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@nyugvo6 EVAs have nothing to do with Nauusica, they're Ultramen in mecha form. I have no idea why you think otherwise. I own the friggin' things in Lego form (including a giant 001 EVA), they have nothing of Miyazaki in it. Otherwise, if I put my Ultraseven/Ultraman Tiga/Ultraman Cosmos in Corona mode/Ultraman Gaia Action Figures next to them you can clearly see what originated what. That said, the thing about Miyazaki critizing animes because they gather to a certain public instead of being "an art form" has already been told by other people (particularly the chara designer of the harem leaning and absolutely not gathering to male otakus series such as Kimagure Orange Road Akemi Takada) and it is plain ridicolous coming from the guy who has a merchandise empire comparable to the one of George Lucas and whose products have always been cutesy because they tried to gather to a certain public from the very beginning, the children. Which is the reason why, the two exceptions I pointed out permitted, I've never liked the guy. Too purposedly childish for my tastes, and not even in a remotely good/enjoyable way like the episode of Bycrosser about the child having problems about pissing in the bed.
| @ProudElitist I don't like miyazaki or ghibli either, at all. I'm also aware that the original eva series including the eva units were inspired by ultraman. they have the orb where the limiter is on ultraman, they are flesh and blood underneath, there is a time limit AND they planned to make the units the same height as the 1st ultra, but the eva sizes fluctuate in the show. the christian imagery was also borrowed from ultra. the fake trailer at the end of rebuild 2 featuring "giants of light" and ultraman symbols. it goes on. anno straight up recreated some scenes from the show. now tell me why were the proportions of the eva units altered for the rebuild series? |
| 馬鹿げた倫理 全部ガラクタで |
| I am not an expert at anime, so I can't judge whether Miyazaki is an authority or not. In my honest opinion, it does not matter the reputation of a creator. It is the result of his content that matters; nothing else. |
| Here is my Pixiv account of my hentai drawings..... https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/104739065 Here is my blog.... https://theendofindustrialcivilization.blogspot.com/?m=1 |
| Because he's one of the most popular anime creators of all time, behind many movies that are famous worldwide. Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke, Howl's Moving Castle, Ponyo, his recent movie The Boy And The Heron recently won an Oscar for best animated movie. It's why people treat Akira Toriyama as a father of animanga. |
| If I had to choose between One Piece and a girlfriend...I think I'll go with One Piece |
Reply to nyugvo6
@ProudElitist I don't like miyazaki or ghibli either, at all. I'm also aware that the original eva series including the eva units were inspired by ultraman. they have the orb where the limiter is on ultraman, they are flesh and blood underneath, there is a time limit AND they planned to make the units the same height as the 1st ultra, but the eva sizes fluctuate in the show. the christian imagery was also borrowed from ultra. the fake trailer at the end of rebuild 2 featuring "giants of light" and ultraman symbols. it goes on. anno straight up recreated some scenes from the show.
now tell me why were the proportions of the eva units altered for the rebuild series?
now tell me why were the proportions of the eva units altered for the rebuild series?
| @nyugvo6 strange because they don't seem that different from the series versions. The ones I own are from the Rebuilds (which I've never watched and I don't intend to do, never) simply because they were the only ones available when I bought them, they're almost the same of the originals. |
thewiru said: Which is false and is just him repeating Miyazaki's doomerism. False? Why is it false? You don't say why it's false, you just proclaim it as false. You're not presenting an idea, you're not engaging in any sort of discussion: "I say, this is false", and that's where you end it. Please, tell us why this is false. Tell us why Gatcha games, despite being made outside of Japan, employ anime aesthetics - and not any aesthetics, mind you, they don't employ the same visual language of Studio Gainax, Yuasa, Miyazaki, Oshii, Satoshi Kon, oldschool anime, 1990's, 2000, 1980's and so on. thewiru said: See? You're doing the exact thing I described So what part of what Miyazaki says you don't disagree with? 1) Do you think that the objectification of children in anime doesn't exist and that lolicon media isn't part of anime culture that became to get more and more mainstream with the start of the new century? 2) Do you just think that lolicon media doesn't exist? Media that is made for people who want to see cute children for the cuteness? 3) Are you going to say that certain shows like Is the order a rabbit aren't made specifically for the kind of people who want to see lolies instead of saying something to a wider audience? I had thought that your point of contention was the use of the word "Otaku" since it has a different connotation in today's word, but if you yourself don't think that there was (and still is) a growing market in the anime genre specifically made for people who only engage with anime as a form of escapism and a power fantasy, I dunno, I think you're just... blind? Insincere? thewiru said: BZZTTTT, WROOOOONG! Watch this video, he explain how this exact quote is mischaracterized "You are wrong" *procedes to post a 4 hour reaction video* My guy, what's hurting your fingers so much to not be able to actually type yourself the reason why? I'm spending my time here actually typing, letter by letter, a reply to whatever point you raise. If you truly wish to have a discussion, can you at least have the decency of constructing an argument yourself? thewiru said: Therefore his criticizing something that doesn't exist. Why? Because you say so yourself? Should I make a thread on "...why is @thewiru treated like anime authority?" thewiru said: I'm sorry, it was such an unfunny and out of place joke, I thought you were actually trying to say something.It was a joke, I was joking about the fact that games by Activision-Blizzard are so bad that they cause you physical and emotional distress and make you not want to buy them. thewiru said: The fact that you so wrong here makes me not want to leave anything you say seriously. Playground arguments. You can't actually provide a counterargument, so you just say "You're wrong" so you get to feel good at the end of the day. Pity. thewiru said: The fact that you so wrong here makes me not want to leave anything you say seriously. I've linked the video, there are fake quotes there. Okay, please provide proof of your own. You posted a 4 hours video; I had the decency of actually linking all the quotes. They're not fake, I litterally gave you the source. You're just being the master of the parade right now. thewiru said: the video isn't about otaku, it's just about one of the three pillars that form what being an otaku is One of the three pillars? Is this a dogma? Church of the anime? The holy Rei, the saint seasonal isekai, and the 30$ spent on pulling for a titillating anime girl? I'm explaining to you that Otaku has a different connotation in 1990's, early 2000 Japan compared to what it does today in globalized culture. How is that an appeal to purity? Anyway, let me add more animals to this parade, because you deserve them. ~ ~ ~ 🎷🐅 🎷🐘 🎷🐘 🎷🐅 🎷🐘 🎷🐘 🎷🐅 🎷🐘 🎷🐘 🎷🐅~ ~ ~ There you go, tiger. |
🙌 All praise the Holy Rei, Mother of Moe, Goddess of Anime. Blessed be her Name, for we all bask in her Sacred Light. 🙌 |
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🙌 All praise the Holy Rei, Mother of Moe, Goddess of Anime. Blessed be her Name, for we all bask in her Sacred Light. 🙌
| @Deathko I was thinking of purchasing a Daki of her because someone in the comments of other treads mentioned it (in insulting terms, but they mentioned it nonetheless), but even with all the merchandise of her I have bought (I have her on my wallet, for christ's sake) I still don't find her that 100% attractive for buying her Daki for now. Maybe in the future, but not now. There are more urgent characters I wish I had a daki than her (my wife Haruka Ten'ou/Sailor Uranus, for example) |
ProudElitistJun 19, 1:31 PM
| You are trolling right? Because he is one of the good sense animation directors alive, and a good mangaka. Technically, a lot of people that worked under him went to the industry, so you can't separate him, even if his work ethics and current industry techniques are moving in different branches. I like how he picked the right things from Moebius art too. That later influences a lot of good anime works too. Last, and actually the worst, his panty shot of Kiki and other stuff, adds him in the lolicon pantheon. Would you consider Date Hayato an authority? https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/shows/2099019/ |
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Reply to DropOfLove
thewiru said:
Which is false and is just him repeating Miyazaki's doomerism.
Which is false and is just him repeating Miyazaki's doomerism.
False? Why is it false? You don't say why it's false, you just proclaim it as false.
You're not presenting an idea, you're not engaging in any sort of discussion:
"I say, this is false", and that's where you end it. Please, tell us why this is false.
Tell us why Gatcha games, despite being made outside of Japan, employ anime aesthetics - and not any aesthetics, mind you, they don't employ the same visual language of Studio Gainax, Yuasa, Miyazaki, Oshii, Satoshi Kon, oldschool anime, 1990's, 2000, 1980's and so on.
thewiru said:
See? You're doing the exact thing I described
See? You're doing the exact thing I described
So what part of what Miyazaki says you don't disagree with?
1) Do you think that the objectification of children in anime doesn't exist and that lolicon media isn't part of anime culture that became to get more and more mainstream with the start of the new century?
2) Do you just think that lolicon media doesn't exist? Media that is made for people who want to see cute children for the cuteness?
3) Are you going to say that certain shows like Is the order a rabbit aren't made specifically for the kind of people who want to see lolies instead of saying something to a wider audience?
I had thought that your point of contention was the use of the word "Otaku" since it has a different connotation in today's word, but if you yourself don't think that there was (and still is) a growing market in the anime genre specifically made for people who only engage with anime as a form of escapism and a power fantasy, I dunno, I think you're just... blind? Insincere?
thewiru said:
BZZTTTT, WROOOOONG!
Watch this video, he explain how this exact quote is mischaracterized
BZZTTTT, WROOOOONG!
Watch this video, he explain how this exact quote is mischaracterized
"You are wrong"
*procedes to post a 4 hour reaction video*
My guy, what's hurting your fingers so much to not be able to actually type yourself the reason why?
I'm spending my time here actually typing, letter by letter, a reply to whatever point you raise.
If you truly wish to have a discussion, can you at least have the decency of constructing an argument yourself?
thewiru said:
Therefore his criticizing something that doesn't exist.
Therefore his criticizing something that doesn't exist.
Why? Because you say so yourself?
Should I make a thread on "...why is @thewiru treated like anime authority?"
thewiru said:
It was a joke, I was joking about the fact that games by Activision-Blizzard are so bad that they cause you physical and emotional distress and make you not want to buy them.
I'm sorry, it was such an unfunny and out of place joke, I thought you were actually trying to say something.It was a joke, I was joking about the fact that games by Activision-Blizzard are so bad that they cause you physical and emotional distress and make you not want to buy them.
thewiru said:
The fact that you so wrong here makes me not want to leave anything you say seriously.
The fact that you so wrong here makes me not want to leave anything you say seriously.
Playground arguments. You can't actually provide a counterargument, so you just say "You're wrong" so you get to feel good at the end of the day. Pity.
thewiru said:
The fact that you so wrong here makes me not want to leave anything you say seriously.
I've linked the video, there are fake quotes there.
The fact that you so wrong here makes me not want to leave anything you say seriously.
I've linked the video, there are fake quotes there.
Okay, please provide proof of your own. You posted a 4 hours video; I had the decency of actually linking all the quotes. They're not fake, I litterally gave you the source. You're just being the master of the parade right now.
thewiru said:
the video isn't about otaku, it's just about one of the three pillars that form what being an otaku is
the video isn't about otaku, it's just about one of the three pillars that form what being an otaku is
One of the three pillars? Is this a dogma? Church of the anime? The holy Rei, the saint seasonal isekai, and the 30$ spent on pulling for a titillating anime girl?
I'm explaining to you that Otaku has a different connotation in 1990's, early 2000 Japan compared to what it does today in globalized culture. How is that an appeal to purity?
Anyway, let me add more animals to this parade, because you deserve them.
~ ~ ~ 🎷🐅 🎷🐘 🎷🐘 🎷🐅 🎷🐘 🎷🐘 🎷🐅 🎷🐘 🎷🐘 🎷🐅~ ~ ~
There you go, tiger.
DropOfLove said: False? Why is it false? You don't say why it's false, you just proclaim it as false. You're not presenting an idea, you're not engaging in any sort of discussion: "I say, this is false", and that's where you end it. Please, tell us why this is false. Because not only it is a false-dichotomy to begin with, as if "emotional and vulnerable stories" are mutually exclusive with "escapist fantasies and fanservice", there's also the fact that anime, since the days of Tezuka, was always a commercial thing to begin with. He seems to invert the logic: He never proves such "degeneration" in anime, but rather starts from the conclusion of "Well, commercialization tends to lead to those things, so it must have happened here, right?" DropOfLove said: Tell us why Gatcha games, despite being made outside of Japan, employ anime aesthetics Genshin does because MiHoYo was formed by otaku and for otaku, it just so happened that it killed two birds with one stone here, since at the same time there was being a wave of other Korean and Chinese gacha which employ such aesthetics because: 1: Styles usually used in chinese and korean media never achieved the same level of success or recognizability. 2: This would allow them to not only sell to their own people the product they were previously buying from the Japanese, but also sell the Japanese themselves that Not sure why you're bringing that up, since it isn't the part I disagree with? DropOfLove said: objectification Buzzword, means absolutely nothing. DropOfLove said: lolicon media isn't part of anime culture that became to get more and more mainstream with the start of the new century? This is correct That's not the point DropOfLove said: 2) Do you just think that lolicon media doesn't exist? Media that is made for people who want to see cute children for the cuteness? It does and it is Not the point either DropOfLove said: 3) Are you going to say that certain shows like Is the order a rabbit aren't made specifically for the kind of people who want to see lolies instead of saying something to a wider audience? Are you gonna stop attacking a strawman of what you think I'm saying instead of watching the video I've posted? My point is that the quote in specific was taken out of context so Moon could imply things that were not the point of that quote. You would've known that. IF YOU HAD WATCHED THE VIDEO This whole thread is about a 2 hour video to begin with, why is THIS the line you draw? DropOfLove said: My guy, what's hurting your fingers so much to not be able to actually type yourself the reason why? I'm spending my time here actually typing, letter by letter, a reply to whatever point you raise. If you truly wish to have a discussion, can you at least have the decency of constructing an argument yourself? Okay, okay, mama bird will chew the worms for you and spoonfeed them, happy? https://www.youtube.com/live/w33PBHtoinQ?si=ZSCrPIQkINSbBLR1&t=7583 Here's the timestamp, it's only ten minutes now. Watch it in 2x and it becomes five. DropOfLove said: Why? Because you say so yourself? Because he provides zero examples of something that's "just sold as a product" as opposed to having any artistic qualities or merits. DropOfLove said: I'm sorry, it was such an unfunny and out of place joke, I thought you were actually trying to say something. "...why is DropOfLove treated like a comedy authority?" DropOfLove said: Playground arguments. You can't actually provide a counterargument, so you just say "You're wrong" so you get to feel good at the end of the day. Pity. I literally posted a source that proves that those are wrong DropOfLove said: Okay, please provide proof of your own. You posted a 4 hours video That IS the proof of my own, dingus. DropOfLove said: One of the three pillars? Is this a dogma? Church of the anime? The holy Rei, the saint seasonal isekai, and the 30$ spent on pulling for a titillating anime girl? Once again: You would've know if you had watched the video. It's the point about the otaku community and the three C's: Creativity, community and collecting. DropOfLove said: I'm explaining to you that Otaku has a different connotation in 1990's, early 2000 Japan compared to what it does today in globalized culture. How is that an appeal to purity? I'm talking about the same definition of otaku. Or at the very least, the criticisms would apply to both definitions. |
Reply to Sasori56483
You are trolling right?
Because he is one of the good sense animation directors alive, and a good mangaka. Technically, a lot of people that worked under him went to the industry, so you can't separate him, even if his work ethics and current industry techniques are moving in different branches. I like how he picked the right things from Moebius art too. That later influences a lot of good anime works too.
Last, and actually the worst, his panty shot of Kiki and other stuff, adds him in the lolicon pantheon.
Would you consider Date Hayato an authority? https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/shows/2099019/
Because he is one of the good sense animation directors alive, and a good mangaka. Technically, a lot of people that worked under him went to the industry, so you can't separate him, even if his work ethics and current industry techniques are moving in different branches. I like how he picked the right things from Moebius art too. That later influences a lot of good anime works too.
Last, and actually the worst, his panty shot of Kiki and other stuff, adds him in the lolicon pantheon.
Would you consider Date Hayato an authority? https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/shows/2099019/
Sasori56483 said: Date Hayato Never heard of them. .................... |
Reply to sadakiyoshi
@ItachiDeltaForce i agree with the satoshi kon thing. finally someone said it.
| @sadakiyoshi Satoshi Kon is an embarrassment to the industry. |
| その目だれの目？ |
| get @zoomerReviewer in here to shit up this thread and start fights. Your conversations are fucking boring. |
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| because we need to hide behind someone else's trash takes. |
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| Ghibli has had a profound impact on animation worldwide, and certainly Japan too, knowing it is well-respected and that many in the industry grew up on the films. His ability as a director and animator should make him an important voice, but sure, there are people who have most experience "in the industry". Miyazaki is an authority, but not the only one. |
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| Whether people like the guy or not, some of the Anime movies the dude worked on basically helped shaped the West get interested in Japanese Anime as a medium beyond just being seen as foreign cartoons for kids. Two extremely notable examples would be "Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind", and "Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro" in the early 80s. It's very likely if these films would have never made it in theaters in the West in the early 1980s and had their success, chances are films like "Akira" to "Project A-ko" would have never had Western interest in the 80s for distribution either. Streamline Pictures use to be one of the only major western distributors for Japanese Anime beyond just entertainment being distributed just for children such as what Harmony Gold tried to be prior. Without such success with early titles aimed beyond just for children being distributed for Western distribution for the 1st time, U.S. Renditions, AnimEigo, ADV Films, Manga Entertainment, and even Central Park Media would have likely never been inspired to get involved in mass western distribution either. There is a high chance Japanese Anime would have broadly never been massively distributed over seas the way it was in the 80s and 90s without the existence of such titles like "Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind" and "Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro". Where indirectly, chances are high, even people who do not like Miyazaki, would have never been initially exposed to Japanese Anime in their life in the 1st place in the West if such western distributing companies never even existed before either. |
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@ItachiDeltaForce always a person with itachi pfp with retarded opinions
| @based_anime_fan always a retard with an empty troll account |
ItachiDeltaForceJun 20, 12:00 AM
| For the same reason Gordon Ramsay's seen as an authority on food and Martin Scorsese's seen as an authority on cinema. He's a master who's been dedicated to his craft for literal decades. |
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Reply to Lucifrost
@sadakiyoshi
Satoshi Kon is an embarrassment to the industry.
Satoshi Kon is an embarrassment to the industry.
@Lucifrost       right, an embarrassment. inception totally didn't copy the entirety of the paprika movie. perfect blue inspired movies like black swan and requiem for a dream. |
| Why is Jesus a Top Tier religious figure, guys? I mean...what did he do for Relegion? o.O |
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| Because he made anime that people consider great classics. |
| So what kind of anime is Miyazaki an authority of? Please tell. |
| Here is my Pixiv account of my hentai drawings..... https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/104739065 Here is my blog.... https://theendofindustrialcivilization.blogspot.com/?m=1 |
| Miyazaki is very overrated. Old man makes boring cartoons for children and talks something about real anime. What he does does not look like anime at all, its looks like Disney. |
Reply to x_scolopendra_x
Miyazaki is very overrated. Old man makes boring cartoons for children and talks something about real anime.
What he does does not look like anime at all, its looks like Disney.
What he does does not look like anime at all, its looks like Disney.
| @x_scolopendra_x how is anime any different from Disney, please explain? |
| Here is my Pixiv account of my hentai drawings..... https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/104739065 Here is my blog.... https://theendofindustrialcivilization.blogspot.com/?m=1 |
Reply to DesuMaiden
@x_scolopendra_x how is anime any different from Disney, please explain?
| @DesuMaiden Like, do i really need to explain this? You can just turn on Disney cartoon and anime and compare. They are completely different things. Anime is a completely different kind of animation that looks and feels different. First of all anime has different drawing style. Disney makes animation for children, a lot of anime is for adults. Anime has its own unique features: character archetypes, plot cliches, variety of genres and of course a big influence of japanese culture and lifestyle... No, really, is this a serious question or trolling? |
| Guys, Guys..... Who the hell is LeBron James? What did he ever do for Basketball? 🤭 |
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| For the same reason Walt Disney is the Father of the animation industry, Because without him, what you consider anime today would likely not exist. |
Reply to Merve2Love
Why is Jesus a Top Tier religious figure, guys?
I mean...what did he do for Relegion? o.O
I mean...what did he do for Relegion? o.O
| @Merve2Love Actually he tried to warn us against it. But did anyone listen??? |
Reply to sadakiyoshi
@Lucifrost
right, an embarrassment. inception totally didn't copy the entirety of the paprika movie. perfect blue inspired movies like black swan and requiem for a dream.
right, an embarrassment. inception totally didn't copy the entirety of the paprika movie. perfect blue inspired movies like black swan and requiem for a dream.
| @sadakiyoshi Nobody cares about those movies that copied Kon. |
| その目だれの目？ |
| I think Miyazaki is an authority on anime, without a doubt. And what exactly does that accomplish? Anime is nothing godly nor virtuous. Anime is nothing to be proud of. Anime is Satanic/evil stuff lol. That much is obvious. |
| Here is my Pixiv account of my hentai drawings..... https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/104739065 Here is my blog.... https://theendofindustrialcivilization.blogspot.com/?m=1 |
| Nobody wants to be involved in anime. Anime is very lousy stuff. Anime is the lowest of the low. That much is obvious. |
| Here is my Pixiv account of my hentai drawings..... https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/104739065 Here is my blog.... https://theendofindustrialcivilization.blogspot.com/?m=1 |
Reply to joemaamah
For the same reason Walt Disney is the Father of the animation industry, Because without him, what you consider anime today would likely not exist.
joemaamah said: For the same reason Walt Disney is the Father of the animation industry ...getting credited for work that other people did? |
| Can I ask a question? About 2Pac and Biggie.... Why the fk are they considered legends in rap history? o.O What have they ever done? 🤭 |
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Reply to thewiru
joemaamah said:
For the same reason Walt Disney is the Father of the animation industry
For the same reason Walt Disney is the Father of the animation industry
...getting credited for work that other people did?
| @thewiru For being the creative genius that directed others to create works that are timeless. And went on to inspire others to create even greater works. Try not to be obtuse, eh? |
Reply to thewiru
joemaamah said:
For the same reason Walt Disney is the Father of the animation industry
For the same reason Walt Disney is the Father of the animation industry
...getting credited for work that other people did?
| @thewiru Which works are you suggesting Disney is unfairly credited for? |
| その目だれの目？ |
Reply to Lucifrost
@thewiru
Which works are you suggesting Disney is unfairly credited for?
Which works are you suggesting Disney is unfairly credited for?
| @Lucifrost I don't actually recall, but I remember reading this claim multiple times. IIRC, he wasn't even the creator of Mickey Mouse. |
| Why does anyone believe that he isn’t? Weird thing to be in denial about given how clear his position is. |
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Why does anyone believe that he isn’t? Weird thing to be in denial about given how clear his position is.
| @cyandaqil A good chunk of the western fandom has a massive hateboner against him because they feel Miyazaki would judge them for their loli dakimakuras and shit favorites. |
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