| Well that was a major surprise. I guess subbed is for the more hard-core older fans while dub usually draws in the newbies. Most anime fans are likely casuals so that is my guess. What do you think? |
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| Why would that be a surprise? It's Crunchyroll after all. |
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| Nah don't care I don't have crunchyroll and let the elitist have a Twitter party war for this The war strikes again. |
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| This is not all that surprising to be honest. Dubbed is significantly easier for a majority of people to watch. The internet is not really all that representative of the wider public when it comes to things like this, sub-only fans are a vocal minority. |
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| Perhaps they do if we're speaking exclusively in the context of what Crunchyroll subscribers gravitate towards. But I'm fairly certain that the userbase of the most popular anime piracy sites (including both streaming sites and torrent search engines) generally prefers subs, and their aggregate number of monthly visitors comfortably exceeds that of official platforms like Disney+ and Crunchyroll as well. |
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| I agree, most casuals (= less than 10 anime watched per year) prefer dubs. |
| Good post It does make sense, I am just so used to watching subs even I can nearly forget it still counts at reading nearly every minute |
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| Because english speaking countries are used that everything is in english (hollywood movies etc.) and thats so many ppl in the world. Of course they won't watch anime in original language while other countries know that not everything is dubbed to their language so they prefer origin language because it has its authenticity and not dub without life in words (or in modern version like if it was talked by AI)... I have heard some english dubbed animes and I felt like I'm watching ppl talking peacefully while drinking tea in restaurant even in gore action scenes where ppl were dying :/ |
hiraishinxMay 4, 9:37 AM
rohan121 said: I guess subbed is for the more hard-core older fans while dub usually draws in the newbies. Most anime fans are likely casuals so that is my guess. Thiss here has always been the case. |
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| It isn't that surprising. English is a more widely spoken language than Japanese and it's really likely more people than you'd think have issues splitting their attention between subtitles and what's actually happening on screen. I'm shocked I can even do it. This isn't even unique to anime. I don't know for a fact, but I'm willing to bet most people who watch something like Squid Game probably watch it dubbed as well. Also, I'm guessing by that statement you're saying any older fan who mostly or exclusively watches dubs isn't "hardcore" because they've spent all those years watching the wrong way. |
FanofActionMay 4, 9:48 AM
| And The Beginning After the End is in the top 5 most popular shows on there lol |
| I never thought that dubs could be somehow more popular than subs, but I guess it makes sense. Still a lot of people don't like watching subbed movies [like in cinema for example], for reasons like not being able to split the attention between subs and the screen - so it makes sense. [I can't wrap my head around it] - I heard the compliant mostly from casual viewers tho. At least countries with barely any dubs watch mostly subs. [like Poland] |
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| There's always a massive gulf and divide between people with actual refined and discerning taste, and the feckless, aimless masses who'd line up like pigs at a trough for whatever slop comes down the chute. In every country in every era. That's not an anime thing. |
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And The Beginning After the End is in the top 5 most popular shows on there lol
| @Neterosan That is extremely popular in japan too. |
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| Yeah, vast majority of people who watch sub don't use CR. It's the classic fallacy of "we pooled our lunchroom and pretend as if it's whole country consensus." Shocker. |
PiromyslMay 4, 10:16 AM
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| I'm under the impression that piracy websites get way more traffic than crunchyroll. So this isn't very surprising. And as a lot of people have mentioned, a majority of crunchyroll is casual watchers. Nothing wrong with that. Pretty sure anime fans/enjoyers/whatever with 300+ titles watched are a minority, even more so once you get to the 500+ mark. |
| Crunchyroll is not to be trusted. They hate anime, and that's why they make inaccurate subtitles and dubs and censor stuff like crazy. |
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It isn't that surprising. English is a more widely spoken language than Japanese and it's really likely more people than you'd think have issues splitting their attention between subtitles and what's actually happening on screen. I'm shocked I can even do it. This isn't even unique to anime. I don't know for a fact, but I'm willing to bet most people who watch something like Squid Game probably watch it dubbed as well.
Also, I'm guessing by that statement you're saying any older fan who mostly or exclusively watches dubs isn't "hardcore" because they've spent all those years watching the wrong way.
Also, I'm guessing by that statement you're saying any older fan who mostly or exclusively watches dubs isn't "hardcore" because they've spent all those years watching the wrong way.
FanofAction said: Also, I'm guessing by that statement you're saying any older fan who mostly or exclusively watches dubs isn't "hardcore" because they've spent all those years watching the wrong way. It only means dub watchers are less likely to be hardcore. Given the vast amounts of anime that have never been dubbed, I can't say I disagree. |
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myanimelist is mostly elitist fans anyway like globally we know dragon ball is the most popular anime but here on mal it barely is top 100? last time i check
so im not surprise by this news that dubs are more popular
so im not surprise by this news that dubs are more popular
| @deg /me looks at MAL top 10 anime list. 9 of 10 are shounen. Smiles in teenager taste. |
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rohan121 said: Crunchyroll ceo reveals globally countries prefer dubbed to subbed anime!? Such a thing is not really that surprising. Just going by MAL statistics alone, anytime an Anime gets dubbed in English it becomes twice as popular. One can look over any two random seasonal throw-aways that are similar to each other from a year ago, one that is only offered dubbed in Nihongo and the other also offered in English, and see over time twice as many Users end up following the one series if it's also offered in English. Then when you take in consideration that other countries have their own dubbing studios, Anime also sometimes gets dubbed in Spanish, French, German, Italian, Hindi, etc... I would imagine such an Anime series would only increase in popularity globally. Back before the turn of the century, most Anime that was actually officially released in North America would practically only get released if it got Dubbed in English in the 1st place. Specifically when it came to national broadcasting. I could only really think of a hand full of titles off the top of my head that I can remember Officially released in North that initially never got dubbed in English back then and if it was only offered in Nihongo it would go straight to a VHS home release in North America. |
ColourWheelMay 4, 10:49 AM
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| I actually agree with Chibi here...the sad fact is, that people don't like to read. No matter the argumentation - anti-elitsim, anti-gatekeeping, better immersion, watching anime on the second monitor while doing something else (the biggest proof one is not actually interested in anime) or whatever, the real reason is that they hate reading. |
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There's always a massive gulf and divide between people with actual refined and discerning taste, and the feckless, aimless masses who'd line up like pigs at a trough for whatever slop comes down the chute. In every country in every era.
That's not an anime thing.
That's not an anime thing.
| @WatchTillTandava There is not a hint, not a single SHRED of elitism in this statement whatsoever. |
alshu said: I actually agree with Chibi here...the sad fact is, that people don't like to read. lol Japanese Anime was never meant to be media entertainment requiring viewers to read just to understand what the characters are saying. Japanese Anime was never meant to have subtitles in any language at all to begin with. The only reason why people create subtitles for Japanese Anime is simply for those who don't understand Nihongo. lol If I want to spend time reading shit, I don't typically turn to Japanese Anime. I would rather read an actual novel or book in a quiet place in my house. I would rather just enjoy watching Anime without subtitles either it be in Nihongo, because I can understand the language fluently, or even dubbed in English playing on the wall mounted screens surrounding my pool table in my mancave while I shoot a few games of pool and drink beer with friends who do not understand Nihongo. lol This reminds me of a random friends acquaintance I met back in the early 2000s who was a huge Anime Otaku. One of his dreams was to eventually one day move to Japan because he thought there he would be able to consume Japanese Anime all the time airing on TV. I heard a year later after I met the guy that he did eventually move to Japan. Though the funny thing about this is he didn't really think things through much. The guy barely understood even some basic greetings in the native language and didn't think Japanese TV and even their physical media releases tend to lack English subtitles. lol Where when he really wanted to watch some new Japanese Anime series released there, he actually had to wait to import a Western domestic release of an Anime title just so he would be able to understand what the heck the characters would even be saying. lol I heard the guy lived in Japan for two years before he got sick of the place and then moved back in with his parents in North America. Apparently his understanding of Nihongo barely even improved either. lol Where basically this guys experience living in Japan for two years, he actually barely even consumed any Japanese Anime there. lol |
ColourWheelMay 4, 12:16 PM
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| This is so biased toward CR audiences. "People don't like to read." That's exactly why I started learning Japanese. Same motive, different acts. You can't save people from being lazy. Well, to be fair, there are other underlying motives which explain the rift, but I'm not going to detail that without hearing from actual CR people. |
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This is not all that surprising to be honest. Dubbed is significantly easier for a majority of people to watch. The internet is not really all that representative of the wider public when it comes to things like this, sub-only fans are a vocal minority.
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@LSSJ_Gaming Hey LSSJ just letting you know your Sonic image in your signature doesn't show the H. Is MAL the prob or something?
| @TheDoodle That is probably the signature height limit taking effect. |
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ColourWheel said: Japanese Anime was never meant to be media entertainment requiring viewers to read just to understand what the characters are saying. This is a non-argument. 1. I try to watch every media with the voices of its original cast. Like I watch To Be A Hero X with its chinese dub. And you bet am watching right now Star Wars Tales Of The Underworld with its english dub. 2. English is foreign language to me, anyway. None secondary dub is automatically superior to me. ColourWheel said: The only reason why people create subtitles for Japanese Anime is simply for those who don't understand Nihongo. Thank you Captain Obvious! How that makes some secondary dub, which inevitably changes some of the nuances my preferred choice? ColourWheel said: One of his dreams was to eventually one day move to Japan because he thought there he would be able to consume Japanese Anime all the time airing on TV. I heard a year later after I met the guy that he did eventually move to Japan. Though the funny thing about this is he didn't really think things through much. The guy barely understood even some basic greetings in the native language and didn't think Japanese TV and even their physical media releases tend to lack English subtitles. How is this related to the topic tho, weebs are dumb or something? ColourWheel said: I heard the guy lived in Japan for two years before he got sick of the place and then moved back in with his parents in North America. Like obviously, aside of tourists, foreigners living in Japan should do it because of their careerer choices (like Chris from Abroad In Japan and Pete from Premiere Two), not because of some weird dream. |
| The only anime i watch in dub are shonen such as fairytail, Naruto, Bleach, Dragon ball. Though there are still some shonen i watch sub like Onepiece as i dislike the dub. Other than that everything is sub. |
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@WatchTillTandava There is not a hint, not a single SHRED of elitism in this statement whatsoever.
| @SuperAdventure Elitism is one of the best common words that can be used to sum up the behaviors of some anime fans lol |
alshu said: Like I watch To Be A Hero X with its chinese dub. Good for you! lol Though that's not even Japanese Anime that's some Donghua crap. lol alshu said: Thank you Captain Obvious! alshu said: foreigners living in Japan should do it because of their careerer choices The guy being a foreigner wouldn't have been able to stay in the country for two years if they didn't have work lined up for them in the 1st place. I think that would have been a given, "Captain Obvious!". lol Likely the fool would have left the country sooner if they could easily get out of whatever work they ended up signing up for just to simply to live in japan thinking they were finally in their "promise land" and could consume Japanese Anime all the time on TV there. lol alshu said: How that makes some secondary dub, which inevitably changes some of the nuances my preferred choice? You seem to be under the impression that subtitles made for Japanese Anime just never 'inevitably changes some of the nuances" either? lol If one is going to be taking the time to consume any media entertainment, one might as well save the strain on their eyes of needing to constantly keep focused on text simply to understand what the hell characters are saying in the 1st place. Japanese Anime is not "Fine literature", there is no reason for anyone needing to have to deal with subtitles in any media entertainment if they are offered in a language they can understand if that is their choice. Where Pseudo-purists are nothing more than masochists pretending their pretentious consuming habits some how make them a superior viewer, specifically if they need subtitles to even understand what the hell anyone is even saying to begin with. Where it could even be possible that transcribers sometimes simply just "Punk" Western viewers by altering dialogue lines in their subtitles and the viewer wouldn't know otherwise unless someone pointed it out to them. Where the only time anyone ever complains about the "accuracy" of any subtitles is specifically when someone points out the inaccuracy to them to begin with. Because they don't understand or even have a clue what they are even listening to begin with, without subtitles. lol |
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FanofAction said:
Also, I'm guessing by that statement you're saying any older fan who mostly or exclusively watches dubs isn't "hardcore" because they've spent all those years watching the wrong way.
Also, I'm guessing by that statement you're saying any older fan who mostly or exclusively watches dubs isn't "hardcore" because they've spent all those years watching the wrong way.
It only means dub watchers are less likely to be hardcore. Given the vast amounts of anime that have never been dubbed, I can't say I disagree.
| @Lucifrost "Hardcore" is relative. Some might argue that the number of years you've stuck with anime matters more than whether you watch subs or dubs. |
| I always thought dubs were behind subs so that is also a surprise for me. |
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@LSSJ_Gaming Hey LSSJ just letting you know your Sonic image in your signature doesn't show the H. Is MAL the prob or something?
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@Lucifrost "Hardcore" is relative. Some might argue that the number of years you've stuck with anime matters more than whether you watch subs or dubs.
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@SuperAdventure Elitism is one of the best common words that can be used to sum up the behaviors of some anime fans lol
| @Tyrecty I don't understand, why is it bad being part of the elite? |
| I'll be honest with you: Svb Pvrists can give you a whole range of reason of why they are that way. However, to this day the only argument in favor of dubs I've ever seem was "I don't like to read", and it mostly comes from Americans. I'm from another country, so here watching movies with subtitles is common, so watching anime like that is no different. Like I mentioned in another thread: Remember that when Parasyte won the oscars and people went to watch it, there were a lot of (Honestly kinda racist) comments complaining that it was sub-only. |
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@Tyrecty
I don't understand, why is it bad being part of the elite?
I don't understand, why is it bad being part of the elite?
| @thewiru From one standpoint, there's nothing quite wrong with it. The problem always rises when the elites try to inconvenience others with their attitudes of "superiority". In fact, had the elites been the kind of people that are not disdainful and/or dismissive of others, this "elite" term would not have been a thing in the anime community at all. |
| Okay? Most people on the planet are literally retarded, this is not news to me. |
| German Naruto op was so funny I can see why they would watch dubbed. |
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