| What I am wondering is why Frieren gets all this hype, while Dungen Meshi is ignored. Both of them are fairly similar in how good they are. |
Reply to Memowynekromanta
Well, everyone has own opinion. For me Frieren become the best anime fantasy and the best anime of all time besides monster, after the last episode came out, even though my inner hippie was crying. I don't think Sousou no Frieren is immature, but I can agree with characters. Fern and stark is immature, because they are teenagers, which is pretty obvious. Frieren is more complicated, because she isn't human. She decided to not waste a time, to better know humans. In order to not regret again. She is just starting to learn how act humanish, so she could appear immature or just being immature, toward humans eyes. For me who watched a lot of fantasy and isekai( vast majority of the isekai genre is also fantasy) Frieren was refreshing series, even though Basics of the world presented are clichéd to the point of pain, at least that's I felt this show. I don't think that is required to being original as much as possible in every aspect, to be good show. Of course it is advantage, but there's no good series with well written plot and characters.
Additionally for those who can't rip that other have audacity to have different opinion and they give sign of this. Please STOP Aggravate opinion about Sousou no Frieren fanbase. That's their take and that's it. I don't want to Sousou no Frieren fanbase has reputation "those freaks that bits everyone who dare not wallow in it", like FMAB or something.
Additionally for those who can't rip that other have audacity to have different opinion and they give sign of this. Please STOP Aggravate opinion about Sousou no Frieren fanbase. That's their take and that's it. I don't want to Sousou no Frieren fanbase has reputation "those freaks that bits everyone who dare not wallow in it", like FMAB or something.
| @Memowynekromanta ...Eh... You're describing exactly what the Frieren fandom always seems to be. One of the most arrogant and pretentious I've ever seen in the anime community, completely incapable of accepting that there's anyone in the world who doesn't love this dumb juvenile show to death; much more than any "FMAB fandom" (??? who you clearly don't know anything about, you're just parroting rumors and forced emotions - another odd characteristic of most of Frieren fans). And this thread itself proves it. And in case you didn't know, "Ishinashi" is one of the most well-known bot masters on this site, rating Frieren high while giving FMAB "1/10" on his accounts. But that doesn't interest you at all, right?  |
Chewbaccaccino said: Pretty much the title. I like the music and animation, but that’s kind of it. It feels like the show is aimed towards a younger audience, perhaps one that wants to feel more mature than they are. I’ve seen about 13 or 14 episodes, and while the plot was getting a little more exciting, it kind of just reverted to being about uninteresting things. The characters are rather dull in my opinion, with Frieren being a bit ungrateful or edgy (kind of emo teenager vibe to a degree). Fern is kind of immature as well with her disdain towards Stark. Stark is also uninteresting. So uninteresting in fact I don’t actually have anything to say about him. The power system is not unique, since it deals with a generic concept called “mana” and ends up feeling like a watered down nen. The story is kind of generic too (or at least has generic concepts)- it has the common demon king villain and fantasy setting with magic (specifically wizard/mage type), dragons, demons, etc. The concept of different lifespans is not too special as someone who has seen Maquia. Overall, everything I have seen in this show I feel has been done better by others. I’ll put a list at the end. Checking social media I was weirdly repulsed by someone comparing this to Vagabond and Berserk. I shouldn’t have been because it’s just someone online though:P. People who say you have Shonen brainrot for not liking it or aren’t mature enough are likely projecting and haven’t actually consumed a meaningful book, movie, or show. Series with better execution of the things Frieren is praised for (and regarded as the best anime of all time for) Down to earth meaningful stuff: Vagabond, Real, Red Dead Redemption 2 Slow pacing and/or little action: Real, Vagabond, RDR2, Better Call Saul, Monster, Vinland Saga (post prologue), Steins;Gate, Breaking Bad, Sherlock (BBC), etc. Power system: Jojo’s, HxH, FMA Fantasy setting: Lord of the Rings, any fromsoft title, Zelda I mean if you cant see how Frieren stands out above 90%+ other anime.. if the show itself cant convince you then we sure as hell wont be helping you either. It’s suppose to be easy to see.. if its not your as* out I guess. Vinland Saga is meh AF. I don’t understand why people praise this show so much.. there is so much better written shows out there. |
LordKirkisNov 2, 1:54 PM
Reply to Chewbaccaccino
LordKirkis said:
I mean if you cant see how Frieren stands out above 90%+ other anime.. if the show itself cant convince you then we sure as hell wont be helping you either. It’s suppose to be easy to see.. if its not your as* out I guess.
Vinland Saga is meh AF. I don’t understand why people praise this show so much.. there is so much better written shows out there.
Chewbaccaccino said:
Pretty much the title. I like the music and animation, but that’s kind of it. It feels like the show is aimed towards a younger audience, perhaps one that wants to feel more mature than they are. I’ve seen about 13 or 14 episodes, and while the plot was getting a little more exciting, it kind of just reverted to being about uninteresting things. The characters are rather dull in my opinion, with Frieren being a bit ungrateful or edgy (kind of emo teenager vibe to a degree). Fern is kind of immature as well with her disdain towards Stark. Stark is also uninteresting. So uninteresting in fact I don’t actually have anything to say about him. The power system is not unique, since it deals with a generic concept called “mana” and ends up feeling like a watered down nen. The story is kind of generic too (or at least has generic concepts)- it has the common demon king villain and fantasy setting with magic (specifically wizard/mage type), dragons, demons, etc. The concept of different lifespans is not too special as someone who has seen Maquia. Overall, everything I have seen in this show I feel has been done better by others. I’ll put a list at the end. Checking social media I was weirdly repulsed by someone comparing this to Vagabond and Berserk. I shouldn’t have been because it’s just someone online though:P. People who say you have Shonen brainrot for not liking it or aren’t mature enough are likely projecting and haven’t actually consumed a meaningful book, movie, or show.
Series with better execution of the things Frieren is praised for (and regarded as the best anime of all time for)
Down to earth meaningful stuff: Vagabond, Real, Red Dead Redemption 2
Slow pacing and/or little action: Real, Vagabond, RDR2, Better Call Saul, Monster, Vinland Saga (post prologue), Steins;Gate, Breaking Bad, Sherlock (BBC), etc.
Power system: Jojo’s, HxH, FMA
Fantasy setting: Lord of the Rings, any fromsoft title, Zelda
Pretty much the title. I like the music and animation, but that’s kind of it. It feels like the show is aimed towards a younger audience, perhaps one that wants to feel more mature than they are. I’ve seen about 13 or 14 episodes, and while the plot was getting a little more exciting, it kind of just reverted to being about uninteresting things. The characters are rather dull in my opinion, with Frieren being a bit ungrateful or edgy (kind of emo teenager vibe to a degree). Fern is kind of immature as well with her disdain towards Stark. Stark is also uninteresting. So uninteresting in fact I don’t actually have anything to say about him. The power system is not unique, since it deals with a generic concept called “mana” and ends up feeling like a watered down nen. The story is kind of generic too (or at least has generic concepts)- it has the common demon king villain and fantasy setting with magic (specifically wizard/mage type), dragons, demons, etc. The concept of different lifespans is not too special as someone who has seen Maquia. Overall, everything I have seen in this show I feel has been done better by others. I’ll put a list at the end. Checking social media I was weirdly repulsed by someone comparing this to Vagabond and Berserk. I shouldn’t have been because it’s just someone online though:P. People who say you have Shonen brainrot for not liking it or aren’t mature enough are likely projecting and haven’t actually consumed a meaningful book, movie, or show.
Series with better execution of the things Frieren is praised for (and regarded as the best anime of all time for)
Down to earth meaningful stuff: Vagabond, Real, Red Dead Redemption 2
Slow pacing and/or little action: Real, Vagabond, RDR2, Better Call Saul, Monster, Vinland Saga (post prologue), Steins;Gate, Breaking Bad, Sherlock (BBC), etc.
Power system: Jojo’s, HxH, FMA
Fantasy setting: Lord of the Rings, any fromsoft title, Zelda
I mean if you cant see how Frieren stands out above 90%+ other anime.. if the show itself cant convince you then we sure as hell wont be helping you either. It’s suppose to be easy to see.. if its not your as* out I guess.
Vinland Saga is meh AF. I don’t understand why people praise this show so much.. there is so much better written shows out there.
I get it but I do think it’s better than Frieren (all though it’s not very similar). The farm arc is good but I do think the pacifist philosophies are portrayed less effectively (and cornier) than something like Vagabond.
| @Chewbaccaccino I can see someone saying Vinland Saga being better than Frieren if its exactly the show the person is looking to watch, but like on quality of metrics.. I believe its pretty easy to say Frieren edges it out in many of the parts that make up an anime production. Let me ask you this... which Zelda do you believe is the best written and with the best OST? Btw my favorite is Ocarina of Time and A Link to the Past. |
LordKirkisNov 2, 2:09 PM
| I ain’t even read this but dude compared the Zelda games to an anime ‼️ |
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| honestly I don't wholly disagree. I think the replies here are getting a little too mad over this. I agree on a couple points; Stark is very forgettable, could have taken him out of the show and we'd be fine. The world building is in fact generic and so is the magic system. I would not look to Frieren for anything groundbreaking in terms of world building. I would instead look at Frieren for addressing relationships and their affects on people, no matter how small they may seem. That concept alone is what drives the entire plot of the show and why people resonate with it so much. It's not trying to be anything other than a fantasy story that focuses on the characters instead of the world. Since most other fantasy titles, even LOTR, do more focusing on big picture than small. I do disagree about Frieren as a character. And Fern is a teenager, so I'm not sure if you've ever met a teenager, but they are not exactly rational or mature. I also think Frieren is paced very well, and knows how to manage flashbacks properly which adds a lot to the experience. There's nothing wrong with disliking the show or thinking it's overhyped. you have the right to that opinion and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Just don't tell people they are stupid for liking it (not that you did, but that's where I draw the line in terms of criticism). have a good day |
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| Watch more anime then form an opinion. |
| The hype is already done. It's already been decided that this is good. You don't matter. Im sorry. |
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Reply to IhnalakoKaina
DigiCat said:
@IhnalakoKaina
So because someone enjoyed a show you don't particularly like (Tomo-chan) more than one you love (Frieren) they can't possibly be saying that in good faith? They can't possibly simply have different taste from yours?
What a great display of maturuty
(And before you start shitting on me as well, this is coming from someone who much prefered Frieren to Tomo-chan)
@IhnalakoKaina
IhnalakoKaina said:
There's no way that you can say in good faith that tomo chan was more entertaining than frieren
There's no way that you can say in good faith that tomo chan was more entertaining than frieren
So because someone enjoyed a show you don't particularly like (Tomo-chan) more than one you love (Frieren) they can't possibly be saying that in good faith? They can't possibly simply have different taste from yours?
What a great display of maturuty
(And before you start shitting on me as well, this is coming from someone who much prefered Frieren to Tomo-chan)
Uh, no. It's just that by his own standard of judging how much a show deserves hype and praise, tomo chan should be low as hell on that list. You know, since comedy, romance and drama in a school rom com has been done before and specifically done much better and all.
Idgaf what you or he likes or dislikes, but if you are the ones contradicting yourselves or claiming that all of us are wrong for hyping up frieren, well... who's the immature one then?
| @IhnalakoKaina Yes, exactly, his own standerd, his own personal standerd that will differ from your personal standerd and from my personal standered, cuz different people have different ways of looking at things, that is normal |
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Reply to Miyukikurogane
There’s nothing unjustified about the hype, the show took a risk in this era of anime, how many times do you see a slow burner anime per year, the quality never reduced, barely any form of fan service for the sake of fan service, character dialogues that feels real and warm to watch, the character all well written and feel different from the usual stereotypes.
From soundtracks to action to pacing, frieren gave quality that’s what I’m trying to say
And that whole it’s boring nonsense never appealed to me cuz it’s literally side quests THE ANIME, a show trying to showcase the small details and even the most minute moments of the adventure matters.
I don’t know what battle shounen fans came to frieren for, they prolly saw one fight scene.
Honestly, the show was a masterclass in direction. I won’t say it’s in my top 10 but it’s still think it’s a masterpiece, even if I still think shows like, Re:zero , Mushoku tensei, fate, kaguya, monogatari Etc. are better.
From soundtracks to action to pacing, frieren gave quality that’s what I’m trying to say
And that whole it’s boring nonsense never appealed to me cuz it’s literally side quests THE ANIME, a show trying to showcase the small details and even the most minute moments of the adventure matters.
I don’t know what battle shounen fans came to frieren for, they prolly saw one fight scene.
Honestly, the show was a masterclass in direction. I won’t say it’s in my top 10 but it’s still think it’s a masterpiece, even if I still think shows like, Re:zero , Mushoku tensei, fate, kaguya, monogatari Etc. are better.
Miyukikurogane said: There’s nothing unjustified about the hype, the show took a risk in this era of anime, how many times do you see a slow burner anime per year, the quality never reduced, barely any form of fan service for the sake of fan service, character dialogues that feels real and warm to watch, the character all well written and feel different from the usual stereotypes. I don't know if I would consider adapting an already pretty popular shonen manga is what I would call a "risk". Original projects are almost always more risky and there are still plenty of those every year. There are also tons of slow paced shows every year as well. Frieren's only really an outlier if you're not really paying that much attention to the anime landscape. Miyukikurogane said: And that whole it’s boring nonsense never appealed to me cuz it’s literally side quests THE ANIME, a show trying to showcase the small details and even the most minute moments of the adventure matters. I don’t know what battle shounen fans came to frieren for, they prolly saw one fight scene. I think this would make more sense if the second half of the show wasn't dominated by an exam arc that feels right out of Hunter x Hunter. In many ways, Frieren is very much an archetypal action manga. |
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| Ugh... Some people just dedicate whatever free time they have just to hate and hide behind ridiculous strawman arguments buried with tons of word salads. |
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| lol at including rdr2 and sherlock as good examples of anything. |
| Another edgy teenager with MC complex who thinks his opinion is so unique there's a need for a thread where he has to boasts how his taste is superior since he doesn't like popular things. |
| Your idiotic take doesn't deserve a whole fricking thread. |
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| So, people can't praise and love Frieren because there are other things, half of which aren't even anime, that do some things better or even just earlier? This is the strangest criticism I've heard in years. It's the same as saying that you can't love and praise Coca-Cola because there is better food. |
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Reply to Master_Chef
Boosting frieren? 😂 sorry I genuinely believe something is good and don't fall onto being a contrarian to feel special.
| @Master_Chef I am so special indeed |
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Chewbaccaccino said: LordKirkis said: @Chewbaccaccino I can see someone saying Vinland Saga being better than Frieren if its exactly the show the person is looking to watch, but like on quality of metrics.. I believe its pretty easy to say Frieren edges it out in many of the parts that make up an anime production. Let me ask you this... which Zelda do you believe is the best written and with the best OST? Btw my favorite is Ocarina of Time and A Link to the Past. I was mostly mentioning Zelda for its world building. Story wise Frieren is better, same with fromsoft. All other titles mentioned though - I think the stories are better. I like twilight princess the most. Yup Twilight Princess has the best OST and writing. Frieren production is overall greater than the average show, so is the OST and writing.. although it may not be up to your expectations it’s still greater than you see it. The score and ranking Frieren holds is well earned given what we typically get as far as animation goes. Also Tomo Chan is an amazingly fun show, but I would never compare these two shows… it wouldn’t be fair to Tomochan thats a more modest production. |
LordKirkisNov 3, 7:37 AM
| You are right in most things, but you are in MAL, the same place that has this anime as number 1, don't expect much agreement or any form of argument that doesn't involve insults towards you because Frieren fans can't stand the most minimal amount of criticism or opinions that aren't agreeing with the show being an masterpiece. |
Reply to Master_Chef
Chaimello said:
honestly I don't wholly disagree.
I think the replies here are getting a little too mad over this.
I agree on a couple points; Stark is very forgettable, could have taken him out of the show and we'd be fine. The world building is in fact generic and so is the magic system.
I would not look to Frieren for anything groundbreaking in terms of world building. I would instead look at Frieren for addressing relationships and their affects on people, no matter how small they may seem. That concept alone is what drives the entire plot of the show and why people resonate with it so much.
It's not trying to be anything other than a fantasy story that focuses on the characters instead of the world. Since most other fantasy titles, even LOTR, do more focusing on big picture than small.
I do disagree about Frieren as a character. And Fern is a teenager, so I'm not sure if you've ever met a teenager, but they are not exactly rational or mature.
I also think Frieren is paced very well, and knows how to manage flashbacks properly which adds a lot to the experience.
There's nothing wrong with disliking the show or thinking it's overhyped. you have the right to that opinion and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Just don't tell people they are stupid for liking it (not that you did, but that's where I draw the line in terms of criticism).
have a good day
honestly I don't wholly disagree.
I think the replies here are getting a little too mad over this.
I agree on a couple points; Stark is very forgettable, could have taken him out of the show and we'd be fine. The world building is in fact generic and so is the magic system.
I would not look to Frieren for anything groundbreaking in terms of world building. I would instead look at Frieren for addressing relationships and their affects on people, no matter how small they may seem. That concept alone is what drives the entire plot of the show and why people resonate with it so much.
It's not trying to be anything other than a fantasy story that focuses on the characters instead of the world. Since most other fantasy titles, even LOTR, do more focusing on big picture than small.
I do disagree about Frieren as a character. And Fern is a teenager, so I'm not sure if you've ever met a teenager, but they are not exactly rational or mature.
I also think Frieren is paced very well, and knows how to manage flashbacks properly which adds a lot to the experience.
There's nothing wrong with disliking the show or thinking it's overhyped. you have the right to that opinion and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Just don't tell people they are stupid for liking it (not that you did, but that's where I draw the line in terms of criticism).
have a good day
Out of curiosity, which fantasies can you point to that focus on world building as a major factor? I love world building in fiction so I'm always interested in more 😅
| @Master_Chef Look up Dungeon Meshi (Or Delicious in Dungeon, though I hate that title). Despite the premise, it's one of the most world building focused fantasy animanga out there. Just bear in mind it's not very apparent in the first half of the anime. |
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