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Oct 21, 2024 7:35 PM
#1
SPOILERS While a couple of shows seem to get all the "credit" for this, there's a lot of anime, manga, and light novels that make truly baffling decisions in their closing chapters. Nothing is worse than getting your time wasted by a promising concept turned into a mockery of itself. What endings made you the most angry? -Guilty Crown (anime). Shuu Ouma, loser to the end. Go sit blind in your cuck chair. -Weathering with You (movie). Congrats on flooding Tokyo! Surely this will not have disastrous, compounding effects on the people, culture, or economy of Japan! -Oregairu (anime). Alas, I am but a Yui truther, and fate be a cruel mistress. -Unnamed Memory (LN). total reset of the story after 3 volumes. I was so pissed I dropped it on the spot. -And I'm sure Magi (manga) will get mentioned, which I haven't read but heard falls off hard. |
Oct 21, 2024 7:53 PM
#2
Shounen no Abyss i actually love pretty much everything about the manga. characters were explored thoroughly, art is immaculate, and the plot were uhhh... quite a bit unique to say the least. everything was going great, up until the very last chapter. you see, in pretty much every other manga and/or anime, you at least could see where everything starts to go downhill. like several chapters before the ending, you notice some dips in quality, whether it's the art or overall writing. Shounen no Abyss tho, just sends you to a state of shock. everything ruined in a matter of a single chapter. and the very last one at that. i mean, i get which way they're going for, but at least give us some clues damn it. i dont know man, im just.. mad at it. cant get the right words to explain the dissapointment i have of it (still love it tho). |
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Oct 21, 2024 7:57 PM
#3
Requiem of the Phantom ending for me, that thing ended on such a random twist that the community has tried to come up with a conclusion on what exactly was implied on those last seconds. Other recent ones for me will be Wonder Egg Priority, Darling in the Franxx and Highscool of the Dead. |
Oct 21, 2024 8:10 PM
#4
I loved the anime but when I heard about the usagi drop manga ending, I didn’t even give the manga a try |
Oct 21, 2024 8:36 PM
#5
Quintessential quintuplets- I’m sorry, but any critical reader would see that this ending made no sense at all. You don’t toss aside character and relationship development for shock value, that just butchers your characters and ruins your series. Like, it’s so obvious that it was only done for shock value judging by the fact that after the girl was picked it feels like nothing happened and the series just randomly stops without anybody getting a satisfying ending, INCLUDING the girl who “won”. Like, you can’t make the character with the most unresolved problems the winning girl and then end the series without resolving any of those problems. Character assassination I tell you. Btw, you rly should pick back up unnamed memory, I also hated the decision, but dw, new tinasha and new Oscar are even cuter and they get together very quickly compared to the ogs. The series also gets crazy. Def recommend picking it back up. |
Oct 21, 2024 8:48 PM
#6
was literally gonna mention magi lol. but it's still worth reading... imo. besides that, there's glass mask (2005) - which is literally one of my all time favorites - but the ending is the most freaking abrupt cliffhanger ever. like someone just pulled the plug. sad, when funding gets in the way of art. and I'm going to pretend that the end of usagi drop (manga) never happened, too. also, unpopular opinion, but gintama wasn't the same from silver soul arc to the end. still absolutely a favorite series, but I thought it dropped in quality. |
Oct 21, 2024 9:17 PM
#7
people who hate magi ending have no idea how rukh works or they were sinbad fans. It's true though that ohtaka was disappointed because she wanted to make it slightly different but the end result would have been the same. Also, unlike some pretentious fans of other series, Magi lacks those idiotic egocentric fans that explain the series/ending in huge useless walls of text so that the simple minded people can understand and be happy that their manga is cool while spreading lies. You have to understand the ending while reading it and that's hard for people who lack reading comprehension. |
CatalanoOct 21, 2024 9:21 PM
Oct 22, 2024 3:30 AM
#8
Reply to Eliman613
Quintessential quintuplets- I’m sorry, but any critical reader would see that this ending made no sense at all. You don’t toss aside character and relationship development for shock value, that just butchers your characters and ruins your series. Like, it’s so obvious that it was only done for shock value judging by the fact that after the girl was picked it feels like nothing happened and the series just randomly stops without anybody getting a satisfying ending, INCLUDING the girl who “won”. Like, you can’t make the character with the most unresolved problems the winning girl and then end the series without resolving any of those problems. Character assassination I tell you.
Btw, you rly should pick back up unnamed memory, I also hated the decision, but dw, new tinasha and new Oscar are even cuter and they get together very quickly compared to the ogs. The series also gets crazy. Def recommend picking it back up.
Btw, you rly should pick back up unnamed memory, I also hated the decision, but dw, new tinasha and new Oscar are even cuter and they get together very quickly compared to the ogs. The series also gets crazy. Def recommend picking it back up.
Eliman613 said: As someone who love the ending, knew about the end girl before getting into the series, I loved every moments that they get to spend together in the series, Fuutarou is the happiest when he's with her and she is the best pick for Fuutarou. The swing scene where he had the most genuine laugh we've seen is my favorite moment in the entire manga, and guess who's by his side? :)Quintessential quintuplets- I’m sorry, but any critical reader would see that this ending made no sense at all. You don’t toss aside character and relationship development for shock value, that just butchers your characters and ruins your series. Like, it’s so obvious that it was only done for shock value judging by the fact that after the girl was picked it feels like nothing happened and the series just randomly stops without anybody getting a satisfying ending, INCLUDING the girl who “won”. Like, you can’t make the character with the most unresolved problems the winning girl and then end the series without resolving any of those problems. Character assassination I tell you. |
Honobono Log - best slice of life short -------------------------------------------- most kawaii loli overlord ---------------------------- Donquixote Doflamingo AMV - Control |
Oct 22, 2024 3:37 AM
#9
Yakusoku no Neverland, everybody knows why. |
Oct 22, 2024 3:38 AM
#10
I love the ending of Nadia and the secret of blue water, but if they just removed the last 5 seconds it would be so much better |
Oct 22, 2024 4:39 AM
#13
Reply to Daxonzion-
Shounen no Abyss
i actually love pretty much everything about the manga. characters were explored thoroughly, art is immaculate, and the plot were uhhh... quite a bit unique to say the least. everything was going great, up until the very last chapter.
you see, in pretty much every other manga and/or anime, you at least could see where everything starts to go downhill. like several chapters before the ending, you notice some dips in quality, whether it's the art or overall writing.
Shounen no Abyss tho, just sends you to a state of shock. everything ruined in a matter of a single chapter. and the very last one at that. i mean, i get which way they're going for, but at least give us some clues damn it.
i dont know man, im just.. mad at it. cant get the right words to explain the dissapointment i have of it (still love it tho).
i actually love pretty much everything about the manga. characters were explored thoroughly, art is immaculate, and the plot were uhhh... quite a bit unique to say the least. everything was going great, up until the very last chapter.
you see, in pretty much every other manga and/or anime, you at least could see where everything starts to go downhill. like several chapters before the ending, you notice some dips in quality, whether it's the art or overall writing.
Shounen no Abyss tho, just sends you to a state of shock. everything ruined in a matter of a single chapter. and the very last one at that. i mean, i get which way they're going for, but at least give us some clues damn it.
i dont know man, im just.. mad at it. cant get the right words to explain the dissapointment i have of it (still love it tho).
@Daxonzion- That manga went downhill around the last 60 chapters, like there was no way it'll have a good ending when Nagi's backstory only got like 2 chapters... As for my personal pet peeve, the last 2 chapters of Domestic Girlfriend. You just can't do that. Also the OVA ending of Mirai Nikki just totally ruins the few things the show actually had going for it. |
JaniSIrOct 22, 2024 4:50 AM
Kimochi Warui |
Oct 22, 2024 4:49 AM
#14
Misato dying before she could keep her promise to lay Shinji. |
No, this isn't my signature. |
Oct 22, 2024 4:59 AM
#15
Little Busters! (do not watch the last two episodes of the second season) Forced happy ending. The entire anime is based on the premise that only 2 characters will survive and the entire story feels like it was for nothing once this is no longer the case. Additionally the side character arcs based on knowing you will die soon while finally achieving happiness lose their cynical charm. |
"I don't know everything, I only know what the internet knows." - Definitely not best girl. "To ask is a moment's shame. Not to, lifelong." - I quoted with a posed look. |
Oct 22, 2024 5:42 AM
#16
Kyo Kara Maoh (manga) - worst garbage ending I've ever seen, the illustrator mentioned that it was the editor who directed all the changes and she's such a huge Yuuram fujobitch, she changed everything to make Wolfram and Yuuram the main focus, degraded all other characters, threw out the story straight out of the window and as a certified Conrad hater gave Conrad the worst possible ending with the worst possible reason. Kyo Kara Maoh (LN) - although the series has been in hiatus since 2010 the author released two possible endings in the form of doujinshi and they were just terrible, the 2nd one worse than the 1st. Abusive rapist gets a happy ending with MC while the person who gave his all for the MC gets the worst ending with him saying that he needs to repent for his sins but since the series is not complete yet so we don't even know what his so called sin is and in the 2nd version he gets shot to death. But garbage author has always hated him in all her interviews so I can guarantee anything that the official ending won't be any better either so I hope that this series remains in hiatus for all eternity. |
Oct 22, 2024 11:11 AM
#17
Prison School I see no reason why it had to end that way. |
Oct 22, 2024 11:27 AM
#18
Oct 22, 2024 11:28 AM
#19
Reply to ShinyLotus
Little Busters! (do not watch the last two episodes of the second season)
Forced happy ending. The entire anime is based on the premise that only 2 characters will survive and the entire story feels like it was for nothing once this is no longer the case. Additionally the side character arcs based on knowing you will die soon while finally achieving happiness lose their cynical charm.
Forced happy ending. The entire anime is based on the premise that only 2 characters will survive and the entire story feels like it was for nothing once this is no longer the case. Additionally the side character arcs based on knowing you will die soon while finally achieving happiness lose their cynical charm.
@ShinyLotus Or drop it halfway through season 2. The entire Refrain arc sucks. |
その目だれの目? |
Oct 22, 2024 11:30 AM
#20
Soul Eater (anime) butchering the Raid on Baba Yaga Castle arc to rush to an anime-original ending when the manga wasn't even over yet, leaving half of the manga unadapted, and ending the final fight with the "courage punch" asspull that had no build up, and was just your typical cheesy "power of friendship" bullshit. Tokyo Revengers (manga) I have a lot of issues with the final arc, but my biggest issue is that the second to last chapter has Takemichi and Mikey save everyone just by staying in the past. It doesn't show them actually solving any problems or averting any tragedies, so the events of the final chapter ended up feeling unearned. |
Oct 22, 2024 11:44 AM
#21
While S2 Promised Neverland started to derail fairly quickly during its season runtime, the ending being a literal slideshow somehow managed to make things even worse. |
"Don't let your memes be dreams."- Ancient Japanese proverb, probably |
Oct 22, 2024 12:04 PM
#22
Reply to ToG25thBaam
Eliman613 said:
Quintessential quintuplets- I’m sorry, but any critical reader would see that this ending made no sense at all. You don’t toss aside character and relationship development for shock value, that just butchers your characters and ruins your series. Like, it’s so obvious that it was only done for shock value judging by the fact that after the girl was picked it feels like nothing happened and the series just randomly stops without anybody getting a satisfying ending, INCLUDING the girl who “won”. Like, you can’t make the character with the most unresolved problems the winning girl and then end the series without resolving any of those problems. Character assassination I tell you.
As someone who love the ending, knew about the end girl before getting into the series, I loved every moments that they get to spend together in the series, Fuutarou is the happiest when he's with her and she is the best pick for Fuutarou. The swing scene where he had the most genuine laugh we've seen is my favorite moment in the entire manga, and guess who's by his side? :)Quintessential quintuplets- I’m sorry, but any critical reader would see that this ending made no sense at all. You don’t toss aside character and relationship development for shock value, that just butchers your characters and ruins your series. Like, it’s so obvious that it was only done for shock value judging by the fact that after the girl was picked it feels like nothing happened and the series just randomly stops without anybody getting a satisfying ending, INCLUDING the girl who “won”. Like, you can’t make the character with the most unresolved problems the winning girl and then end the series without resolving any of those problems. Character assassination I tell you.
@ToG25thBaam Um I am sorry, but no. As much as I love the series, the ending was nothing more than a shock factor. She was not even in the conversation for most part but Haruba, in order to differentiate his story as something else, went for that decision just making all he had built crumble down just like that. Liking an ending is different, and that ending being genuinely good from a writing perspective is different. |
-Tohka is better than Kurumi. You can't change my mind. |
Oct 22, 2024 12:06 PM
#23
Reply to davekramer
Yakusoku no Neverland, everybody knows why.
@davekramer Don't worry manga wasn't much better in the latter half, although them not animating the Goldy Pond arc was dumb. |
-Tohka is better than Kurumi. You can't change my mind. |
Oct 22, 2024 3:14 PM
#24
Reply to Lucifrost
@ShinyLotus
Or drop it halfway through season 2. The entire Refrain arc sucks.
Or drop it halfway through season 2. The entire Refrain arc sucks.
@Lucifrost I, for one, will not be giving the same advice. Unlike the last two episodes, the rest of the arc actually tells something (new) and builds on already established elements that would lose some of their meaning without it. I can understand not liking the refrain arc because of the change in tone in the context of preferred aesthetics, but in contrast to the last two episodes everything else doesn't cause instability to the narrative (actually the opposite) and it doesn't make prior events obsolete (at least I think going from A to B to A is dumb ... just stay with A or keep on going with B but I am not able to overlay two conflicting emotional states and therefore one of them will be discarded). Conclusion: make your decision based on how well your tastes align with mine or his (or other people who throw their hat in the ring). Just don't trust people who tell you the last two episodes are good, or I'll be forced to fight side by side with Lucifrost. And keep in mind cutting EP07+ instead of 12+ will result in situations where parts of the story prior to that will be stripped of their meaning/understanding especially since this anime tells things only to be understood or reinterpreted later on. |
"I don't know everything, I only know what the internet knows." - Definitely not best girl. "To ask is a moment's shame. Not to, lifelong." - I quoted with a posed look. |
Oct 22, 2024 3:41 PM
#25
Kumo desu's ending, both WN and LN, I'd rather forget the canon ending and read whatever else the fans made for it |
Oct 22, 2024 6:09 PM
#26
Platinum End. Do I even have to bring this up again? God, that surprise ending was just pointless. Unnamed Memory is NOT over Which is why that is so baffling to people, it isn't meant to end there |
Oct 22, 2024 7:20 PM
#27
Reply to ShinyLotus
@Lucifrost
I, for one, will not be giving the same advice. Unlike the last two episodes, the rest of the arc actually tells something (new) and builds on already established elements that would lose some of their meaning without it. I can understand not liking the refrain arc because of the change in tone in the context of preferred aesthetics, but in contrast to the last two episodes everything else doesn't cause instability to the narrative (actually the opposite) and it doesn't make prior events obsolete (at least I think going from A to B to A is dumb ... just stay with A or keep on going with B but I am not able to overlay two conflicting emotional states and therefore one of them will be discarded).
Conclusion: make your decision based on how well your tastes align with mine or his (or other people who throw their hat in the ring). Just don't trust people who tell you the last two episodes are good, or I'll be forced to fight side by side with Lucifrost.
And keep in mind cutting EP07+ instead of 12+ will result in situations where parts of the story prior to that will be stripped of their meaning/understanding especially since this anime tells things only to be understood or reinterpreted later on.
I, for one, will not be giving the same advice. Unlike the last two episodes, the rest of the arc actually tells something (new) and builds on already established elements that would lose some of their meaning without it. I can understand not liking the refrain arc because of the change in tone in the context of preferred aesthetics, but in contrast to the last two episodes everything else doesn't cause instability to the narrative (actually the opposite) and it doesn't make prior events obsolete (at least I think going from A to B to A is dumb ... just stay with A or keep on going with B but I am not able to overlay two conflicting emotional states and therefore one of them will be discarded).
Conclusion: make your decision based on how well your tastes align with mine or his (or other people who throw their hat in the ring). Just don't trust people who tell you the last two episodes are good, or I'll be forced to fight side by side with Lucifrost.
And keep in mind cutting EP07+ instead of 12+ will result in situations where parts of the story prior to that will be stripped of their meaning/understanding especially since this anime tells things only to be understood or reinterpreted later on.
ShinyLotus said: it doesn't make prior events obsolete It actually does. Refrain reveals that none of the events of season 1 really happened. But I though of a good reason to watch Refrain despite that: To follow it with Kud Wafter! |
その目だれの目? |
Oct 23, 2024 2:35 AM
#28
Reply to DinoNo1
@ToG25thBaam Um I am sorry, but no. As much as I love the series, the ending was nothing more than a shock factor. She was not even in the conversation for most part but Haruba, in order to differentiate his story as something else, went for that decision just making all he had built crumble down just like that. Liking an ending is different, and that ending being genuinely good from a writing perspective is different.
@DinoNo1 I don't see it as shock factor, it was obvious from the very beginning looking back. She is the only girl that hasn't had her own character arc and there had to be something reserved for her. Development aside, best girl does not equate best for the MC. You can claim whoever you want as the best girl, but there is only one for Fuutarou, and she's the right girl. If you knew who the end girl was right from the very beginning, you can see the hints dropped throughout the series. Remember when Fuutarou was resting on her lap when he was sick, and she confessed to him, and caught him by surprised? That's also one of my favorite moment in the series, and the breadcrumbs were always there from the beginning, it was just so lowkey that most fans didn't realize it. Fuutarou always had his attention on her, unlike the other girls where he's the center of attention for them. |
Honobono Log - best slice of life short -------------------------------------------- most kawaii loli overlord ---------------------------- Donquixote Doflamingo AMV - Control |
Oct 23, 2024 3:04 AM
#29
I'll keep it to anime that were ruined by their ending and that I can remember: - Inuyashiki - Death Note - Hagane no Renkinjutsushi (2009) - Soul Eater - Suisei no Gargantia |
Oct 23, 2024 4:40 AM
#30
Reply to Lucifrost
ShinyLotus said:
it doesn't make prior events obsolete
it doesn't make prior events obsolete
It actually does.
Refrain reveals that none of the events of season 1 really happened.
But I though of a good reason to watch Refrain despite that: To follow it with Kud Wafter!
@Lucifrost > To be clear: Saying "it makes previous events obsolete" was kind of silly ... because it's not actually the problem; I got caught between ~it's obsolete itself~ and ~it's not needed to complete other, meaningless elements of previous events~. That's why I don't care that you're copying my stupid argument (apart from the realisation that I'm stupid). > I actually meant: the last two episodes themselves are oboslete because they fail to: (1) establish anything new [they simply jump back to a past state], (2) tell anything new [they don't use the current state, they just throw it at you], and therefore (3) have no bearing on the understanding of previous events. It would be different if it was shown that the characters have actually changed because of their survival, but you only get information that you already know. Riki is more mature. They like each other. Wow. > I'm not sure what your definition of "really" is. Do secondary characters become obsolete because two of the main characters can't remember them and are only indirectly affected? Aren't you allowed to care about the story of the side characters because they vanish? How is season 1 obsolete if only the refrain arc makes you fully understand the whole mystery of the world story line, the mysticism, the metaphors like in the children's books, or some of the minor characters' comments? I pretty much adore the anime for how often it references things you cannot understand at the moment they are shown. "But I though of a good reason to watch Refrain despite that: To follow it with Kud Wafter!" I will do it like everytime: I just believe in that the original was butchered by the anime adaption. |
"I don't know everything, I only know what the internet knows." - Definitely not best girl. "To ask is a moment's shame. Not to, lifelong." - I quoted with a posed look. |
Oct 23, 2024 6:03 AM
#31
Oct 23, 2024 6:24 AM
#32
Reply to ShinyLotus
@Lucifrost
> To be clear: Saying "it makes previous events obsolete" was kind of silly ... because it's not actually the problem; I got caught between ~it's obsolete itself~ and ~it's not needed to complete other, meaningless elements of previous events~. That's why I don't care that you're copying my stupid argument (apart from the realisation that I'm stupid).
> I actually meant: the last two episodes themselves are oboslete because they fail to: (1) establish anything new [they simply jump back to a past state], (2) tell anything new [they don't use the current state, they just throw it at you], and therefore (3) have no bearing on the understanding of previous events. It would be different if it was shown that the characters have actually changed because
of their survival, but you only get information that you already know. Riki is more mature. They like each other. Wow.
> I'm not sure what your definition of "really" is. Do secondary characters become obsolete because two of the main characters can't remember them and are only indirectly affected? Aren't you allowed to care about the story of the side characters because they vanish? How is season 1 obsolete if only the refrain arc makes you fully understand the whole mystery of the world story line, the mysticism, the metaphors like in the children's books, or some of the minor characters' comments? I pretty much adore the anime for how often it references things you cannot understand at the moment they are shown.
"But I though of a good reason to watch Refrain despite that: To follow it with Kud Wafter!"
I will do it like everytime: I just believe in that the original was butchered by the anime adaption.
> To be clear: Saying "it makes previous events obsolete" was kind of silly ... because it's not actually the problem; I got caught between ~it's obsolete itself~ and ~it's not needed to complete other, meaningless elements of previous events~. That's why I don't care that you're copying my stupid argument (apart from the realisation that I'm stupid).
> I actually meant: the last two episodes themselves are oboslete because they fail to: (1) establish anything new [they simply jump back to a past state], (2) tell anything new [they don't use the current state, they just throw it at you], and therefore (3) have no bearing on the understanding of previous events. It would be different if it was shown that the characters have actually changed because
of their survival, but you only get information that you already know. Riki is more mature. They like each other. Wow.
> I'm not sure what your definition of "really" is. Do secondary characters become obsolete because two of the main characters can't remember them and are only indirectly affected? Aren't you allowed to care about the story of the side characters because they vanish? How is season 1 obsolete if only the refrain arc makes you fully understand the whole mystery of the world story line, the mysticism, the metaphors like in the children's books, or some of the minor characters' comments? I pretty much adore the anime for how often it references things you cannot understand at the moment they are shown.
"But I though of a good reason to watch Refrain despite that: To follow it with Kud Wafter!"
I will do it like everytime: I just believe in that the original was butchered by the anime adaption.
ShinyLotus said: "But I though of a good reason to watch Refrain despite that: To follow it with Kud Wafter!" I will do it like everytime: I just believe in that the original was butchered by the anime adaption. Are you saying the Kud Wafter game is better than the anime? I hope to play it if it is ever translated. |
その目だれの目? |
Oct 23, 2024 7:13 AM
#33
Reply to ToG25thBaam
@DinoNo1 I don't see it as shock factor, it was obvious from the very beginning looking back. She is the only girl that hasn't had her own character arc and there had to be something reserved for her. Development aside, best girl does not equate best for the MC. You can claim whoever you want as the best girl, but there is only one for Fuutarou, and she's the right girl. If you knew who the end girl was right from the very beginning, you can see the hints dropped throughout the series. Remember when Fuutarou was resting on her lap when he was sick, and she confessed to him, and caught him by surprised? That's also one of my favorite moment in the series, and the breadcrumbs were always there from the beginning, it was just so lowkey that most fans didn't realize it. Fuutarou always had his attention on her, unlike the other girls where he's the center of attention for them.
@ToG25thBaam if you need prior knowledge about a series in order for it to be enjoyable, that’s bad writing. And no, it’s not obvious at all from the very beginning. All of the girls besides Itsuki have many hints and moments that could show that they’re the endgame girl. Reread Scrambled Eggs and tell me that’s not a “hint” that Miku is endgame. There are many other hints that I could get into, but if you’re main point is “with knowledge of the ending it’s actually a good manga”, then it should be pretty obvious that the ending is terribly written. As somebody who was reading the manga back while it was airing, everyone believed that Yotsuba was a side character, because she never plays a real role in ANY arc of the series until the very end. People claim that she “helped fuutarou the most”, which is also false since Miku and Itsuki do way more for him throughout the series. Like, if one scene on the swings is all you’ve got, then wtf r we doing here man. It made so little sense to the readers of the manga and the analysts that Yotsuba was chosen that there was a 100 page theory trying to prove that Negi was trying to bait us which was made AFTER she was already chosen. If your readers think that the final decision your MC made in a romance manga was a bait, then you’ve failed as a romance writer, simple as that. Btw here’s the theory of your interested. Reading it makes you realize just how dogs hit the ending truly was and the wasted potential negi gave up for shock value. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jJEfaBMdNVsHgYsuWJ7yBOHQwgn6VWNecv6KT47xc-0/edit |
Eliman613Oct 23, 2024 7:16 AM
Oct 23, 2024 7:40 AM
#34
Everyone was upset about the last two episodes of the TV series «Neon Genesis Evangelion». But I was really thrilled by that introspection and verbalized contemplation. Those two episodes that dismantled the fourth wall were by far what made that work a different level of existence. The movie version and the new movie version were also efforts, but they went back to a conservative approach. Immediately afterward, a number of follower works appeared. It is inevitable that none of them have caught up with their predecessor, but I would like to thank «Eva» for providing the special pleasure of appreciation by discriminating which ones were "comprehended" and which ones were "failed in a know-it-all attitude." |
Oct 23, 2024 8:14 AM
#35
For me it is undeniably Senki Zesshou Symphogear XV. I still have PTED and I'm still frustrated by how awful this ending was. Below I explain why (copypasted from different thread). Spoilers ahead: When a protagonist in first season drives still mourning secondary protagonist to suicide attempt by her insensitive remarks like "I'll replace her" and as such insults the memory of her recently deceased soulmate, then instead of having a moment of clarity and realizing how out of touch it was, but decides to prove that she was correct, then that's quite immoral thing to do. And when that same protagonist five seasons later as a first reaction to unhinged terrorists murdering 100k innocent people, children even, and laughing about it being "we should befriend them" without even being fazed about what happened, instead of saying "we should stop them and bring them to justice" literally in the face of secondary protagonist once again who witnessed this traumatic event, then that's totally fucked up thing to do and textbook sociopathic behaviour. That was the result of five seasons of supposed "development". She got so accustomed to Talk no Jutsu villains over those four previous seasons, that it became muscle memory, not compssion and as a result she is just an egoistic sociopath, that doesn't give a slightest flying fuck about anything or anyone other than validating her own sick and twisted sense of self gratification. It literally took her less then a second to forgive a mass murderers, but she struggled to forgive her useless dad for over episode. Can you imagine her forgiving someone who harmed someone she cares about? Now, that I think about it, she was seemingly completely unfazed when Miku was kidnapped. Twice. And on that note this franchise ended. Due to convinient writing she was always morally correct, nowhere ever her morals were challenged and on top of all that she manages to Talk no Jutsu a misantropic villainesses, who was on quest to destroy humanity for millenia in like two or three sentences, just like she did before. You may think that I'm overthinking, overanalyzing and that Symphogear is just a "dumb fun, that requires to shut off your brain to properly enjoy", but this shit is literally in the face and having a protagonist, that due to writers blatant incompetence is just a grifting sociopath and a bad person, who we are supposed to relate surely diminish how I can enjoy this show. Yellow Thing singlehandedly turned 9/10 series (overall) into 3/10. By giving compassion to irredeemable villains instead of those who need and deserve it, she sents pretty clear message: "No matter how evil you are, you will receive clemency. If you innocent person, then fuck you!" But you know what? Similarly to Wonder Egg, this mess of an ending still shows potential for 6th season, if you consider this as a cliffhanger. Yellow Thing's morals could be properly challenged. This Chekhov's Gun is still hanging on the wall. In my frustration I managed to even figure out a potential concept for if. |
Oct 23, 2024 10:16 AM
#36
Reply to Lucifrost
ShinyLotus said:
"But I though of a good reason to watch Refrain despite that: To follow it with Kud Wafter!"
I will do it like everytime: I just believe in that the original was butchered by the anime adaption.
"But I though of a good reason to watch Refrain despite that: To follow it with Kud Wafter!"
I will do it like everytime: I just believe in that the original was butchered by the anime adaption.
Are you saying the Kud Wafter game is better than the anime? I hope to play it if it is ever translated.
@Lucifrost I've never played anything from this franchise - only seen the anime. So I can't know and have to believe it. If I were to play it, I would have to face the fact that the games might not be better written than the anime, something I don't want to happen. |
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Oct 23, 2024 11:02 AM
#37
What I hate is when the series is mostly good, has a great premise and then the author runs out of ideas when it comes to explaining the central storyline that was what originally made it so good. Tokyo Revengers was a memorably bad ending. After years of reading, speculating what the whole mystery at the centre of the time travel ability was – we got some bs that doesn’t even make sense. It was such a let down. And then it ended with a “happy ever after, no one dies” ending. That was surprising considering how dark the series got near the end but certainly didn’t piss me off as much as the time travel explanation. I read so many BETTER theories about it written by fans but the author was like “idk lol”. Oh, and the Promised Neverland. That had a weird ending where it was like “okay, everyone is saved at the price of this condition.” That’s fine, but then the condition was fixed almost immediately so it wasn’t really a hinderance in the first place. So why put it in? Waste of the final few chapters in an overall great manga, in my opinion. |
Oct 23, 2024 11:38 AM
#38
Oct 23, 2024 11:40 AM
#39
Oct 23, 2024 11:54 AM
#40
Oct 23, 2024 12:20 PM
#41
Reply to rodmanii
@Guilmon1 true, it was so strange and unnecesary, but otherwise the ending was perfect.
@rodmanii agree, the ending was perfect on every level, the character writing, the plot and the themes were beautifully executed and even with that happening I still think it is one of the best endings I saw |
Oct 23, 2024 1:32 PM
#42
I would say "Suzuka" by Kouji Seo. Geez I can't expect much can I? I know i don't need to be reminded by the winning girl why the series named after her. But what i'm gonna say to not only Suzuka, but to other romcom or romance anime's author: "you can't just put a rival girl, make her have better personalities and literally all aspects than main girl, make the readers fall in love with her, only to make her lose in the end!!1!" |
Oct 24, 2024 9:45 AM
#43
I remmeber Erased's ending pissing a lot of people off. |
Oct 25, 2024 2:40 AM
#45
Reply to Eliman613
@ToG25thBaam if you need prior knowledge about a series in order for it to be enjoyable, that’s bad writing. And no, it’s not obvious at all from the very beginning. All of the girls besides Itsuki have many hints and moments that could show that they’re the endgame girl. Reread Scrambled Eggs and tell me that’s not a “hint” that Miku is endgame. There are many other hints that I could get into, but if you’re main point is “with knowledge of the ending it’s actually a good manga”, then it should be pretty obvious that the ending is terribly written. As somebody who was reading the manga back while it was airing, everyone believed that Yotsuba was a side character, because she never plays a real role in ANY arc of the series until the very end. People claim that she “helped fuutarou the most”, which is also false since Miku and Itsuki do way more for him throughout the series. Like, if one scene on the swings is all you’ve got, then wtf r we doing here man. It made so little sense to the readers of the manga and the analysts that Yotsuba was chosen that there was a 100 page theory trying to prove that Negi was trying to bait us which was made AFTER she was already chosen. If your readers think that the final decision your MC made in a romance manga was a bait, then you’ve failed as a romance writer, simple as that.
Btw here’s the theory of your interested. Reading it makes you realize just how dogs hit the ending truly was and the wasted potential negi gave up for shock value.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jJEfaBMdNVsHgYsuWJ7yBOHQwgn6VWNecv6KT47xc-0/edit
Btw here’s the theory of your interested. Reading it makes you realize just how dogs hit the ending truly was and the wasted potential negi gave up for shock value.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jJEfaBMdNVsHgYsuWJ7yBOHQwgn6VWNecv6KT47xc-0/edit
@Eliman613 I never said you needed prior knowledge, I just said that was my experience. I said that there are hints dropped throughout the series that make a lot of sense looking back that give the end pair a lot of legitimacy. Eliman613 said: Yeah she just happened to be the one left out, not like it was intentional to make the final arc about her or anything. Every other sisters had their own story arc, makes a lot of sense for Yotsuba to not have any, right? Come on, man. Also her not taking the main role of any of the arc is literally the purpose of her story arc.everyone believed that Yotsuba was a side character, because she never plays a real role in ANY arc of the series until the very end Eliman613 said: I tried reading this, and I stopped before "Miku vs Everyone", realizing I don't remember much details from the series at all. However, I did some digging and found out that this google doc was shared on r/MikuNakano by clearly a Miku supporter, and found another google doc that is longer, but arguing a case for Yotsuba instead.Btw here’s the theory of your interested. Reading it makes you realize just how dogs hit the ending truly was and the wasted potential negi gave up for shock value. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jJEfaBMdNVsHgYsuWJ7yBOHQwgn6VWNecv6KT47xc-0/edit https://drive.google.com/file/d/1o8JbWk5SalcNZqAPXQdIfwfG7G3pgzQS/view At the end of the day, you could find inconsistency or intentional diversion to keep the mystery going until the end, but fans of the girls are going to make their own case, and they wouldn't be wrong. It is also very obvious that Yotsuba is reserved for the last arc, as you said, she's the only girl that hasn't got much spotlight, what are the chances that the mangaka had no plan for her character when all the other girls had one? |
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Oct 25, 2024 5:26 AM
#47
Reply to aReviewer
Everyone was upset about the last two episodes of the TV series «Neon Genesis Evangelion».
But I was really thrilled by that introspection and verbalized contemplation. Those two episodes that dismantled the fourth wall were by far what made that work a different level of existence. The movie version and the new movie version were also efforts, but they went back to a conservative approach.
Immediately afterward, a number of follower works appeared. It is inevitable that none of them have caught up with their predecessor, but I would like to thank «Eva» for providing the special pleasure of appreciation by discriminating which ones were "comprehended" and which ones were "failed in a know-it-all attitude."
But I was really thrilled by that introspection and verbalized contemplation. Those two episodes that dismantled the fourth wall were by far what made that work a different level of existence. The movie version and the new movie version were also efforts, but they went back to a conservative approach.
Immediately afterward, a number of follower works appeared. It is inevitable that none of them have caught up with their predecessor, but I would like to thank «Eva» for providing the special pleasure of appreciation by discriminating which ones were "comprehended" and which ones were "failed in a know-it-all attitude."
@aReviewer I loved the tv ending of eva so much and it felt perfect for Shinji's character, his true antagonist in the show was his depression and Anno knew it is the conflict the climax has to be about so a traditional ending wouldn't work the same |
Oct 26, 2024 5:33 PM
#48
Reply to ToG25thBaam
@Eliman613 I never said you needed prior knowledge, I just said that was my experience. I said that there are hints dropped throughout the series that make a lot of sense looking back that give the end pair a lot of legitimacy.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1o8JbWk5SalcNZqAPXQdIfwfG7G3pgzQS/view
At the end of the day, you could find inconsistency or intentional diversion to keep the mystery going until the end, but fans of the girls are going to make their own case, and they wouldn't be wrong. It is also very obvious that Yotsuba is reserved for the last arc, as you said, she's the only girl that hasn't got much spotlight, what are the chances that the mangaka had no plan for her character when all the other girls had one?
Eliman613 said:
everyone believed that Yotsuba was a side character, because she never plays a real role in ANY arc of the series until the very end
Yeah she just happened to be the one left out, not like it was intentional to make the final arc about her or anything. Every other sisters had their own story arc, makes a lot of sense for Yotsuba to not have any, right? Come on, man. Also her not taking the main role of any of the arc is literally the purpose of her story arc.everyone believed that Yotsuba was a side character, because she never plays a real role in ANY arc of the series until the very end
Eliman613 said:
Btw here’s the theory of your interested. Reading it makes you realize just how dogs hit the ending truly was and the wasted potential negi gave up for shock value.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jJEfaBMdNVsHgYsuWJ7yBOHQwgn6VWNecv6KT47xc-0/edit
I tried reading this, and I stopped before "Miku vs Everyone", realizing I don't remember much details from the series at all. However, I did some digging and found out that this google doc was shared on r/MikuNakano by clearly a Miku supporter, and found another google doc that is longer, but arguing a case for Yotsuba instead.Btw here’s the theory of your interested. Reading it makes you realize just how dogs hit the ending truly was and the wasted potential negi gave up for shock value.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jJEfaBMdNVsHgYsuWJ7yBOHQwgn6VWNecv6KT47xc-0/edit
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1o8JbWk5SalcNZqAPXQdIfwfG7G3pgzQS/view
At the end of the day, you could find inconsistency or intentional diversion to keep the mystery going until the end, but fans of the girls are going to make their own case, and they wouldn't be wrong. It is also very obvious that Yotsuba is reserved for the last arc, as you said, she's the only girl that hasn't got much spotlight, what are the chances that the mangaka had no plan for her character when all the other girls had one?
@ToG25thBaam bruh the problem is she doesn’t get the spotlight EVEN IN THE LAST ARC. The arc where she was supposed to be the main character of and have development in ended with her doing…. Nothing? Like she just regressed into her toxic self? It’s just not how you write a story bud. I’ve seen many Yotsuba supporters also say that the ending was bad in their eyes, because there’s just no payoff or development at all. Of course there are also theories for Yotsuba. She was the winning girl after all. The problem is that Negi put too much foreshadowing into both Miku and Yotusba to the point where now his series is just littered with inconsistencies and plot holes. The fact that there are 100 doc theories for two character IS the exact problem. And it doesn’t help that the Yotsuba “win” feels cheap cuz she did literally nothing throughout the series. |
Eliman613Oct 26, 2024 5:37 PM
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