| How is it possible , we see the same world since the Arthurian time with the same monster , the same suits , the same weapons the same dungeon , the same guild system , but , we continue to love it , we continue to make anime , video games or movies abt it I think it's bc , everyone knows it so no need to create and present a whole new universe to the viewers ,and bc the viewers are comfortable in it. But personally in thoses "generic" animes , what matters the most for me is the characters , since the world or fights are almost the same , character will need to be unique or particularly appreciable according to my personal tastes , so i can love this anime more than another. I also think that urban fantasy is a very cool themes , because mixing modernity and medieval fantasy is very interesting.(i think that IF maybe , people get tired of basic medieval fantasy , they will start to use more and more this theme) |
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| No, it's not about if we're tired of the medieval fantasy world in anime (our opinions don't matter). It's about the Japanese audience who keeps buying it and demanding more. |
| Because the architecture looks awesome. |
DesuMaiden said: Nobody resembles me physically because I don't even physically exist. |
| There are far more anime than that set in another setting: the real world. |
| I'm not tired of medieval settings. |
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| I am personally tired of it, I dont like the DnD/MMO tropes. |
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| The only anime I'm tired of are the bad ones. |
| その目だれの目？ |
| What a conflating question... no, most medieval fantasy worlds don't actually have dungons and adventurer guilds. Do we want to discuss Medieval Fantasy as a whole or only specific tropes? |
Reply to Vaturna
What a conflating question... no, most medieval fantasy worlds don't actually have dungons and adventurer guilds. Do we want to discuss Medieval Fantasy as a whole or only specific tropes?
| @Vaturna a whole , i just use examples here bro |
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| Who's this "we" you speak of. I've been wanting more unique fantasy worlds forever. Fantasy gives you the green light to do whatever bullshit you want, but it's rarely taken advantage of. |
| Medieval fantasy is a genre that always holds a great potential. I don't think we are tired of it but rather we are merely tired of the bad execution of it. |
Reply to FanofAction
Who's this "we" you speak of. I've been wanting more unique fantasy worlds forever. Fantasy gives you the green light to do whatever bullshit you want, but it's rarely taken advantage of.
| @FanofAction a lot of people haven't understand what i've said , HAVE NOT said that we are tired , i have ask HOW ARE WE NOT. |
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| 1. Because of what tchichouan said. 2. What's the point of asking a question and answering it yourself? 3. In regard to your answer, I partly agree with you. As you said, an anime with a generic/boring world can still be good because of other factors, but not all medieval fantasy worlds are generic/boring, e.g., Re:Zero, Mushoku Tensei, Tensura, etc. It always hurts reading your posts, considering you put space before the comma. |
| I've been a fan of medieval fantasy my whole life and I don't think I'm ever growing old of it. Medieval and early modern era are extremely fascinating time periods for Europe. I don't really know either why the Japanese are so interested in European culture specifically, but it's a very nuanced topic you could dedicate your whole life to studying it without ever running out of things to learn. Just from a historical aspect alone it's really cool. Fusing it with fantasy makes it even better. There is definitely an argument to be made about overly generic fantasy in anime (and in other media like games). There are so many different ways you can explore medieval fantasy outside of adventuring and dungeon crawling which I would like to see more of. I'm not actually tired of seeing the same ideas over and over again, but it's a waste of potential. |
| Because it's not the same old setting, it evolves with the times. Sir Gawain the Green Knight through to Ivanhoe, Lord of the Rings, dungeons and dragons pulp fantasy, all the way down to the likes of Log Horizon and Frieren. Outside of the cosmetic garnishings of shining armour, ancient castles, strange beasts and magical artifacts they all put a different sp on the themes of chivalry, Romance, adventure etc. depending on the values of the author, the audience, and the society they both inhabit. But the fact is that escaping into a past world where honourable knights slay dragons and defend the poor, ordinary men go on incredible adventures to find magical artifacts, where the maidens are fair and a man's word is his bond is a universal desire. Medieval petty knights, Georgian housewives 1950s schoolboys, all the way through to otakus, nerds and American wageslaves in the current day. In the drudgery of everyday life we all dream about proving our mettle in noble quests in nobler times... |
| Old is Gold "Look, look, we can do spinning shots without wasting our entire budget" "Did you see? Look, it's all smooth and everything !" "You're not looking, please, it's SO AWESOME LOOK AT HOW SPINNY IT IS!!!!" - All anime animators since the invention of CGI. |
| For the same reason people aren't tired of medieval fantasy settings in d&d. It's an easily recognizable, familiar blank slate that you can do a lot with. Even before the isekai boom, there were a lot of medieval fantasy anime in the 90s. Maybe it will become less common if another genre craze supplants it, but it'll never fully go away. |
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BritishBlitz87 said: But the fact is that escaping into a past world where honourable knights slay dragons and defend the poor, ordinary men go on incredible adventures to find magical artifacts, where the maidens are fair and a man's word is his bond is a universal desire. Medieval petty knights, Georgian housewives 1950s schoolboys, all the way through to otakus, nerds and American wageslaves in the current day. In the drudgery of everyday life we all dream about proving our mettle in noble quests in nobler times... This right here. Who doesn't want to be a medieval fantasy hero and/or farmer? Explore endless new natural worlds or new special powers and people? Until we're able to do this things/find them irl, fantasy will never die. |
| Censorship is vandalism. |
| I'm a simple enby, I see DnD worlds, I love them... if there is something intruiging and lively about them that is. Unfortunately it often doesn't feel like these authors are actually passionate about their own stories themselves. Personally I generally love the setting, but I prefer a late medieval-steampunk mix which goes really well together. Basically start of fictional renaissance with steampunky elements. My DnD and own book worlds look like this. |
| Damn. That's a unique take............ "WE" generally like this setting. That's why it's popular. That's why it keeps popping up. That is why it works It's certainly not because nobody knows how to do anything other than fantasy...that's such a ridiculous thing to think xD |
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| That’s a sentiment shared by many fans. I feel The medieval fantasy trope has been overused, leading to a feeling of fatigue. Most fans are craving fresh settings and unique takes on the genre. When something becomes too formulaic, it’s only natural for the community to want innovation. |
Reply to Zakatsuki_
@FanofAction a lot of people haven't understand what i've said , HAVE NOT said that we are tired , i have ask HOW ARE WE NOT.
| @Zakatsuki_ Uhuh...And I answered by saying who do you mean by "we", because I am not part of the "we" that isn't tired of it. I specifically said I want more diverse fantasy settings. |
| Because it's nice, tho medieval times were for a thousand years and yet for fantasy mainly the late middle-ages are being used [cause plate armour looks cool. I guess?]. Why peeps ain't going for high middle ages or early middle ages for their fantasy x( The best part of it is that the top 1 rated anime in mal/other sites has late medieval setting x). I am still in demand of some more realistic battles and fights in such anime, so far only one title is highly realistic [the most realistic representation of a battle in all media of movies/tv series/anime when it comes to middle-ages] |
ZettaikenOct 13, 5:52 PM
| "AIEEEE WHY IS THIS MARKET THAT I DONT CONTRIBUTE TO IN ANY RELEVANT WAY GOING A WAY I DONT WANT IT TO" blud said we as if he's Japanese (they are the only relevant market + people making anime in the first place) the European medieval fantasy world setting is popular because Japans economy was destroyed in the 1990s by America. Hence every generation after became HEAVILY into escapist fantasy and media because there really isn't any future left for them and the economy has still not gotten better and social issues from a Japanese perspective have arguably gotten worse (the capitalistic rammifications of putting women in the workforce en masse and requiring dual income households as well as the astronomical cost of living) on top of Japanese prospects and futures being grim, the origins of manga as in post 1945 fiction was heavily censored so they couldnt create a manga mythos that was really Japanese or establish a legitimate and organic canon for their fictional development. People like Tezuka were basically industry plants because the playing field for what would play for a magazine and would be accepted by the government for publication was extremely harsh. Hence the Nu Japanese anime/manga culture itself has very negative and non escapist origins itself (being forced to tie into ww2 and war is le bad and japanese adults/forefathers are evil etc) Some of the creators were radical for a time but they either got crushed by neoliberalism presiding over revolutionary thought such as fascism or socialism, or got increasingly jaded and at the same time the next generation grew up on their otaku based work like urusei yatsura and took those ideas and snowballed it into the landscape we have now. For example of those countless sci fi and psychological anime of the 80s and early 90s were from a time where it looked like Japan would literally replace America as the top dog of Earth. Now that Japan no longer has that present or future they will no longer have the capital to produce such works or the mental state to consume them. And you can talk all you want but no other market actually pays for their anime (no streaming doesnt count) so you can cry all you want about things like moe or isekai but there is no world where enough americans pay $700 to buy Cowboy Bebop blurays. Basically isekai and the setting of medieval europe in particular is due to the increasing need for non japanese escapist literature that looked to the past rather than the bleak future. To understand imagine if America declined financially became like number 3 to China and Japan with the dollar tanking as well as having another countries millitary bases on your land. And you can't really escape the influence tolkien d&d dragon quest or wizardry. |
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| I'm personally not tired of it anytime soon. |
| To answer your question in the form of: how are we not tired of medieval fantasy? Medieval fantasy has become a common point of reference in storytelling background settings as a form of escapism. I think European society and culture have thoroughly taken on colonialization so well to ingrain into the world of their culture and override everyone else's, we think of historical Europe with rose-tinted glasses and with a very fairytale-esque perception. To put it into example: Shakespeare's most recognized work is Romeo and Juliet. But if you look through even beyond there were already similar versions of star-crossed lovers beforehand, like the story of Laila Majnu. A folktale that was spread across the Middle East and Indian subcontinent and famous for centuries. So what made Romeo and Juliet become the more famous folktale? Why do we easily recognize Greek Mythology over let's say Egyptian Mythology or Mesopotamian Mythology? It's because we are living in the modern era affected by recent centuries of colonization. It's why English is being pushed to become the universal language, and it is also why our lifestyle and clothing have adopted Western standards. To get back on track to your question, Medieval fantasy is a setting that we aspire as a fantasy setting. From literary pieces and folklore spread across the world, it's become sort of aspirational and dreamlike. It's a setting where we are accustomed to the structure and we have seen in all forms of media. There's notions of adventure, becoming a hero, the tavern's quiet life, etc. Of course, other historical settings from other nations or even newly created fantasy worlds are also interesting in media. But what makes medieval fantasy more prevalent, is that we don't have to relearn the rules of the world. We are familiar with it. And if your question implied: why are we not tired of medieval fantasy? Then buddy....I don't know what to tell you. I think it's an interesting background, and enjoyable with a good story. Sometimes it's used in anime with bad writing, and that's on the writing tbf. I don't care what setting the story is in, as long as it's interesting. And if anything the Japanese people dictate what they enjoy seeing on the screen. |
Lychee-JellyOct 14, 12:36 AM
| I’m personally tired of urban fantasy troupe in shounen anime, i need real high fantasy world to get invested. |
| plin plin plon |
| "How aren't we tired of the medieval fantasy world in anime or other media yet?" To be fair they aren't doing justice to that period. Said fantasy is just a mind cosplay with little ambition of recontextualizing our current lives. People back than weren't thinking and talking like that. Which comes to answer why people do that in the first place - they like to see their familiar selves in a different setting. Sci-fi would be more challenging to come up with, since it's hard to imagine what would be the topics of tomorrow (for example Star Trak goes ham on those, not a big fan) and let's say Ancient Greece or Ancient Egypt would be way too alien for unambitious purposes of the mind cosplayers. So yeah, it's a bit boring, but going beyond would be way too much effort and people are kind of lazy when it comes down to entertainment. |
| Because it is interesting to watch about the relationships of characters. |
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Reply to Merve2Love
Damn. That's a unique take............
"WE" generally like this setting.
That's why it's popular. That's why it keeps popping up. That is why it works
It's certainly not because nobody knows how to do anything other than fantasy...that's such a ridiculous thing to think xD
"WE" generally like this setting.
That's why it's popular. That's why it keeps popping up. That is why it works
It's certainly not because nobody knows how to do anything other than fantasy...that's such a ridiculous thing to think xD
| @Merve2Love just mute me and pay your rents yo 32 years old grown ass woman instead of hating on my post lmaoo😭 |
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| i have been tired of it for a while now though, it all just gives a typical feel by now. |
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| It has been a popular period setting for stories since The Enlightenment era, so it aint going anywhere. Its far easier to connect fantasy with the medieval era, once you go to the industrial era beyond steampunk you kinda loose the magical feel of the setting and it goes more towards sci-fi. |
 "Don't let your memes be dreams."- Ancient Japanese proverb, probably |
| Ok zoomer, suggest a better setting. Protip, you can't. |
| But I am tired of it. That's why I have limited myself to only watching "reverse" isekai, which is the opposite of the medieval fantasy set. |
Reply to Zakatsuki_
@Merve2Love just mute me and pay your rents yo 32 years old grown ass woman instead of hating on my post lmaoo😭
| @Zakatsuki_ I'll "pay my rents, yo" AND reply to your corny Threads. How you like them Apples? :) |
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Merve2Love said: @Zakatsuki_ I'll "pay my rents, yo" AND reply to your corny Threads. How you like them Apples? :) "yo" is just an abbreviation for "you" , you know things of youngs people ? maybe you don't know that |
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Merve2Love said:
@Zakatsuki_
I'll "pay my rents, yo" AND reply to your corny Threads.
How you like them Apples? :)
@Zakatsuki_
I'll "pay my rents, yo" AND reply to your corny Threads.
How you like them Apples? :)
"yo" is just an abbreviation for "you" , you know things of youngs people ?
maybe you don't know that
| @Zakatsuki_ "Youngs people" seems wrong, tho^^ don't get triggered. Just repllied to your Thread. See you in the next one. |
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| I'm tired of all these MMORPG fantasy/isekai that resemble medieval world so I don't watch them or end up dropping them. |
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| I've been tired and lost interest for years. The stories and plotlines often tend to usually be reptitive with the same character troupes and settings. Honestly just hoping it dies out eventually and manga authors actually try to make interesting stories again. |
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| i'm only tired of the self-insert isekai stuff from light novels. Frieren, Dungeon Meshi, and Witch Hat Atelier are really good imo |
| Urban fantasy is about as overdone as medieval European high fantasy TBH. I would rather see battle shonen go back to One Piece/Naruto esque fantastic worlds, than having everything take place in Japan. Also, so many people think it's a setting problem, when the setting is irrelevant. Japanese writers don't know how to write European Medieval fantasy well. If they could put out stuff on par with top end Western fantasy writers, you wouldn't see as many complaints. The setting isn't a problem, it's the caliber of writing, that is commonly found within these LN, that is the problem. It would be nice, if Japanese writers, you know, took from actual medieval cultures/history, rather than relying on Dragon Quest, DnD and all the other fantasy LNs that have come before. |
BilboBaggins365Oct 14, 7:34 AM
| The same reason why people aren't sick and tired of shity junk food despite it being bad for peoples health. |
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| I've been a bit tired of it honestly! If it's what people want, then so be it. |
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| Hot take: High fantasy stories tend to be worthless anyway. The settings allows as much creative freedom than sci-fi, yet every story is about the brave (male) hero who searches for the totally-not-phallic sword of Guld'hur to stop the invasion of the evil orcs of Shmargon'rok. < '>_< '> It's a reverse iceberg: very impressive at first glance, but nothing below the surface. I remember asking fantasy fans what they liked in their fav book when I was still reading a lot, 100% of the answers I got were basic regurgitation of the plot that kinda... missed the point of the question. Read and watch sci-fi instead, kids 🫡 |
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Reply to TheMechaManiac
@Deathko Except sci-fi is slowly starting to lose weight and impact as sci-fi becomes sci-fact.And I say this as a genuine sci-fi fan. We know of thousands of different worlds orbiting other suns just waiting for that FTL drive to be invented.
High fantasy is simply a setting that has more long lasting potential because it'll never become fact. The ages of castles, knights in shining armor, horses and horrible living conditions are long behind us. And fantasy creatures will, obviously, never exist, and neither will magic.
High fantasy is simply a setting that has more long lasting potential because it'll never become fact. The ages of castles, knights in shining armor, horses and horrible living conditions are long behind us. And fantasy creatures will, obviously, never exist, and neither will magic.
| @TheMechaManiac I have a couple objections. First, lots of sci-fi does not involve interplanetary travel, or robots, or anything that might become true in the future. The possibilities are endless. Solaris is about a sentient planet who attempts to communicate with humans by using the memories of their loved ones, Roadside Picnic is about aliens stopping on Earth and leaving garbage that might as well be magical in nature everywhere, etc. Hell, you can even have high fantasy in your sci-fi, no problem. Star Wars is high fantasy sci-fi, and so are a bunch of classic JRPGs games. And magic? Arthur C. Clarke said it best, “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.”. The second thing, is that I don't think the point of sci-fi is the setting itself. For some of it, sure. I read some absolute shlock that was about the brave (male) hero fighting the evil space pirates and banging space elves that had no substance whatsoever. But in most well-known sci-fi books, the setting is merely a pretext to explore an idea. Dune (evil empire invades sand planet to steal their Spice and fuel spaceships with it, how religion is used to steer people), Do Androids Dream (what is empathy and how our society doesn't value or reward it), Solaris (dealing with the loss of a close one, miscommunication between two widely different PoVs/cultures), The Inhabited Island (sneaking political commentary under the nose of the soviet censorship), Starship Trooper (libertarian sociopolitical pamphlet and visionary study of what future paratroopers and mechanized infantry might look like), Jurassic Park (ethics of bio-engineering), VALIS trilogy (wtf did I just read?)... Technology could surpass what's in those books, the idea wouldn't be less relevant. Now, in theory, both high fantasy and sci-fi could be totally interchangeable. We could brainstorm a sci-fi setting that supports Tolkien's story and its elves, dragons and magic; and a high-fantasy setting that supports PkD's story about psychopath androids, a dying ecosystem, and the cognitive dissonance of humans in about 15 minutes. But in practice... With sci-fi, the idea often comes first, and the setting is dictated by said idea. With high fantasy, the setting often comes first (straight up ctrl+c ctrl+v from Tolkien), and the "idea" is dictated by the tired tropes of the genre. Mostly kilometric writing filled with action and some untasteful eroticism 😭 |
DeathkoOct 15, 8:07 AM
Prophetess of the Golden Era |
| I enjoy these "escape from reality" settings in media since there's too many "real life" kind of like situations in media. Fantasy and medieval is more interesting for me. |
| "You only realize the real value of something you discarded when you get the chance to pick it up again." - Rudeus Greyrat |
| I find it somewhat amusing this post was made just after Metaphor: ReFantazio - a game set in a medieval fantasy - managed to sell over 1 million copies on its first day alone. As some of the other replies pointed out, it isn't the "medieval fantasy" setting that is the problem... but how a great deal of these isekai authors fail to maximize the potential of the setting they've chosen. |
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