Boku no Tsuma wa Kanjou ga Nai Episode 8 Discussion

Well physically she the same. She doesn't show emotions as usual, sure, but I don't think she'd be that attached to the guy or be jealous if Mamoru was introduced in episode 1 too. That's what I meant with her changing. If she were emotionally same as in episode 1, she would act like a "toaster" and not give a shit. She does now.

Well I have to disagree there. I don't think she's the same emotionally.

Honestly I'm confused with your POV. In one instance you say Mina hasn't developed emotions, in the next you say robots love their owners unconditionally. Love is an emotion. A toaster can't love you. You think that other robots have emotions but Mina doesn't? Or do you think robots can't ever develop emotions to begin with? If that's the case than there's nothing to argue here. I just won't agree and you can believe it's just imitation programming doing its job or whatever.

Mina being jealous isn't because she googled "how wife should react if husband shows affection for someone else". An emotionless home appliance would NOT give that much care and thought to something as insignificant as another "home appliance" appearing in their home, especially when Takuma was asleep and couldn't see if Mamoru was still near him. She has no affection for Takuma but still pushed the other robot away (even though he wasn't between the two anymore) because?

Robots have emotions and Mina is by far NOT the only robot we've seen develop emotions. Heck, there were 2 instances already when robots lost consciousness due to emotional shock - which, in my opinion is a clear sign of their emotional development! I don't get what's your point with . I mean, sure, if Mina was treated like an average toaster, she would likely NOT develop emotions towards Takuma or feel jealous towards Mamoru. It's precisely because she wasn't treated like an object she began to develop emotionally, even though she is still on a beginner level. It makes perfect sense with humans too. An emotionless person can develop feelings if someone treats them with care, love and respect, and stay emotionless if treated like an object/slave.

For starters, it's not my intention to "attack" you with this reply. Sorry if I sound aggressive or harsh below.

Thinking hard has nothing to do with this really. You need to elaborate your opinion clearer, otherwise I have to assume what you're thinking.
Wrong. They certainly are sentient however this doesn't mean they love their masters unconditionally by default. There's simply no evidence for that in this show as of yet. Just like with pets, just like with humans, they need TIME to develop affection, love and jealousy. There's no evidence for you to claim robots will love whoever from the start!
I already disagreed with this above. They start with the ability to DEVELOP emotions in the future, for sure. In other words, they are capable of emotions, they're not just dolls. Doesn't mean every robot will develop emotions though, especially strong emotions like love or jealousy. Every robot we've seen so far has displayed emotions yes, but "start with emotions" is something you're imagining here too. Same goes with this: I don't know where you got this idea from. No evidence suggests she was anything other but home appliance till the moment Takuma asked her to be his wife. This is the moment her mindset changes because she is told she's special and important, and she slowly starts to develop affection and learns what it means to be a wife. Had Takuma treated her like a "toaster", she'd stay a toaster without trying to be more human. What you're suggesting is that she'd basically be pretending to be emotionless and hide emotions if treated like a mere tool. I don't know where you got the idea she'd be jealous (of camera for instance) regardless if Takuma saw her as a wife or not.
Every robot we've seen is loved by their master. We haven't yet seen people who are indifferent or hate robots and don't yet know how emotionless and "robotic" they can be. Again, just like with pets, yes, robots are capable of emotions, but that doesn't mean they'll love whoever their master is regardless of how they treat them. No evidence to support such claim.

Again with confusing sentences. I don't get what you mean with "jealously guard" here. It's pure speculation from your part though.
Umm I didn't really see that moment as her being jealous per se. Takuma simply has no idea Mina could be used as a better camera. Mina is literally telling him useful stuff about herself since he is clueless. Now, if camera was better than Mina or Takuma decided to use phone anyways, maybe we'd see Mina actually getting jealous. Chucking phone was a bit random example from you. Mina is yet to throw tantrums or get angry to such level. I don't think she'd get jealous to begin with if Takuma treated her poorly for instance.

Again this sounds as if you know what happened prior to the events in episode 1 or something. How can you claim that with certainty?! Since episode 1 Mina has been learning and developing emotions. You honestly believe her sleeping with Takuma for the first time (when told to do so), is no different when she does it on her own later on? Like there was no change in emotions there? Do you remember Mina kissing him after she heard about it from TV? or how she learned to keep secrets between girls? So she was always jealous but didn't know kiss is a sign of affection to a loved one???

Sigh... yes, but usually when people say someone's emotionless, they don't mean total absence of emotions. I obviously mean people who are apathetic or have dulled emotions, usually due to trauma, spartan training etc. Take Violet Evergarden for instance. She's emotionless but not incapable of emotions. It took efforts from kind people to make her develop emotions. Same with robots in this show! Robots ARE capable of developing emotions, but whether they develop them or not depends on people they interact with. That's how I see it.

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Sigh... I'll start from the bottom this time since you conveniently ignored my points about human-pet relationships or an example about Violet Evergarden. The latter is fine to ignore if you haven't seen the show though. Instead of addressing that you decided to hint at hypocrisy that doesn't exist. Our two examples don't compare. Taking "emotionless person" at face value honestly hints at intentional ignorance IMO. You can copy/paste and google search the sentence if you haven't heard of it for some reason before. You guessed it correctly, English isn't my first language, so it's baffling why someone like you'd still be "confused" by such obvious metaphor and assume I implied a human exists with LITERALLY no emotions; especially when given the context I provided. Meanwhile, can mean lots of things without context. Once you provided context, I managed to understand you even though I disagreed with what you said.

Back to the topic now,


I think you're confusing programmed and forced obedience with genuine love, loyalty and jealousy. If a robot sacrifices self for an abusive master (for instance), it's because they're forced by programming, not because of freaking unconditional love! Sounds ludicrous how you're so hellbent on claiming that that's love.

The situation in this show can be easily summarized by the following comparison:

You receive a slave who was born a slave and since childhood was stripped of humanity and taught to serve and obey their master unconditionally.
You, instead of being an "average slave-owner", decide to treat them like a human rather than a tool they themselves see as.
A born-slave who's taught from birth that they're inferior and should endure punishments and have no emotions and own thoughts and should simply do whatever they're told, would certainly be confused when treated the way "they're not supposed to be", with compassion and love! That slave will in time likely change and develop emotions that makes them more human-like. They'll learn to love and genuinely care for master who is their friend now, not their overlord they need to sacrifice own life for because that's how they were raised. This slave was always capable of emotions any human, but the emotions were intentionally dulled and are now developing due to good treatment.

It's in the title of the series! My wife has no emotions! It's all about Mina developing emotions through time spent with Takuma as his wife. "She was always jealous" makes as little sense as saying "The slave always loved their master" (from my example). No, the point of the series is that Mina was an emotionless toaster but thanks to Takuma she's becoming more human-like, or in other words - emotional! Just like Violet, just like the slave I mentioned.

You keep throwing the word "literally", even though this was never stated to be the case in the anime. But then again you're confusing love with forced obedience through programming so I don't know what else to say there. Just because they're "programmed to love unconditionally", doesn't mean they ACTUALLY love their masters. Actual love comes as time passes and relationship develops. Chat GTP saying "I love you" isn't a sign of unconditional love towards humans.

It's already been stated that Mina is abnormal. She already did the "love" writing on the food even though she isn't programmed to do that. Why was the woman checking on Mina surprised Mina did that then? + Why did Senju get an emotional shock from hearing she's loved by that woman? The show even specifically showed how Senju struggled to compute when hearing that. In other words, she experienced something new, something she wasn't prepared for "literally from the beginning", thus the shock came.

She literally is an appliance by design and no sane person was meant to treat her as a wife to begin with! This was even explicitly said in the show (like how people usually treat SUPER Mina that way, not older models designed for cooking). Why would she have emotions since the beginning in this case? Mina changes and learns how to be a proper wife despite limitations, that's the point. She's rare. She learns how to show affection through kisses and feels jealous later on when love is shared. It's wild to assume she ALWAYS had these emotions. Again, unlike Super mina, it's not like she was programmed to be a wife, she's learning and developing emotions as the show progresses. And the fact that this is even possible is because Mina we see is exceptional, like Mamoru. Meaning, a different old-version Mina would possibly NOT develop genuine affection for their master or be jealous of other robots etc.

Yes, we're literally seeing it NOW. It's ludicrous to state she was ALWAYS jealous. You can NOT prove she was always jealous. It makes more sense to trust my eyes and say "this is when she showed jealousy for the first time" in a specific episode, rather than pretend it already happened prior to events in episode 1!!! She didn't need to warm up to Mamoru, she obviously saw Mamoru as a mere tool, but when Takuma began treating him like a child and giving him care and attention, Mina got understandably jealous. There's ZERO reasons to assume Mina would've shown same levels of jealousy if Mamoru was introduced from episode 1, or right after Takuma proposed to her. IMO this is debunked by the fact that robots get shocked. Why should a robot be shocked to hear she's loved? By your logic they should already know that they can be loved by human masters. It shouldn't matter if a human loves them or calls them wife. A robot who "unconditionally loves" master wouldn't be shocked to realize they're loved back. Yet, we see the opposite. It's a clear indication that robots have personalities and are developing emotions and realizing what ACTUAL love means (contrary to forced/programmed "love"), through their interactions with humans. In other words, love is also developed in time, it isn't there "from the beginning"! There's difference between artificial and genuine love.

I did say it's not an example of jealousy PER-SE. "Use me instead of camera since I'm a better camera" - has to be jealousy lol? It can be interpreted as her being excited to be useful + boasting how good her qualities are. Meanwhile, what we see this episode is UNDENIABLY jealousy.

You seriously don't get what I mean? There's a difference between ordering someone to sleep with you - and then they comply because they have no choice or free will; and then said person WANTING to sleep with you on their own without your orders. Mina clearly enjoys sleeping with Takuma NOW. There's NO indication she enjoyed that from the get go when she became wife or learned it was norm. Back then she did what she was told, simple as that.
FFS, again, she wasn't aware how kisses are a sign of affection before seeing that on TV and you want me to believe she always loved Takuma? What do you even mean with love then? I don't where you get those assumptions you claim to be irrefutable facts.
Where did jealousy come from then?? Her desire to please Takuma is already a sign of her emotional development. As an "obedient slave" she should simply comply and NOT push Mamoru even when he's no longer in between the two. That extra effort clearly indicates she's not simply playing the role of a wife, her feelings are genuine. Pushing Mamoru away serves no purpose when it comes to pleasing Takuma.

And I don't know what point you're making here either! Make up your mind. Are robots sentient or not??? Here it seems like you state Mina isn't sentient since she's just doing what's told and her deciding ON HER OWN to kiss him is ALSO likely just due to programming and her simply playing the role of a wife as ordered. But then the same Mina gets jealous for some reason? By same logic, she got jealous NOT because she's emotional and ACTULLY loves Takuma, but because of a program that dictates her what a jealous wife should be doing in such moments!