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Kenzolo-folk said: what "no reason"? Like the quote you mentioned which if i'm not mistaken was said to Johan moments were just him rizzing up people for no reason As for Kenzolo-folk said: we must first test this with an irl Richard Braun and an irl Johan Liebert before saying it will/won't work if it hadn't happened already but afaik, no one knows for sure which again, Johan's "manipulation" is more on mentally unstable individuals like Richard and that's what we see him do.Like who is actually taking this seriously irl?? But the bigger issue is like i said, we both know him going around manipulating people isn't the point of his character. In other words that's just a side point and it's irrational to use that side point to say "he's overrated" as a character in the bigger picture. Sure, everyone has a "i wish they'd shown it more" and that's fine but yeah, it's a WISH. Not a criticism. Kenzolo-folk said: tbh Askeladd is the one where i don't get all the hype be it as a character, villain or manipulator. He's not bad. Just okay and manipulating skills wise Light Yagami should take the cake among anime characters. We see how he diverts people's attention in favour of his own goals since at the very young age of 17. Well at least in the first arc.Compared to someone like Askeladd who was an actual smart manipulator, |
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Senku from Dr. Stone. He's some sort of genius because everyone around him is dumbed down to make him look good.
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Every anime character aka a user of 4chan calls themselves a "hacker". When in fact a "hacker" is usually just a code word for a pedophile. Who is using sophisicated computer software/hacking software to disguise their ip address/identities online. So that they can download/upload cp without the police being able to identify them. And these hackers are even using sophisicated encryption software on their computers to hide any traces of illegal files on their computers, in case if the police send a search warrant to their house. To inspect their devices of illegal files.
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Kenzolo-folk said:
Johan moments were just him rizzing up people for no reason
what "no reason"? Like the quote you mentioned which if i'm not mistaken was said to Johan moments were just him rizzing up people for no reason
As for
Kenzolo-folk said:
Like who is actually taking this seriously irl??
we must first test this with an irl Richard Braun and an irl Johan Liebert before saying it will/won't work if it hadn't happened already but afaik, no one knows for sure which again, Johan's "manipulation" is more on mentally unstable individuals like Richard and that's what we see him do.Like who is actually taking this seriously irl??
But the bigger issue is like i said, we both know him going around manipulating people isn't the point of his character. In other words that's just a side point and it's irrational to use that side point to say "he's overrated" as a character in the bigger picture. Sure, everyone has a "i wish they'd shown it more" and that's fine but yeah, it's a WISH. Not a criticism.
Kenzolo-folk said:
Compared to someone like Askeladd who was an actual smart manipulator,
tbh Askeladd is the one where i don't get all the hype be it as a character, villain or manipulator. He's not bad. Just okay and manipulating skills wise Light Yagami should take the cake among anime characters. We see how he diverts people's attention in favour of his own goals since at the very young age of 17. Well at least in the first arc.Compared to someone like Askeladd who was an actual smart manipulator,
| @TRC_Randy I can and I will use that side point. If the show is gonna tell me he’s a smart dude, I want to believe it. Simple as that. In my opinion, the dude is edgy as fuck, and it’s out of place in this story. It’s a simple show, don’t tell. #1 basic in writing.That’s a fair criticism. If johan wasn’t a blonde pretty boy nobody would be giving him this much wanking. Just because you don’t agree with me doesn’t mean u have to come up with this pseudo intellectual bs |
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I can and I will use that side point. If the show is gonna tell me he’s a smart dude, I want to believe it. Simple as that. In my opinion, the dude is edgy as fuck, and it’s out of place in this story. It’s a simple show, don’t tell. #1 basic in writing.That’s a fair criticism. If johan wasn’t a blonde pretty boy nobody would be giving him this much wanking. Just because you don’t agree with me doesn’t mean u have to come up with this pseudo intellectual bs
I can and I will use that side point. If the show is gonna tell me he’s a smart dude, I want to believe it. Simple as that. In my opinion, the dude is edgy as fuck, and it’s out of place in this story. It’s a simple show, don’t tell. #1 basic in writing.That’s a fair criticism. If johan wasn’t a blonde pretty boy nobody would be giving him this much wanking. Just because you don’t agree with me doesn’t mean u have to come up with this pseudo intellectual bs
Kenzolo-folk said: you really are just a 17 year-old. Well at least you're honest.pseudo intellectual bs |
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Kenzolo-folk said:
pseudo intellectual bs
you really are just a 17 year-old. Well at least you're honest.pseudo intellectual bs
| @TRC_Randy And you can’t admit when a 17 year old is making a valid point at your age. Embarrassing |
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| @Kenzolo-folk no YOU can't admit MY valid points young lady. I made a point about Richard Braun and your "who's taking this seriously irl?" thing. You didn't address those. And your next point in case you're missing, was illogical. How can you take a side point of a much bigger thing and say "yeah that makes it overrated" in its whole? It was nothing but an "i'm entitled to my opinion". Then there's the Kenzolo-folk said: who says it's #1 basic in writing? On what principles?It’s a simple show, don’t tell. #1 basic in writing. And the rest are just immature teen rantings. "Wanking", "pseudo intellectual bs", no mature person would use it in a discussion. Just as you said, it's Kenzolo-folk said: Embarrassing |
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@Kenzolo-folk no YOU can't admit MY valid points young lady. I made a point about Richard Braun and your "who's taking this seriously irl?" thing. You didn't address those. And your next point in case you're missing, was illogical. How can you take a side point of a much bigger thing and say "yeah that makes it overrated" in its whole? It was nothing but an "i'm entitled to my opinion". Then there's the
And the rest are just immature teen rantings. "Wanking", "pseudo intellectual bs", no mature person would use it in a discussion. Just as you said, it's
Kenzolo-folk said:
It’s a simple show, don’t tell. #1 basic in writing.
who says it's #1 basic in writing? On what principles?It’s a simple show, don’t tell. #1 basic in writing.
And the rest are just immature teen rantings. "Wanking", "pseudo intellectual bs", no mature person would use it in a discussion. Just as you said, it's
Kenzolo-folk said:
Embarrassing
Embarrassing
| @TRC_Randy TRC_Randy said: How can you take a side point of a much bigger thing and say "yeah that makes it overrated" in its whole? It was nothing but an "i'm entitled to my opinion". Because the sidepoint is quite literally the topic of discussion. Johan's purpose as a character may not be about being a genius, but the thread is literally about characters that are not as smart as they are hyped up to be in the series. TRC_Randy said: Richard Braun on the rooftop in ep 29 was bcoz we've seen him wavering about him shooting the young man dead without proof and further even lies claiming he was drunk when doing so i.e. he's trying to lie to himself to escape his own mistake sth one could argue was a literal murder which means putting himself on edge for years and having come so close to exposing Johan which the latter, also having read his files took the chance and eliminated him cleanly. truthfully dude, I didn't reply because this text is so hard to read. You need to use punctuation more often, like I'm not even trying to be a grammar nazi, theres genuinely a lot of run-on sentences. But what I mean by no reason is that Im not convinced that what Johan says is actually really "manipulative." to me it just looks like things go his way cuz plot. TRC_Randy said: we must first test this with an irl Richard Braun and an irl Johan Liebert before saying it will/won't work if it hadn't happened already but afaik, no one knows for sure which again, Johan's "manipulation" is more on mentally unstable individuals like Richard and that's what we see him do. Yeah I know. Light interacts with a lot of mentally stable and unstable people, yet his methods still work and they're even believable. Even for a character like Richard Braun, it was hard to believe that he would fold that easily over that comically dark speech from Johan. And it's not like only Johan could have come up with that speech, it's literally the first thing that would come to your mind if you want to get under the skin of someone like Richard, so I didn't think it was saying much about Johan being smart. But hey if you can imagine someone taking that seriously good for you. TRC_Randy said: who says it's #1 basic in writing? On what principles? Idk about you but whenever I hear about any important literary technique, either in english class or from an actual author they always say "show dont tell." |
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Because the sidepoint is quite literally the topic of discussion. Johan's purpose as a character may not be about being a genius, but the thread is literally about characters that are not as smart as they are hyped up to be in the series.
truthfully dude, I didn't reply because this text is so hard to read. You need to use punctuation more often, like I'm not even trying to be a grammar nazi, theres genuinely a lot of run-on sentences. But what I mean by no reason is that Im not convinced that what Johan says is actually really "manipulative." to me it just looks like things go his way cuz plot.
Yeah I know. Light interacts with a lot of mentally stable and unstable people, yet his methods still work and they're even believable. Even for a character like Richard Braun, it was hard to believe that he would fold that easily over that comically dark speech from Johan. And it's not like only Johan could have come up with that speech, it's literally the first thing that would come to your mind if you want to get under the skin of someone like Richard, so I didn't think it was saying much about Johan being smart. But hey if you can imagine someone taking that seriously good for you.
Idk about you but whenever I hear about any important literary technique, either in english class or from an actual author they always say "show dont tell."
TRC_Randy said:
How can you take a side point of a much bigger thing and say "yeah that makes it overrated" in its whole? It was nothing but an "i'm entitled to my opinion".
How can you take a side point of a much bigger thing and say "yeah that makes it overrated" in its whole? It was nothing but an "i'm entitled to my opinion".
Because the sidepoint is quite literally the topic of discussion. Johan's purpose as a character may not be about being a genius, but the thread is literally about characters that are not as smart as they are hyped up to be in the series.
TRC_Randy said:
Richard Braun on the rooftop in ep 29 was bcoz we've seen him wavering about him shooting the young man dead without proof and further even lies claiming he was drunk when doing so i.e. he's trying to lie to himself to escape his own mistake sth one could argue was a literal murder which means putting himself on edge for years and having come so close to exposing Johan which the latter, also having read his files took the chance and eliminated him cleanly.
Richard Braun on the rooftop in ep 29 was bcoz we've seen him wavering about him shooting the young man dead without proof and further even lies claiming he was drunk when doing so i.e. he's trying to lie to himself to escape his own mistake sth one could argue was a literal murder which means putting himself on edge for years and having come so close to exposing Johan which the latter, also having read his files took the chance and eliminated him cleanly.
truthfully dude, I didn't reply because this text is so hard to read. You need to use punctuation more often, like I'm not even trying to be a grammar nazi, theres genuinely a lot of run-on sentences. But what I mean by no reason is that Im not convinced that what Johan says is actually really "manipulative." to me it just looks like things go his way cuz plot.
TRC_Randy said:
we must first test this with an irl Richard Braun and an irl Johan Liebert before saying it will/won't work if it hadn't happened already but afaik, no one knows for sure which again, Johan's "manipulation" is more on mentally unstable individuals like Richard and that's what we see him do.
we must first test this with an irl Richard Braun and an irl Johan Liebert before saying it will/won't work if it hadn't happened already but afaik, no one knows for sure which again, Johan's "manipulation" is more on mentally unstable individuals like Richard and that's what we see him do.
Yeah I know. Light interacts with a lot of mentally stable and unstable people, yet his methods still work and they're even believable. Even for a character like Richard Braun, it was hard to believe that he would fold that easily over that comically dark speech from Johan. And it's not like only Johan could have come up with that speech, it's literally the first thing that would come to your mind if you want to get under the skin of someone like Richard, so I didn't think it was saying much about Johan being smart. But hey if you can imagine someone taking that seriously good for you.
TRC_Randy said:
who says it's #1 basic in writing? On what principles?
who says it's #1 basic in writing? On what principles?
Idk about you but whenever I hear about any important literary technique, either in english class or from an actual author they always say "show dont tell."
Kenzolo-folk said: but my complaint was never about "bro you're going off-topic". Read again. Plus this is what you saidBecause the sidepoint is quite literally the topic of discussion. Kenzolo-folk said: and in the other thread about the most overrated villains some months ago iirc you said the same thing. Your whole line of thinking has been "Johan's wit/manipulation/whatever isn't shown therefore he's an overrated villain even tho i know that's not the point of his character" and that's the question i'm asking you that hasn't been answered since; how's that logical?There's just better/smarter villians than Johan. Kenzolo-folk said: not hard, you're just lazytruthfully dude, I didn't reply because this text is so hard to read. No offense btw. Kenzolo-folk said: ....... excuse me?You need to use punctuation more often, Kenzolo-folk said: i genuinely wanna know which parts should be improved then.like I'm not even trying to be a grammar nazi, theres genuinely a lot of run-on sentences. Kenzolo-folk said: "hard to believe" isn't an argument. Like i said to use realism as the point then realism it is you should go with not by throwing in "believe" all of a sudden. And please don't make claims like "comically dark speech" if you're not gonna justify that that is the case.Even for a character like Richard Braun, it was hard to believe that he would fold that easily over that comically dark speech from Johan. Kenzolo-folk said: to do that you'd have to know the state of mind that that person is currently in and what exact thing you should say to them as well as what kind of reaction it'd trigger. If that's not smart idk what is.And it's not like only Johan could have come up with that speech, it's literally the first thing that would come to your mind if you want to get under the skin of someone like Richard, so I didn't think it was saying much about Johan being smart. And nowhere in the show it is stated nor implied that "only Johan could have come up with that speech". Don't know where you got that from. Kenzolo-folk said: important =/= #1 basic in writing.Idk about you but whenever I hear about any important literary technique, either in english class or from an actual author they always say "show dont tell." |
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Kenzolo-folk said:
Because the sidepoint is quite literally the topic of discussion.
but my complaint was never about "bro you're going off-topic". Read again. Plus this is what you saidBecause the sidepoint is quite literally the topic of discussion.
Kenzolo-folk said:
There's just better/smarter villians than Johan.
and in the other thread about the most overrated villains some months ago iirc you said the same thing. Your whole line of thinking has been "Johan's wit/manipulation/whatever isn't shown therefore he's an overrated villain even tho i know that's not the point of his character" and that's the question i'm asking you that hasn't been answered since; how's that logical?There's just better/smarter villians than Johan.
Kenzolo-folk said:
truthfully dude, I didn't reply because this text is so hard to read.
not hard, you're just lazytruthfully dude, I didn't reply because this text is so hard to read.
No offense btw.
Kenzolo-folk said:
You need to use punctuation more often,
....... excuse me?You need to use punctuation more often,
Kenzolo-folk said:
like I'm not even trying to be a grammar nazi, theres genuinely a lot of run-on sentences.
i genuinely wanna know which parts should be improved then.like I'm not even trying to be a grammar nazi, theres genuinely a lot of run-on sentences.
Kenzolo-folk said:
Even for a character like Richard Braun, it was hard to believe that he would fold that easily over that comically dark speech from Johan.
"hard to believe" isn't an argument. Like i said to use realism as the point then realism it is you should go with not by throwing in "believe" all of a sudden. And please don't make claims like "comically dark speech" if you're not gonna justify that that is the case.Even for a character like Richard Braun, it was hard to believe that he would fold that easily over that comically dark speech from Johan.
Kenzolo-folk said:
And it's not like only Johan could have come up with that speech, it's literally the first thing that would come to your mind if you want to get under the skin of someone like Richard, so I didn't think it was saying much about Johan being smart.
to do that you'd have to know the state of mind that that person is currently in and what exact thing you should say to them as well as what kind of reaction it'd trigger. If that's not smart idk what is.And it's not like only Johan could have come up with that speech, it's literally the first thing that would come to your mind if you want to get under the skin of someone like Richard, so I didn't think it was saying much about Johan being smart.
And nowhere in the show it is stated nor implied that "only Johan could have come up with that speech". Don't know where you got that from.
Kenzolo-folk said:
Idk about you but whenever I hear about any important literary technique, either in english class or from an actual author they always say "show dont tell."
important =/= #1 basic in writing.Idk about you but whenever I hear about any important literary technique, either in english class or from an actual author they always say "show dont tell."
| @TRC_Randy Please for the life of me learn how to properly read. TRC_Randy said: but my complaint was never about "bro you're going off-topic". Read again. I was not accusing you of that, thats actually MY point. My point is that you're going off-topic, talking about what the purpose of Johan is, when I'm not even trying to talk about that. Johan is a well-known "smart" character, so I'm addressing that aspect of him. Saying that thats "not even the point of him" is ridiculous because it's just going off topic. And you're also talking about a whole separate thread about overrated villians from months ago TRC_Randy said: and in the other thread about the most overrated villains some months ago iirc you said the same thing. Your whole line of thinking has been "Johan's wit/manipulation/whatever isn't shown therefore he's an overrated villain even tho i know that's not the point of his character" and that's the question i'm asking you that hasn't been answered since; how's that logical? I've already answered this. His intelligence may not be the purpose of his existence, but its literally the driving force for everything that happens regarding him. His "intelligence" is how he manipulates people, premeditates murder, part of why he was called the "masterpiece" of Kinderheim 511, how he's able to clear his tracks because of his academic record, and his process of finding Nina. So his intelligence is obviously very important to his character. The main word people in this fandom use when describing him is "manipulator." Yet his manipulations put into practice are crap, it's not believable. We never see an actual "big brain" moment come out of this character that makes you go.. wow how did he think of that? As opposed to a lot of villians like Aizen or Light. He just says words and his victims follow through, then he pisses off and goes being mysterious for the rest of the series. TRC_Randy said: "hard to believe" isn't an argument. Why isn't it? If an author doesn't make the effort to make something believable to justify their claim that a character is smart/villianious/ blah blah then thats as fair criticism. Imma use a recent movie for example, like in Kung fu Panda 4. The movie says that the chameleon is the villian, yet he doesn't do anything actually villianious (the most he does is push someone down the stairs) so its hard to believe that Po has a difficult time fighting him. Compared to Tai Lung who we saw masterfully escape prison by himself, and fight the furious 5 alone). Same here when the story says that Johan is extremely smart, yet it never actually shows him do anything calculated, so it's hard to believe that he was able to succeed in all of his endeavors. TRC_Randy said: if you're not gonna justify that that is the case. I already justified it, I showed you one of his corny speeches TRC_Randy said: to do that you'd have to know the state of mind that that person is currently in and what exact thing you should say to them as well as what kind of reaction it'd trigger. If that's not smart idk what is. Bro what.... It takes one look at Brauns history to make up some bs to get under his skin. if u found that impressive idek what to say man, thats crazy. TRC_Randy said: important =/= #1 basic in writing. It's pretty damn basic. How specific do you want me to go? third twice removed basic in writing? TRC_Randy said: nd nowhere in the show it is stated nor implied that "only Johan could have come up with that speech". He's a "manipulative serial killer." The point is that he's unique and special. Like they've stated and implied a million times in the show already. its already implied. Get off Johan's nut's holy shit bruh TRC_Randy said: i genuinely wanna know which parts should be improved then. Richard Braun was on the rooftop in episode 29 because we have seen him wavering about shooting the young man dead without proof. (Notice the period??) Furthermore, he lies, claiming he was drunk when he did it. He is trying to lie to himself to escape his own mistake, which one could argue was a literal murder. This has put him on edge for years. Having come so close to exposing Johan, the latter, who had read his files, took the chance and eliminated him cleanly. ^ compare this with ur original paragraph. Shit looks horrible |
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Kenzolo-folk said: then it is YOU who were the first one to go off-topicI was not accusing you of that, thats actually MY point. My point is that you're going off-topic, talking about what the purpose of Johan is, when I'm not even trying to talk about that. Johan is a well-known "smart" character, so I'm addressing that aspect of him. Saying that thats "not even the point of him" is ridiculous because it's just going off topic. Kenzolo-folk said: why? Bcoz this thread is about "smart characters who aren't actually smart" not "better/smarter villains than Johan".There's just better/smarter villians than Johan. But the bigger point than calling out who went off-topic first is that it all started when you made a statement about his intelligence/manipulation and his reputation as a villain. And just in case if you still wanna continue this whole blaming game then it's your own fault for making that statement. Not me. Kenzolo-folk said: And? Months ago, years ago, decades ago, centuries ago, millenniums ago, time period's got nothing to do with it.And you're also talking about a whole separate thread about overrated villians from months ago Kenzolo-folk said: none of what you said here answer's my previous question. Your entire "We never see an actual "big brain" moment come out of this character that makes you go.. wow how did he think of that?" and those examples are nothing but repeatingI've already answered this. His intelligence may not be the purpose of his existence, but its literally the driving force for everything that happens regarding him. His "intelligence" is how he manipulates people, premeditates murder, part of why he was called the "masterpiece" of Kinderheim 511, how he's able to clear his tracks because of his academic record, and his process of finding Nina. So his intelligence is obviously very important to his character. The main word people in this fandom use when describing him is "manipulator." Yet his manipulations put into practice are crap, it's not believable. We never see an actual "big brain" moment come out of this character that makes you go.. wow how did he think of that? As opposed to a lot of villians like Aizen or Light. He just says words and his victims follow through, then he pisses off and goes being mysterious for the rest of the series. Kenzolo-folk said: and we're back to square one again that it doesn't HAVE to considering that's not the point of his character, etc etc.but whats the point of the characters gushing about how much of a genius he is if they don't dedicate a moment to showing it? On a side note Kenzolo-folk said: then it's those people's fault for mislabeling him as a so-called "manipulator" and yourself for buying it, not the character himself.The main word people in this fandom use when describing him is "manipulator." Kenzolo-folk said: i'd love to hear you justify this besides that Richard scene.Yet his manipulations put into practice are crap, it's not believable. Kenzolo-folk said: in what way is Aizen a "big brain" manipulator?As opposed to a lot of villians like Aizen Kenzolo-folk said: no i'm talking about the Richard scene. Your idea wasWhy isn't it? Kenzolo-folk said: so if "it's unrealistic" is your criticism then it MUST have been proven to be unrealistic one way or the other but there hasn't been any proof for this afaik and you suddenly throwing in "hard to believe" simply undermines the realism that you so fight for. It just becomes a game of faith or lackethereof which isn't an "irl" evidence whatsoever.Like who is actually taking this seriously irl?? Kenzolo-folk said: "showing" =/= justifying.I already justified it, I showed you one of his corny speeches Kenzolo-folk said: reading history =/= knowing what state of mind that that person is currently in and what exact thing you should say to them as well as what kind of reaction it'd trigger.Bro what.... It takes one look at Brauns history to make up some bs to get under his skin. Bro for serious you should learn to use LOGIC in a discussion like this instead of emotionally throwing "bs" here and there like a spoiled brat. Kenzolo-folk said: bruh what are you on about?It's pretty damn basic. How specific do you want me to go? third twice removed basic in writing? Kenzolo-folk said: how does this point to "only Johan could have come up with that speech"?He's a "manipulative serial killer." The point is that he's unique and special. Kenzolo-folk said: Get off of Johan's haters nut's holy shit bruhGet off Johan's nut's holy shit bruh If you can say it so can i. |
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Kenzolo-folk said:
I was not accusing you of that, thats actually MY point. My point is that you're going off-topic, talking about what the purpose of Johan is, when I'm not even trying to talk about that. Johan is a well-known "smart" character, so I'm addressing that aspect of him. Saying that thats "not even the point of him" is ridiculous because it's just going off topic.
then it is YOU who were the first one to go off-topicI was not accusing you of that, thats actually MY point. My point is that you're going off-topic, talking about what the purpose of Johan is, when I'm not even trying to talk about that. Johan is a well-known "smart" character, so I'm addressing that aspect of him. Saying that thats "not even the point of him" is ridiculous because it's just going off topic.
Kenzolo-folk said:
There's just better/smarter villians than Johan.
why? Bcoz this thread is about "smart characters who aren't actually smart" not "better/smarter villains than Johan".There's just better/smarter villians than Johan.
But the bigger point than calling out who went off-topic first is that it all started when you made a statement about his intelligence/manipulation and his reputation as a villain.
And just in case if you still wanna continue this whole blaming game then it's your own fault for making that statement. Not me.
Kenzolo-folk said:
And you're also talking about a whole separate thread about overrated villians from months ago
And? Months ago, years ago, decades ago, centuries ago, millenniums ago, time period's got nothing to do with it.And you're also talking about a whole separate thread about overrated villians from months ago
Kenzolo-folk said:
I've already answered this. His intelligence may not be the purpose of his existence, but its literally the driving force for everything that happens regarding him. His "intelligence" is how he manipulates people, premeditates murder, part of why he was called the "masterpiece" of Kinderheim 511, how he's able to clear his tracks because of his academic record, and his process of finding Nina. So his intelligence is obviously very important to his character. The main word people in this fandom use when describing him is "manipulator." Yet his manipulations put into practice are crap, it's not believable. We never see an actual "big brain" moment come out of this character that makes you go.. wow how did he think of that? As opposed to a lot of villians like Aizen or Light. He just says words and his victims follow through, then he pisses off and goes being mysterious for the rest of the series.
none of what you said here answer's my previous question. Your entire "We never see an actual "big brain" moment come out of this character that makes you go.. wow how did he think of that?" and those examples are nothing but repeatingI've already answered this. His intelligence may not be the purpose of his existence, but its literally the driving force for everything that happens regarding him. His "intelligence" is how he manipulates people, premeditates murder, part of why he was called the "masterpiece" of Kinderheim 511, how he's able to clear his tracks because of his academic record, and his process of finding Nina. So his intelligence is obviously very important to his character. The main word people in this fandom use when describing him is "manipulator." Yet his manipulations put into practice are crap, it's not believable. We never see an actual "big brain" moment come out of this character that makes you go.. wow how did he think of that? As opposed to a lot of villians like Aizen or Light. He just says words and his victims follow through, then he pisses off and goes being mysterious for the rest of the series.
Kenzolo-folk said:
but whats the point of the characters gushing about how much of a genius he is if they don't dedicate a moment to showing it?
and we're back to square one again that it doesn't HAVE to considering that's not the point of his character, etc etc.but whats the point of the characters gushing about how much of a genius he is if they don't dedicate a moment to showing it?
On a side note
Kenzolo-folk said:
The main word people in this fandom use when describing him is "manipulator."
then it's those people's fault for mislabeling him as a so-called "manipulator" and yourself for buying it, not the character himself.The main word people in this fandom use when describing him is "manipulator."
Kenzolo-folk said:
Yet his manipulations put into practice are crap, it's not believable.
i'd love to hear you justify this besides that Richard scene.Yet his manipulations put into practice are crap, it's not believable.
Kenzolo-folk said:
As opposed to a lot of villians like Aizen
in what way is Aizen a "big brain" manipulator?As opposed to a lot of villians like Aizen
Kenzolo-folk said:
Why isn't it?
no i'm talking about the Richard scene. Your idea wasWhy isn't it?
Kenzolo-folk said:
Like who is actually taking this seriously irl??
so if "it's unrealistic" is your criticism then it MUST have been proven to be unrealistic one way or the other but there hasn't been any proof for this afaik and you suddenly throwing in "hard to believe" simply undermines the realism that you so fight for. It just becomes a game of faith or lackethereof which isn't an "irl" evidence whatsoever.Like who is actually taking this seriously irl??
Kenzolo-folk said:
I already justified it, I showed you one of his corny speeches
"showing" =/= justifying.I already justified it, I showed you one of his corny speeches
Kenzolo-folk said:
Bro what.... It takes one look at Brauns history to make up some bs to get under his skin.
reading history =/= knowing what state of mind that that person is currently in and what exact thing you should say to them as well as what kind of reaction it'd trigger.Bro what.... It takes one look at Brauns history to make up some bs to get under his skin.
Bro for serious you should learn to use LOGIC in a discussion like this instead of emotionally throwing "bs" here and there like a spoiled brat.
Kenzolo-folk said:
It's pretty damn basic. How specific do you want me to go? third twice removed basic in writing?
bruh what are you on about?It's pretty damn basic. How specific do you want me to go? third twice removed basic in writing?
Kenzolo-folk said:
He's a "manipulative serial killer." The point is that he's unique and special.
how does this point to "only Johan could have come up with that speech"?He's a "manipulative serial killer." The point is that he's unique and special.
Kenzolo-folk said:
Get off Johan's nut's holy shit bruh
Get off of Johan's haters nut's holy shit bruhGet off Johan's nut's holy shit bruh
If you can say it so can i.
| @TRC_Randy I don’t care, johan is still an overrated Villian. They say he’s smart, but they don’t show it. Moving on. |
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I don’t care, johan is still an overrated Villian. They say he’s smart, but they don’t show it.
Moving on.
I don’t care, johan is still an overrated Villian. They say he’s smart, but they don’t show it.
Moving on.
| @Kenzolo-folk bruh you came back ONE MONTH LATER just to whine? Lol, grow up. |
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@Kenzolo-folk bruh you came back ONE MONTH LATER just to whine? Lol, grow up.
| @TRC_Randy I got banned lmao. Im not the type to leave someone’s response hanging |
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Kenzolo-folk said: ahhhh... I can see why. Good job MAL.I got banned lmao. |
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Kenzolo-folk said:
I got banned lmao.
ahhhh... I can see why. Good job MAL.I got banned lmao.
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believe me, it feels good knowing im not liked by a community full of lolicons and wannabe intellectuals.
believe me, it feels good knowing im not liked by a community full of lolicons and wannabe intellectuals.
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@Kenzolo-folk "wannabe intellectuals" you mean like you?
| @TRC_Randy no actually im talking about you |
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| @Kenzolo-folk yeah cope Miss Wannabe Intellectual. Kenzolo-folk said: most lukewarm insult ive heard in my life lmao  |
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@Kenzolo-folk yeah cope Miss Wannabe Intellectual.
Kenzolo-folk said:
most lukewarm insult ive heard in my life lmao
most lukewarm insult ive heard in my life lmao
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| Sho-chan the emperor of Japan in Gintama, he has done some ridiculous things with the odds jobs and shinsengumi etc, with a serious face while wearing tight briefs |
| Johan from monster. He is perfect example of walking plot device , plot armour and plot convenience. |
| Aizen in Bleach. His IQ on paper is actually insane. He's a cold mastermind you probably don't want to mess with and he has the potential to develop more ideals explicit to both his character (fighting or not) and how they coincide with the protagonists. Looking further at his actual, however, his only narrative purpose is spitting out philosophical ideas in the middle of the battle for the sake of displaying his concepts instead of... you know? focusing on his development. It's a shame how much untapped potential he holds only to turn out to be a generic villains trying to look intelligent. Let's face it, characters spitting out "smart" words just to appear "smarter" is one of the worst writing attempts in any piece of fiction simply because you display what you believe is more right and then you just leave it on the floor, probably never to carry it ever again. Aizen perfectly fits in that category, especially knowing that he gets trashed by asspulls which doesn't look too much, even for a problem but because Bleach adds too many characters with most of them being smacked out without proper context, Aizen incredibly falls short. |
| Light is not that smart. He thought of ruling through fear but the rules of the death note allow for controlling peoples actions which has far more ability to change the world. In fact i found a loophole there is nothing stopping him from controlling actions then stopping their death then just repeat the process. Literally could control every world leader and rich person. Didnt even have to kill escaped criminals just make them turn themselves in. Though i assume the author probably missed this OP loophole lol |
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