Jujutsu Kaisen Chapter 264 Discussion

TrivialPawn96 said:
@itsrooks lmao there is reaching and then there’s this 🤣🤣. You clowns think everything is “foreshadowing” 💀

nhojn said:
@Confused_100 How does this make every other fight useless?
Gojo damaged Sukuna enough to where he is unable to use malevolent shrine, Higuruma confiscated kamutoke, Maki stabbed his heart and cut off two of his hands, Yuta used his domain and even used Kenjaku's ability to possess Gojo's body to counteract another domain battle from Sukuna along with sending a hollow purple, Inumaki was there to have Sukuna be held down to be hit by Yuta's hollow purple, Larue helps distract Sukuna for Yuji to hit a black flash which is the catalyst for Yuji's awakening, and Yuji has hit Sukuna with 8 black flashes and a dismantle before finally hitting him with a domain expansion.
There are plenty of things I didn't mention, but its all to say that this chapter was the culmination of all the contributions the sorcerers have made for the past like 40 chapters. Yuji did not have access to a DE at the start of this fight, and Sukuna at full power would have turned everyone not named Gojo into minced meat.
You say this fight is bloated, I think you might feel this way because Gege has taken several break weeks throughout the run of the arc but you might feel differently when it is complete and you can read it again in its entirety. I know some people feel like there has been a loop going on and the story is not progressing at all, but there probably isn't even much more of a story to progress towards considering that this is most likely the final arc of JJK. The end of Sukuna is probably when the story will end so I mean would you have preferred him to have been killed 30 chapters ago? If that were to have happened then we wouldn't see a lot of things that were being built up like Yuji's or Yuta's domains.

thebrentinator24 said:
@BlizzardBoy026 Yup, truly sad. They read a chapter, don't like what they see, toss out a "bad writing" allegation with no further explanation, and move on. Rinse and repeat the following week.

This has been fire and no one can convince me otherwise 🤷

thebrentinator24 said:
@Confused_100 Sure call me a fake fan (I'm not btw) I'm not gonna bother arguing, if that's what you wanna believe then go ahead 👍

Oh and btw just to point out something, you keep mentioning how Sukuna should have been affected by Jacob's Ladder but instead tanked it like it was nothing, he literally explained in the chapter that JL's output was greatly weakened because Angel only had one of her arms which was why he could tank it the way he did. I imagine if she had both arms things would have been different.

And one last thing, idk why you took personal offense to what I said when I didn't specifically single you out. I was talking in a general sense lol, especially with what I see not just here on MAL but on Twitter too.

I love how you said domain but ignored the fact that Sukuna shouldn’t have been able to use domain after he just used it against everyone

His hands grew back and that fight with maki is literally useless

The hollow purple didn’t hit btw

Like how he should have been affected by Jacob’s ladder

Yuji didn’t have DE at start of fight? Sure… He just learned it within the fight? Lol

we all know Yuji is the one who will win against Sukuna

Confused_100 said:

Amazing chapter that literally has “back to zero” and made every other fight feel like useless. The only amazing part of the chapter was literally Yuji other than that it was complete trash writing.

nhojn said:
@Confused_100

The manga CLEARLY states in chapter 258: "Ryomen Sukuna's rush of black flashes allowed his malevolent shrine to burst forth once more...". It then even later goes on to say in chapter 260: "Sukuna's incredible efficiency meant that despite his cursed energy levels dropping to that of Okkotsu Yuta... If he were to recover his burnt-out technique, he would be able to utilize domain expansion as many times as needed." Which gives further explanation as to why he is able to use it against Yuji, Todo, and Yuta.


His hands were removed for several chapters rendering him unable to use Strong Cleave, so Maki's efforts were not useless. If she never did that, Sukuna could simply look at anyone he wanted and just remove them from the story completely.


.... It literally did? Read the first pages of chapter 263 and it starts with Sukuna stating in plain text "He pulled it off, as powerful as purple may be, he's still not fully comfortable using it." The entire chapter leading up to the hollow purple landing was to explain how just because Yuta is in Gojo's body, it doesn't mean he can use Gojo's assets/body to the same extent as Gojo. I actually have no idea how you missed this because this all ties back into Gojo and Geto's discussion about whether Gojo is the strongest because he is Gojo or because of the gifts he was born with.


Once again quoting the manga this time this weeks chapter, Jacob's Ladder is "a strong technique in a weak shell... losing one of their arms makes that fact all the more true. They aren't able to garner the same output they did back then." Add to the fact that Sukuna was vastly weaker during his first instance being hit with Jacob's Ladder, is it entirely unbelievable that a stronger and more aware Sukuna is able to speed blitz through a weaker Jacob's Ladder? Also this isn't the first time we have heard of missing limbs affecting a technique, the same issue ultimately led to Naobito's demise to Jogo's flames back in Shibuya.


Yes, he learned it in the fight. Just like how Gojo and Higuruma both learned RCT on the verge of death and how Megumi unlocks DE against the cursed finger bearer. It is a thing in real life and in stories where people placed into extreme circumstances undergo changes. I'll even go ahead and explain that this is used to show character progression. Once again I have no idea how you are not picking up on this stuff.


This is a horrible argument to be making especially in regards to a SHONEN story. Obviously the villain will lose in the end of a story aimed at teenagers/young kids. Sukuna is also not healing through these attacks, he regains the ability to use RCT again in this weeks chapter. He is simply tanking all the shots he has been dealt so far. It looks as if nothing is doing anything to him because him and Gojo are the pinnacle of the universe, no one else comes close to them at all when it comes to stamina, health, and strength. However while he has healed his external injuries now, his connection to Megumi's soul is very weak currently thanks to the attacks from Yuji.

I can't tell if you're being serious but I figured I might as well reply anyway in the off chance you are being genuine. I hope from these replies you have come to the conclusion that a second look at the arc can help clear up any of the issues you are having with it.

Griffith_HoL said:
Where are y’all reading it?

the manga telling you that “yeah these moves makes it so that he gets these back” isn’t good writing.

Him not “looking at someone” and using his CT because of his 2 hands, well then again you ignored the main point lol

Hollow purple clearly didn’t hit Sukuna

you are acting like yeah that technique isn’t as powerfu

Yuji didn’t learn DE within the fight

You definitely defend dragon ball fights

nhojn said:
@Confused_100


Black Flashes helping restore techniques or helping bringing out 120% of a user's max potential is not a new concept because I can clearly remember that it has been there since Shibuya.


It is not useless because Sukuna is unable to use one of his strongest attacks thanks to Maki. This chapter was the culmination of all the fights previously that were leading up to this moment. Show me proof in the manga at any point where it said or showed explicitly that Yuji had access to DE before this fight.


I pointed out exactly what section in a particular chapter you can look at for confirmation that it landed. I even explained why Yuta's hollow purple not killing Sukuna makes perfect sense narratively. Go back and look through the chapter as many times as you want, it will always say that it landed.


I already explained the current Sukuna is more powerful than Sukuna who already was hit with Jacob's Ladder. I'll even help you understand by pointing out that Megumi was actively fighting against Sukuna's hold when it first happened, something that clearly isn't happening right now in the manga. Do you genuinely think Sukuna isn't more aware of the attack and what it can do after being struck by it the first time? The whole "maximum output" does not correlate to it being some powerful one-shot ability anymore, especially with Kurusu missing an arm. It can very easily be explained as given her current very limited amount of cursed energy she can use for the attack, she is using as much she can for this attack. Think of a weak character like Haruta, if he used a "maximum output" technique do you think that it will do anything to someone like Sukuna?


What do you think the final page of chapter 256 signifies? It is to show to the reader that Yuji is awakening to his potential (RCT, DE, shrine cursed techniques).


Why do you keep bringing up Dragon Ball especially in a negative manner? Are you old enough to be aware that most of your favorite shonen series wouldn't exist without it?

It is definitely in your best interest to not reply to me. The longer this goes on the more clear it becomes you have no idea what you are talking about, partly because it looks like you don't even bother trying to process what you see on a page. Calling writing inconsistent and bad isn't a valid form of criticism when you blatantly can't be bothered to do the bare minimum by actually paying attention to the source material.
I think we are noticing a common trend here where you not reading is what is ultimately leading to you being confused.
At some point you should hold yourself accountable for your own lack of critical thinking instead of believing the things that you are failing to understand is simply "bad writing."

EDIT: I went back and rephrased some things so I come off as less harsh since its quite obvious you're a kid lol.

You literally ignored the main point again

You are both sensitive and not genuine

just because I criticise with logic

Not my fault that you don’t care about the series and don’t understand what good writing is

Not my fault you throw insults and then revise yourself

most likely I am older than you

So have a nice day and go away fake fan.

nhojn said:
@Confused_100

Alright, I can't be bothered to talk to you anymore after this post lol.


You talked about how Sukuna being able to use shrine was bad writing. I told you how it wasn't.
You talked about how everything until Yuji's DE was useless. I told you several times how it wasn't.
You talked about how Yuta's hollow purple didn't hit. I told you the exact section of a chapter to look at for proof it did. It is very funny how convinced you are that it didn't though for some reason?
You talked about Jacob's Ladder. I told you a couple explanations now why it didn't damage Sukuna as much as you think it should have. I will admit though that I agree that Gege fumbled here and at the very least should have shown Sukuna taking some actual visible damage from the move.
You talked about it being obvious Sukuna will lose and how he is taking all these hits. You saw my argument, realized I was right but didn't want to admit it and then pivoted to trashing on Dragon Ball for some reason.

You not only couldn't even give any proof from the manga itself when I asked about him being able to use DE before this fight, but you also didn't give a single actual reference to a chapter/page for any of your points and continued to state your nonsensical headcannon as fact. Good job.
You did an excellent job completely ignoring everything I pointed out which came directly from the manga and instead just talked about how you feel/think what the story is.
I definitely did not ignore any of your main points because I made sure to address them, but believe whatever you will.


💀 I'm sorry I guess? It was just so funny seeing you stating clearly wrong facts about the manga while being so confident. You know the very least you could do when getting into an argument on the internet is make sure whatever you're saying can't be disproven with a simple google search.


Your logic is Yuji, a character who is all about saving and helping people whenever there is even a slight chance, had access to DE since the start of the fight yet did not use it on a Sukuna who is unable to use Malevolent Shrine and as a result just let Higuruma and Choso both die right in front of him LOL. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂


Very ironic coming from you.


Fair enough, that is true. I guess you can walk away knowing you said one thing that was somewhat correct across our entire exchange.


Highly doubt it, usually people who are older than me at this point will at least do the bare minimum of arguing their points by stating facts from the manga instead of whatever nonsense they believe. If by chance you were actually older than me and you type/behave like this then that is very concerning.


Apparently I am being a fake fan when I show you the exact places within the source material you can refer to as proof you are completely wrong. Apparently I am also being a fake fan when I ask you for proof of your claims within the manga and you obviously can't show any because you don't actually read or pay attention to the story and just make things up. You are such a funny person.

I know I am coming off as if I think JJK has absolutely no flaws but trust me I am more than aware it does. There are several areas you could mention about it being bad in such as not exploring its characters enough/killing off characters who had potential to do more for the story. However, this current arc is not bad at all and it deserves more credit.

I tried offering you some genuine advice at the end of my last post but for some odd reason you seem to think I was simply ranting. I hope eventually as you grow up, you'll recognize the truths in my statements. Regardless, I don't bare any hate towards you and wish you well.