There is absolutely nothing wrong with this remake. It's just that, the thing that made the story special in late 2000s, isn't as special in 2020s.
Spice and Wolf (light novel)
| Holo is great and all, but you have terminal brain damage if you're watching this shit just to simp. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
| Holo is my favorite animanga female character, but that doesn't mean I read/watch Spice and Wolf just for her. Never was into waifuism, so can't relate. I don't resonate with that way of viewing female characters when it comes to objective analysis of a media product. Good characters are good characters. Lawrence is as MPDB to Holo as she is MPDG to him. Also female characters tend to get more favorites because of the audience demographic. Subaru is loads better written than Emilia and Rem combined, but still has the least amount of favourites amongst the three. So all you have written is extremely hand-wavy arguments. |
| "All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo |
| The issue here is that old fans will say "old good new bad" and new watchers have a wider range of anime to choose from: more competition = more anime with an (almost) equally charismatic femc without the "boring" economics stuff. I watched the OG last year and I prefer the remake. EDIT: Some people are rightfully complaining because a top tier dialogue-heavy LN like this one deserved a better directed remake, but it's not like the first anime adaptation was particularly outstanding to begin with. |
NirinboJul 20, 10:10 AM
| True. Of course this had more impact, back when it was new and exciting. That shouldn't surprise you. You can remake and polish all you want. But certain feelings and experiences only come once, in your life. Prime comes only once. I don't think thats necessarily because of "special girls". Who was really hyped for this remake? Old fans, with lots of nostalgia in their hearts. ...but I can where you're coming from. Think about this, tho: You are watching this as someone who already gone through 20 years of Anime, seeing these kind of things. Why can't someone who's new to Anime and someone who watches S&W now, enjoy this and maybe feel different about the things you mentioned?^^ It's all perspective. But I agree. Judging by the numbers.... keeping the ID relevant or bringing a massive amount of new people to S&W didn't work out that great. |
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| The only problem I have with the remake is that it is not as atmospheric as the OG. I loved how dark and dimly lit a lot of the scenes were in the original, streets were dull and rooms were dark. But in this all the characters just shine even in dark places so it ruins the atmosphere of a olden time fantasy world. The CGI characters also throw me out of the atmosphere, I’d much prefer it if they were just 2D characters stationary. |
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Osamunau said: Holo is, while still very popular, just not THAT special anymore. She is not as magical as she used to be. She isn't as waifu as she used to be. I disagree, Holo is still the special and magical waifu she used to be. |
DesuMaiden said: Nobody resembles me physically because I don't even physically exist. |
| I think the issue is that it is just an incredibly average and safe adaptation with nearly the exact same pacing of the original, only with some tweaks to readjust what the original changed or left out and adding a couple scenes of future Holo sprinkled once in a while talking about her story. Doesn't jump off the page in any real department and the volumes having the story feel a bit repetitive with its direction alongside fairly average production and overly bright and anemic looking colors where everything looks unnaturally glowing, the not super pretty colors makes it a relatively flat watch that is lacking a bit in atmosphere compared to an epic, 'everything is significantly better' remake that I think could have helped spiced up watching this. I will also say, this season is pretty much a short term sacrifice for long-term gain once the series is able to explore new content the original anime did not do while building a modern day fanbase and whatever is composed of them and the original together with these new seasons. For something that did have a lot of hype going for it with the announcement of a remake, Spice and Wolf's remake has gone through the motions a bit and its fine but not too remarkable, but maybe a spark can be there with that new season once there is an adaptation for Volume 6 or maybe even in this season with Volume 4 being adapted, which the original skipped. |
| Remakes will 99% of the time always be inferior to the originals. |
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Spunkert said: Remakes will 99% of the time always be inferior to the originals. Fruits Basket and FMA:B are in that 1% 😌 |
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Osamunau said: No one ever watched S&W for things other than Holo, really. Don't assume everyone's a Holo simp like you mate. Just so you know, 2024 version has way better OST, for instance. |
Osamunau said: No one ever watched S&W for things other than Holo, really. Speak for yourself. I watched and watch for the romance dynamic between the two and the economics. Holo being best girl is a bonus. I'm going to answer some other questions without directing them to anyone in particular. -The remake is not simply for nostalgia's sake. It's certainly a factor but it's more likely because fans such as myself have always been clamoring for a more complete adaptation with fewer changes. They are putting out a faithful adaptation since they didn't have enough material to adapt by 2009 to keep it going. Since the OG show had an anime original ending, a remake was likely chosen instead of a sequel so the story would flow better. -If it looks like they're copying the original storyboard then you might consider that it's being directed by the same person who directed the original. There's not really a reason to change this. There's been enough subtle changes to let it stand out. -The pacing is the same as the original because there's no reason to change it. 6 episodes per arc is very generous. -Yes, volume 4 is going to be adapted next. |
NTADJul 15, 4:49 PM
Osamunau said: Even though Spice & Wolf is primarily about interactions between Lawrence and Holo, and economics, really, for most fans, Spice & Wolf is about Holo - Holo IS Spice & Wolf. Even on this site, she is faaaaaaar away from the second most favorite character, Lawrence that is, when it comes to favorites. On the other hand, she herself doesn't seem to have gained much more new favs since this remake started. IMO, S&W was rather mature when it comes to interactions between characters in late 2000s, even antagonists weren't just saturday cartoon villains, they felt human, believable, like people one can reason with. Holo herself was special because of what she is, but also because of her rather Manic Pixie Dream Girl-like personality, even though she isn't one dimensional, if that makes sense. Characters like Lum, Minmay, Leeloo (not anime, but still) are similar to her. The thing is, in the meantime, many other "special girls" came around, and Holo is, while still very popular, just not THAT special anymore. She is not as magical as she used to be. She isn't as waifu as she used to be. No one ever watched S&W for things other than Holo, really. Without her, S&W is rather dull. If you feel this strongly about it, why are you not using your real account? |
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Reply to Dukino
@Spunkert now that's a bold faced lie. You're putting way too much faith that the first adaptation of something is always more faithful to the source material. How many botched anime adaptation are there??? Tons
| @Dukino Keep living in your own bubble buddy. And i could care less if the orginal adaptation is less faithful since i never read the source material in the first place. |
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Reply to Astrid_Bear
Spunkert said:
Remakes will 99% of the time always be inferior to the originals.
Remakes will 99% of the time always be inferior to the originals.
Fullmetal Alchemist
Fruit Baskets
Spice and Wolf
Urusei Yatsura
Need I continue?
| @Astrid_Bear All of them are inferior to the originals in my opinion. And even if it was true that they were better, that's still a tiny minority of all remakes. |
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| I have never watched the old anime, but I definitely read the manga for other things too. I always liked her of course, but the Manga has an absolutely beautiful artstyle and very aesthetic use of nudity. Also the economical mechanisms are very well explained and super interesting. For now I have to admit, that the current Anime is good, but falls way off compared to the beautiful Manga. |
| Don't care about that. But as expected of modern anime it does look ass. |
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| tbh i had kinda forgotten how "trying to be witty" Holo and Holo's relationship with Lawrence is in the early volumes i agree its not too special now, but the series needed a remake, even if it doesnt have the best production specially if they plan to adapt the entire series, maybe even to Parchment |
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| Your saturation with new media franchises and the characters and personalities that come with those doesn't mean that the luster of this media franchise has dulled for newcomers. |
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| I think, for the most part, you’re right. However, I think the animation is notably stiff and poorly rendered (same for the original anime run too TBH). If it had better animation, this would be much closer to the quality of the LN. |
Reply to dxtremecaliber
@Spunkert absolutely cappin and trollin their original counterparts surpassed them even the production is way better now its more accurate to the source material removed the uncessary waste same as S&W remake its way accurate now so its better its jusr S&W is getting exposed now
| @dxtremecaliber Your writing patterns is absolute cancerous. Either you're a bot or you were high while writing that. |
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| prob will watch it after i completely forget about it. this show made me appreciate merchant life. at least they add a new patch for holo. maybe dlc for ship trading would be good |
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