Mushoku Tensei II: Isekai Ittara Honki Dasu Part 2 Episode 5 Discussion

@curvedtree sigh..

See folks, this is what happens when you don't use your brain and go out of your way to watch a show you don't even like in the first place. You lose all sorts of nuance because somehow the information the story is trying to tell you needs to be spoonfed to you just so you could understand.

Media literacy is dead...

@Piromysl Your bias towards the show is showing, the difference is that we are in opposite sides of the spectrum and my disliking it make me "wrong", even though you didn't counter any of the points I said.

@Piromysl Your bias towards the show is showing, the difference is that we are in opposite sides of the spectrum and my disliking it make me "wrong", even though you didn't counter any of the points I said.

@curvedtree It doesn't have anything to do with "bias". What you said is objectively wrong and you have no idea why characters acted the way they do because either you were watching with screen and audio turned off or simply completely lack media literacy, because it is so damn obvious to anyone who paid attention why Rudeus overreacted here, that I cringe at the mere thought of having to explain that.

@Piromysl Once again, you don't counter anything I said and resort to attack me personally, there's nothing left to discuss.

@curvedtree To be honest, I've loved-to-liked every previous installment of MT. The first part was an easy 9/10. The beginning of the academy arc, with Clark Kent Sylphie... that'd be somewhere around a 7.

This season, so far, is a 5, generously. Some people seem to be desperate to hype what is nothing more than cheap melodrama as "peak entertainment." After five episodes, the overall storyline of the show hasn't progressed one inch, apart from painting a huge bullseye on the forehead of Sylphie. Rudy won't put himself in danger because he's now married to Sylphie, so in order to escape this loving marriage and get on with the show, she must die.

Note, I haven't read the source material, so I don't know if I'm right.

@Love_And_Forward I enjoyed season 1, it had an unique feeling to it, but in season 2 the anime became generic isekai. I kept watching because, sometimes, animes can salvage themselves and it didn't in this season and I have a feeling it will only get worse.

During season one a lot of people who didn't like protagonist still kept watching with one eye focusing on other aspects of the show and characters while ignoring the fact that in it's essence this will be depiction of particular person's life. It's not about person's adventures, or battles or romance only, but life in it's entirety. With hype, boring, happy and dramatic pages. Season 2 focuses entirely on protagonist being left alone in shambles, building himself up from ground zero. Which is not the same type of story season one told, obviously. You can dislike this page of protagonist life, it's fair. But it doesn't make story bad, it only means that you didn't understand what is this show all about or didn't want to accept it. But now you're kinda forced to.

@al_vl Another priest has come to preach at us lowly plebs from his tall ivory tower.

By the way, I understood. It doesn't make it well-written, well-paced or even engaging.

I'll quote a critique I wrote of the Walking Dead ten years ago.

@curvedtree Well, actually I'd disagree there. I think this season, so far, has been a major slump - and it's not like the first part of it was great either - but despite not having read the manga, I do know that there is a lot of source material to draw from, so I am at least expecting improvement from this farce. The problem is that the show is so uniquely poorly paced at this point, I have to question if it will pull in the viewers needed for renewal.

I mean, it's a real sign of problems when the fans have to make-believe complexity and nuance that just isn't there. If you want to do a slow anime, you better have to be intelligent about it, and MT isn't intelligent. There was one poster here who gushed over Norn's "character arc." What arc? You'd be forgiven for failing to remember she existed in the first place before this episode. Her character arc is "Big Bro Bad! Nyaaaaaaa!!!"

@Love_And_Forward I just think you are mixing "I don't like" with "It is bad". It is not that hard to see that show is still popular and praised. You found yourself in opposition and trying really hard explain it by the most convenient reason possible (which is "world is crazy, not me"). Usually explanation is pretty simple. It has high rating because it is not bad and you don't like it because of your preferences, which is your problem, not show's.

Everything you are stating as a fact another person can counter with reversed evaluation and there will be no way to prove them wrong. Because there's no right and wrong in preferences.

@Love_And_Forward I don't think the show will have any problem getting a new season, people that watch and enjoy this despite its issues are the same kind of people that watch Re:Zero, and the latter always gets renewed. So fans shouldn't worry, even because they don't think the show is currently bad, they see themselves on Rudeus and they think criticising the show is a critic to themselves, they don't know how to differentiate those two things.

@curvedtree Well, for me it's a matter of finding the first season brilliant, the second devolving into a generic/OP isekai that was still funny and worth watching, and now to the point where I actually left off watching it for three weeks because I wasn't too interested and nothing seemed to move the over-all storyline. Now I watched them, and guess what, nothing happened.

I'm assuming my taste isn't reflective of the general audience; I wouldn't know.

I will have to say this, though, I thought the impotence twist was a good one. Most isekais wouldn't dare going there with their protagonist, and no, they didn't even take the easy way out by having the girl be an instant magical cure, they went "this calls for medical treatment." Applause :)

@Love_And_Forward I disagree, dude had impotence because a 15 years old (I don't quite remember if the redhead girl was younger or older, but they were around the same age) girl broke his heart after his first time? I understand he has a mind of a 50 years old man, but his body is still of a 15 years old teen, so what is it: are we supposed to accept a 15 years old is having DE because his heart was broken? Or are we talking about a 50 years old man having impotence - which is more common -, but at the same time we would have to accept he was a paedophile?

I am okay with fantasy elements, you can't use logic with that and I accept it, but when it comes to things you can use logic, the author better makes his logic make sense and a breaking heart causing DE is BS, so it leaves only one option.

@curvedtree The whole reason I found this noteworthy is this is absolutely not something you'd expect a power fantasy isekai to do.

Also, being attracted to 15-year-old girls isn't "paedophilia." And Rufeus' age is the one thing I view as a dead giveaway for the endgame, he's exactly the same age as Roxy.