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| Finally Ace is free XD..now how will they escape |
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| Finally the rescue of Ace is finished. The thing now is, Whitebeard will probably die and may be Ace will join the Strawhat Crew? Random thoughts :-) |
| WOw ... Little past ... Garp was punched by Luffy ... Sengoku became huge ! And Mr 3 is here ! Ace is safe ! |
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| man that was fucking awesome o_O Ace is finally free, and he will PWN EVERYONE this arc needs to end in 1 chapter |
| Luffy beat Garp fast i like it no 3 was there haha i like it Ace's time to kick ass i like it |
| I agree with above posters. I'm happy that it's finally moving forward again and this particular chapter was awesome. Now to get the hell out of there! Come on Oda, give us back the crew! |
| Fucking awesome! It's touching to see Bentham had some influence on Galdino ^^ |
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| I wonder .. what's the point of reading 571 if u knew Ace was going to be freed all along? |
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mulderman said: It's touching to see Bentham had some influence on Galdino ^^ could you be more specific ? :D |
 i was as happy as luffy when i read this page XDDDDDDDDDDd |
smokes said: mulderman said: It's touching to see Bentham had some influence on Galdino ^^ could you be more specific ? :D Sure, Mister 3, someone who only thinks about himself. Is inspired by Mister 2's last words to Luffy. And just for once, he risks everything in order to save the day, avenging his fallen comrade from Baroque works. |
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| Finally!! Ace is back in the game! I can't wait for next week already! Sengoku's ability made me lol. It's really hilarious in its own stupid way xD |
| Oh, hell yeah. At this point, I really don't care if its logical or not for Luffy to have reached Ace, deflected Sengoku's attack, and freed him. The OP fan within myself is in utter glee at what just happened. Suffice to say, as mirichan00 noted out, next week can't come fast enough. I'm really looked forward to all the reactions everyone is going to have in response to Luffy successfully freeing Ace. And I also wonder what plan of action Ace is going to take now. Good stuff, good stuff. |
SuicideScrub said: The thing now is, Whitebeard will probably die and may be Ace will join the Strawhat Crew? Random thoughts :-) nope. neither oda said he doesn't want to let characters die. whitebeard will probably "retire" as a pirate <.< as for ace joining luffy. well. no, it'd be too much of a power up for the crew AND, ace is stronger than luffy, why would he be his subordinate? that said, I liked the chapter and look forward to the next one :3 |
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| right on that last page all i could say was AAACCCEEE!! finally after so many chapters the stories starting to move.... radiantfire said: Sengoku's ability is... kinda crappy IMO. my thoughts exactly, for being the head honcho, he don't amount to much |
| So 'Sengoku the Buddah' ate the Buddah fruit. Who would have thought? |
| It wasn't that hard to guess that Garp was going to let Luffy through, but this chapter was AWESOMENESS!!! XD |
| FINALLY! 8D |
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| AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! good chapter. cant wait to see this in the anime. |
| Sengoku was definitely weird. But I overall liked the chapter, it was good to finally see Ace free'd. Now lets see how they all get the fuck out there. Wonder if the supernovas come in and save the day? O_o |
burntlettuce said: Sengoku was definitely weird. But I overall liked the chapter, it was good to finally see Ace free'd. Now lets see how they all get the fuck out there. Wonder if the supernovas come in and save the day? O_o lmao, i say again, what the hell does the supernova have to do with ace/whitebeard ? -_- they are pirates who kill each other not help each other... they went in new world. period |
| Pfft, Oda-sensei just ruined the best One Piece arc to date. For the very first time on this forum(ever, in-fact) I'm seriously asking myself why people think, a chapter of One Piece was any good -_- I can accept what The Fist did, but what follows is just pure bull. >Firstly, Luffy reaches the platform, waltz on over to Ace and jubilantly works on his cuffs. All the while Sengoku is standing right there! What -_- ??? How realistic is this???? And wasn't He clenching his fists some chapters ago edging to join the fight? >And what does the worlds greatest strategist have in mind? Could it be to kick away or insta-kill the Mugiwara whom is many times weaker than He is? No chance, such logic is too expected of someone of his (in)aptitude. Rather waste time transforming in order to squash them both and risk touching the sea stone handcuffs in the process o_O >Whilst The Great Strategist brandishes his ineptitude, a new challenger arrives in the form of Kizaru. Utilizing the same thought process that landed him a seat as Admiral, decides to demonstrate his impressive marksmanship by cutting a key(many times thinner than Luffy's NECK) in half, using his light beam >_> >Queue unconscious character X which just so happens to be Key copy expert Mr.3, utter bull ~_~ *Put's on game face* This chapter was absolutely ridiculous and if you don't think so then, please explain to me, that is, if you really care about One Piece. Why you'd think otherwise... |
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| where's blackbeard? I'm sure he's going to be appear again and finish off ace or something. |
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| sengoku got huge! and ace is free, yay! |
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gastricjuice said: First of, let me start of by saying that I also agree that this chapter -- logically speaking -- makes no sense in many regards, most pointed out by you. But let me play devil's advocate on some points: I would assume that Sengoku wanted to finish off both Luffy and Ace at the same time, thus is why he transformed. To date, we really do not know what kind of power Sengoku has without the use of the Devil Fruit. We really haven't seen him in action at all. Sure, to be the top man on the Marines, you must have strength, but who's to say that strength is all DF power. Who knows. Again, it makes sense to me that Sengoku wanted to finish both of them off in one hit, and thus, he transformed. Now, on the other hand, what doesn't make sense to me, is why he didn't kill Ace last chapter, or the chapter before. Especially with all the Whitebeard pirates down for the count. THAT, more than this chapter, really is illogical. But its shounen, so you have to keep that in mind. As for Kizaru's attack, yeah, it really doesn't make too much sense why he aimed at the key rather than Luffy. One could argue that if the beam was aimed at Luffy, even if he was hit, the key would not have been destroyed, and hence, still the possibility of Ace being free. And as long as that possibility remains, he could be free. That's what the marines want to avoid at all costs. And given what Luffy has already shown in the battle, he probably would have gotten up again anyway. As for Mr. 3, I honestly don't have a rebuttal against that. I even found that to be a cheap way for Oda to put a little more suspense. But I'm as sure that Oda wants to put an end to this arc at some point, and he might have decided that this chapter would be the beginning of the end, so the speak. *Shrugs* Anyway, I'm not going to argue the point any longer. I just presented some other points of view that I came up with since reading the chapter. Take it as you will. |
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| the arc needed to end quickly.. and about sengoku he just wanted to finish them both, not only one.. tho we have to wait for the next chapter.. the garp scene was perfect |
| The Garp scene was perfectly done yes. I think it's because just this once, Sengoku kinda panicked. Yea he could have grabbed Luffy and beat the shit out of him, but remember he has pretty much all the pirates on his side. If he didn't go all out, Whitebeard might have executed a last ditch effort (like another huge quake) to take Sengoku down. The execution of Ace has also been delayed waay too much. Sure they could have done this sooner, but it's for the sake of dramatic tension. Don't bring real life logic into shounen please. So he did what I would do as well. Turn into a giant freaking buddha and squishing them both right there. Not only taking away the very reason the pirates fight, but crushing their hopes with it as well. He just didn't expect Luffy to use a gear third balloon to counter it. Now about Mister 3. It was already hinted at when Mister 2 was left behind in ID. Just this once he decides to do something unselfish and risk life and limb in order to grant his former partner's last wish. Sure the entire scene could have been left out, but come on! It's Oda. He loves his characters, and this was a great chance to give a less popular character like Mister 3 a chance to shine. Mister 3 also probably got some help from his former boss. (I take down those 2 guards, you switch places with one of the reserves. Then pretend to execute Ace, only to strike the guard ahead of you) Mr 3 was the perfect candidate because of his wax powers This arc needs to end. Another chapter with Luffy getting passed Garp, only to be stopped by Sengoku this time... Would have pissed off more people than this chapter could ever do. Edit: Dang I keep editing this thing lol. Mister 3 also said during IP that he had to watch outl because he just might consider Luffy a friend if he's not careful. And we all know Luffy has the power to rally people behind him. |
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| the climax has been reached that felt way to easy |
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suterujesu said: edit: ON SECOND THOUGHT. Didn't CROC kill the original guards a few chapters back, and they were shortly replaced with new ones? That's probably where Mr. 3 came from. Yes, he did. I was looking for the right pages and wanted to post the same. Mr. 3 probably used that chance and switched places with one of the executioners. |
smokes said: burntlettuce said: Sengoku was definitely weird. But I overall liked the chapter, it was good to finally see Ace free'd. Now lets see how they all get the fuck out there. Wonder if the supernovas come in and save the day? O_o lmao, i say again, what the hell does the supernova have to do with ace/whitebeard ? -_- they are pirates who kill each other not help each other... they went in new world. period Did you not read all the chapters in this arc? There was a chapter clearing showing the Supernova's interested in this fight and Law even gathering his crew to go there. I am just wanting to see how Oda brings them back into the mix. Edit: Link 565 Don't feel like posting the image just re-read. |
burntlettuceJan 20, 2010 3:09 PM
gastricjuice said: *Put's on game face* This chapter was absolutely ridiculous and if you don't think so then, please explain to me, that is, if you really care about One Piece. Why you'd think otherwise... Alright I'll give it a shot I suppose. gastricjuice said: >Firstly, Luffy reaches the platform, waltz on over to Ace and jubilantly works on his cuffs. All the while Sengoku is standing right there! What -_- ??? How realistic is this???? And wasn't He clenching his fists some chapters ago edging to join the fight? >And what does the worlds greatest strategist have in mind? Could it be to kick away or insta-kill the Mugiwara whom is many times weaker than He is? No chance, such logic is too expected of someone of his (in)aptitude. Rather waste time transforming in order to squash them both and risk touching the sea stone handcuffs in the process o_O Wait, was Sengoku just "standing right there" or was he "wasting time transforming"? Let me attempt to go over this scene:
That's how things played out to me. Yes a lot of stuff happened, but it was all in a matter of seconds. Ace barely had enough time to get two words out before Sengoku had transformed. Also it was most likely Sengoku's intention to connect his punch with Luffy, who in turn would connect with Ace. I doubt he was at much risk of touching the tiny seastone handcuffs. Also someone as smart as Sengoku probably knew that his transformed uh.. form would have the best chance at taking out Luffy. Also he might not have known that Luffy had the key until Luffy announced it thus he didn't have as much reason to strike with urgency. Also I'm rambling... gastricjuice said: >Whilst The Great Strategist brandishes his ineptitude, a new challenger arrives in the form of Kizaru. Utilizing the same thought process that landed him a seat as Admiral, decides to demonstrate his impressive marksmanship by cutting a key(many times thinner than Luffy's NECK) in half, using his light beam >_> I admit there really isn't much explanation for Kizaru's choice other than what vindemon said about destroying any chance of opening the cuffs rather than attempting to take out a weak opponent like Luffy (who could be handled by the now-transformed Sengoku). gastricjuice said: >Queue unconscious character X which just so happens to be Key copy expert Mr.3, utter bull ~_~ . As noted already in the thread, Galdino was touched by his former comrade Bentham's devotion to help Luffy at Impel Down and chose to do the same. Since he does have such a useful ability, he decided to disguise himself as one of the soldier's who would deliver the final blow. This gave him what was likely the best chance at freeing Ace without drawing prior suspicion (remember he received his position in Baroque Works primarily because of his intellect). Obviously before he took his chance he was knocked out by Luffy's Haki. Yes it is pretty coincidental that he regained consciousness just after the only other key was destroyed, but that's no big deal. Really I get your arguments and I can see why you were initially put off by this chapter, but I think you're overreacting to a few small logical errors and coincidences. Hope this helps you enjoy the chapter a bit more :) |
vindemon said: You have a point about Sengoku killing ace, but if you consider the status hierarchies, it's perfectly logical for Sengoku to not stain his own hands by Killing a lackey like Ace himself. If it was Shanks or The Whitebeard then it really wouldn't matter. In fact killing them himself would be best.I would assume that Sengoku wanted to finish off both Luffy and Ace at the same time, thus is why he transformed. To date, we really do not know what kind of power Sengoku has without the use of the Devil Fruit. We really haven't seen him in action at all. Sure, to be the top man on the Marines, you must have strength, but who's to say that strength is all DF power. Who knows. Again, it makes sense to me that Sengoku wanted to finish both of them off in one hit, and thus, he transformed. Now, on the other hand, what doesn't make sense to me, is why he didn't kill Ace last chapter, or the chapter before. Especially with all the Whitebeard pirates down for the count. THAT, more than this chapter, really is illogical. But its shounen, so you have to keep that in mind. vindemon said: There was no reason for kizaru to not have killed muguwara at that point. And the ony justification i can think of, is the possibility that His light beam could have hit Sengoku if he aimed it at Luffy's vitals. The distance at which he hit such a small object is also ridiculous!As for Kizaru's attack, yeah, it really doesn't make too much sense why he aimed at the key rather than Luffy. One could argue that if the beam was aimed at Luffy, even if he was hit, the key would not have been destroyed, and hence, still the possibility of Ace being free. And as long as that possibility remains, he could be free. That's what the marines want to avoid at all costs. And given what Luffy has already shown in the battle, he probably would have gotten up again anyway. vindemon said: I also felt that the Key cutting and Mr3's surprise consciousness was a cheap jot at suspense. A grossly amateurish one at that!As for Mr. 3, I honestly don't have a rebuttal against that. I even found that to be a cheap way for Oda to put a little more suspense. But I'm as sure that Oda wants to put an end to this arc at some point, and he might have decided that this chapter would be the beginning of the end, so the speak. *Shrugs* suterujesu said: Oh yeah, that should be right. Forgot about that, thanks!ON SECOND THOUGHT. Didn't CROC kill the original guards a few chapters back, and they were shortly replaced with new ones? That's probably where Mr. 3 came from. dragafire said: the climax has been reached that felt way to easy This. Somebody said: Good points, but why Sengoku let him get on the platform and next to Ace in the first place is in itself questionable. Ace isn't really chained down to anything is he? Luffy could've jumped of the platform with him.That's how things played out to me. Yes a lot of stuff happened, but it was all in a matter of seconds. Ace barely had enough time to get two words out before Sengoku had transformed. Also it was most likely Sengoku's intention to connect his punch with Luffy, who in turn would connect with Ace. I doubt he was at much risk of touching the tiny seastone handcuffs. Also someone as smart as Sengoku probably knew that his transformed uh.. form would have the best chance at taking out Luffy. Also he might not have known that Luffy had the key until Luffy announced it thus he didn't have as much reason to strike with urgency. Also I'm rambling... Somebody said: Sengoku could've handled Luffy and Ace regardless of his transformation. Thinking about it, just look at how Garp fell...I admit there really isn't much explanation for Kizaru's choice other than what vindemon said about destroying any chance of opening the cuffs rather than attempting to take out a weak opponent like Luffy (who could be handled by the now-transformed Sengoku). Somebody said: I'd accept any levels of absurdity so long as it doesn't form an intergral part of a story. Personally, I can never accept such a lack luster refutable climax to a saga that began over 130 chapters ago when Ace faced off against The Bleackbeard. Obviously Oda-sensei planned a "war" from the very beginning. He had the Mugiwara earn Kuma's favour which resulted in their timely dispersal to different islands and blues to protect them from the coming events. The climax simply doesn't satisfy the buildup. Before this chapter i was seriously thinking it would surpass Robin's ark. The emotional factor was there between Luffy and Garp and Ace, much like in robins case. I practically wept when Robin shouted she wants to live. Isn't this the same situation with Garp!!??? His resolve is rock solid but even a diamond can be cut in half(which is why i commented "does luffy have the right kind of chisel?" on the last discussion thread). A scenario under this light would've been a lot more epic! I am throughly disappointed in Oda-sensei.Really I get your arguments and I can see why you were initially put off by this chapter, but I think you're overreacting to a few small logical errors and coincidences. Hope this helps you enjoy the chapter a bit more :) Anyway, it's awfully hypocritical of me to so soundly criticize a work i have essentially stolen! But i plan on buying the entire volumes so... i'm criticizing, for when I own them.... ehem.... *cough* Anyway, I think everyone agrees that it could have been a bit more epic(that's the vibe i'm getting anyways)... Or is that still on the way? Whitebeard don't let me down ;) mulderman said: LOL!Don't bring real life logic into shounen please. |
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| ok guys chill out.. mulderman said: Another chapter with Luffy getting passed Garp, only to be stopped by Sengoku this time... Would have pissed off more people than this chapter could ever do. THIS. |
| We still haven't reached the climax. Sure is is rescued, but they're still not out of the fire yet. Whitebeard also has to go out in a blaze of glory. And don't give me that lol crap. Oda is telling a fantasy story. That means every now and then you have to twist the logic of what's reasonable/realistic in order to provide some dramatic tension. |
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gastricjuice said: vindemon said: There was no reason for kizaru to not have killed muguwara at that point. And the ony justification i can think of, is the possibility that His light beam could have hit Sengoku if he aimed it at Luffy's vitals. The distance at which he hit such a small object is also ridiculous!As for Kizaru's attack, yeah, it really doesn't make too much sense why he aimed at the key rather than Luffy. One could argue that if the beam was aimed at Luffy, even if he was hit, the key would not have been destroyed, and hence, still the possibility of Ace being free. And as long as that possibility remains, he could be free. That's what the marines want to avoid at all costs. And given what Luffy has already shown in the battle, he probably would have gotten up again anyway. *Sigh* You completely missed my point. There are two main points of this war in the eyes of the Marines. Execute Ace and use Ace to lure Whitebeard out so they can kill him as well. Kizaru aimed for the key because it is the ONLY way Ace's cuffs can be unlocked (of course, we are assuming that fact that no one knows about Mr. 3 yet). So as long as that is taken away, it doesn't matter if Luffy reaches Ace or not. What is he going to do? Ace will still be helpless and can't do anything. Thus, him aiming for the key. Again, like I said, even if Kizaru aimed for Luffy, he wouldn't have killed him (as Luffy has already proved time and time again that he'll get up from these attacks) and not to mention, the key would still be available, thus, the possibility of a worst-case scenario of Ace being free and able to use his DF powers. Who's to say that Kizaru would have gotten a good chance to destroy the key again? Anyway, you also have to stop making conclusions about this arc. It's not even finished yet! One of the reasons you liked the Enies Lobby arc so much is because it's done, you've probably seen it animated and you have had time to reflect and compare it. As you noted, you really should wait till the arc is done and then view it as a whole. |
| I'm not giving you lol crap. Your comment is very funny, actually. Anyway, i should have responded to your first post, but i addressed those issues and made my peace at the end of my previous post. So i felt pardoned for any(one/thing) i left out, obviously i wasn't. True, it's a fantasy story and a shounen but that does not excuse it from actually having a well thought out scenario. IMHO this was not very well thought out. The gaping holes I pointed out is proof enough of that, and if you're gonna treat someone to such poor choice of direction, aren't you insulting that person who gave you money to actually tell a good story? This case is elevated in the case of One Piece which is purely about the story. And saying it's okay just because it's for kids is just wrong... There is no reason for him to rush it, it's the sweetest part, why rush? Everyone knew it was going to happen and anticipated it, rather squeeze it for all it's worth then save Ace on the next chapter! They where even isolated from any interference, the perfect setup. I mean this is the same guy who wrote the Skypea saga, Alabasta saga, Cocoyashi village's saga and Enies lobby. He's good at being epic! Or maybe Oda-sensei in his infinite epic-nes has something absurdly awesome in store for us? Again, how The Whitebeard acts from this point on will be the deciding factor on whether this was all worth it. Anyway, no one is arguing negatively, just opposing opinions and sharing ideas, some call that a discussion... And since I sort of have some history here (LOL!) i'll draw my line here :P ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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| @Vindemon Attacking Luffy would've closed the breach he made on their defense by immobilizing him. At which point he and the key would be at the discretion of Sengoku. |
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gastricjuice said: @Vindemon Attacking Luffy would've closed the breach he made on their defense by immobilizing him. At which point he and the key would be at the discretion of Sengoku. With that statement, you are assuming that his attack would have knocked Luffy out. I beg to differ, given the tenacity Luffy has shown throughout this arc. Also, I would imagine that the force of Kizaru's attack would have knocked Luffy off the platform possibly, hence, the key still there. Lol, you do realize we can just keep going in circles with this argument. And oh, I also wanted to reply back to your argument that Sengoku "didn't want to get his hands dirty by executing Ace.". This page pretty much proves that Sengoku could care less who executed him, as he states that "He [Ace] will be executed by my [Sengoku] hands." Of course, given that the translators are correct. |
| Sorry i was away for a while. vindemon said: Yes, this is good. Isn't it?Lol, you do realize we can just keep going in circles with this argument. vindemon said: Kizaru's attack is a ray of highly concentrated light. The chances of a bunch of light particles pushing luffy back are zero. It would go straight through him. And he would slump to the ground. If he reacts to the pain, then psychologically he will likely jump back wards landing on the platform. But given Sengoku's incompetence, if he does jump back, He'd still get away.With that statement, you are assuming that his attack would have knocked Luffy out. I beg to differ, given the tenacity Luffy has shown throughout this arc. Also, I would imagine that the force of Kizaru's attack would have knocked Luffy off the platform possibly, hence, the key still there. vindemon said: But it also says that he has no other choice: "He will be executed by my hands!!!" He doesn't say that, he declares it! Almost like saying there is no other choice on this matter, He must act because of the immediacy of the situation. Whitebeard does the same thing with people who want to challenge him doesn't he? They aren't of equal stature to him. So he won't give them the privilege of killing them. I think.And oh, I also wanted to reply back to your argument that Sengoku "didn't want to get his hands dirty by executing Ace.". This page pretty much proves that Sengoku could care less who executed him, as he states that "He [Ace] will be executed by my [Sengoku] hands." Of course, given that the translators are correct. |
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gastricjuice said: Sorry i was away for a while. vindemon said: Yes, this is good. Isn't it?Lol, you do realize we can just keep going in circles with this argument. Haha, I'm not one who likes to keep arguing a point where someone won't budge. Like the whole Kizaru thing. I'm pretty much done with that. I presented another argument, you're adamantly against it, so anything else I say really isn't necessary. gastricjuice said: vindemon said: But it also says that he has no other choice: "He will be executed by my hands!!!" He doesn't say that, he declares it! Almost like saying there is no other choice on this matter, He must act because of the immediacy of the situation. Whitebeard does the same thing with people who want to challenge him doesn't he? They aren't of equal stature to him. So he won't give them the privilege of killing them. I think.And oh, I also wanted to reply back to your argument that Sengoku "didn't want to get his hands dirty by executing Ace.". This page pretty much proves that Sengoku could care less who executed him, as he states that "He [Ace] will be executed by my [Sengoku] hands." Of course, given that the translators are correct. ....how in the world you're able to come to that conclusion with just one panel is beyond me. No other choice in the matter? There is absolutely nothing in this chapter or before that says that or even hints at that. Equal stature? There is nothing in Sengoku's personality that has been revealed to us that even hints at him having that type of arrogance. Just because he's the top dog doesn't mean he won't get his hands dirty. Whitebeard does the same thing? I think you're mistaken on that. Whitebeard won't give people the "privilege of killing him" because he still needs to secure his son's future. He said as much a few chapters ago. He also accepts any fight; that much was shown in one of Ace's flashback. Anyway, we're getting sidetracked, and as with the Kizaru point, I really don't see what else more I can say. Everyone does interpret things differently. No big deal. Just presenting another side of the argument. |
| Ace has joined the action!! :D And Garp is ready to jeapordize his position in the marines just for the sake of his family. One hell of a guy! Sengoku's transformed form reminds of the afro dude from the drum arc. lol |
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vindemon said: Well, that's simply because your alternative theories are simply not feasible, and are just as unrealistic as Kizaru cutting that key from that distance. Thus, i did not accept them, and explained why i didn't. You really shouldn't even be arguing the matter since you, like me believe that that their actions are questionable.Haha, I'm not one who likes to keep arguing a point where someone won't budge. Like the whole Kizaru thing. I'm pretty much done with that. I presented another argument, you're adamantly against it, so anything else I say really isn't necessary. vindemon said: There is no other person on the platform, what other choice did he have, than to handle matters himself. Is what I'm saying. He made two orders on Ace's life, the first was stopped by The Crocodile, at that point he really should have taken matters into his own hands if your argument holds true. But he didn't and actually waited for a second pair of executioners.....how in the world you're able to come to that conclusion with just one panel is beyond me. No other choice in the matter? There is absolutely nothing in this chapter or before that says that or even hints at that. vindemon said: Well, it's not really arrogance per se, but rather a form of insult. It's the same reasons the lackeys are placed first on the battle field instead of the admirals. Practically, anyone of stature should maintain some form of decorum that distinguishes him from his followers and in turn makes them respect him. So there is no need for him to soil his hands by bunking Ace off unnecessarily. He could simply, have his minions do it. I feel. There is nothing in Sengoku's personality that has been revealed to us that even hints at him having that type of arrogance. Just because he's the top dog doesn't mean he won't get his hands dirty. vindemon said: Oh yeah, i forgot about that, though that is an exceptional example but it's the only one we have Ch552 - teeheee ;D He also accepts any fight; that much was shown in one of Ace's flashback. vindemon said: Right, and i'm defending my original point. Though you haven't given a point and maintained it enough to actually make me think otherwise. Which is what makes it fun. Anyway, we're getting sidetracked, and as with the Kizaru point, I really don't see what else more I can say. Everyone does interpret things differently. No big deal. Just presenting another side of the argument. In closing, you could try responding with a bit more empathy though... that would be appreciated. |
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Phoenix012 said: one word.......ACE!!!!!! I have a better word: SEX - this one describes the level of this chapter |
| *Sigh* This is why I hate to get into these types of discussions on forums. People tend to gloss over what you write, decide one does not present a good point of view because it completely contradicts what they think is right, and arbitrarily come to the conclusions that it was not well defended. And what does empathy have to do with anything? What feeling of yours should I be sharing here? I already stated that I understand where you're coming from. Again, like I've been saying all along, all I'm doing is presenting possible reasons of why things happened as they did because you were looking for those reasons. I'm not saying they are completely right or wrong, but its just one interpretation of it. You say that I haven't defended my arguments well? I can say the same exact thing to you. From what you said thus far, there's nothing that has been shown in the story that fully supports why Kizaru and Sengoku should have acted differently. I hate to beat a dead bush, but this is the whole "this thing can go around in circles infinitely." One last comment. You wrote that "anyone of stature should main some form of decorum that distinguishes him from his followers.." Have you not met Luffy? If anything, One Piece is a story that contradicts all sense of what we consider logical, while staying logical in the sense of the world Oda has created. |
| ACE IS SAAAAVED! HECK YEAH <3 First of all, Garp was 'defeated' by Luffy because he was unsure of his decision, he didn't fight Luffy with all his determination. Then, Mr. 3 just popped on the platform out of nowhere, which was random. But I don't really care about that because!! Ace is free! YES for Luffy! :D |
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| I was like at first: wtf? when did mr 3 get there?? BUT ACE IS FREE! Sengoku's ability is strange IMO too... |
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