| I’ve never understood it. Donghua are way better animated and better written than anime yet somehow people flock more to the latter and ignore the former. It’s literally got the best of both worlds by using the same artstyle as anime but having no annoying anime grunting, no monologues, better dialogues, better characterization, lack of creepy fanservice, pretty much it does everything better than anime. So why is it not popular? |
| You already asked this. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2090394&show=0 My answer remains the same: A lack of exposure. Can you name even a single Chinese animation that has been dubbed into a western language? |
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| bcz the language sounds shit to listen to. of all the languages I heard, like 25 ~ I only disliked hearing one. |
| It's because of the perceived poorer quality (sometimes justifiably so, sometimes not), lack of wide spread marketing and publishing and distribution channel And in my case as you previously said Runasius said: i mostly watch anime for fanservice thus "no fanservice = no watch."lack of creepy fanservice |
| 1. Language 2. It's not nearly as entertaining as anime imo |
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| more anime = no quality less anime = better quality |
| Difficult to pronounce titles for non chinese people might be a factor. >Yes but isn't japanese also hard to pronounce Japanese has five vowel qualities (with length distinction) and very few consonants. Mandarin has tones, a shit ton of sibilants and phonemic aspiration which is not only harder for most people except maybe the majority of indians who distinguish aspiration natively but it has also lead to a romanization system that is less intuitive that the systems used for japanese for example. |
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Lucifrost said: You already asked this. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2090394&show=0 My answer remains the same: A lack of exposure. Can you name even a single Chinese animation that has been dubbed into a western language? I have watched 2 Chinese cartoons and only one was dubbed. I don't remember the name though, it wasn't good. |
Runasius said: lack of creepy fanservice But do you know what it does have? Unironic communist propaganda. It was funny seeing the protagonist learn economy in university. |
JaniSIr said: Hmm, I wonder why they're less popular than anime? (obvious sarcasm)Lucifrost said: I have watched 2 Chinese cartoons and only one was dubbed. You already asked this. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2090394&show=0 My answer remains the same: A lack of exposure. Can you name even a single Chinese animation that has been dubbed into a western language? I don't remember the name though, it wasn't good. |
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Jellybeanx said: I have a favorable perception of imperial China. Too bad they didn't make animation back then.The majority of people in the West have negative preconceptions about China |
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| China was a pretty ghetto place until the last decade or so. Japan was also negatively perceived in the west in the 80s where majority of the electronics and cars got imported. Anime isn't just anime. It is toys, video games, card games, model kits. Anime really took off in the 80s where mobile suit gundam took the country by storm. Then there came dragon ball, evangelion, pokemon, yugioh. Plus other stuff like beyblade, bdaman, tomodachi, etc. There already have been waves of Japanese goods and they formed multi billion dollar franchises. It is really hard to catch up to Japan in the anime. They really only have genshin impact, mihoyo stuff but that only touches on gacha gaming. Not on model kits, trading cards, etc. Japan is also still 3rd in economic power. Korea can catch up but India will never catch up to the east asian countries. China can probably get close to Japan since they can manufacture everything in house. Whereas Japan often has to get have things made in China and then pass on the cost to the consumer. This is why anime figures are so expensive. Even though they are made in China, the manpower to pain and assemble figures is high. Gunpla is cheap and all made in Japan since they literally have to print the runners and the consumer builds it |
icefirestone23Jul 1, 2023 11:55 AM
Lucifrost said: Link Click, but it's obviously an exception, and one of the best CN animations there is. You already asked this. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2090394&show=0 My answer remains the same: A lack of exposure. Can you name even a single Chinese animation that has been dubbed into a western language? |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
DEMSpirit said: Majority of indians don't know any Mandarin I didn't say that indians speak mandarin. I said that most indians can distinguish aspirated from unaspirated consonants natively which is a very important part of mandarin that most languages don't have. |
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| If it's anything like manhua then it'll have the most generic, trope laden story with flat characters, worldbuilding that never gets explained and a power system based on some weird cultural reference that the author never explains. All hard carried by the animation. |
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| Donghua is shit in compression also anime is WAY older and have been established long, long time ago. |
DEMSpirit said: Theo1899 said: Every indian I have known said mandarin said and read like gibberish to them. https://www.google.com/search?q=how+closely+related+is+hindi+and+mandarin&rlz=1C1CHBF_enCA914CA914&oq=how+closely+related+is+hindi+and+mandarin&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQRRhAMgYIAhAjGCcyCQgDECMYJxiKBTINCAQQABiDARixAxiKBTIHCAUQABiABDIHCAYQABiABDIHCAcQABiABNIBCDU0MDhqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8I didn't say that indians speak mandarin. I said that most indians can distinguish aspirated from unaspirated consonants natively which is a very important part of mandarin that most languages don't have. Mandarin and Japanese are like the languages that share the most similarities due to their writing system. They are still considered the hardest langauges to learn due to Kanji and Hanzi which take ages to get used to. But knowing that is incredibly crucial to both languages. Compared to any other language that uses an alphabet system. It is way more difficult for an indian to learn chinese or japanese than a chinese to learn japanese or a japanese to learn chinese. Fluency in one of the east asian languages helps leagues where all you need to do is learn pronounciation and vocab, which is uusually easily done by recognizing kanji/hanzi. You seem to have completely misunderstood my point. What I was saying was that many indian languages share a crucial feature with mandarin that makes the pronunciation more approachable. My point was that mandarin words are hard to pronounce for most but indians would have a relatively easier time because of that feature. It was never about learning the language. |
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| I can give you a few reasons: 1. Anime industry is a lot older than the Donghua industry. 2. The Dongua industry lacks promotion and are not dubbed in English. So the Western countries are not really familiar with it. Just think about it, I think it would take another century (or maybe a little less) to produce a donghua as popular as Naruto, One Piece, DBZ, or Pokemon. 3. And I wouldn't quite say Donghua is better than anime. Yes, some of them have outstanding animation, but so does anime. Quite a lot of them are pure CGI and bad CGI. Honestly, if I am going to watch CGI animation, I would rather watch Western animated movies and shows. 4. Lastly, I think it is the lack of adaptive materials. Anime is a huge industry because manga is also a huge industry. There are hardly any good Manhua that is not BL or GL. Many people are saying they just don't like listening to Chinese. I personally don't think that is a big issue. You get used to listening to it. |
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DEMSpirit said: No, one can't know how written characters are pronounced in a foreign language just by looking at them. Do you know how "h" is pronounced in Spanish? Much like the letters of the Roman alphabet, hanzi have different pronunciations for each language. How exactly do you expect a Japanese person to be able to pronounce Chinese words? English uses fewer sounds yet the Japanese can't even pronounce those coherently!all you need to do is learn pronounciation and vocab, which is uusually easily done by recognizing kanji/hanzi. |
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Noitora33 said: That will require artistic freedom that is not possible under Emperor Xi of the CCP dynasty.I think it would take another century (or maybe a little less) to produce a donghua as popular as Naruto, One Piece, DBZ, or Pokemon. |
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Lucifrost said: Noitora33 said: That will require artistic freedom that is not possible under Emperor Xi of the CCP dynasty.I think it would take another century (or maybe a little less) to produce a donghua as popular as Naruto, One Piece, DBZ, or Pokemon. Well, I guess, China's lack of artistic freedom is another reason then. |
| Araragi-kun, genki ii ne? Nanika iikoto demo attanokai? |
| In my opinion, I have problem recognizing name, it's also felt really hard to remember. Maybe that's why? |
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| Because of made in China label like Penaldo's career |
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DEMSpirit said: Jellybeanx said: japan had the same negative reception in the west in the 80s similiar to china right now. Japanese anime didn't even take off until the 80s with Mobile Suit GUndamDonghua, in my opinion, deserves to be recognised more. The majority of people in the West have negative preconceptions about China while having favourable perceptions of Japan. There are so many biassed folks on this website, I swear. outside of the abortive, heavy-handed, "Dizzy Bots" U.S. localization attempt in the early-1990's, it wasn't until the very-late-90's/early-2000's, - and the commencement of some genuine Western GUNDAM Anime Localizations - that the franchise was generally known in the Western hemisphere as much of anything beyond a series of rather fancy BANDAI-made Model Kits.... |
MasterTasukeJul 2, 2023 6:29 AM
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| "Why is donghua less popular than anime?" 1. Prejudice. 2. Sporadic distribution to the west. |
DEMSpirit said: What, you think I'm reading Tokimeki Tonight in Italian or something? Here's a hint: I have no understanding of Italian. If YOU had any understanding of Japanese, you would know a single kanji can have several different pronunciations. They're not phonetic.You have no understanding of japanese. |
LucifrostJul 3, 2023 3:56 PM
| その目だれの目？ |
| Why is the Women's NBA less popular than the NBA? |
| "Chimp in state of nature never jerks off, but in captivity he does, wat does this mean? In state of nature he’s too busy, to put plainly. He is concerned with mastering space: solving problem of life in and under trees, mastering what tools he can, mastering social relations in the jockeying for power and status. Deprived of this drive to development and self-increase he devolves to pointless masturbation, in captivity, where he senses he is in owned space and therefore the futility of all his efforts and all his actions." |
Lucifrost said: Can you name even a single Chinese animation that has been dubbed into a western language? Like 10% of anime watchers prefer dubs and they're all Americans who can't read subtitles You can get used to it but rarely a western ould get into donghua because of how the language sounds |
| "Chimp in state of nature never jerks off, but in captivity he does, wat does this mean? In state of nature he’s too busy, to put plainly. He is concerned with mastering space: solving problem of life in and under trees, mastering what tools he can, mastering social relations in the jockeying for power and status. Deprived of this drive to development and self-increase he devolves to pointless masturbation, in captivity, where he senses he is in owned space and therefore the futility of all his efforts and all his actions." |
| Actually very few donghua have better animation quality... also, the language is hard to get used to. And it's not pretty even once you do get used to it (and no that's not racist. I'm an English speaker and English sounds horrible too). Also, Chinese censorship sucks. Massively! It's absolute crap how their government dictates stupid shit that they feel needs to be censored. There are some good donghua out there, but overall anime still wins. That may change in a few years (especially if they could fix crap censorship), but as it stands anime is still better. |
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Rissenicus said: Chad-tier answer. Donghua is souless and lame.Why is the Women's NBA less popular than the NBA? |
| :v |
| Chinese censorship is even worse than Japanese it seems. Also Mandarin is subjectively far more abrasive sounding for many Western foreigners compared to Japanese because of the tonal aspect of it. |
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| bro, the pretty animation or the things YOU personally don't like (the grounting or monologues, fanservice) are not reasons to watch or not watch donghua, is like saying "Why people like soccer when ping pong is the superior sport" bruh, people like something because is already build in the culture and have decades of being here. Your personal opinion on media doesn't matter in people's head, maybe if they endure long enough more people will watch that piece of crap ccp propaganda (hopefully not, never) |
| You say they're better, but I think to a lot of anime fans the interests of the average Chinese audience doesn't line up with their own. Also, you say they don't have fanservice, but Aishen Qiaokeli-ing... has plenty and I'm sure there's other lewd donghua out there. I do enjoy some donghua myself, but I haven't seen any that match the quality of the best anime I've seen. Donghua has only really started to gain traction recently so maybe there will be some really good ones in the next year or two, but right now it can't really compete with anime. A lot of people also don't like the way that Mandarin sounds, in fact a lot of anime fans who do watch donghua will watch them in Japanese dub. |
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| Mostly bad animation, mostly low budget, repetitive story (cultivation this, cultivation that), overly cencored, a very hard to listen language etc etc (How tf no monologues a good thing?!) |
KuroudoAkabane said: bcz the language sounds shit to listen to. of all the languages I heard, like 25 ~ I only disliked hearing one. Yes, it's quite hard on the ears for sure. Sounds like they're talking at 1.5 times speed and often in a monotonous way. Truly awful. |
| Most probably because of the language and the animation. Most of the people I've seen in the comments who don't like Donghua is because they don't like how chinese sounds like, and some becausse they don't like CGI that much. I mostly love the fact that Donghua mostly runs with a lot of episodes, which makes gives enough time for me to love the characters in the series. |
MichaelJackson said: Rissenicus said: Chad-tier answer. Donghua is souless and lame.Why is the Women's NBA less popular than the NBA? It is what it is EsieEyen said: I mostly love the fact that Donghua mostly runs with a lot of episodes, which makes gives enough time for me to love the characters in the series. "I love to eat dog turd, because there's plenty of dog turds in the street, which gives me enough time to love dog turds even more" |
| "Chimp in state of nature never jerks off, but in captivity he does, wat does this mean? In state of nature he’s too busy, to put plainly. He is concerned with mastering space: solving problem of life in and under trees, mastering what tools he can, mastering social relations in the jockeying for power and status. Deprived of this drive to development and self-increase he devolves to pointless masturbation, in captivity, where he senses he is in owned space and therefore the futility of all his efforts and all his actions." |
Rissenicus said: EsieEyen said: I mostly love the fact that Donghua mostly runs with a lot of episodes, which makes gives enough time for me to love the characters in the series. "I love to eat dog turd, because there's plenty of dog turds in the street, which gives me enough time to love dog turds even more" That is one of the best quote I've seen. |
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