| The idea of Digimon is cool, but the companion (the human) doing nothing, makes this show cringy as fuck. I can say the same about Konjiki no Gashbell and any anime like those. |
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| Digimon is Pokemon if the anime had soul. It told a story that was compelling rather than being a repetitive toy commercial. Shame about Saban's dub, though, they changed the tone and messages of a lot of the series. |
| Should they? I'm a little tired of arguing about whether people should love or hate a certain show. |
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KetchumAsh said: In every conceivable way? Thats an interesting way of phrasing it, because I've seen a general consensus that Pokemon is better overall on the video game side of things. FanofAction said: This is not true at all! Digimon is better than Pokemon in every single concievable way imaginable and it is not even a competition because Digimon has depth to its plot and characters, actual storytelling, and not just the same thing happening every episode! Only thing Pokemon has is strategy in fighting but its 80% slice of life and fake shonen so its pointless and wasted. Digimon has better anything else and itsn ot even a competition because Digimon just is better! Lost me at that first sentence. Clearly a personal problem...Also, Digimon is inferior to Pokemon if only because Ash is clearly an eternally youthful god capable of halting the aging process of everyone around him. The only plus to Digimon is that some of them are kinda hot. |
KetchumAsh said: Agree with you there @KetchumAsh I finished Digimon Survive a while ago and it was just so unique. Who knew Digimon and horror would go so well together. I suppose Ghost Game showed that it can work too.FanofAction said: Digimon has better games than Pokemon, which games are just baby rpgs that do the same thing over and over. Digimon games on the other hand are all original and different each installment... they take skill and thought to beat, and not just pressing one button... so yeah, Digimon is superior. The newest Digimon game is even a VISUAL NOVEL which is really amazing!Digimon Survive it is called, go play it and you will see how superior it is to anything Pokemons. In every conceivable way? Thats interesting way of phrasing it, because I've seen a general consensus that Pokemon is better overall on the video game side of things. As a kid I played the hell out of Digimon Rumble Arena 1 and 2. Amazing fighting games. I got into the Digimon World games a couple years ago and wow. World next order is amazing, but the first one in particular is just a masterpiece. The graphics perfectly suit my tastes, the pre-rendered backgrounds are gorgeous. I appreciate how difficult the World games are too. Nice to have a challenge. I'll always have some affection for the Pokemon games, I played them a ton as a kid. I don't think they're bad at all, I just feel like I've grown out of them by this point. |
KetchumAsh said: I said "overall". Thats means past or present. Even among Digimon fans there's been a fair amount of complaints that they haven't had any good games until recently. I'm just more or less echoing them. Also, there is some "skill" needed to get through Pokemon in certain areas. Granted those instances are few and far between. I don't even really have a dog in this race. I mean, go back to my quote and all I really did was poke fun at Pokemon for milking Ash and point out that a good amount of Digimon are sexy humans/humanoids. And for whatever reason this struck a nerve. FanofAction said: Digimon has better games than Pokemon, which games are just baby rpgs that do the same thing over and over. Digimon games on the other hand are all original and different each installment... they take skill and thought to beat, and not just pressing one button... so yeah, Digimon is superior. The newest Digimon game is even a VISUAL NOVEL which is really amazing!Digimon Survive it is called, go play it and you will see how superior it is to anything Pokemons. In every conceivable way? Thats interesting way of phrasing it, because I've seen a general consensus that Pokemon is better overall on the video game side of things. |
KetchumAsh said: Pokemon fans do tend to complain that nothing changes and yet still end up getting each game out of brand loyalty. I only got the more recent games after years of not playing because I finally got a Switch and I wanted something to mess around with when I didn't feel like playing anything else. Meanwhile I've been pushing back a game I really want to try, which is the first Cyber Sleuth game.So I guess I'm not exactly helping...FanofAction said: I understand. I am not angry. Just saying it is not true and just a meme people parrot cause they haven't played Digimon games, ever! Digimon always had great games! Please play the ps1 Digimon games and you will see how awesome they are compared to Pokemon gen 1,2,3 at the same time when it came out.They are just obsessed with Pokemon and try to deny it... and give it a point somewhere out of pity, but recently pokemon fandom woke up and saw how lazy GF are and have been releasing the same game for decades but only now is it a problem, no? Quite hypocritical. I said "overall". Thats means past or present. Even among Digimon fans there's been a fair amount of complaints that they haven't had any good games until recently. I'm just more or less echoing them. Also, there is some "skill" needed to get through Pokemon in certain areas. Granted those instances are few and far between. I don't even really have a dog in this race. I mean, go back to my quote and all I really did was poke fun at Pokemon for milking Ash and point out that a good amount of Digimon are sexy humans/humanoids. And for whatever reason this struck a nerve. |
| Oh finally a Digimon Adventure appreciation thread in AD and I almost missed it? Guess I'll have to come and take a look around here more often now. EndlessMaria said: Why does no one talk about how Digimon might be one of the best anime? There are a batch of reasons, but I've always thought that the main one has to do with what I like to call the "Kids' table syndrome"; the either conscious or unconscious idea many adult people have of believing that what is aimed towards or "belongs to" the children can never be as equally valuable as what is aimed or belongs to the adults, or just the idea that children simply aren't and won't ever be as important as the adults are. I've called this mentality like this because there's no other better expression of it than large family meetings: you know, when the whole family gathers for lunch or dinner and there aren't seats for everyone in the "main big table"... what's the first thing the adults with the power of deciding who seats where do? That's right... they immediately exclude all the children from sitting there and set up a special, but smaller table for all of them that will never be as elegant, fancy and/or elaborate as the main one where the adults will seat; always less or simpler "because they are only the children" (i.e. "they don't deserve as much as we adults do"). More or less the same type of phenomenon happens when it comes to assessing kids' anime value; virtually all of the ones who decide upon that on the internet or in most social circles are adults (for simplicity, let's consider someone let's say 14 as an already "old" person), not children, and a lot of them suffer from the kind of bias I've just described, which inevitably leads to the result that pretty much no anime (or any content) aimed mainly to children on average can hope to be as appreciated as content aimed more to teens or adults, and this no matter how technically better than some of these latter they can actually be. Also, it doesn't help the fact that "selling a lot of associated toys/merch" can't be denied as one (but not the only) intention of the kids' anime producers and executives, which only acts as a reinforcement of this bias to many (even when you can clearly tell the artistic ambition was way higher than just that). There are other reasons I can think of (but none of them with as much weight as what I've recently explained): i) In addition to "being for kids", it's an old show, so internet-wise speaking it never got a chance to enjoy any kind of hype-wave and if modern audiences don't show much interest in old anime in general, they certainly won't do it any more for a show ending with the "mon" suffix. ii) Unfortunate release time: never helped that to some it was always perceived as a "cheap Pokemon rip-off trying to capitalize on Pokemon's success" thanks to the fact the anime was released precisely at the times when Pokemon was starting to become a monstrous phenomenon worldwide in 1999-2000. iii) Animation quality: in times when for many the animation quality can be more important than the actual writing and characters, it isn't a shocker to see that they're not going to give much value to something made with a limited budget, outdated cheap CGI and reused animation sequences. iv) Specifically for the American audience or English-speaking countries in general, it has never helped that Saban's English dub was straight-up terrible; it modified the script and removed controversial scenes in an attempt to make it more family-friendly, introduced bad attempts of American-like type of humor (even right in the most serious and dramatic moments), composed an entirely new OST with unfitting, misplaced tracks, to a point that they almost pretty much killed the whole spirit of the original Japanese version and turned it into another different show. Those who watched this dub as kids might legitimately not remember the series very well, and those trying it as adults might legitimately not get the best of the impressions. All in all, whatever the reason(s), I think it's truly a shame that Digimon Adventure isn't as appreciated and doesn't get as much love as it deserves. I do believe it's a show with a lot of strengths, qualities and things done right to be as underappreciated as it still is to this day. ArabianLuffy said: The idea of Digimon is cool, but the companion (the human) doing nothing, makes this show cringy as fuck. Not (entirely) true. While it's true that it's the creature the one that does all the "dirty job" (actual battling), it's impossible for them to power-up through the digievolution process (and thus, being able to win those battles at all) without the spiritual or "metaphysical" aid of their kid partners. Kids weren't summoned to the Digitalworld for no reason. |
| Digimon is a very cool franchise, yes! but manga universe stuff like V-Tamers is more detailed in writing with more creative freedom than in Toei adaptations and Survive. Having said that, Digimon is indeed a broad franchise, but manga do a better job at representing than newer game releases and anime. I grew up with Adventure, but storywise, said manga universe adaptation is the best and you naysayers here barely even read manga. Judging Digimon just because y'all only watched one or more of the Toei adaptations like this biased, middle-aged punkass from Hawaii that also read very little manga. Watching Toei adaptations doesn't make you an expert overnight. |
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DigiCat said: Cool! I'll probs be re-watching Adventure 02 maybe end of this month, currently re-watching Adventure, actually watching it with @EndlessMaria :3 How's Adventure 01? Do you like it? How are you watching Adventure 01? |
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ArabianLuffy said: Kid, Im assuming you're trolling because Digimon and Zatch Bell are THE last shows you can claim where the humans do nothing. Like...Tamers, Frontier, Savers have the humans literally throwing hands at Digimon themselves. Zatch Bell's whole premise is that these Mamodo fairy/demon thingies can only use their powers with the humans using the books they are tied to, and you have to destroy the books to beat the enemy. Which the humans are holding... The least you can do is pay attention.The idea of Digimon is cool, but the companion (the human) doing nothing, makes this show cringy as fuck. I can say the same about Konjiki no Gashbell and any anime like those. |
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MoonBunny9297 said: How's Adventure 01? Do you like it? How are you watching Adventure 01? One of my fav anime of all time! Watching on 9anime |
DigiCat said: MoonBunny9297 said: How's Adventure 01? Do you like it? How are you watching Adventure 01? One of my fav anime of all time! Watching on 9anime funtime43_tr said: but Saban’s dub wasn’t as heavily edited as 4kids’ dub of Pokémon. Can you provide examples of Saban's English dub not being heavily edited? |
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MoonBunny9297 said: That depends on the standard you're using. Saban dubbed every episode of Digimon while 4kids omitted whole episodes from their Pokemon dub.Can you provide examples of Saban's English dub not being heavily edited? |
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MoonBunny9297 said: Can you provide examples of Saban's English dub not being heavily edited? Yeha, i guess in terms of script writing saban isn't as bad as 4kids, which i think 4kids took over the Digimon dub with Frontier, but still the dubs have a habit of taking out a lot of depth from the series |
MoonBunny9297 said: I recently finished Adventure 01 with @DigiCat and it is amazingHow's Adventure 01? Do you like it? How are you watching Adventure 01? |
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| OG Digimon Adventure is good, " one of the best anime" is an overstatement. I watched it when I was a kid, but I more or less remember Devimon, Etemon, Nanomon, there was a plethora of great antagonists, how the story shifted when Taichi went back to the real world with Koromon and how the digi-chosen took different paths (which was a good idea in paper, but having Taichi as the glue that bond them together was a stretch to me, even back then). I think the issue lies on the lack of a consistency in its "sequels" and spin-off. For instance, Digimon Adventure 02 was really weird, it was a risky move changing the digi-evolution to digi-eggs, but I think it made sense for the Japanese because they had games that kinda explained everything - Digimon games weren't never as popular as Pokémon games. Then, for "Digimon 3", Tamers, it was a spin-off, it was an amazing story, a lot of amazing elements, but once again they changed the digivices, because, imo could be completely wrong, they were trying to push the Digimon Trading Card game. In the end they ditch the story and we have another spin-off. "Digimon 4", Frontier, is kinda meh, it doesn't really feel like Digimon at some points, there were these 2 digimons that followed the digi-chosen around and their design were so lame and it only gets interesting way too late in the series. There was than a few years hiatus before they came back with the fifth anime, Savers, I watched a handful of episodes, maybe I was too old, I don't know, I didn't like it. So that's why I think Digimon is "kinda" forgotten, the only people that understand Digimon, are the people that are really into it, Pokémon, until last year was the same thing for 25 years. Just to give you an idea, when Digimon tri was announced, I was hyped as hell, even as the episodes went buy with a lot of names I didn't understand because I stopped watching the series many years ago, I was really excited to see what would happen with those characters that I grew up watching, but Digimon tri failed to deliver, I was disappointed - even though Last Evolution Kizuna at least washed the bitter taste of my mouth. Long story short, I know you are hyped for Digimon now, but a lot of things changed with time, but do give Tamers a watch, it is amazing. |
curvedtree said: I think the addition of armor evolutions makes perfect sense the way the anime explains it. What doesn't make sense is the move away from those evolutions later on. The characters have no reason to stop using armor.For instance, Digimon Adventure 02 was really weird, it was a risky move changing the digi-evolution to digi-eggs, but I think it made sense for the Japanese because they had games that kinda explained everything - Digimon games weren't never as popular as Pokémon games. I feel the 5th series was aimed at fans of the 1st series, but they are so different it barely matters. Tri feels as if it was written by people who dislike Digimon. Last Evolution is no better if the spoilers I read are any indication. |
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| I only watched Digimon Adventure 1, 02 and then Digimon Tamers, aside from 02 being a terrible mess of a series I had a good time overall. |
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| It is a strech to say Digimon is one of the greatest shows overall. That being said, I love it. Of course, anime wise, it's vastly superior to Pokemon. For one, it has a meaningful plot and direction. People hate Savers, I don't and I feel I need to defend it. It has weird designs, digimons are outsised for no good reason, protagonists are no longer children, but those are minor details. Along with Tamers, is the most mature rendition of the series. There's a sense of threat, death is real, humans are basically at the core of evil, and there are consequences. Xros wars, on the other hand, is horrendous. I too think that 02 is a mess. I really like Frontier's lore, but it could've been better executed. |
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