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can there be too much animation especially good animation?
Feb 16, 2023 10:57 AM
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chainsaw man is an example of this imo, it has too much animation especially character acting animation that slowed the pace down of the anime adaptation when the manga on the other hand is so fast pace to consume

so thoughts? and can you think of any other examples? i really like to know more examples
Feb 16, 2023 11:00 AM
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So are you complaining about all the random SoL sequences, like when Aki(?) spends 2 minutes making breakfast?
Those were the best part.

The action though, that was certainly too much, but definitely not good.
Feb 16, 2023 11:04 AM
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There's too much isekai and just because theres slowed down parts where it isn't all action doesn't mean its bad but then again, you can only expect headaches and misery from shounentards and leftists.

Feb 16, 2023 11:05 AM
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Crow_Black said:
There's too much isekai and just because theres slowed down parts where it isn't all action doesn't mean its bad but then again, you can only expect headaches and misery from shounentards and leftists.


you really hate me that much huh lol come on youre on every thread i make
Feb 16, 2023 11:08 AM
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I don't have a problem with it. Do you mean in an unnecessary way or distracting?
Feb 16, 2023 11:09 AM
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I don't have a problem with it. Do you mean in an unnecessary way or distracting?


well too much is kinda unnecessary and even distracting too ye
Feb 16, 2023 11:14 AM
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well too much is kinda unnecessary and even distracting too ye


I somewhat understand. I'm not bothered by it unless it's animated in a chaotic-way that would make it hard to follow what's going on.
Feb 16, 2023 11:18 AM
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Chainsaw man took a different approach something different than normal shounen anime and more like Hollywood movies and I am not a big fan of that I actually like the cliche and boring shounen approach.

Feb 16, 2023 11:20 AM
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I wouldn't say that too much animation is bad animation, but more so that it may be confusing. In your example of chainsaw man, the animation isn't bad, but since there's so much of it it sometimes took me a minute to get used to it.




Feb 16, 2023 11:26 AM
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Chainsaw Man's problem isn't the character acting animation, it's the dull fights that weren't able to replicate the energy of the source material. The character acting would've been great on its own, it simply got held back by the repetitive action sequences. 

The fights in the manga had major differences in art, and different styles and techniques were used to elevate the action. While in the anime, every fight looked the same. No innovation, no originality, nothing stood out during 99% of the fights, the only exception was the Kishibe action sequences which were honestly incredible and I preferred over the manga. 

It's like the entire budget and effort were put into the character acting and every other aspect was neglected. Which isn't surprising considering the director implied he didn't wanna make this adaptation look animesque.

Another problem is that constant sakuga can overshadow the energetic side of an anime. Anime has always strived to have minimal character acting so that the fights can stand out due to their change in animation. If the fights' sakuga doesn't improve on the character acting animation, then it won't grab the attention of the viewer. So in a way yes, "too much" animation can have a negative effect.
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To me it seems contradictory to say that as long if something is fun and enjoyable can there be too much of it. So I have a hard time understanding this post, how can you say it's good animation if you don't like the show?
Feb 16, 2023 11:34 AM
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Promare almost gave me a headache. Everything moves so much. 
Feb 16, 2023 11:41 AM

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Enjoyment comes from a mix of many different factors, a better pacing can easily have a more positive impact than higher quality animation. That's precisely my issue with almost every Wit Studio anime. 

However, the slowness of Chainsaw Man didn't bother me at all. 
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Yes, it was something my bf and I discovered watching Metropolis, it is so detailed and meticulous about animation and art it is actually hard to focus because you want to watch all the background stuff- you would have to watch it SO MANY times to be able to focus properly.

And on a personal note I hate comedy anime or SoL with unnecessary amounts of animation (like kyoani in general, it's fine to pop out some sakuga but I just feel annoyed when they use such amazing animation on basic SoL or the blandest action/drama series with no substance) 
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Feb 16, 2023 3:58 PM
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There can never be too much of a good thing.
Feb 16, 2023 4:22 PM

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StaleNut said:
Another problem is that constant sakuga can overshadow the energetic side of an anime. Anime has always strived to have minimal character acting so that the fights can stand out due to their change in animation. If the fights' sakuga doesn't improve on the character acting animation, then it won't grab the attention of the viewer. So in a way yes, "too much" animation can have a negative effect.

If that's true, that's just sad... Not only are they sandbagging themselves, but even with that action in anime is usually really bad.

Teirayo said:
And on a personal note I hate comedy anime or SoL with unnecessary amounts of animation (like kyoani in general, it's fine to pop out some sakuga but I just feel annoyed when they use such amazing animation on basic SoL or the blandest action/drama series with no substance)

Hey, slice of life is good if it has plot.
Feb 16, 2023 4:26 PM
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Why would anyone want subpar animation?
Feb 16, 2023 4:54 PM

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Teirayo said:
And on a personal note I hate comedy anime or SoL with unnecessary amounts of animation (like kyoani in general, it's fine to pop out some sakuga but I just feel annoyed when they use such amazing animation on basic SoL or the blandest action/drama series with no substance) 
If they can pump out such fine quality and animation consistently, I don't see the problem. Moreover Kyoani makes animation look natural; unlike a certain highly praised shonen. 
"Nobody could laugh at someone who's trying their hardest" -Machio-

Feb 16, 2023 4:54 PM

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Teirayo said:
And on a personal note I hate comedy anime or SoL with unnecessary amounts of animation (like kyoani in general, it's fine to pop out some sakuga but I just feel annoyed when they use such amazing animation on basic SoL or the blandest action/drama series with no substance) 
If they can pump out such fine quality and animation consistently, I don't see the problem. Moreover Kyoani makes animation look natural; unlike a certain highly praised shonen. 
"Nobody could laugh at someone who's trying their hardest" -Machio-

Feb 17, 2023 1:30 AM
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Why would anyone want subpar animation?


nah im not intending this to be black and white or all or nothing when it comes to animation quality so a mid or above average animation can be good enough in most cases?
Feb 17, 2023 1:35 AM

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how many chainsaw man hate threads will you make?
Feb 17, 2023 1:38 AM
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Catalano said:
how many chainsaw man hate threads will you make?


i do not hate it its just the hot topic right now with how its disc sales bomb so good for analyzing
Feb 17, 2023 4:15 AM

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deg said:
Catalano said:
how many chainsaw man hate threads will you make?


i do not hate it its just the hot topic right now with how its disc sales bomb so good for analyzing

Well for one, CSM looks like ass, and I'm not being hyperbolic. I've always thought the manga was supposed to be 'trippy' and 'psychedelic'. I mean just look at the manga posters. It's intended to be wild, the kind of wilderness with zero self-constraint and zero fucks given. It's over-the-top and colorful. Now look at the anime. I'm genuinely annoyed when I read somewhere (correct me if I'm wrong) that the director said he was attempting to make the show as "realistic looking" as possible, almost like a "live-action". Like, why?

I mean ig it is what it is. I saw bits and pieces of the show and thought it looked shit. Not because the animation isn't fluid enough, but because it's a boring antithesis to the manga. And yeah it's a hot topic so saying anything would ultimately lead to shit. CSM generates the stupidest discussions and most rabid yapping fuckers after all.

So to answer your question, I guess not since it entirely depends on how it is used. And just because there's "a lot" of "good" animation, whatever that means, doesn't guarantee that it'll be good.
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Feb 17, 2023 4:18 AM
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deg said:


i do not hate it its just the hot topic right now with how its disc sales bomb so good for analyzing

Well for one, CSM looks like ass, and I'm not being hyperbolic. I've always thought the manga was supposed to be 'trippy' and 'psychedelic'. I mean just look at the manga posters. It's intended to be wild, the kind of wilderness with zero self-constraint and zero fucks given. It's over-the-top and colorful. Now look at the anime. I'm genuinely annoyed when I read somewhere (correct me if I'm wrong) that the director said he was attempting to make the show as "realistic looking" as possible, almost like a "live-action". Like, why?

I mean ig it is what it is. I saw bits and pieces of the show and thought it looked shit. Not because the animation isn't fluid enough, but because it's a boring antithesis to the manga. And yeah it's a hot topic so saying anything would ultimately lead to shit. CSM generates the stupidest discussions and most rabid yapping fuckers after all.

So to answer your question, I guess not since it entirely depends on how it is used. And just because there's "a lot" of "good" animation, whatever that means, doesn't guarantee that it'll be good.


ye its true the director said all those things heck he even got harass on japanese twitter sphere for it
Feb 17, 2023 4:21 AM

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deg said:
Preachee said:

Well for one, CSM looks like ass, and I'm not being hyperbolic. I've always thought the manga was supposed to be 'trippy' and 'psychedelic'. I mean just look at the manga posters. It's intended to be wild, the kind of wilderness with zero self-constraint and zero fucks given. It's over-the-top and colorful. Now look at the anime. I'm genuinely annoyed when I read somewhere (correct me if I'm wrong) that the director said he was attempting to make the show as "realistic looking" as possible, almost like a "live-action". Like, why?

I mean ig it is what it is. I saw bits and pieces of the show and thought it looked shit. Not because the animation isn't fluid enough, but because it's a boring antithesis to the manga. And yeah it's a hot topic so saying anything would ultimately lead to shit. CSM generates the stupidest discussions and most rabid yapping fuckers after all.

So to answer your question, I guess not since it entirely depends on how it is used. And just because there's "a lot" of "good" animation, whatever that means, doesn't guarantee that it'll be good.


ye its true the director said all those things heck he even got harass on japanese twitter sphere for it

Yeah not surprising. Twitter's still on fire what jolly people. I did say I get annoyed and obviously everyone can get annoyed as well, but man poor guy.
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Feb 17, 2023 4:24 AM
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I haven't seen any anime with "too good" animation so far.
Feb 17, 2023 8:49 AM

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I don't think there can be "too much animation" in an animated medium, after all, almost everything is animated unless they didn't put any effort on it.

I don't know how Chainsaw Man is an example of "too much animation especially good animation", it was animated by MAPPA, of course it is lacking in good animation. Just use a Kyoto Animation show for something along the lines of "a lot of good animation".

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