Question about the ghost devil

Apolygon2 said:
so, wasn't there a whole thing with it being invisible and untouchable by others?

how come it didn't work like that in episode 8?

squeekeez said:
I think because it fully manifested instead of being just an arm

MordredEX said:

I don't think it's explicitly stated, but my guess is that fear of ghosts isn't quite strong enough to warrant such an overpowered hack level ability as total intangibility, so it's like the Ghost Devil's special power but it can likely only use it focusing it in small parts of its body and if it materialises fully it has to let go of it like how you can't easily flex every muscle in your body at once

King_KK said:
The ghost devil went full on offence and manifested itself completely. Since the ghost devil was confident that it could take on Katanaman so it didn't bothered with intangibility. It was winning till the Snake devil came out of nowhere and killed it instantaneously. That's just my guess though.

Apolygon2 said:


so the answer is basically no one knows....

well, ngl I expected better than this from a show this well written.

this broke the rule the show had set up, so unless we at least get a hint on how it happened I have to see it as a small plot hole.

King_KK said:

The ghost devil will appear again in the future and a bit more info will be revealed about it. Hopefully that will be enough to answer your queries.

SirShmoopy said:

Thanks for the spoilers with no spoiler warning

King_KK said:

How is that a spoiler? I didn't told you anything about how it will appear. Neither did I told you when it will appear either. However if you do consider it a spoiler than I will put a spoiler warning on it none the less.

SirShmoopy said:

It doesn't matter if you told "how" it happens it's the fact that you said that it happens at all without a spoiler warning. I for one assumed it was dead, but now I know it's not.

King_KK said:

No you don't. It could appear in a flashback. You are just assuming it's not dead. That's not my fault.

SirShmoopy said:

Fact of the matter is that it's a new anime and you revealed information about something that hasn't happened yet. Whether or not you revealed all of the specifics of what hasn't happened yet or how it happens doesn't matter. It's the fact that you revealed it at all with no warning. Instead of attempting to justify it, simply leave the spoiler warning like you're suppose to.

Apolygon2 said:




I think it would make sense for it to be that op since she was loosing arms and legs every few seconds to keep it active at that level.

you would think with that level of sacrifice it would be something truly strong to need that much just to exist for less than a minute.

I would argue that, if that was the case, the lone arm may have been just as, if not even more useful than the full body, which is kinda underwhelming to think about.

MordredEX said:


To my understanding, a contract being really expensive doesnt always mean the result is proportionally powerful. There is a law of obligatory exchange, but that exchange doesn't have to be equal. Some really strong devils like the Fox make cheap contracts based on the user's attractiveness. Devils can sell themselves as cheap or as expensive as they want based on how much they tolerte the user and how desperate the user is for help. In this case, more so than charging extra for being particularly strong, the Ghost Devil was charging extra because it was personally scared of the girl and was really reluctant to fight, and also because it knew Himeno was desperate and willing to give it all out without bargaining. We see how that girl in turn summons an incredibly strong Snake Devil that one shot killed the Ghost, and at least on an immediate level she doesn't appear to have lost anything huge for it.

As for the second point, thaty maybe the one intangible hand would be better, I doubt it. It is certainly unbeatable in the sense that it can't be countered, but it does not have the raw strength or speed to either catch or do serious damage to that guy who withstood being vored and cursed to death a bit ago. If Himeno had just attacked with the single hand, they could have done nothing to the hand itself but they could have finished Himeno herself off and the hand would be gone then anyway. She needed the overwhelming firepower of the whole thing.

Finally, I think that your doubts about this are warranted and it makes sense to be critical about the series for things like this, but this particular instance seems deliberate to me. The intention is for it to be an unequal, unfair, pointless exchange and that is how Fujimoto wants to subvert tropes. When these life sacrificial super ultimate attacks/summons appear in most anime, the result is always a proportionally powerful and impactful super ultimate attack that either saves everyone or deals a powerful blow to the enemies, to emphasise the heroicisim and epic nature. But CSM wants to make it clear that its world is not fair. Huge revenges or ultimate attacks that would warrant victories in other shows can somethimes end in unceremonious, useless, pathetic defeats, which is just like the real world. In CSM a beloved, significant character can sacrifice their entire body and soul epicly and then just die failing with no significant change to the situation. That sudden, unfair and uncaring coldness of the world that doesnt correspond to the intense feelings or resolves of the characters is what makes this feel so differen from most battle shounen to me.

Apolygon2 said:




i completely get why it happened on a storytelling level.

but the fact that 3 diffetent manga readers gave me 3 different answers to how it made sense, means either half of you didn't pay attention, or the answer was never explained on a story level.

i do love that it didn't work, i just don't love the fact that i wasn't given a reason for why.

i think it would have been fine, if the katana guy couldn't attack or see it and then it got killed by the girl.

the girl could have been something special that could attack it. it would even make sense since that could have been the reason for why the ghost devil was so scared of her.

I will have to see how the show goes for now.

that episode was still a 10/10, one unexplained, but easily explainable inconsistancy is not changing that.

but it does leave a bad taste in my mouth.