| Anime seasons, both past and present, are not imaginary lines drawn a posteriori for the convenience of sites like MAL, but very concrete entities in the anime industry, reflecting how TV anime is actually made. When the decision is made to produce a series, a number of contracts are signed between the participants, establishing that a studio will be commissioned to deliver a given number of episodes on certain deadlines using a very definite budget. That is a season. After that, depending on a number of factors (such as reception of that season, DVD and blu-ray sales, source material availability, market trends, etc.) a new season may or may not be made. In some cases (e.g. AoT) it's quite certain from the start that new seasons will be produced in the future. But even then the whole point is that each is a new contract, with different budget, deadlines, people or even studio involved, and so on. In the past it was more common to have longer contracts (e.g. for 52 episodes covering a whole year), but that was still a single entity considered from the point of view of business. The fact that producers these days won't (or can't) commit themselves to contracts longer than 1 cour only reflects the reality that the economy has changed. Source: Me. I just made all this up. I have no freaking idea how the anime industry works. But it sounds kinda reasonable. |
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Grumar said: why is only modern anime being separated into seasons? every anime since the beginning has been aired in seasons Because it's how it was made. I'm curious about which old Animes aired as Seasons. (From my experiences , it's the fans/streaming sites that split them for convenience later on) Grumar said: of course S2+ will be higher ratings only people who liked first season will be watching In most of the cases , it's true. But the ratings on MAL are weighted , so the number of people watching the show is important as well. There is also of course bad Sequels that then gets a lower ratings. Plus , you seems to underestimate haters. Grumar said: attack on titan shouldn't be taking up 4 spots under my "seen" anime it's 1 anime You are free to manage your list as you want. Nothing stops you from adding only the 1st Season , and count it as the whole. Grumar said: why isn't one piece 30 animes? With all of the Movies/OVA , there is already 30+ entries for One Piece. As for the Main Series , it's because it's made/marketed as only 1 Season (Of 1000+ Episodes). Grumar said: where do they draw this stupid imaginary line of what counts as a new anime, new season, etc. It isn't imaginary , it's how Japan made and marketed it. Seems that your problem is not with how MAL works , but how the Japanese Animes industry works. I'd suggest you to write a letter to all producers to say them they should give more money for your entertainment. |
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| Its money. If they see S1 as a fail/didnt go well as they expected they can just drop the S2 or cut the budget. Today's anime is just pure business, unlike the old days that's just pure art of entertainment. |
| Attack on Titan Season 7 is certainly a bit more clean than Attack on Titan: The Final Season: Part 3 |
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Lier96 said: Its money. If they see S1 as a fail/didnt go well as they expected they can just drop the S2 or cut the budget. Today's anime is just pure business, unlike the old days that's just pure art of entertainment. Anime has always been about money. What in the sam hell are you on about? |
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| I'll take seasonal any day, i don't need filler and low budget anime with new episode every week |
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| Some sequels were made by completely different studios (OPM, AoT) and the execution can be quite different. I'm starting to disagree with separating split cours, after seeing JoJo part 6 part 1, 2 & 3 and Bleach (potentially 4 split cours of the same anime in MAL top 30). Those parts were all conceived together and the very same team is continuously working on them, there's no reason to keep them apart. "Leaving an anime in the watching list too long" is not a reason, since "on hold" exists. |
NirinboNov 6, 2022 3:12 AM
Grumar said: why is only modern anime being separated into seasons? Alexioos95 said: I'm curious about which old Animes aired as Seasons. (From my experiences , it's the fans/streaming sites that split them for convenience later on) Quite a few did, including Those Who Hunt Elves (the original "latenight" anime), Slayers, Galaxy Angel, Maria Watches Over Us, DNA2 (1-cour TV series + OVA sequel), Gantz, Full Metal Panic, UFO Princess Valkyrie, Girls Bravo, Sailor Moon, Saiyuuki, To Heart (5-year gap between related series), Tsubasa Chronicle, Vandread, Mahoromatic, Crest/Banner of the Stars, Angel Tales, Clannad, ARIA the Animation, Familiar of Zero, Shana, Index/Railgun, and Divergence Eve, among others. Some titles that MAL counts as one entry could be justifiably split, like Big O (3 year gap between eps 13-14), Rizelmine (3 month gap between eps 12-13), and Cardcaptor Sakura (3 month gap between eps 35-36, 2 month gap between eps 46-47). And some OVA series were produced as different "seasons," like the first 2 Fushigi Yuugi OVAs, Ys, 3x3 Eyes, El Hazard (which also had a TV retelling and a TV direct sequel), The Hakkenden, and Starship Girl Yamamoto Yohko. Grumar said: it also just FLOOD our lists with garbage, an example, attack on titan shouldn't be taking up 4 spots under my "seen" anime it's 1 anime I've seen it shouldn't be counting towards 4 One has to wonder why you've chosen to watch all that "garbage" in the first place. I choose to view phenomena like that as giving me more "credit" in terms of adding to the Anime Completed Count on MAL and for achievements on anime.plus and mal-badges.net . As messy as it may be, the current seasonal separation mirroring the production of a given anime is probably the "least bad" way to approach the issue. Trying too hard to condense multiple entries of a franchise into a single entry to satisfy the "hates list clutter" crowd invites a slippery slope of judgment calls and endless debates. For instance, should items like My-Hime/My-Otome and Please Teacher!/Please Twins! be combined as sequels? The latter series technically take place after the first and share some characters, yet they're more of "same setting" titles that don't require watching their predecessors. Or there's Someday's Dreamers, where "Natsu no Sora" gets labeled as a sequel, yet it's entirely standalone with wholly different characters. Then there's remakes like Kanon '06, Yozakura Quartet Flower Song, Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood, and Hellsing Ultimate -- combining them would be far too confusing. And even with the more straightforward splits (without lengthy gaps, different suffixes/subtitles/punctuation, or studio/staff changes) like Attack on Titan, the in-show episode numbers often restart from 1 with new seasons, so merging them into one franchise would invite needless confusion on episode numbers and titles. Tirinchas said: Source: Me. I just made all this up. I have no freaking idea how the anime industry works. But it sounds kinda reasonable. Made up as it may be, I'd say you're approximately right: AnswerMan said: Everything else [other than proven kids' and family properties like One Piece] goes in late-night infomercial timeslots, which are purchased outright by the production committees, who find sponsors on their own, and plug their own commercials into the programs. They have their own plans for making money (usually involving DVDs and merchandise), and the TV airing just acts as a commercial for those products. And to mitigate risk, they only produce them a season at a time. That way if it bombs, they're only out for those handful of episodes they set out to make. And if it's a hit, like My Hero Academia, they'll start another season going. But the engines take a while to get moving again. The team has to be reassembled, new scripts have to be made, and there's so much to do before the show can see air that it's usually only possible to make a season of anime once a year at this rate. Even more importantly, there is so much anime being produced currently that all of the studios are currently booked several years in advance, so just finding a slot on their schedules to get it made can take a ridiculously long amount of time. Occasionally a production committee will get daring and green-light two seasons at a time, but that's a rarity. It's all in the name of not taking unnecessary and expensive risks. |
| It's not a stupid imaginary line, it's where the anime stops airing for anywhere in between a couple of months to 10 years, maybe more. And yea, it's annoying, it'd be better if animes were just released as a complete unit you can sit down from start to finish, but unfortunately the industry doesn't work like that, and blaming MAL for that is not productive. |
Zalis said: Quite a few did Of course , but OP said "every anime since the beginning has been aired in seasons". So i was asking him which one he meant by that , as there was a lot of long running show that weren't splitted before. Zalis said: Some titles that MAL counts as one entry could be justifiably split, like Big O (3 year gap between eps 13-14), Rizelmine (3 month gap between eps 12-13), and Cardcaptor Sakura (3 month gap between eps 35-36, 2 month gap between eps 46-47). The Big O was ignored because it was added to the database before the rule about splitting the Seasons was made. MAL will eventually fix it one day , but it's the least priority thing. (Guess it's the same for the other two) |
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| Damn. people complain about everything these days. |
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| It's already inconsistent... I don't know why some of them are, while some of them aren't. It's really strange to me. |
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| The problem isn't seasons, the problem is MALs absolute garbage system. The top anime list on MAL is just different biases competing against each other and out of 50 there are like 5 that actually belong there. |
| Given MAL's nature as a database, I think it makes perfect sense for them to make separate entries for Seasons. It's most likely done that way for the sake of maintaining info accuracy due to how the modern anime production landscape works. I mean, nowadays when you have anime like Attack on Titan and Seven Deadly Sins, for example, taking 4 whole years between Seasons 1 & 2, and then being handed over to entirely different production/animation studios and staff for their last couple of Seasons... how can you expect to group the whole show under one umbrella and still somehow maintain a cohesive info page? From a database maintenance standpoint, i figure it'd be a huge pain in the ass to keep entries consistently updated and organized with that kind of model *shrug* |
OrororurandoNov 6, 2022 7:01 PM
Grumar said: Not only is it horribly inconsistent, why is only modern anime being separated into seasons? If you're talking about shows (like Shield Hero) where multiple seasons are announced at one time but then spread out over 2-4 years, yeah.. it can be ripe with problems like you mentioned. If you're talking about shows that plan to take a 1-2 cour break half way through before resuming, I dislike that almost as much. While I dislike split-cour/separated seasons and think they seem counter-productive (seen more and more lately), I can also understand the risk mitigations that it is used for. Studios likely agree to it so they're not locked into making a long-running show that could be a flop, and not be able to make other anime to stay profitable. Production Groups likely prefer it so that if the show does flop, they can back out of future "seasons" and minimize losses. What I think adds to the frustration you're mentioning is the naming schemes used... Season 1 - 25 episodes Season 2 - 12 episodes Season 2 part 2 ??? They didn't split season 1, so why split season 2? Just name it Season 3 instead of Season 2 part 2 if you aren't going to air it as a complete consecutive season. The Final Season... open-ended The Final Season part 2... open-ended The Final Season part 3... will it actually be the ending, or will there also be The Final Season: The Finale ?? I suppose all this is still better than the typical "1 season and run" method of just advertising the source with no plans to ever finish the series. |
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