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Sep 22, 2022 6:45 AM
#1
| Boredom? Lack of Creativity? Lack of Vision? Generic & Repetitive? At first I thought any of these would be some of the reasons but it's agenda basically a conspiracy for which many don't want to see it anymore (western content), anyone care to explain me about it cause I don't know what the agenda or conspiracy is? |
Sep 22, 2022 7:28 AM
#2
| To me its id say 3 reasons First, anime is shown from a different cultural perspective. Usually the Western perspective is simply boring to me because i grew up with it. Second, as you kinda said shows are less similar to each other. Because of the medium being animation and the bigger distance between it and reality, you can come up with more diverse settings and presentation styles. Also the shows are shorter, so youre watching even less of the same shit. Third, it focuses more on characters instead of plot and pacing. And thats actually good because messages have much more meaning when they are connected to a fleshed out character. |
dertassoSep 22, 2022 7:43 AM
Sep 22, 2022 7:35 AM
#3
| Western content is super stale thanks to it bowing to SJW standards. IMHO. That's why I mostly watch older movies nowadays. It's a good thing there's a lot of content to consume from the 1950s to early 2010s. There's a lot of unique stuff that can only be found in anime and some of it may be offensive, like lolis & r*pe, etc. but I like something different so yeah. I agree anime is slightly superior to western stuff atm. |
Sep 22, 2022 7:41 AM
#4
| The meta references it makes/parodies. |
just wanna feel wanted by someone other than the police ๐ซ |
Sep 22, 2022 7:43 AM
#5
| I watch both and both have great content. Nothing is inherently better in terms of content, you can find great in both. |
Sep 22, 2022 7:57 AM
#6
| The fact that anime has much better looking artstyle and no pandering to SJW or woke garbage :) |
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Sep 22, 2022 8:05 AM
#7
| Anyone who thinks that western media is just SJW pandering and "woke", only pays attention to the negative mainstream attention seeking idiots. I can list countless great western shows and movies from the past 10 years that has none of that bullshit, but this is a biased anime community, who shuns anything that isn't from Japan, grow the fuck up, anime is not the only medium people, these posts are dumb, both live action and anime are great. Better Call Saul just finished it's run, was that filled with SJW agendas.... no, was it better than 98% of anime.... fuck yes it was. |
Sep 22, 2022 8:06 AM
#8
| Anime characters are generally more attractive than real life hoomaans/even celebrity. |
"The Slave is the have-not, the oppressed one with nothing to spare. But because the Slave is in that despairing situation, having nothing, it can kill the Emperor !" |
Sep 22, 2022 8:10 AM
#9
| For me it's the super stylized and cutesy artstyle that strays away as much as possible from the photo realism that western content is so obsessed with. |
Sep 22, 2022 8:11 AM
#10
| Because western content is dick measuring contest and anime is feeling free to be unapologetically baka. |
Sep 22, 2022 8:19 AM
#11
Sep 22, 2022 8:30 AM
#12
| "Because western in pandering to the SJW and woke stuff" -๐คก I wouldn't say anime is superior to western content. It all comes down to preference. I would say it's more popular for the sole reason that it is more accessible. |
Sep 22, 2022 9:09 AM
#13
dertasso said: I like how you removed stereotypes for both as different perspectives do bring some errors in the form of stereotypes, reasons could be lack of motivation or considering less or no requirement for proper research but if you're open-minded about it then it's not a big issue cause it's a different perspective after all.To me its id say 3 reasons First, anime is shown from a different cultural perspective. Usually the Western perspective is simply boring to me because i grew up with it. Second, as you kinda said shows are less similar to each other. Because of the medium being animation and the bigger distance between it and reality, you can come up with more diverse settings and presentation styles. Also the shows are shorter, so youre watching even less of the same shit. Third, it focuses more on characters instead of plot and pacing. And thats actually good because messages have much more meaning when they are connected to a fleshed out character. Yeah, you're right regarding the tone because both are different mediums, though I don't agree regarding the time investment as it solely depends one's interest but yes, one is tend to be more shorter than the other. I think in anime plot and pacing revolves around the characters for the most part basically you're right but then you also have atmospheric content, tend to rely on the atmosphere to reflect character's emotions something not rare for west but less frequently made in anime, even in the west I feel there's been a massive shortage of such content lately. |
Sep 22, 2022 9:23 AM
#14
MxS7HGS said: I don't think just touching sensitive themes/topic would make anime superior here as it's not like west don't produce mature content or haven't done in the past and the standard reduction is pretty much true for both, although west seems to be going more downhill but if we talk about being more audience centric, anime seems to be way more down to earth than west.Western content is super stale thanks to it bowing to SJW standards. IMHO. That's why I mostly watch older movies nowadays. It's a good thing there's a lot of content to consume from the 1950s to early 2010s. There's a lot of unique stuff that can only be found in anime and some of it may be offensive, like lolis & r*pe, etc. but I like something different so yeah. I agree anime is slightly superior to western stuff atm. |
Sep 22, 2022 9:27 AM
#15
Rinrinka said: Are we really comparing both? I think one seems to be a winner already according to you because it's a different medium.The fact that anime has much better looking artstyle and no pandering to SJW or woke garbage :) |
Sep 22, 2022 9:34 AM
#16
SaMMy17BST said: I think the biggest reason why west doesn't stand a chance in front of anime in many popular opinions is because it's lighthearted for the most part and too clean that some people who see gore, violence and rape in it think it's a sign of maturity as real life horrors should be serving a good example already for them but it's anime that makes them feel they've grown up.Anyone who thinks that western media is just SJW pandering and "woke", only pays attention to the negative mainstream attention seeking idiots. I can list countless great western shows and movies from the past 10 years that has none of that bullshit, but this is a biased anime community, who shuns anything that isn't from Japan, grow the fuck up, anime is not the only medium people, these posts are dumb, both live action and anime are great. Better Call Saul just finished it's run, was that filled with SJW agendas.... no, was it better than 98% of anime.... fuck yes it was. |
Sep 22, 2022 9:38 AM
#17
alshu said: What's the difference cause both sounds stupid to me.Because western content is dick measuring contest and anime is feeling free to be unapologetically baka. |
Sep 22, 2022 9:41 AM
#18
Senjuuu said: I think the access really has a lot to do with popularity but then it's the same for both, so, which one is more easy to access?"Because western in pandering to the SJW and woke stuff" -๐คก I wouldn't say anime is superior to western content. It all comes down to preference. I would say it's more popular for the sole reason that it is more accessible. |
Sep 22, 2022 9:53 AM
#19
assassin_zabusa said: alshu said: What's the difference cause both sounds stupid to me.Because western content is dick measuring contest and anime is feeling free to be unapologetically baka. For the first you must be the best version of yourself - notice every little detail, get all references + easter eggs, understand the symbolism and the deeper themes. You must get the microcosm and the macrocosm of the show. For the second you should really just relax. (Which makes me feel superiorly good.) If you aren't here for any or a of mix of those two...I don't get you. |
Sep 22, 2022 9:58 AM
#20
alshu said: Sounds like a lot of hard work so, I shouldn't bother myself for a answer I guess.assassin_zabusa said: alshu said: Because western content is dick measuring contest and anime is feeling free to be unapologetically baka. For the first you must be the best version of yourself - notice every little detail, get all references + easter eggs, understand the symbolism and the deeper themes. You must get the microcosm and the macrocosm of the show. For the second you should really just relax. (Which makes me feel superiorly good.) If you aren't here for any or a of mix of those two...I don't get you. |
Sep 22, 2022 10:16 AM
#21
assassin_zabusa said: Sounds like a lot of hard work so, I shouldn't bother myself for a answer I guess. One of those isn't, so I still don't get you. |
Sep 22, 2022 10:29 AM
#22
| -Anime isn't political propaganda from the far-left. -Anime characters look better. -Diverse genres. |
| BANZAI NIPPON. Nippon is the Land of freedom. Nippon is the Land of Peace. Nippon is the Land of Justice and Prosperity. In Nippon, we trust. We love Nippon, we love Anime. Anime love us, Nippon love us. ๆฅๆฌ |
Sep 22, 2022 10:55 AM
#23
| Anime explores a lot of different genres within a myriad of styles, settings and themes. Whereas western animation (i.e. cartoons) feels all the same with its content. There is an overabundance of your comedy, action and adventure shows that appeal to the mainstream. Anime feels more niche in comparison. Like, can anyone name of by heart a show that has a slice of life feel to it? I certainly can't think of any toons that focus on drama or romance either. It also feels like a lot of cartoons are just trying to copy each other. Too many edgy dark comedies trying to mimic South Park, Family Guy etc. Or the saturation of superhero cartoons. This is all while not taking into account all of the cartoons that has a demographic solely catered to children. Now I'm certainly not saying that anime isn't guilty of anything I just mentioned. It just feels, personally, that cartoons are just trying too hard to market themselves to as big as an audience as possible. I don't reckon we have reached a point (and likely never will) where we can say that anime is as widespread and mainstream as cartoons are. That's personally why I prefer anime; because it isn't as mainstream and therefore not as oversaturated as cartoons are. |
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Sep 22, 2022 12:21 PM
#24
| I found anime about topics I don't think will have an audience in the west, like gambling anime (one of my favorite genres) is just not something I'd see receive the 'animation treatment' as it'll make more sense as a live-action, and yet it has had anime made about it. Generally, I've seen more anime create some detailed and interesting power systems but I cannot think of any western cartoon/show treating powers in that way, there's a lot of free range for what things you can show just because of animation. There are shows that tackle the mundane and don't necessarily have to be made for kids, insert comedy, or be episodic (King of the Hill and Clarence come to mind). Granted, this could be because I haven't seen that much Western (to be more specific 'non-Japanese', even if there's an outsourcing situation) animation over the years just because I got into anime so some shows could meet the criteria I listed, again, not aware of any. For modern shows in general I dislike that some episodes last around an hour and are filled with padding. Of course, this isn't to outright discredit the whole medium, there are a few things that anime does differently but in the end entertainment content is more than that. Creative minds exist in both spheres and don't necessarily abide by how it's perceived. Small praise for "Western" (non-anime) stuff I'm fond of: Gumball is a British-American production I think is great, Peep Show is one of the funniest things I've seen, Whiplash and Uncut Gems are some of my favorite films, etc. In conclusion, I like both but I'm currently watching more anime than anything else (except Youtube), there are some boring ones, generic and repetitive ones, and some that lack vision just like in other mediums, so it isn't a West-only problem. Now... an agenda... idk depends on what content you're focusing on, you shouldn't write off everything else. |
Sep 22, 2022 4:44 PM
#25
assassin_zabusa said: Senjuuu said: I think the access really has a lot to do with popularity but then it's the same for both, so, which one is more easy to access?"Because western in pandering to the SJW and woke stuff" -๐คก I wouldn't say anime is superior to western content. It all comes down to preference. I would say it's more popular for the sole reason that it is more accessible. Imo, anime is more accessible than western cotent. At least for me. I've know at least 5 anime website that load fast and are adless. Most of western content in the other hand are mostly found on website with tons of ads and super slow. |
Sep 22, 2022 10:53 PM
#26
Sep 22, 2022 10:59 PM
#27
| Anime has bigger, fatter, voluptuouser and rounder tiddies. |
Sep 22, 2022 11:16 PM
#28
| No reason because it isn't superior. Just because something is made in a different culture doesn't make it better. TV shows like Breaking Bad, Succession or Bojack Horseman, and movies like the Godfather, Trainspotting and Pulp Fiction, wouldn't be made in Japan due to the inherent western values/influences. Like-wise, anime and manga like Evangelion, Oyasumi Punpun or One Piece wouldn't be made in Western society. That said, I'd rather appreciate the stories from both Western and Eastern cultures, than to jerk off one culture's form of storytelling. And don't give me that 'SJW propaganda' crap. People saying that make it very evident that they barely watch any western media and just get outraged when they see 'She-Hulk' twerking on their Twitter/Reddit timeline, making them think that said scene (which is harmless in my opinion) encapsulates all western media. ScionOfCyan said: It’s all just various degrees of defeatist, indulgent, narcissistic nihilism. You seem to be implying that all media discussing defeatist, indulgent, narcissistic nihilism is inherently bad. Just because a piece of fiction involves negatively existential themes doesn't mean it is advocating said themes. Art exists to mimic, comment or examine our perceivable reality, and emotions such as indulgence, nihilism and narcissism are very real and fundamental to many people's experiences as human beings. Furthermore, western cultures aren't the only places where these forms of storytelling come from, my favourite piece of fiction 'Oyasumi Punpun' is from Japan and it is filled to the brim with nihilistic and existential themes (although the core message of the series isn't that dark). ~ Hours Later Edit ~ ScionOfCyan said: Western media stems from people with bad values. The creator of Better Call Saul, Vince Gilligan, has stated in many interviews how he despises some of his characters for their horrendous crimes. The creator isn't instilling the show with 'bad values' because he wants to instil said 'bad values' into the minds of his audience. |
HorseManPersonSep 23, 2022 9:08 AM
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Sep 23, 2022 3:29 AM
#30
alshu said: I think we are bound not to discuss anything but still I hope you get me and we can actually discuss something someday.assassin_zabusa said: Sounds like a lot of hard work so, I shouldn't bother myself for a answer I guess. One of those isn't, so I still don't get you. |
Sep 23, 2022 3:48 AM
#31
| For me the number 1 reason is that the episodes are 20 mins instead of an hour its so much easier to consume a 20 min ep instead of an hour long episode I have some other reasons why I like anime alot more but that's my main reason for liking anime more |
Sep 23, 2022 3:50 AM
#32
ScionOfCyan said: But I think majority of time it gets approved because it gets pushed as "real" even though it barely resonates with most of them so, differentiating bad values and realistic is out of question for them if they don't even know there is a difference to begin with, you might be aware of many mentally ill, immoral and morally grey characters from the west which are symbols of something that resonates, relatable for people but if one bother to understand their mentality and philosophy then they are the people we don't in our society and neighborhood so, you're right regarding bad values and "Anime has a significantly smaller amount of it."Western media stems from people with bad values. The vast majority of Western media promotes bad values that make your life worse if you live your life by them. Anime has a significantly smaller amount of it. When people say Western media has too much 'woke' and 'SJW' material, that understates the problem. The rot goes far far deeper than that. Somebody mentioned 'Better Call Saul.' Those of you who like philosophy might enjoy reading this commentary on Better Call Saul's moral bankruptcy. You'll see it goes a lot deeper than 'representation' and 'SJWs'. Western media is full of trash like Better Call Saul. Looks like there's a good summary paragraph at the end. I'll quote here so many of you can skip the link. You should demand more of your redemption than to just be punished for how cool and smart and charming you are. The plotlines of mainstream “entertainment” cultural artefacts is all being written by people who don’t believe in human agency, human redemption. It’s all just various degrees of defeatist, indulgent, narcissistic nihilism. Anime has a lot less of this.link: https://eggreport.substack.com/p/the-finale-of-better-call-saul |
Sep 23, 2022 3:55 AM
#33
ReSeinen said: If we are only talking about toons then you are right there isn't much variety in the west, however, the agenda was something I've been seeing people addressing but there is little to know explanation regarding it and been said in regard to cinema and TV haven't seen someone associating with toons.I found anime about topics I don't think will have an audience in the west, like gambling anime (one of my favorite genres) is just not something I'd see receive the 'animation treatment' as it'll make more sense as a live-action, and yet it has had anime made about it. Generally, I've seen more anime create some detailed and interesting power systems but I cannot think of any western cartoon/show treating powers in that way, there's a lot of free range for what things you can show just because of animation. There are shows that tackle the mundane and don't necessarily have to be made for kids, insert comedy, or be episodic (King of the Hill and Clarence come to mind). Granted, this could be because I haven't seen that much Western (to be more specific 'non-Japanese', even if there's an outsourcing situation) animation over the years just because I got into anime so some shows could meet the criteria I listed, again, not aware of any. For modern shows in general I dislike that some episodes last around an hour and are filled with padding. Of course, this isn't to outright discredit the whole medium, there are a few things that anime does differently but in the end entertainment content is more than that. Creative minds exist in both spheres and don't necessarily abide by how it's perceived. Small praise for "Western" (non-anime) stuff I'm fond of: Gumball is a British-American production I think is great, Peep Show is one of the funniest things I've seen, Whiplash and Uncut Gems are some of my favorite films, etc. In conclusion, I like both but I'm currently watching more anime than anything else (except Youtube), there are some boring ones, generic and repetitive ones, and some that lack vision just like in other mediums, so it isn't a West-only problem. Now... an agenda... idk depends on what content you're focusing on, you shouldn't write off everything else. |
Sep 23, 2022 3:59 AM
#34
| I don't think anime is superior to any kind of Western Content, it's just more "unique" (whatever that signifies?). It's very easy to come across good and bad content from both sides |
Sep 23, 2022 4:11 AM
#35
HorseManPerson said: I agree that most criticism and boycotts are coming from the people who have consumed very little content from it, don't know the achievements and impact of it and judging it with it's present only.No reason because it isn't superior. Just because something is made in a different culture doesn't make it better. TV shows like Breaking Bad, Succession or Bojack Horseman, and movies like the Godfather, Trainspotting and Pulp Fiction, wouldn't be made in Japan due to the inherent western values/influences. Like-wise, anime and manga like Evangelion, Oyasumi Punpun or One Piece wouldn't be made in Western society. That said, I'd rather appreciate the stories from both Western and Eastern cultures, than to jerk off one culture's form of storytelling. And don't give me that 'SJW propaganda' crap. People saying that make it very evident that they barely watch any western media and just get outraged when they see 'She-Hulk' twerking on their Twitter/Reddit timeline, making them think that said scene (which is harmless in my opinion) encapsulates all western media. ScionOfCyan said: It’s all just various degrees of defeatist, indulgent, narcissistic nihilism. You seem to be implying that all media discussing defeatist, indulgent, narcissistic nihilism is inherently bad. Just because a piece of fiction involves negatively existential themes doesn't mean it is advocating said themes. Art exists to mimic, comment or examine our perceivable reality, and emotions such as indulgence, nihilism and narcissism are very real and fundamental to many people's experiences as human beings. Furthermore, western cultures aren't the only places where these forms of storytelling come from, my favourite piece of fiction 'Oyasumi Punpun' is from Japan and it is filled to the brim with nihilistic and existential themes (although the core message of the series isn't that dark). This isn't something wrote for me but I want to talk about a little regarding it, you're right that they aren't tend to advocate the themes but they might be aware of the fact that most people now are tend to perceive them as better people of society because of their strong believe that the world is a rotten place or the reason that they are misfits or unsuccessful and a loser will easily fall for this, so, he is right that they are promoting bad values, intentionally or unintentionally. |
Sep 23, 2022 4:13 AM
#36
| I don't think any of the people crying over "woke SJW garbage" have watched a single cartoon made in the past decade. |
Sep 23, 2022 4:18 AM
#37
Sep 23, 2022 4:19 AM
#38
assassin_zabusa said: What Reasons/Factors/Aspects Gives Anime Superiority Over Western Content As An Whole? Even if Japan has strict censorship laws specifically surrounding obscenity mainly dealing with exposed genitals, Japan can still get away producing content in studios that is commonly frowned upon and in Western Animation. There is still a stigma in Western culture that cartoons are mostly just produced just for kids. Japan has an entire industry completely laser focused on producing just erotic animation. Anime is a part of Japans culture and so deeply embedded in it that other countries actually try to copy it. edit: As an example Yet to see the day when some western studio produces some "mainstream" title about a half naked bitch face loli grandma. (not like this would be something I personally would be into but I am just trying to make a point) |
ColourWheelSep 23, 2022 4:42 AM
Sep 23, 2022 4:20 AM
#39
| My preference for anime has nothing to do with quality but with style. What makes anime stand out from other "styles" of fiction is that it takes complete advantage of the animation medium. Cartoons have traditionally been child-oriented or adult comedies, and live-action shows are limited in the effects they can use. Animation also allows for more distinctive stylization, so much so that I can often identify an anime purely from the art style. I think that the cultural influences are also an appeal for international audiences because it gives us something outside of what we see in our everyday lives. |
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