Apparently the show “gets good at episode 3”? Who came up with this idea?

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Mq84jdk said:
Episode 3 reveals a huge plot twist about the MC and basically unveils the real relationship betweent the three main characters and why the MC acts the way he does.

It goes from “this MC is boring, why do they care about him” — to “holy shit, that’s tragic. Ok everything in the last few episodes makes perfect sense now”. The MC is incredibly driven and is willing to make massive sacrifices to achieve his goal.

So that one backstory makes the show now “super incredible”? It’s not like that doesn’t stop the character from still acting like a dense romcom MC.

Aug 7, 2022 10:25 AM

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MegaStride said:

Mq84jdk said:
Episode 3 reveals a huge plot twist about the MC and basically unveils the real relationship betweent the three main characters and why the MC acts the way he does.

It goes from “this MC is boring, why do they care about him” — to “holy shit, that’s tragic. Ok everything in the last few episodes makes perfect sense now”. The MC is incredibly driven and is willing to make massive sacrifices to achieve his goal.

So that one backstory makes the show now “super incredible”? It’s not like that doesn’t stop the character from still acting like a dense romcom MC.

Yes it does because it explains everything and puts his behavior into perspective.

Every time Kisara kisses him and uses her Demon Powers to hunt down Demons she steals memories from him.

Over time all of his memories are being taken from him. His sense of self, his personality, everything that makes him who he is is being drained away from him. Kisara is stealing Shu’s memories of his true love away so that he won’t remember her anymore. It’s tragic and it puts his behavior into perspective.

Memories and experiences are what makes a person who they are. Imagine losing all of them - eventually Shu will no longer be recognizable - it’s tragic.

Aug 7, 2022 10:26 AM

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MegaStride said:

Mq84jdk said:
Episode 3 reveals a huge plot twist about the MC and basically unveils the real relationship betweent the three main characters and why the MC acts the way he does.

It goes from “this MC is boring, why do they care about him” — to “holy shit, that’s tragic. Ok everything in the last few episodes makes perfect sense now”. The MC is incredibly driven and is willing to make massive sacrifices to achieve his goal.

So that one backstory makes the show now “super incredible”? It’s not like that doesn’t stop the character from still acting like a dense romcom MC.

the hell is your problem? i've never heard anyone say after episode 3 its super incredible but it does change the story plus the mc isn't even dense, so what are you on? if you don't like it or if you're too stupid to understand, just stop watching.

Aug 7, 2022 10:27 AM

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you have been lied to , you knew it was trash the moment you watched the first episode, dont know why you expected it to get better one hour worth of episodes later, it didnt and it looks like it wont anytime soon

Aug 7, 2022 10:31 AM

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MegaStride said:

Mq84jdk said:
Episode 3 reveals a huge plot twist about the MC and basically unveils the real relationship betweent the three main characters and why the MC acts the way he does.

It goes from “this MC is boring, why do they care about him” — to “holy shit, that’s tragic. Ok everything in the last few episodes makes perfect sense now”. The MC is incredibly driven and is willing to make massive sacrifices to achieve his goal.

So that one backstory makes the show now “super incredible”? It’s not like that doesn’t stop the character from still acting like a dense romcom MC.

"acting like a dense romcom mc"
If you think this then you didn't understand his character at all. He was never dense. He loves Ayano and always has loved her. He just has to use Kisara to fulfill his objective and he has always known how she feels towards him which is why he can use her effectively. But he cannot reciprocate her feelings obviously because he loves someone else.

On the other hand, he's losing memories from the contract with Kisara so slowly and steadily he's starting to lose himself. That's very much tragic. And even with that, ep 3 just touches the tip of the iceberg. The thing gets even better and more pronounced in later episodes..

Aug 7, 2022 10:32 AM

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Mq84jdk said:

MegaStride said:

So that one backstory makes the show now “super incredible”? It’s not like that doesn’t stop the character from still acting like a dense romcom MC.

Yes it does because it explains everything and puts his behavior into perspective.

Every time Kisara kisses him and uses her Demon Powers to hunt down Demons she steals memories from him.

Over time all of his memories are being taken from him. His sense of self, his personality, everything that makes him who he is is being drained away from him. Kisara is stealing Shu’s memories of his true love away so that he won’t remember her anymore. It’s tragic and it puts his behavior into perspective.

Memories and experiences are what makes a person who they are. Imagine losing all of them - eventually Shu will no longer be recognizable - it’s tragic.

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@imdipak55

So that’s it? I don’t see how that improves the quality of the show. Basically, we know nothing about him that makes us actually care about his tragic situation. Us being randomly shown this dense MC only for him to have this “tragic” story doesn’t make him suddenly super deep, if anything it’s the writer’s lack of understanding that the character can’t be connected to. It’s like randomly walking into a stranger and then explaining their super tragic backstory. Like sure, it’s tragic, but we know almost nothing about you so why should we even care?

Aug 7, 2022 10:35 AM

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MegaStride said:

Mq84jdk said:

Yes it does because it explains everything and puts his behavior into perspective.

Every time Kisara kisses him and uses her Demon Powers to hunt down Demons she steals memories from him.

Over time all of his memories are being taken from him. His sense of self, his personality, everything that makes him who he is is being drained away from him. Kisara is stealing Shu’s memories of his true love away so that he won’t remember her anymore. It’s tragic and it puts his behavior into perspective.

Memories and experiences are what makes a person who they are. Imagine losing all of them - eventually Shu will no longer be recognizable - it’s tragic.

So that’s it? I don’t see how that improves the quality of the show. Basically, we know nothing about him that makes us actually care about his tragic situation. Us being randomly shown this dense MC only for him to have this “tragic” story doesn’t make him suddenly super deep, if anything it’s the writer’s lack of understanding that the character can’t be connected to. It’s like randomly walking into a stranger and then explaining their super tragic backstory. Like sure, it’s tragic, but we know almost nothing about you so why should we even care?

Then don’t watch. The show is good. The memory erasing is cool and shows why the MC is broken mentally. You’re complaining about a “dense” MC when they literally explain that he is broken mentally - they literally explain it.

The demons and the mystery of his family’s death is interesting. The fight scenes are well animated. The story and plot is getting better as it goes on.

It’s a good show, if you don’t like it don’t watch it.

Aug 7, 2022 10:36 AM

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Mq84jdk said:

MegaStride said:

So that’s it? I don’t see how that improves the quality of the show. Basically, we know nothing about him that makes us actually care about his tragic situation. Us being randomly shown this dense MC only for him to have this “tragic” story doesn’t make him suddenly super deep, if anything it’s the writer’s lack of understanding that the character can’t be connected to. It’s like randomly walking into a stranger and then explaining their super tragic backstory. Like sure, it’s tragic, but we know almost nothing about you so why should we even care?

Then don’t watch. The show is good. The memory erasing is cool and shows why the MC is broken mentally. You’re complaining about a “dense” MC when they literally explain that he is broken mentally - they literally explain it.

The demons and the mystery of his family’s death is interesting. The fight scenes are well animated. The story and plot is getting better as it goes on.

It’s a good show, if you don’t like it don’t watch it.

Ok I was just explaining how giving a tragic backstory to a character we know almost nothing about doesn’t make them a good character.

Aug 7, 2022 10:36 AM

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you have been lied to , you knew it was trash the moment you watched the first episode, dont know why you expected it to get better one hour worth of episodes later, it didnt and it looks like it wont anytime soon

If that was the case literally everyone who's watching wouldn't have outright claimed that this show gets much better from ep 3. Its an original anime. It has 0 source fanbase who will dickride it.

Aug 7, 2022 10:38 AM

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imdipak55 said:

zemeck said:
you have been lied to , you knew it was trash the moment you watched the first episode, dont know why you expected it to get better one hour worth of episodes later, it didnt and it looks like it wont anytime soon

If that was the case literally everyone who's watching wouldn't have outright claimed that this show gets much better from ep 3. Its an original anime. It has 0 source fanbase who will dickride it.

Not everyone is saying that, just some. Not that he is more important but even Gigguk after hearing people saying “episode 3 makes it better” thought it was still quite mediocre after. Which I 100% agree with.

Cestlavie_ said:
Ngl I preferred the first 2 episodes
the romance in this thing is going down a route I know I'm going to hate
I'm just here to watch the the whole house burn down

I honestly just though the first episode was good because it was just action-packed and some of the jokes and banter actually worked. Hasn’t been the same since.

Aug 7, 2022 10:45 AM

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imdipak55 said:

zemeck said:
you have been lied to , you knew it was trash the moment you watched the first episode, dont know why you expected it to get better one hour worth of episodes later, it didnt and it looks like it wont anytime soon

If that was the case literally everyone who's watching wouldn't have outright claimed that this show gets much better from ep 3. Its an original anime. It has 0 source fanbase who will dickride it.

i cant imagine anyone going crazy over the "fight" scenes or "story" and give it a 10/10, most are probably just in for the kisses, ecchi scenes, and good animation (very good at that) which is enough to put it at a high score. mfs just horny💀

Aug 7, 2022 10:45 AM

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MegaStride said:
I’ve been seeing some people commenting how “Engage Kiss is the definition of a 3-episode rule show”. However, 75% through episode 3 I’m just sitting here thinking; “Wtf were they talking about?”. 3 episodes later, the series still hasn’t changed. It has very shallow characters, the love dynamic over a boring MC with no real personality, and there is nothing keeping the story moving along besides some random mini-villain that is defeated in 2 episodes max.

Correct me for those who disagree, but in what way did episode 3 “make the series better”? Or even better, how is this series any good whatsoever? Because 6 episodes in and it has just gotten worse.

Edit: I think my thoughts below better summarize my issue with the MC

I don’t see how his “tragic backstory” improves the quality of the show. Basically, we know nothing about him that makes us actually care about his tragic situation. Us being randomly shown this dense MC only for him to have this “tragic” story doesn’t make him suddenly super deep, if anything it’s the writer’s lack of understanding that the character can’t be connected to. It’s like randomly walking into a stranger and then explaining their super tragic backstory. Like sure, it’s tragic, but we know almost nothing about you so why should we even care?

i am just here to say that i enjoy this anime

Aug 7, 2022 10:45 AM

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That’s because the show gets good at episode 4

Aug 7, 2022 10:50 AM

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zemeck said:

imdipak55 said:

If that was the case literally everyone who's watching wouldn't have outright claimed that this show gets much better from ep 3. Its an original anime. It has 0 source fanbase who will dickride it.

i cant imagine anyone going crazy over the "fight" scenes or "story" and give it a 10/10, most are probably just in for the kisses, ecchi scenes, and good animation (very good at that) which is enough to put it at a high score. mfs just horny💀

Which is crazy to me. Some of the fights aren’t even that good. Nothing has come close to topping episode 1 in any aspect. Imo, I think the animation hasn’t been that good either. Also, I can’t understand how people can love series that have a bad story and/or characters. It has to at least have one of those that are strong to make it engaging. This has neither.

Aug 7, 2022 10:54 AM

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I honestly just though the first episode was good because it was just action-packed and some of the jokes and banter actually worked. Hasn’t been the same since.

Ikr the first two episodes were more comedy and action based and it felt fun
I wish it kept the same tone through out
Not this cheesy melodrama I'm seeing
Is not like episode 3 revealed anything mind-blowing I'm sure we all guessed the mc probably had one backstory that required him to make a contract with a demon that comes with a risk. Idk I expected an action comedy I could turn my brain off and enjoy not a guilty crown clone with immoral romance ,

But eh u win some you lose some.[/quote]

Anime fans when there is an ounce of drama: “OMG this is so sad tearjerker incoming!”

MadanielFL said:
That’s because the show gets good at episode 4

Oh shoot lemme watch it then!

Aug 7, 2022 11:15 AM

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MegaStride said:

zemeck said:

i cant imagine anyone going crazy over the "fight" scenes or "story" and give it a 10/10, most are probably just in for the kisses, ecchi scenes, and good animation (very good at that) which is enough to put it at a high score. mfs just horny💀

Which is crazy to me. Some of the fights aren’t even that good. Nothing has come close to topping episode 1 in any aspect. Imo, I think the animation hasn’t been that good either. Also, I can’t understand how people can love series that have a bad story and/or characters. It has to at least have one of those that are strong to make it engaging. This has neither.

tbh I dont remember how good the animation was since I was almost always on the verge on sleeping watching this. and characters you talk about? well this show has absolutely no original characters the mc is just naofumi from shield hero but looks 9x dumber , the girl who helps him is also just inori from guilty crown with a mix of kurl from seraph . story wise? lets see a weak guy who gets stronger by using a girl yea this show definitely is not guilty crown or take op destiny or date alive to some extent, its just pure garbage but I can see the appeal, if this was one of the first few anime you picked up its gonna appear innovative or has good romance, but in reality it doesn't.

Aug 7, 2022 11:15 AM

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the show gets better after episode 3????. I can't really explain it, but the pieces start to fit bit by bit. and he's not dense. he loves ayano as much as she loves him. gikkuk said the show seems mediocre after episode 3. I kinda agree with him, the only highlight of this series is the fight scenes which are well animated. period

Aug 7, 2022 11:28 AM

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Yeah, it’s not that good. I put it on hold cause I was bored

The right mindset when watching an anime is hoping that it will break your top 10

Aug 7, 2022 12:18 PM

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Guys that new girl sharon is awesome,I like her already.
The backstory was dope too

Aug 7, 2022 12:35 PM

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It gets BETTER from episode 3 when you begin to have an idea of why the MC might be doing what he might be doing.

And dude, who tf is asking you to care? Setting aside the fact that it's a YOU problem rather than the anime's, the show must ensure that the reasons for why the MC does what he does are out there. If being tragic is the only thing you managed to gleam then stop watching the show since it exists above your understanding.

Aug 7, 2022 1:08 PM

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It doesn't necessarily get better with ep3 it just put the story in a new light, gave it a more serious tone and established the main attraction of the show namely the love triangle. MC would actually go so far sacrificing all of himself to solve the death of his family while his two main love interests have their own way of how to handle and deal with his self destructive behaviour, ultimately clashing in ep5 where I would say that it actually gets good.

It still may a bit trashy but both the romance and the main plot are really promising.

Aug 7, 2022 1:42 PM

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MegaStride said:
I’ve been seeing some people commenting how “Engage Kiss is the definition of a 3-episode rule show”. However, 75% through episode 3 I’m just sitting here thinking; “Wtf were they talking about?”. 3 episodes later, the series still hasn’t changed. It has very shallow characters, the love dynamic over a boring MC with no real personality, and there is nothing keeping the story moving along besides some random mini-villain that is defeated in 2 episodes max.

Correct me for those who disagree, but in what way did episode 3 “make the series better”? Or even better, how is this series any good whatsoever? Because 6 episodes in and it has just gotten worse.

Edit: I think my thoughts below better summarize my issue with the MC

I don’t see how his “tragic backstory” improves the quality of the show. Basically, we know nothing about him that makes us actually care about his tragic situation. Us being randomly shown this dense MC only for him to have this “tragic” story doesn’t make him suddenly super deep, if anything it’s the writer’s lack of understanding that the character can’t be connected to. It’s like randomly walking into a stranger and then explaining their super tragic backstory. Like sure, it’s tragic, but we know almost nothing about you so why should we even care?

no shit we know almost nothing about him, the mc barely knows anything about himself. idk if you're just ignoring that part of the whole mc loses his memories but it would kinda defeat the idea of the mc losing his memories if we knew about his memories before he did. the stuff that he does know we also know to an extent.

I dont even like this show and I can connect those dots, yes the show is generic, especially for an anime original, but it did significantly improve once the twist of episode 3 happened. the mc is boring, but there is a legitimate reason as to why he is the way he is, he isn't boring just for the sake of being boring. the show has shown us that he is extremely goal focused willing to throw away basically his existence to have a chance at saving his sister. while I don't think the twist saves the show, it will always be known as the worse a1 original this season, it definitely explains various aspects to the story and some complaints

Aug 7, 2022 2:16 PM

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zemeck said:

MegaStride said:

Which is crazy to me. Some of the fights aren’t even that good. Nothing has come close to topping episode 1 in any aspect. Imo, I think the animation hasn’t been that good either. Also, I can’t understand how people can love series that have a bad story and/or characters. It has to at least have one of those that are strong to make it engaging. This has neither.

tbh I dont remember how good the animation was since I was almost always on the verge on sleeping watching this. and characters you talk about? well this show has absolutely no original characters the mc is just naofumi from shield hero but looks 9x dumber , the girl who helps him is also just inori from guilty crown with a mix of kurl from seraph . story wise? lets see a weak guy who gets stronger by using a girl yea this show definitely is not guilty crown or take op destiny or date alive to some extent, its just pure garbage but I can see the appeal, if this was one of the first few anime you picked up its gonna appear innovative or has good romance, but in reality it doesn't.

Naofumi looks like any MC ever either way. Yeah, I could also say that any character is X character with a mix of other, good to know that nothing is different.

That's all you got from the story? I know the story hasn't gotten to a strong point, but only "a weak guy who gets stronger by using a girl" is your definition of the whole plot? Ok.

PD: This is nothing like Date A Live, why do people keep saying it is similar?

Aug 7, 2022 2:20 PM

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People told you why they think it gets better at episode 3, it seems to me that you aren't really searching the "why" and keep denying stuff you are being told of why they think that way.

Aug 7, 2022 2:24 PM

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its just gets more interesting in episode 3 because of the reveal on how he is forgetting things

Aug 7, 2022 3:16 PM

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Was great from episode 1, definitely didn’t need that rule

Aug 7, 2022 3:22 PM

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MegaStride said:
I’ve been seeing some people commenting how “Engage Kiss is the definition of a 3-episode rule show”. However, 75% through episode 3 I’m just sitting here thinking; “Wtf were they talking about?”. 3 episodes later, the series still hasn’t changed. It has very shallow characters, the love dynamic over a boring MC with no real personality, and there is nothing keeping the story moving along besides some random mini-villain that is defeated in 2 episodes max.

Correct me for those who disagree, but in what way did episode 3 “make the series better”? Or even better, how is this series any good whatsoever? Because 6 episodes in and it has just gotten worse.

Edit: I think my thoughts below better summarize my issue with the MC

I don’t see how his “tragic backstory” improves the quality of the show. Basically, we know nothing about him that makes us actually care about his tragic situation. Us being randomly shown this dense MC only for him to have this “tragic” story doesn’t make him suddenly super deep, if anything it’s the writer’s lack of understanding that the character can’t be connected to. It’s like randomly walking into a stranger and then explaining their super tragic backstory. Like sure, it’s tragic, but we know almost nothing about you so why should we even care?

Lovely, another tedious bait thread.

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So don't come here with your misconceptions looking for explanations to shoot down (because that's all you're after)

Go read some reviews by actual grown up critics and learn a thing or two.

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Aug 7, 2022 3:34 PM

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Smiddy23 said:
Was great from episode 1, definitely didn’t need that rule

straight facts. there’s no reason for people to cry over a show just because they don’t like it.

Aug 7, 2022 3:43 PM

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yamai_natsugami said:

Smiddy23 said:
Was great from episode 1, definitely didn’t need that rule

straight facts. there’s no reason for people to cry over a show just because they don’t like it.

Way too much of it these days for my liking. You’d think the industry was dying and we as consumers were getting screwed. I’m blown away season after season at a lot of the quality we get.

Not everything will be a 10, but as long as I’m entertained I’m happy

Aug 7, 2022 3:49 PM

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don't like it, don't watch it lol

Aug 7, 2022 5:44 PM

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The show is boring af, the first episode and even second one were fine, after that it just lacks any substance and everything is disjointed with very little interest and reasons to give a fuck about whatever is happening

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Aug 7, 2022 6:08 PM

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borderliner said:

MegaStride said:
I’ve been seeing some people commenting how “Engage Kiss is the definition of a 3-episode rule show”. However, 75% through episode 3 I’m just sitting here thinking; “Wtf were they talking about?”. 3 episodes later, the series still hasn’t changed. It has very shallow characters, the love dynamic over a boring MC with no real personality, and there is nothing keeping the story moving along besides some random mini-villain that is defeated in 2 episodes max.

Correct me for those who disagree, but in what way did episode 3 “make the series better”? Or even better, how is this series any good whatsoever? Because 6 episodes in and it has just gotten worse.

Edit: I think my thoughts below better summarize my issue with the MC

I don’t see how his “tragic backstory” improves the quality of the show. Basically, we know nothing about him that makes us actually care about his tragic situation. Us being randomly shown this dense MC only for him to have this “tragic” story doesn’t make him suddenly super deep, if anything it’s the writer’s lack of understanding that the character can’t be connected to. It’s like randomly walking into a stranger and then explaining their super tragic backstory. Like sure, it’s tragic, but we know almost nothing about you so why should we even care?

Lovely, another tedious bait thread.

Your lack of comprehension is your problem, and you're actually proud of it!?

So don't come here with your misconceptions looking for explanations to shoot down (because that's all you're after)

Go read some reviews by actual grown up critics and learn a thing or two.

haha agreed. want to upvote but theres no such option

Aug 7, 2022 6:14 PM

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threads like these are why I don't engage in any form of discussion on MAL.

Like what you like, hate what you hate.

If you don't like an anime that other people find enjoyable, then let it be. At the same time, no one should force other people to like an anime because "it gets good at episode 3". If they don't want to watch it anymore, or lack the proper understanding of story or characters, then let them be.

Me personally, I think this anime is okay. I see a lot of people compare this to Guilty Crown and tbh, I'm enjoying this a lot more than Guilty Crown because of how disappointing and messy the ending was, so Engage Kiss is a breath of fresh air compared to the latter.

That said, I think the pacing for the show is slower than I'd like it to be, despite the decent character work in the MC. I would've preferred if the show opened up with the death of Shu's family instead of introducing that several episodes into the season, but oh well.

This anime is nothing special to me in my opinion, and compared to the other A-1 anime this season, this definitely doesn't hold up but again, these are all my opinions. Let everyone else have theirs.

Aug 7, 2022 10:56 PM

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Ionliosite2 said:

zemeck said:

tbh I dont remember how good the animation was since I was almost always on the verge on sleeping watching this. and characters you talk about? well this show has absolutely no original characters the mc is just naofumi from shield hero but looks 9x dumber , the girl who helps him is also just inori from guilty crown with a mix of kurl from seraph . story wise? lets see a weak guy who gets stronger by using a girl yea this show definitely is not guilty crown or take op destiny or date alive to some extent, its just pure garbage but I can see the appeal, if this was one of the first few anime you picked up its gonna appear innovative or has good romance, but in reality it doesn't.

Naofumi looks like any MC ever either way. Yeah, I could also say that any character is X character with a mix of other, good to know that nothing is different.

That's all you got from the story? I know the story hasn't gotten to a strong point, but only "a weak guy who gets stronger by using a girl" is your definition of the whole plot? Ok.

PD: This is nothing like Date A Live, why do people keep saying it is similar?

what else do you want the story to be? in this show the girl takes the guys memories and becomes stronger to defeat a monster. this is literally the same plot as takt op destiny, they play out exactly the same not even joking, there are some differences tho ngl, one show is shit the other not as shit

Aug 8, 2022 12:06 AM

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borderliner said:

MegaStride said:
I’ve been seeing some people commenting how “Engage Kiss is the definition of a 3-episode rule show”. However, 75% through episode 3 I’m just sitting here thinking; “Wtf were they talking about?”. 3 episodes later, the series still hasn’t changed. It has very shallow characters, the love dynamic over a boring MC with no real personality, and there is nothing keeping the story moving along besides some random mini-villain that is defeated in 2 episodes max.

Correct me for those who disagree, but in what way did episode 3 “make the series better”? Or even better, how is this series any good whatsoever? Because 6 episodes in and it has just gotten worse.

Edit: I think my thoughts below better summarize my issue with the MC

I don’t see how his “tragic backstory” improves the quality of the show. Basically, we know nothing about him that makes us actually care about his tragic situation. Us being randomly shown this dense MC only for him to have this “tragic” story doesn’t make him suddenly super deep, if anything it’s the writer’s lack of understanding that the character can’t be connected to. It’s like randomly walking into a stranger and then explaining their super tragic backstory. Like sure, it’s tragic, but we know almost nothing about you so why should we even care?

Lovely, another tedious bait thread.

Your lack of comprehension is your problem, and you're actually proud of it!?

So don't come here with your misconceptions looking for explanations to shoot down (because that's all you're after)

Go read some reviews by actual grown up critics and learn a thing or two.

I don’t speak to children sorry

Mastigador said:
The show is boring af, the first episode and even second one were fine, after that it just lacks any substance and everything is disjointed with very little interest and reasons to give a fuck about whatever is happening

I guess some anime fans just eat up garbage and whatever has a hint of “drama”, whether it be poorly handled or not.

Aug 8, 2022 1:04 AM

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Meh. Maybe if we get a good resolution to his backstory, but yea. MC seems bland.

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Aug 8, 2022 1:29 AM

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Mq84jdk said:
Episode 3 reveals a huge plot twist about the MC and basically unveils the real relationship between the three main characters and why the MC acts the way he does.

It goes from “this MC is boring, why do they care about him” — to “holy shit, that’s tragic. Ok everything in the last few episodes makes perfect sense now”. The MC is incredibly driven and is willing to make massive sacrifices to achieve his goal.

Responding to posts by OPs like MegaStride is so wearing, any open and honest attempt to explain how you feel about a show is just one more target for them.

I think it's generally agreed the plot twist was well done and takes the show in a much more interesting direction.

Elitists think everything except their own personal favourite shows is garbage, so fuck them.

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Aug 8, 2022 2:03 AM

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"Very shallow characters"? For a very oblivious viewer, maybe.

Personally, I consider the Kisara-Shuu-Ayano triangle to be extremely interesting, especially the Kisara-Ayano interactions. Both show a certain degree of respect and sometimes even 'care' for each other, while at other times they really savagely go after the other one. I can say that the show managed to get me fully emotionally invested in both girls, and that is a claim which only few shows could make in recent seasons. Fumiaki Maruto knows how to write this kind of stuff - I love it.

Sharon is too much of a wildcard yet. Jury's still out there, though her current focus on pure violence doesn't endear her to me much. Which can change.

Shuu is a slacker prototype who normally annoys me to no end, but his special "lost memory" status makes things fresh enough and grants him a grudging pass with me. Though any guy who just sits around watching his lover clean up for him without helping is an ass in my book.

The show is perfectly fine. Not awesome, but certainly way above average.

Aug 8, 2022 9:48 PM

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Episode 3 revealed a major plot twist. Did they fuck it up? Yes indeed. Either way theres more factors in play than there was before so you can at least be entertained on thinking about what might happen.
Like Im expecting the guy that teamed up with Shu to betray him.

Anyways, if you hate it so much, why not just drop?

Aug 9, 2022 9:17 AM

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Triggerfish124 said:
Episode 3 revealed a major plot twist. Did they fuck it up? Yes indeed. Either way theres more factors in play than there was before so you can at least be entertained on thinking about what might happen.
Like Im expecting the guy that teamed up with Shu to betray him.

Anyways, if you hate it so much, why not just drop?

What did they fuck up, and who are they?

Quantum ille canis est in fenestra

Aug 9, 2022 10:34 AM

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borderliner said:

Triggerfish124 said:
Episode 3 revealed a major plot twist. Did they fuck it up? Yes indeed. Either way theres more factors in play than there was before so you can at least be entertained on thinking about what might happen.
Like Im expecting the guy that teamed up with Shu to betray him.

Anyways, if you hate it so much, why not just drop?

What did they fuck up, and who are they?

They as in the studio or the artist. The end of episode 3 was good because we got a small taste of what the mc has been through, and only the mc, that one old guy, and the demon knew. But then after that they just had the demon tell the ex what was going on. I thought that was rather lame. That type of stuff is best left unknown as long as possible, especially when we can have characters who dont know say the crappiest things, and then they have to realize what they did. Good examples of this happen in Bleach (the last aired arc), the Irregulat at Magic High (near the end of season 1), and Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion (very last episode).

Aug 9, 2022 11:25 AM

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Triggerfish124 said:

borderliner said:

What did they fuck up, and who are they?

They as in the studio or the artist. The end of episode 3 was good because we got a small taste of what the mc has been through, and only the mc, that one old guy, and the demon knew. But then after that they just had the demon tell the ex what was going on. I thought that was rather lame. That type of stuff is best left unknown as long as possible, especially when we can have characters who dont know say the crappiest things, and then they have to realize what they did. Good examples of this happen in Bleach (the last aired arc), the Irregulat at Magic High (near the end of season 1), and Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion (very last episode).

Ah I get you, so it wasn't the timing for the audience, it was who got to know in the cast.

I see where you're coming from but at the same time that taunt from Kisara directly led to Ayano seducing Shuu which has changed the dynamic again.

Well, I guess there's a new bunch of mysteries to ponder now that Sharon is in the mix.

Also, I think the guy is so obvious that he must actually be legit.

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Aug 9, 2022 12:01 PM

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borderliner said:

Triggerfish124 said:

They as in the studio or the artist. The end of episode 3 was good because we got a small taste of what the mc has been through, and only the mc, that one old guy, and the demon knew. But then after that they just had the demon tell the ex what was going on. I thought that was rather lame. That type of stuff is best left unknown as long as possible, especially when we can have characters who dont know say the crappiest things, and then they have to realize what they did. Good examples of this happen in Bleach (the last aired arc), the Irregulat at Magic High (near the end of season 1), and Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion (very last episode).

Ah I get you, so it wasn't the timing for the audience, it was who got to know in the cast.

I see where you're coming from but at the same time that taunt from Kisara directly led to Ayano seducing Shuu which has changed the dynamic again.

Well, I guess there's a new bunch of mysteries to ponder now that Sharon is in the mix.

Also, I think the guy is so obvious that he must actually be legit.

Yea I got that feeling too in the latest episode. Even though it was predicted I think it wouos have been more interesting. Lately it seems to me anime is getting scenes out where there's nothing more to the content than whats obvious.

Aug 9, 2022 1:06 PM

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The show is boring af, the first episode and even second one were fine, after that it just lacks any substance and everything is disjointed with very little interest and reasons to give a fuck about whatever is happening

That's what I'm saying. It was doomed to fail.

Aug 9, 2022 4:32 PM

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MegaStride said:

Mq84jdk said:
Episode 3 reveals a huge plot twist about the MC and basically unveils the real relationship betweent the three main characters and why the MC acts the way he does.

It goes from “this MC is boring, why do they care about him” — to “holy shit, that’s tragic. Ok everything in the last few episodes makes perfect sense now”. The MC is incredibly driven and is willing to make massive sacrifices to achieve his goal.

So that one backstory makes the show now “super incredible”? It’s not like that doesn’t stop the character from still acting like a dense romcom MC.

Are we even watching the same show? The MC is dense, really?

The MC is not dense at all, in fact, he is more experienced at love than 99% of other anime MCs. One of the women is his ex-lover and they even lived together in the past and had sex. It's just that at present, the MC is focused on finding the truth behind his family's tragedy and saving his little sister. He sacrifices everything for it, including his love life. He does not want to implicate his lover, so he left her behind without telling her anything. The MC is also aware that his demon partner is head over heels in love with him, and he happily exploits her feelings for him to make her do his bidding. He is not the typical nice guy MC we usually see, but he has a strong motivation behind him, not just some 'I want to be the good guy' justification.

Ep 3 is only the start, where we get to learn the motivation behind the MC, why he left his lover, and why is he only doing certain jobs despite living in poverty. Going forward, it becomes a tragic love triangle story that the audience can empathize with each character and want to root for.

Seeing you call him dense and lacking motivation makes me wonder if we are even watching the same show or if you even understand anything that you have watched so far. I have been watching anime for over 7 years and romance is one of my favorite genres, and EK is sitting among the top of my list right now.

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Aug 9, 2022 5:45 PM

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