| Why are the only people that gets called out and are labeled as an "elitist" the ones that like anime such as LotG, SeL, HxH, and etc. when they could simply just enjoy those shows because they think their genuinely pretty good. And why does that label only apply to those fans, why dosen't it apply to fans of the biggest shonen, who in my experience have been way more vocal on thinking they are superior to others because they like Demon Slayer, MHA, Jujutsu Kaisen, etc. I have anime such as Eva, Monster, Texhnolyze, Lain, etc. as favorites, and I still love shonen anime, and I never once think myself superior over others, yet shonen fans still call me a pretentious elitist for some reason lol. Its really wierd and I don't know maybe because the "cult anime" fans have been more vocal in the past, hence the stigma, but I think that kind of mentality is just as bad regardless of the show you are willingly to die on a hill for. Basically anyone who hates on other people's taste to just feel a sense of superiority are in my opinion being extremely sad and pathetic. That applies to shonen and non shonen fans alike. |
| Who the hell groups Legend of the Galactic Heroes and Serial Experiments Lain with Hunter x Hunter, another generic shounen shit? rollseyes |
| My subjective reviews: katsureview.wordpress.com THE CHAT CLUB. |
katsucats said: Dude regardless of what you think about HxH, a ton of people literally parade it as a "shonen above the rest" because they say its a "deconstruction" lol. Which it really isn't if you actually watched it. It's a personal favorite of mine and I definitely hate how people overhype it for all the wrong reasonsWho the hell groups Legend of the Galactic Heroes and Serial Experiments Lain with Hunter x Hunter, another generic shounen shit? rollseyes |
DOSS300Mar 18, 2022 11:20 PM
| how is hxh elitist? how is logh elitist when yamato exists? |
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| Regardless of favorites, anyone can be elitist. |
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Catalano said: No idea, these are just the ones most commonly associated as "elitist anime"how is hxh elitist? how is logh elitist when yamato exists? |
| It's more of an attitude thing than a "these are my favorite Japanese cartoons" thing... However, taste often does correlate at least in part with personality, so certain shows tend to attract certain people, which is where that stems from. |
| It's not so much about how good 'elitist anime' is as it is about how much negative criticism they get from self-proclaimed critics. Certainly, opinions vary even among the 'elitists', but anime like Legend of Galactic Heroes, Monster, and HxH receive very little criticism from these 'critics' compared to other popular titles such as Code;Geass, Haruhi, and Attack on Titans. Such titles are considered 'critically acclaimed' by those species of non-casual anime viewers, or 'elitists.' |
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| dang HxH got in line with LoGth. never thought I'd see the day coming so might as well start spreading my sword art online poster asuna's possible. |
| LoGH and SEL is normiest shit I've ever known. Are you even watching good anime if all you see are anime with more than a thousand viewers. |
Anime was it's best 20000 years ago, when cavemen drew art with real depth. Modern anime is all garbage. I miss great old days of anime. |
jvniper said: Because people who like LotG, SeL, Monster, etc and ONLY those sorts of titles don't like to have fun. They're sooooo boring. All they care about is appearing intellectual. They usually have a mean score of 5.99 or lower, too. Like, do they even like anime? I hate elitists so much. Bruh, my man think true fans must have a mean score over 8, which speaks of no distinction between what genuinely good and bad. I get that kind of mindset, since you are newbie. |
SgtBateManMar 18, 2022 12:15 AM
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| Monster and LoTGH have good characters. That is all |
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| Calling you an elitist is just laughable OP. |
| Well at the end of the day it's envy. A Shounen fan is unable to finish anime like "Monster", "Pet" and "Elfen Lied", because it goes over their head. On the opposite spectrum how many anime watchers accustomed to watching series like the ones I mentioned above, were able to finish "Prince of Tennis, Bleach and Naruto", close to a handful maybe. Since they have some experience watching, or attempting to watch "Legend of the Galactic Heroes". The most elitist show of all time. |
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| So, you're not an elitist, and you made a thread because a minority of people were mean to you about it? |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
LostSpectre said: No I'm not, that's not the point. What I'm saying is that elitism is not only limited to the "cult anime", shonen fans can be elitist asf alsoSo, you're not an elitist, and you made a thread because a minority of people were mean to you about it? |
| Apparently some people missed your point, OP |
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DOSS216 said: Technically, you can be elitist towards any singular genre, demo etc. but elitism in general has no such limitations. LostSpectre said: No I'm not, that's not the point. What I'm saying is that elitism is not only limited to the "cult anime", shonen fans can be elitist asf alsoSo, you're not an elitist, and you made a thread because a minority of people were mean to you about it? |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
| I also like all the popular "elitist" anime and shonen at the same time although I'm happy to report that it's been quite a long time since a shonen fan came up to me and called me an elitist whose opinion is irrelevant be cause I like Ashita no Joe or something. I would argue that Attack on Titan and KnY fans are the new "elitists" because they won't shut up about how their series is the best thing in fiction since Vergil. Or is it Virgil? I don't know. VERGILIVS that's it. |
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| Calling you an elitist would be a joke and disrespect to the word elitist. Jokes aside, You don't have to create an entire thread just because some internet stranger called you an elitist. Watching something or liking something doesn't give a validation to feel superior. What the heck is this? Just because someone likes something and they think that is profound and so they feel superior to others who doesn't like/watch that show. What sort of immature thing is this? |
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| Dunning–Kruger effect applied to anime: "If I can't enjoy a certain anime, those who say they do must be lying just to look smarter; I can't accept different perspectives". |
EdgyLord666 said: Well isn't that the point of the joke, I'm clearly not, yet its ironic that I'm still called one as I mentioned in the postCalling you an elitist is just laughable OP. |
DOSS300Mar 18, 2022 3:32 AM
| You're going to find gatekeepers anywhere. It's best to just ignore them and enjoy your favorites without caring about how they label you. |
DOSS216 said: ...and I never once think myself superior over others DOSS216 said: So you think you're equal to those sad and pathetic haters? Do you even read yourself? I'm sure with a bit of mental gymnastics you can rationalize pretty much anything, perhaps it's better to just drop any pretense and acknowledge you merely found your own little arbitrary way to feel superior to others.Basically anyone who hates on other people's taste to just feel a sense of superiority are in my opinion being extremely sad and pathetic. |
RentNoGirlfriend said: Perhaps you took that the wrong way, I made this thread to merely say that any type of elitism is bad obviously. Any other comments I may have add are just me blowing off steam. They pissed me off actively and I was taking a jab. Maybe you didn't find the jokes funny, fair. But its just making fun. Perhaps it was a bit abrasive, but I knew what I was going into when I made this threadDOSS216 said: ...and I never once think myself superior over others DOSS216 said: So you think you're equal to those sad and pathetic haters? Do you even read yourself? I'm sure with a bit of mental gymnastics you can rationalize pretty much anything, perhaps it's better to just drop any pretense and acknowledge you merely found your own little arbitrary way to feel superior to others.Basically anyone who hates on other people's taste to just feel a sense of superiority are in my opinion being extremely sad and pathetic. |
| battle shonen elitists are the worst indeed. Good sense of observation you have there, OP. |
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DOSS216 said: Fair, I guess I've seen this kind of arguments one too many times to get the irony. Apologies.Perhaps you took that the wrong way, I made this thread to merely say that any type of elitism is bad obviously. Any other comments I may have add are just me blowing off steam. They pissed me off actively and I was taking a jab. Maybe you didn't find the jokes funny, fair. But its just making fun. Perhaps it was a bit abrasive, but I knew what I was going into when I made this thread |
RentNoGirlfriend said: DOSS216 said: Fair, I guess I've seen this kind of arguments one too many times to get the irony. Apologies.Perhaps you took that the wrong way, I made this thread to merely say that any type of elitism is bad obviously. Any other comments I may have add are just me blowing off steam. They pissed me off actively and I was taking a jab. Maybe you didn't find the jokes funny, fair. But its just making fun. Perhaps it was a bit abrasive, but I knew what I was going into when I made this thread RentNoGirlfriend said: No worries, thanks for being understandableDOSS216 said: Fair, I guess I've seen this kind of arguments one too many times to get the irony. Apologies.Perhaps you took that the wrong way, I made this thread to merely say that any type of elitism is bad obviously. Any other comments I may have add are just me blowing off steam. They pissed me off actively and I was taking a jab. Maybe you didn't find the jokes funny, fair. But its just making fun. Perhaps it was a bit abrasive, but I knew what I was going into when I made this thread |
| I like shounen and I'm honest with my taste but I hate most of the new shounen and being a elitist or having a low mean score doesn't mean you are great. And Monster and HxH are not masterpieces. There are many flaws which are ignored by the elitists. They just like popular anime like Death Note as overrated but Monster is the one which is more overrated. It is not a bad shoe but I don't agree with people who call it a masterpiece |
Maxtronex said: Well calling something a masterpiece is subjective. Works of fiction "having many flaws" is completely subjective and boils down to bias and tolerance towards certain themes.I like shounen and I'm honest with my taste but I hate most of the new shounen and being a elitist or having a low mean score doesn't mean you are great. And Monster and HxH are not masterpieces. There are many flaws which are ignored by the elitists. They just like popular anime like Death Note as overrated but Monster is the one which is more overrated. It is not a bad shoe but I don't agree with people who call it a masterpiece Saying people just ignore flaws falls flat for me because your basically taking your own opinion and talking as if they are objective when most of the points can be debated, if you don't consider something a flaw then you are under no obligation to consider it as such. I'm not saying HxH and Monster are objectively perfect but I'm also not saying they are objectively flawed either |
Nisemonoda said: Yeah unfortunately Apparently some people missed your point, OP character count: 30 |
DOSS216 said: Maxtronex said: Well calling something a masterpiece is subjective. Works of fiction "having many flaws" is completely subjective and boils down to bias and tolerance towards certain themes.I like shounen and I'm honest with my taste but I hate most of the new shounen and being a elitist or having a low mean score doesn't mean you are great. And Monster and HxH are not masterpieces. There are many flaws which are ignored by the elitists. They just like popular anime like Death Note as overrated but Monster is the one which is more overrated. It is not a bad shoe but I don't agree with people who call it a masterpiece Saying people just ignore flaws falls flat for me because your basically taking your own opinion and talking as if they are objective when most of the points can be debated, if you don't consider something a flaw then you are under no obligation to consider it as such. I'm not saying HxH and Monster are objectively perfect but I'm also not saying they are objectively flawed either I don't clearly remeber about HxH but I can explain about why I consider monster as flawed. The anime didnt expaln about many things which I feel were necessary like The things which I have listed are the ones which doesn't explain Johan well. Still people call him a great villain. Also the elitists who call Monster as perfect are the ones who consider as objectively perfect rather than subjectively. Objectively there is no masterpiece. |
| Elitism exists in every fandom, even among fans of the most casual-friendly shows like SAO or Naruto you'll find some people being elitist about them. Anyone trying to tell you elitism is only or mainly linked to certain shows is lying to you and probably an elitist himself, looking down on certain shows and their fans just because someone on the internet told them that they're 'elitist'. The 'anti-elitists', those who are still around, have become what they claim to hate. But in reality they never hated 'elitist behaviour', they simply hated certain shows and their fans and were just marketing that hatred as being targeted towards 'elitism' because the community was receptive for such bullshit line of reasoning. They were true elitists from the start, which is the biggest irony in all of this. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| People who like LotGH aren't elitists they are fujos |
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Alcoholicide said: Yeahh completely agreed, that was the point I was trying to make, you basically hit the nail on the head. From my experience in contrast to others, calling people an elitist just because they like "underground anime" more than shonen is just as bad as being an elitist in of itself.Elitism exists in every fandom, even among fans of the most casual-friendly shows like SAO or Naruto you'll find some people being elitist about them. Anyone trying to tell you elitism is only or mainly linked to certain shows is lying to you and probably an elitist himself, looking down on certain shows and their fans just because someone on the internet told them that they're 'elitist'. The 'anti-elitists', those who are still around, have become what they claim to hate. But in reality they never hated 'elitist behaviour', they simply hated certain shows and their fans and were just marketing that hatred as being targeted towards 'elitism' because the community was receptive for such bullshit line of reasoning. They were true elitists from the start, which is the biggest irony in all of this. |
Alcoholicide said: Also to add to your point, I'm just gonna mention one of the reasons why I bothered making this thread. Aside from bumping heads with other fans on other forums,there was this one tweet that fully encapsulates this type of mentality. Unfortunately I can't link it got rightfully taken down, but it basically said that "if you like this anime from this top 50 list you are an elitist". The picks he chose particularly infuriated me because they were all quite varied coming from multiple genres. He picked Hyouka, A Silent Voice, Evangelion, Texhnolyze, Oregairu, Berserk, etc. And what makes the shonen bias even more clear, is he didn't put one single shonen on there, not even HxH. Now I know twitter in general is a cesspool, and I shouldn't give it much attention, but the amount of people agreeing with it and talking shit about others using that tweet as validation really rubbed me off the wrong way.Elitism exists in every fandom, even among fans of the most casual-friendly shows like SAO or Naruto you'll find some people being elitist about them. Anyone trying to tell you elitism is only or mainly linked to certain shows is lying to you and probably an elitist himself, looking down on certain shows and their fans just because someone on the internet told them that they're 'elitist'. The 'anti-elitists', those who are still around, have become what they claim to hate. But in reality they never hated 'elitist behaviour', they simply hated certain shows and their fans and were just marketing that hatred as being targeted towards 'elitism' because the community was receptive for such bullshit line of reasoning. They were true elitists from the start, which is the biggest irony in all of this. |
DOSS300Mar 18, 2022 9:04 AM
DOSS216 said: Alcoholicide said: Also to add to your point, I'm just gonna mention one of the reasons why I bothered making this thread. Aside from bumping heads with other fans on other forums,there was this one tweet that fully encapsulates this type of mentality. Unfortunately I can't link it got rightfully taken down, but it basically said that "if you like this anime from this list you are an elitist". The picks he chose particularly infuriated me because they were all quite varied coming from multiple genres. He picked Hyouka, A Silent Voice, Evangelion, Texhnolyze, Oregairu, Berserk, etc. And what makes the shonen bias even more clear, is he didn't put one single shonen on there, not even HxH. Now I know twitter in general is a cesspool, and I shouldn't give it much attention, but the amount of people agreeing with it and talking shit about others using that tweet as validation really rubbed me off the wrong way.Elitism exists in every fandom, even among fans of the most casual-friendly shows like SAO or Naruto you'll find some people being elitist about them. Anyone trying to tell you elitism is only or mainly linked to certain shows is lying to you and probably an elitist himself, looking down on certain shows and their fans just because someone on the internet told them that they're 'elitist'. The 'anti-elitists', those who are still around, have become what they claim to hate. But in reality they never hated 'elitist behaviour', they simply hated certain shows and their fans and were just marketing that hatred as being targeted towards 'elitism' because the community was receptive for such bullshit line of reasoning. They were true elitists from the start, which is the biggest irony in all of this. That's the next thing about 'anti-elitists' that is ironic. Every single one of them has a different list of 'elitist shows' noone is allowed to like and often their lists will directly contradict each other too. That's because everyone is just listing shows they personally dislike or where they have encountered a rude fan 5 years ago and now hate the entire fandom. Their lists are really nothing but personal hate-rants which is why you'll never see two of them have the same list of 'elitist shows'. Though the shows your guy lists feel particularly random. Hyouka is pretty shit and I've never seen it being listed in this context before and most people who like critically acclaimed shows aren't too fond of it. Only the more hardcore slice of life fans usually are. And Oregairu is usually hated by 'elitists' and more known as a show that edgy, casual teens glorify and misunderstand. A Silent Voice is about as mainstream friendly as it gets so also a weird pick imo. Only NGE, Tex and maybe Berserk are shows I'd expect them to name since I see those on a lot of similar lists, at least NGE or Tex are always being mentioned. Btw just get off twitter, I can recommend it :> |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
yeah you are an elitest and thats not a good thing. |
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EmanRB said: jvniper said: I legitimately think those shows are very engaging and interesting to follow. To be honest, I enjoyed much more watching those than watching supposedly more entertaining shows like Hunter x Hunter, and I love Hunter x Hunter.Because people who like LotG, SeL, Monster, etc and ONLY those sorts of titles don't like to have fun. They're sooooo boring. All they care about is appearing intellectual. They usually have a mean score of 5.99 or lower, too. Like, do they even like anime? I hate elitists so much. Yeah it's pretty funny that people who don't enjoy those kind of shows can't comprehend that they are actually VERY enjoyable to those who like them. Why else would we watch them? It shows such an inability to consider anything outside your own, very narrow point of view, it's kinda sad. To be completely unable to put yourself in anyone's shoes except your own must be pretty lonely. Instead of assuming that we get something out of them that they don't and that's why we watch and love those shows, they instead assume that we feel also find them boring and just lie about it to come across as 'intellectual' or whatever. It's such a toxic assumption and mentality to have, I wonder if those people have the same levels of toxic assumptions about everyone and everything that doesn't align 100% with their personal experience. I think the truth is that they are just incredibly insecure about not being able to enjoy and appreciate those 'intellectual' shows, about not being 'intellectual' enough themselves. They would love to be, but they aren't. In reality it's perfectly fine and noone would judge them for it aside from themselves (well, some probably would but most wouldn't since it's just a matter of preference/personality). But they get so insecure about it that they have to completely deny the existence of 'intellectual' people who genuinely enjoy 'intellectual' shows in the same way that other people enjoy a battle shounen or comedy. Because if those 'intellectuals' don't exist and are just lying about it then they don't have to deal with their inferiority complex revolving around their inability to appreciate anything intellectual. Because in their reality noone actually can and noone actually does and it's not just them missing out on something that other people genuinely appreciate. It's those others lying to them! The mental gymnastics necessary for that are quite something.... Personally I love both dumb battle shounen and more intellectual anime and I recognize how different the experiences are and therefore I can easily understand that a lot of people lean more towards one side than the other. And even 'elitists' usually appreciate the fact that the more mainstream and casual-friendly shows have a strong appeal to their fans even if they themselves don't like those low-brow shows. It's only the 'anti-elitists' who can't accept that people with different taste legitimately exist and enjoy shows that they don't like. They're the only kind of anime fan who is like that. Others may look down on different tastes, but only the anti-elitists accuse people of literally lying about their taste for made-up reasons. It's ridiculous. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| Imo, everyone just needs to be more open-minded and embrace ✧ diversity ✧ Not every show has to be "intellectual" or complicated, nor does every show need to be action-packed and straightforwardly "entertaining." Shows are written for different purposes to highlight different facets of what is art and entertainment, and likewise, people can also watch things for completely different reasons. How many people complain about comedy SoLs like Nichijou having no plot or a lack of well-developed characters? Is there a need to criticize sports shows like Haikyuu for not having deep themes or messages? These are the obvious examples that can represent a genre as whole, but even within a genre, people should be less narrow-minded imo. Not all dramas need well-written characters; not all shounen need amazing fights/power systems; not all shoujo need relatability, etc. |
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| A few decades from now Generation Alpha users will be calling a majority of Generation Z user elitists for simply being obsessively loyal to franchise released that they grew up watching. While also a majority of users will be proclaiming that the beginning of the golden age of Anime started around the year 2040 in this distant future. |
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