| I think they should so that they can have an opinion that doesn't look stupid due to lack of knowledge. Especially if the anime is based on a visual novel. |
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| They can but its not obligatory in my opinion |
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Eziprez said: Only if they want to make claims about the franchise as a whole. If you've seen only the anime and you have criticisms about it then you are allowed to say them. If the source has lore that isn't in the anime, then you appreciate the anime more if you know it. |
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| if an anime is bad without knowledge of the source material it has failed as an adaptation |
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G1llette said: if an anime is bad without knowledge of the source material it has failed as an adaptation No, anime that are already good. They will be even better then. Because I want to know every single thing about my favorite characters. I want to know everything about their private lives. |
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| yep definetely or they would end up embarrassing emselves |
| if I care enough, I will check the original. imo it's worth knowing. example: I started reading chaos:head. I downloaded the quaser manga. example2: after finishing index s2, I said I'll read the novels after s3. s3 only happened after 8 years, and it adapted(rushed) everything so badly that it left a sour taste. not interested anymore. |
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| Well, it's mostly okay until they start trashing the author for something that is bad due to poor adaptation. Or bash on a fan favorite character ruined by adaptation. |
| "All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo |
| yes, but @Erebus_Akeldama aka stinky poopy head is disrespectful to aot manga. just because some peeps spoiled him. |
IpreferEcchi said: I think they should so that they can have an opinion that doesn't look stupid due to lack of knowledge. Especially if the anime is based on a visual novel. Nope. Source material can be different from the anime.So when is talking about the anime its like talking about a different story cannon. |
| Not at all. The anime must work by itself. If you say "But in the manga it's better explained" than it means that the anime isn't good. Anime =/= Visual Novel =/= Light novel =/= manga =/= book =/= movie =/= video game =/= TV series |
| If you're a fanboy, please don't waste my time. Watch more movies, please. Perhaps, this is hell. |
| Anime is a medium to adapt to others mediums or do original work. Therefore they can and must work on their own. That's why I hate anime that assumed I don't need context or development. |
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| Not to me. The anime should be good enough to stand on it's own. It shouldn't be mandatory or obligated. |
| My waifu is the most wonderful waifu. Mai Valentine. We're freaking out that we're running out of time, but to do what? Should i stop and think of that? Is there something i could do to slow it down? Live in a day for once, instead of watch it sprinting by |
| no, I think a good anime adaption includes everything one needs to make a valid assessment |
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| They can but I don't think its a big deal. Like when people mainly Fate fans get bent out of shape when an anime-only fan doesn't like Shiro and they didn't plan the original VN. I think its important to respect the source material as that is the author's original work but its not necessary to be familiar with it if you are just watching the anime if its a good adaption. Plus if that was the case we would have a lot more annoying manga readers. |
snowykevin said: no, I think a good anime adaption includes everything one needs to make a valid assessment but what if it's a bad adaptation *cough toaru season 3 *cough* as far as the index series goes unless we get a full blown FMAB styled reboot read the novel. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
| I generally only read manga if I want to see how the story ends after the anime (if its inconclusive) so I would definitely disagree. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
| nah nah, they should just add this after each sentence "i haven't read the manga though", yes, even if the source is a novel |
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| no, lol. what a stupid idea. anime is anime. if it can't stand on it's own without source material than fuck it, it's bad. |
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| Most anime are inconclusive, so one has to read the souce if they are really interested. If not, then no need But i get what a mean lot of users criticize manga or author for anime being trash or bad animation |
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| Yes. I am guilty of reading the manga afterwards and only in some cases when I'm - very disappointed in the anime - very satisfied with it and want to find more so i know more details and make sure they didn't actually miss important details. It happens very often that the anime is labeled as good, but it misses the entire point of the manga. |
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| They can if they want. But they should? OBVIOUSLY NOT. If an adaption fails at giving the proper understanding to the audience, it's a problem with the adaption, not the consumer. |
| "Should" makes no sens. I think it's needed to give a proper evaluation of an adaptation tho, ESPECIALLY when it's a "loyal" adaptation. If the anime is completely different from the manga it makes more sense to judge it in itself |
| Not necessarily. Only when they want to critique it. They might say they hate the story, but it might just be a bad anime adaptation. One good example is Umineko, whose anime and visual novel are like night and day. |
| I believe that if I watched an anime and feel the urge to read the manga afterwards then it's either a failed anime or an incomplete adaptation. While the latter is acceptable (like if the plot is really interesting or I want to further learn about the origins of characters etc.), the former is just a fail, nothing else |
ChouEritto said: They shouldn't be required to as a work needs to stand on its own merits. If an anime doesn't hold up as good due to changes to or omissions from the source material, it doesn't improve the anime to know the lost details but merely showcases the anime to be a poor adaption and the manga (or whatever the source material is) to be superior. I don't get why it seems for most people "changes and omissions" = "doesn't hold up as good". I'm vastly more annoyed whith """loyal""" adaptations (story-wise etc) that trivialize and standardize the source material, artistically or narratively. Why a more original work (unless it is really really bad) should be considered "bad" for being so? I'd say more, you can judge an anime in itself without knowing the original source ONLY if it is very different from it, because it become an entirely original story with very loose links with the original, while when it's loyal it makes no sense to value it in itself since the narrative content come from another work |
Oznerol7 said: ChouEritto said: They shouldn't be required to as a work needs to stand on its own merits. If an anime doesn't hold up as good due to changes to or omissions from the source material, it doesn't improve the anime to know the lost details but merely showcases the anime to be a poor adaption and the manga (or whatever the source material is) to be superior. I don't get why it seems for most people "changes and omissions" = "doesn't hold up as good". I'm vastly more annoyed whith """loyal""" adaptations (story-wise etc) that trivialize and standardize the source material, artistically or narratively. Why a more original work (unless it is really really bad) should be considered "bad" for being so? I'd say more, you can judge an anime in itself without knowing the original source ONLY if it is very different from it, because it become an entirely original story with very loose links with the original, while when it's loyal it makes no sense to value it in itself since the narrative content come from another work I understand what you mean, but I disagree. Even though the adaptation shares a lot of elements with the source material, such as story and characters for example, the adaptation still have them as the elements for it's own existence. You can tell a story is bad based on an anime (that has a manga as source) just as you can tell a story is bad based on a movie (that has a book as source). However, the judgement has to be restricted to what this person has consumed. So for example, let's say someone says that an anime is bad because the characters are not properly developed. Well, if in the manga the characters do actually get better development, then it's a problem with the anime adaptation, but since this is how the anime was produced it's a fault deserve mentioning. It doesn't, however, make the manga bad. Generally books and manga are better in story telling, because they have more "time" to work with, while anime and movies are more expensive and generally much shorter. But they should still be self-sufficient enough. |
| You are critiquing what you saw based on it what is was presented to you, period! You're not critiquing how it has been presented in other media, how loyal was the adaptation or how it was improved. You shouldn't have to take the optimistic stance of seeing unclear events as "not yet explained" or "justified by previous unseen events". You're critiquing THAT piece of work, not the franchise. If you wanna do a comparative review, do it, but expecting everyone to do their homework is gatekeeping |
ChouEritto said: Oznerol7 said: You clearly didn't understand the context behind what I was referencing as I specifically referred to lost details. If there are details within the source material of which being removed or changed make the plot and characters far less coherent, then it's bad both in terms of adapting the source and crafting a coherent story.I don't get why it seems for most people "changes and omissions" = "doesn't hold up as good". For example, the first season of the JoJo's Bizarre Adventure anime omits the scene in which Jonathan fights Wang Chen, making Dio later showcasing knowledge of Hamon's existence in the anime contrived at best and a plot hole at worst, making the anime for Part 1 inferior to the manga. What about Jack the Ripper tho, couldn't he have known hamon through his defeat? Btw i still preferred anime than manga for the first part of Jojo because of the art-style (initial Araki's art-style was a bit ripped off from Hara and kinda aged, in the anime it's more enjoyable). But besides this, you are still talking about more or less loyal adaptations. If the adaptations aim to be loyal than yes, i agree you should read the manga too to judge. But if it isn't and it's basically a different story with just the same characters and set up or just loosely inspired (for example first FMA series from a certain point onward) i think it should be easily judgeable in itself, and not be judged more harshly just for not being like the manga |
KssioAug said: Oznerol7 said: I don't get why it seems for most people "changes and omissions" = "doesn't hold up as good". I'm vastly more annoyed whith """loyal""" adaptations (story-wise etc) that trivialize and standardize the source material, artistically or narratively. Why a more original work (unless it is really really bad) should be considered "bad" for being so? I'd say more, you can judge an anime in itself without knowing the original source ONLY if it is very different from it, because it become an entirely original story with very loose links with the original, while when it's loyal it makes no sense to value it in itself since the narrative content come from another work I understand what you mean, but I disagree. Even though the adaptation shares a lot of elements with the source material, such as story and characters for example, the adaptation still have them as the elements for it's own existence. You can tell a story is bad based on an anime (that has a manga as source) just as you can tell a story is bad based on a movie (that has a book as source). However, the judgement has to be restricted to what this person has consumed. So for example, let's say someone says that an anime is bad because the characters are not properly developed. Well, if in the manga the characters do actually get better development, then it's a problem with the anime adaptation, but since this is how the anime was produced it's a fault deserve mentioning. It doesn't, however, make the manga bad. Generally books and manga are better in story telling, because they have more "time" to work with, while anime and movies are more expensive and generally much shorter. But they should still be self-sufficient enough. I don't even think we really disagree. Yes, i agree anime and manga are different genres and should be valued differently and on their own in general. I just think that since especially in later years anime adaptations from manga has mostly been (mainly because that's what fans requested) almost identical adaptions in almost every narrative aspect, saying "x anime is very good" when it has good story and characters from the manga but, for example, has mediocre animations, direction etc it isn't too fair to consider it "good" since the good aspects are aspects that aren't due to the anime itself, while failed on the peculiar aspects of the anime (that is different from just "enjoyment", of course being enjoyable on its own is a prerequisite for every decent adaptation) |
Oznerol7Jan 31, 2022 9:04 AM
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