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| Well done priest! At least someone in this series isn't 100% retarded. |
"At some point, I stopped hoping." |
| Wolf has always been my favorite character :/ The feels T_T |
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| This episode was not great. The set up was just strange, and who broke into the town and killed that guy? Maybe that will be explained in the next episode? I understand what Wolfwood was trying to do, but he didn't have to shoot to kill. Vash probably would have succeeded anyway. It was definitely a call back to Rem and the spaceship. The next episode looks like it may be Wolfwood's last. |
| I don't how to feel about this episode. |
| I don't find Vash's way of doing things annoying, at all. It's just the way he is and it's fine by me. He has to keep in mind that by risking his own life he also risks the lives of every human being though. But I'm sure he knows what he's doing, after all, he lived doing things like that all this time. MaxVdub said: Also, my assumption is that these worms are not normally a threat to humans as they immediately stopped attacking and left when he destroyed the device on the boy's head. Vash didn't want to kill innocents that were being controlled against their will. Good point, Vash could've easily known that these worms are not aggressive towards humans by nature, which might have helped him to draw a conclusion in this situation. Oh, and when it comes to not killing them... Weapons are not the ones doing the killing, humans are. And in this situation worms were those weapons. That's all that I have to say. |
Shikori_TsuMay 20, 2018 6:40 AM
| Absit invidia verbo... |
| Wolfwood did nothing wrong, Vash is annoying. |
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| Wolfwood Did Nothing Wrong |
| So Vash eats meat, but he's too good to shoot animals which are a danger to his friends? What a fucking hypocrite... Nicholas was completely right to set him straight. And a place without violence, wars and stealing? That place is called a dream, because it doesn't exist. |
| God. Who was that at the end? this is getting intense again. I hate to see the priest and Vash fight, their friendship has always been adorable. |
| While being optimistic and idealistic in your world beliefs isn't inherently a bad thing, I'll have to admit that Vash is too much of a softy at times even if it means going against all logic and that results in things turning out a lot worse than it should've. I still respect him a lot for sticking with his ideals though. I can see why Wolfwood shot Zazie like that but it was a very unpleasant thing to see that he killed someone who could've redeemed himself. It's risky as hell to let Vash continue with his negotiations but it really felt like the supposed demon was just a traumatized kid deep within. I actually wouldn't mind if he killed the Saxophonist instead since it's very likely that he was the pied piper who mind-controlled everyone into leaving the kid's hometown. Perhaps that's just the truth of this world (well, of course it is) but at least the risk's been dealt with despite how distastefully it was done plus the point that the kid probably would've been killed off-screen by Legato, oof |
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| loved how they kept the story and character development through the action. seems to me like vash and wolf ideals very much like knives and vash. |
| Seems like Wolfwood had enough of Vash's terrible logic. I noticed a drop in the animation. Edit: Okay I understand that Vash is a foolish extreme pacifist so he got angry, but why the fuck is Meryl also angry at Wolfwood for saving her life and also the city? She became a non-logical pacifist now too?   |
DeagoMar 4, 2021 11:36 PM
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| @Deago she´s clearly attracted to Vash, which means she has been moved by his idealistic actions. Most of the times when you like someone you tend to take some of their traits and be "influenced" by them. Before going into the pacifist drama, I do have to say the series is way better after episode 11. There are still very mediocre stuff in there but overall the tone is a lot better. Now, I do understand the reasoning behind Vash´s pacifism, but it just doesn´t work most of the times, I still find it "good" but stuff like "I can´t kill animals, but I can shoot a building to crush the same animal" is way beyond stupid. He´s not even vegan, so the whole "but what about the animals" is not smart at all. In my opinion, it would´ve worked better if his ideology was more about "Killing is bad because we shouldn´t change the natural order of things" not because "I need to save the killer and the killed" which, ironically, never works in this own series, and it´s the entire reason why he is called a typhoon. |
Pakumen- said: @Deago she´s clearly attracted to Vash, which means she has been moved by his idealistic actions. Most of the times when you like someone you tend to take some of their traits and be "influenced" by them. Before going into the pacifist drama, I do have to say the series is way better after episode 11. There are still very mediocre stuff in there but overall the tone is a lot better. Exactly, I was criticising the fact that she became a "female Vash," losing her previous original personality and individuality as a character, I dislike characters who become a mere copy or follower of another character, compare her to Milly -who's better written and more developed character-, Milly sees Vash's ideals, then either states her opinion about them, or at least takes some aspects of it and mixes them. Vash being Meryl's love interest was the only justification for her sloppy character development; being a carbon copy of Vash makes her a dependent female character, a dependent thinker, and the existence of that thinking-dependency wasn't meant to explore a theme about "independent thinking." tldr; bad character writing. |
DeagoMar 24, 2021 12:16 PM
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| They're so sweet with the kids, especially Meryl. The sandworm battle was badass. I mean, Wolfwood was probably right. Vash can avoid and even sustain injuries from humans but probably not survive a demon. Who's the dude with the other cross at the end? |
| Vash and his utopian ideas are ridiculous. At least the priest can understand that |
| The whole theme about Vash's "pacifism" has worn out, he is too overpowered to sell the idea that he struggle with trying to save everyone, especially when the first episodes showed that he could but now he just moping around and barely doing anything else so the priest could have a point about killing the boy/demon/whatever that it was supposed to be. The animation was bad from start to finish. |
| Only person with some sense in the whole series - Wolfwood, I know the kid wasn't going to shoot them but damn is Vash trying his luck out way too much |
| This is certainly a good episode it presents two perspectives on how to handle a dire situation, one for Vash and one for Wolfwood. While I’d say neither were in the right, Vash wants to protect people from harm but there was no way of knowing if the kid was still there when Zazie possessed him and he could’ve easily killed Vash if he wanted. Vash has got good moral principles about him but he can’t surely have said principles work out in his favour all the time. As for Wolfwood? While he makes sound points about killing when the odds are stacked up against each other and doing what you must. But the thing is he didn’t even hesitate to kill the kid in question. Yeah sure Zazie was in control at the time but what if Zazie let control of the body because he thought there was no point in having the kid as leverage? Did he not think to consider that possibility before shooting? But maybe I’m over thinking this about the moralities of Vash and Wolfwood in particular because they are meant to be polar opposites for good reason. That said, it looks like we will getting more about Wolfwood in the next episode. Shame he left them like that. Maybe the both of them will reconsider their points of view, maybe not, I’ll wait and see what happens. For now? Like I said it was a good episode and it was a nice showcase of both Vash and Wolfwood in particular. |
| Wolfwood is unfortunately right, Vash needs to toughen up a bit. |
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| Rem ruined Vash's life with the things she teaches to him. She believed in a perfect world that never gonna exist and ade Vash believed in same world. If she teached him that sometimes you need to make hard decisions to save others or even the analogy about butterfly and spider was explained to him differently there gonna be less people death by now. I understand that Merly likes Vash so she accepts his ideals more but its make her less of and interesting character and make Milly a lot more interesting because she has her own thoughts even when she supposed to be dumber one. |
Reply to satyrelfheim
This episode was not great. The set up was just strange, and who broke into the town and killed that guy? Maybe that will be explained in the next episode? I understand what Wolfwood was trying to do, but he didn't have to shoot to kill. Vash probably would have succeeded anyway. It was definitely a call back to Rem and the spaceship. The next episode looks like it may be Wolfwood's last.
| @satyrelfheim It was Midvalley the Horn Freak, we saw him in several episodes from the moment Legato was introduced. |
| Regarding Zazie, I see people shitting on Vash for not wanting to kill him, but I understand where both of them are coming from. To Vash, Zazie is just a scared child, he likely doesn't actually want to do this and was probably forced/manipulated by Legato or Knives. I believe this because his motivation, hating children, and reasoning are fittingly very childish, lying to himself to fit in and be accepted by the other Gung-Ho Guns. On the other hand, even if he wouldn't kill Vash, Zazie was holding Meryl and the other kids hostage, killing him was necessary to prevent any possible harm as even a kid, especially in this world and even more so with the Gung-Ho Guns' influence, would be a capable of pulling the trigger. I actually side with Vash more, despite pushing his luck a little, he actually seemed close to changing his mind. |
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