Fujoshi said: AnimeDownUnder said: Ironic you talk about natural selection when Israel did the largest study on natural immunity vs vaccine immunity and it showed natural immunity was more effective at preventing covid. Those who weren't vaccinated and got infected had a better immunity to it and less chance of getting infected again. Haha seems contradicting you mention natural selection when the facts show quite the opposite of what you claim...antivaxxers in this case have the better immunity to it go check the studies done in Israel. fake news. beside that, would you really risk your life trying to get "natural imunization", with high chance to get several and fatal symptoms??? i think you dont. People getting "natural imunization" its not a fact. its lucky. dont try to force this to others people Except forms of natural immunization was historically used to a great effect to reduce death rate from infections and it's been proven and documented to work over the centuries. |
Lucifrost said: deg said: the infection rate of the flu or common cold is lower so it did not reach pandemic levels It happened with the swine flu pandemic. How do you think we beat it without forcibly vaccinating everybody? The swine flu never became a pandemic. So it's obvious there was no need to force anyone to do anything. We were just lucky our government back then was more prepared to handle the swine flu before it got out of hand. One of the reasons why Covid-19 got so out of control was the lack of preparedness in the United States because the Trump administration defunded the very agency that would prevented an outbreak to pandemic level. |
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Feircei said: 0207xander said: Advil kills people every year too, doesn't stop people from classifying it as safe for the general public. And you would prefer to put yourself at risk for Covid, which has killed more people in your age range than the vax, rather than get vaccinated because of the risk involved? xD 1) I have been exposed to covid all the time, even had infected in the family 2) It's been 2 years, it's almost impossible that I have never been infacted even if I didn't have any cases in my family 3)I don't even know what advil is and I never mentioned it, therefore it makes no sense to bring it up, oh ok just googled it, it's a painkiller. But gues what? Painkillers aren't obligatory. Everyone in my family survived, except my mother's husband who was not blood related to any of us and therefore didn't have our genes. 1. Cool, I did not say Covid would be fatal for you, I said you have a higher risk of death from Covid than from the vaccine (which is true) 2. It's been 2 years and I haven't had it either 3. Advil is the most common medication in the world, which is why I brought it up to equate the 2 and say that even something as commonplace as Advil can kill you, but that does not mean we should avoid it simply because a few people die each year. So what you're saying is that someone you know ACTUALLY died from Covid and NOBODY you know died from the vaccine and yet you somehow think the vaccine is more dangerous than Covid? xD |
ColourWheel said: Lucifrost said: It happened with the swine flu pandemic. How do you think we beat it without forcibly vaccinating everybody? The swine flu never became a pandemic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_pandemic https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/swine-flu https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html |
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Opticflash said: Ah so face coverings offer protection to the self. Thanks for the information, I didn't know that. Like I've said, I don't know if they do. My point being that while they are inconvenient and not necessarily effective at their task, I don't mind wearing them since there is essentially no harm in me doing so. If they are indeed effective like media and authorities say - great, if not - it might be inconvenient and awkward, but not life-changing in the long run. Vaccines, like any medicine, however, may cause permanent damage (at least in theory) and forceful vaccination of general population is an overreach of power. Fujoshi said: yeah but the chance of the product be bad is STILL extremely lower the risks of serious side effects from the vaccine are minimal compared to the risk of the virus itself. the government has always been like this and you consume everything it does there's no reason to not take the vaccine I've taken enough medicine in my life to know that every single drug may cause adverse side-affects and that after some time what is used to be considered safe and effective proved to be harmful later on. Because of this, I can't trust the drug that was created under a year, especially considering how poorly this pandemic has been handled by the media and the governments of the world. Forgetting about misleading headlines, broken promises and false claims, when I see people going on vacations across the world like nothing happens, the urgency to take the vaccine falls down. To users who blame the unvaccinated: you have an opportunity to persuade these people to take the covid-19 vaccine. By calling them dumb and unethical for being hesitant and distrustful, you are being counterproductive to your goal by alienating them further and making them even less likely to take the jab. |
Lucifrost said: It happened with the swine flu pandemic. How do you think we beat it without forcibly vaccinating everybody? By engaging in methods that decrease the spread of the flu. For instance, schools closed down during the swine flu pandemic. |
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iasuru said: Lucifrost said: It happened with the swine flu pandemic. How do you think we beat it without forcibly vaccinating everybody? By engaging in methods that decrease the spread of the flu. For instance, schools closed down during the swine flu pandemic. The schools in my city did not close. |
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Milennin said: Auron_ said: Mildly hot take: all unvaxxed people without a medical condition that makes it so they can't be vaxxed should be refused service and left to their own devices in the event they contract covid and request medical assistance. By that logic, you should be denying service to anyone who takes any risk in life. Oh, you broke your skull because you biked without wearing a helmet. No hospital for you. You crossed the road without looking left and right and got struck by a car as a result. No hospital for you. You played sports and got injured, you should have stayed safely inside watching TV instead. No care for you. You chose to have a shitty posture during your younger years and now your back hurts. Nobody's gonna care for you, because that's on you. I didn't say "no hospital", I said "no hospital for covid specifically" which I think is 100% fair. By not taking the bare minimum of actions for your countrypeople you're basically making a statement on either a) you think it's not a big enough deal or b) that medical institutions are not to be trusted. In the case of a), you should be consistent and have it remain no biggie and for b), if they're not to be trusted for the vaccine why should they be trusted to keep you alive when you get the disease? Again, consistency. |
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| Lucifrost said: Fujoshi said: would you really risk your life trying to get "natural imunization", with high chance to get several and fatal symptoms??? I think most people wouldn’t. In the case of the coronavirus, however, the chances of those symptoms are low. and with vaccine is LOWEST :D Feircei said: Fujoshi said: fake news. beside that, would you really risk your life trying to get "natural imunization", with high chance to get several and fatal symptoms??? i think you dont. People getting "natural imunization" its not a fact. its lucky. dont try to force this to others people Except forms of natural immunization was historically used to a great effect to reduce death rate from infections and it's been proven and documented to work over the centuries. man we are talking about covid, not chickenpox specialists ALREADY SAID that vaccine is better than risking your life and the natural imunization is a myth Lambdafrost said: Because luckily at that time, the virus didn't mutate into a more lethal form. Now it's a completely different situation so it's hardly comparable. Tannhauser said: Fujoshi said: yeah but the chance of the product be bad is STILL extremely lower the risks of serious side effects from the vaccine are minimal compared to the risk of the virus itself. the government has always been like this and you consume everything it does there's no reason to not take the vaccine I've taken enough medicine in my life to know that every single drug may cause adverse side-affects and that after some time what is used to be considered safe and effective proved to be harmful later on. Because of this, I can't trust the drug that was created under a year, especially considering how poorly this pandemic has been handled by the media and the governments of the world. Forgetting about misleading headlines, broken promises and false claims, when I see people going on vacations across the world like nothing happens, the urgency to take the vaccine falls down. So you're telling me you've never taken ONE medicine in your life? No, better. Are you telling me NOW is really the best time to think about this? Do you prefer the side-effect of one or two vaccines or the side-effect of the virus? Man, if you are young the least you will feel is an arm pain, the vaccine is no more dangerous than a disease |
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Tannhauser said: Opticflash said: Ah so face coverings offer protection to the self. Thanks for the information, I didn't know that. Like I've said, I don't know if they do. My point being that while they are inconvenient and not necessarily effective at their task, I don't mind wearing them since there is essentially no harm in me doing so. If they are indeed effective like media and authorities say - great, if not - it might be inconvenient and awkward, but not life-changing in the long run. Vaccines, like any medicine, however, may cause permanent damage (at least in theory) and forceful vaccination of general population is an overreach of power. Yep, mRNA vaccines, studied for years, are ineffective and may cause permanent damage. Much worse than the permanent damage to the heart, lungs and other organs brought on by covid. I'm not a biomedical scientist by the way. |
| Why should you be allowed to deny the life of others? We have laws against people shooting and stabbing other people because it's not a good society to live in to allow those things to happen. People should feel comfortable going outside knowing that they likely won't get killed or injured by others and that their attackers will be punished if it ever does happen. Why should it be any different for vaccines? If you're choosing not to get the vaccine it means you're putting your own freedom in front of the safety of others. It's a selfish act and it should be punished. The longer the pandemic goes on for the more revenue is lost so it's also only fair that the government should be able to collect money from the people too selfish to get vaccinated. |
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Fujoshi said: Do you prefer the side-effect of one or two vaccines or the side-effect of the virus? Man, if you are young the least you will feel is an arm pain, the vaccine is no more dangerous than a disease No, if you are naturally immune to a dissease then the vaccine is not safer than the dissease, specially a vaccine made in only one year. deg said: Lucifrost said: It happened with the swine flu pandemic. How do you think we beat it without forcibly vaccinating everybody? the swine flu is different than the covid-19 this current one is more problematic since covid-19 is more contagious so more chance of mutation or evolution to make way for more variants of concern And this is why the Corona virus will never die out no matter how much you reduce spreading, if 100% of the infected people on the world right now are magically cured, like instantly! then corona will come back the very next day from birds and other animals spreading it. |
zombie_pegasus said: Why should you be allowed to deny the life of others? We have laws against people shooting and stabbing other people because it's not a good society to live in to allow those things to happen. People should feel comfortable going outside knowing that they likely won't get killed or injured by others and that their attackers will be punished if it ever does happen. Why should it be any different for vaccines? If you're choosing not to get the vaccine it means you're putting your own freedom in front of the safety of others. It's a selfish act and it should be punished. The longer the pandemic goes on for the more revenue is lost so it's also only fair that the government should be able to collect money from the people too selfish to get vaccinated. Corona is not gonna magically stop existing because we get vaccinated. |
deg said: Feircei said: No, if you are naturally immune to a dissease then the vaccine is not safer than the dissease, specially a vaccine made in only one year. And this is why the Corona virus will never die out no matter how much you reduce spreading, if 100% of the infected people on the world right now are magically cured, like instantly! then corona will come back the very next day from birds and other animals spreading it. again endemic is better than a pandemic it's not if literally nothing changes, people die now, people will keep dying. literally nothing changes. |
Feircei said: Not overnight, but it's going to take a lot longer to go away or even be suppressed the fewer people who are willing to get it. Every people who gets it is making things better for humanity as a whole. The fact that so many people still haven't been vaccinated is what's allowing the virus to continue to mutate and become more infectious even to vaccinated people.zombie_pegasus said: Why should you be allowed to deny the life of others? We have laws against people shooting and stabbing other people because it's not a good society to live in to allow those things to happen. People should feel comfortable going outside knowing that they likely won't get killed or injured by others and that their attackers will be punished if it ever does happen. Why should it be any different for vaccines? If you're choosing not to get the vaccine it means you're putting your own freedom in front of the safety of others. It's a selfish act and it should be punished. The longer the pandemic goes on for the more revenue is lost so it's also only fair that the government should be able to collect money from the people too selfish to get vaccinated. Corona is not gonna magically stop existing because we get vaccinated. |
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Lambdafrost said: Feircei said: No, if you are naturally immune to a dissease then the vaccine is not safer than the dissease, specially a vaccine made in only one year. And this is why the Corona virus will never die out no matter how much you reduce spreading, if 100% of the infected people on the world right now are magically cured, like instantly! then corona will come back the very next day from birds and other animals spreading it. In what circumstances the virus has more chances of mutation and transmission? Hint: it's something related to vaccination. zombie_pegasus said: Not overnight, but it's going to take a lot longer to go away or even be suppressed the fewer people who are willing to get it. Every people who gets it is making things better for humanity as a whole. The fact that so many people still haven't been vaccinated is what's allowing the virus to continue to mutate and become more infectious even to vaccinated people. Precisely. did you vaccinate your dog? did you vaccinate the fish in the sea? the birds in the sky? they can still spread dissease and the disseases can still mutate in their bodies and adapt, making your vaccine useless. |
zombie_pegasus said: Not overnight, but it's going to take a lot longer to go away or even be suppressed the fewer people who are willing to get it. Every people who gets it is making things better for humanity as a whole. The fact that so many people still haven't been vaccinated is what's allowing the virus to continue to mutate and become more infectious even to vaccinated people. No you don't get it, you can't bring corona viruses to extinction, it is impossible, it's not gonna happen overnight and nover over 500 years. |
Lucifrost said: ColourWheel said: The swine flu never became a pandemic. So it's obvious there was no need to force anyone to do anything. We were just lucky our government back then was more prepared to handle the swine flu before it got out of hand. One of the reasons why Covid-19 got so out of control was the lack of preparedness in the United States because the Trump administration defunded the very agency that would prevented an outbreak to pandemic level. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_pandemic https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/swine-flu https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html I concede it very well might have been called a pandemic yet you took my quote completely out of context missing the point. So I have corrected this putting it back context. Back in 2009 we actually had a competent fully funded agency to deal with the swine flu before it got out of hand. The Trump administration completely defunded this agency. America was completely unprepared to handle Covid-19. |
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ColourWheel said: Back in 2009 we actually had a competent fully funded agency to deal with the swine flu before it got out of hand. What did they do to deal with swine flu? I didn’t even notice. |
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deg said: You cannot get herd immunity for a virus type that is like the common cold. Also, it's the vaccinated who are variant factories. The first known Omicron cases were "fully vaccinated"its different with a pandemic since herd immunity is badly needed to end it, again unvaccinated people are variant factories so they are a threat to the right to life of the vaccinated and those that cannot take the vaccines for medical reasons Also ironically, Africa seems to have pretty much no problem with SARS-CoV-2 compared to Europe with much higher vaccination rates. Maybe it has to do with them not using toxic stuff and having more sun? Also, it's completely moronic (anagram of "omicron") to test people with low or no symptoms and only focusing on that particular kind of treatment instead of other treatments in the early state of sickness when it's noticeable a sickness Well, I cannot expect much from people who parrot whatever they hear from media. Manipulation works best if you repeat, repeat and repeat everything, but in actual serious science, "stigmatising the unvaccinated is not justified" and even the supposed Corona virus "top expert" Christian Drosten said that "we do not have a pandemic for the unvaccinated" @GreyIllusion: I'm not sure if you have watched this video, but it's a fairly good summary in German about everything that has happened so far and will happen unless we somehow manage to stop it |
Lambdafrost said: Feircei said: did you vaccinate your dog? did you vaccinate the fish in the sea? the birds in the sky? they can still spread dissease and the disseases can still mutate in their bodies and adapt, making your vaccine useless. A very simple question(which has been answered by scientists), can dogs, cats or fish spread this virus? Any animal can spread any dissease. |
Lucifrost said: ColourWheel said: Back in 2009 we actually had a competent fully funded agency to deal with the swine flu before it got out of hand. What did they do to deal with swine flu? I didn’t even notice. If you are that curious about it go research it yourself. |
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GreyIllusion said: Just like a pregnant woman is allowed to abort, people should also be allowed to choose what they put inside their body. But now we have Austria(and Germany soon to follow) basically forcing people to vaccinate or else they receive a fee and possibly jail time. Why should a young, healthy and fit person have to be forced to take in their body something that's still experimental and could have side effects? Not to mention that they expect you to take a jab every six months. I'm not an antivaxxer but I can spot insanity from a mile.. Abortionists are the same people who say my body my choice, and my medical decisions are no one's business but mine. Yet most abortionists support vaccine mandates and vaccine passports. Apparently all the talk of my body my choice and my medical decisions are no one else's damn business was just a cover for wanting to legally kill their baby and nothing more. What about the Nuremberg Code? We're just gonna ignore it like this? People seem to forget that governments are the most untrustworthy entities on the planet.Followed by big business. But yet people are going blindly trust them.The US government has experimented on people, sterilized people and other shit.But yet people trust this same government's word on a vaccine that's barely been out a year. |
Feircei said: Fujoshi said: Do you prefer the side-effect of one or two vaccines or the side-effect of the virus? Man, if you are young the least you will feel is an arm pain, the vaccine is no more dangerous than a disease No, if you are naturally immune to a dissease then the vaccine is not safer than the dissease, specially a vaccine made in only one year. BUT HOW WILL YOU KNOW YOU WILL BE IMMUNE INSTEAD OF DYING? all anti-vax arguments are based on nothing omg ToT |
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Feircei said: Any animal can spread any dissease. We eradicated smallpox without vaccinating animals (because it’s a different kind of virus). You don’t seem to have a very good understanding of biology or history. |
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Fujoshi said: Feircei said: No, if you are naturally immune to a dissease then the vaccine is not safer than the dissease, specially a vaccine made in only one year. BUT HOW WILL YOU KNOW YOU WILL BE IMMUNE INSTEAD OF DYING? all anti-vax arguments are based on nothing omg ToT if you have been living with infected people and you never get infected, then it means you are immune. |
deg said: It's way more likely that it evolved because of the vaccination. There would be no need for vaccine-resisting attributes in areas with a low vaccination ratethey are still studying Omicron Variant on where it originated, so first case being fully vaccinated does not mean its the origin it can also mean that Omicron is a variant that bypasses the vaccines Those "vaccines" don't protect you from infection, they only say that it is "indicated for active immunisation to prevent COVID-19 caused by SARS-CoV-2 virus" which is already a major downgrade from "significantly reducing spread" or "preventing more severe cases" Fujoshi said: We got our fair shares of other Corona virus sicknesses as children and got immune from those in the sense that we normally won't get sick as adults unless we are strongly-enough stressed for a longer period of time or do other things that will reduce our immune responseBUT HOW WILL YOU KNOW YOU WILL BE IMMUNE INSTEAD OF DYING? all anti-vax arguments are based on nothing omg ToT This is called "cross-immunity" and is the reason why over 99.99% won't even notice the virus or at most get noticeable sick for 1-2 days and the rest of the week with very minor symptoms |
deg said: Noboru said: It's way more likely that it evolved because of the vaccination. There would be no need for vaccine-resisting attributes in areas with a low vaccination rate Those "vaccines" don't protect you from infection, they only say that it is "indicated for active immunisation to prevent COVID-19 caused by SARS-CoV-2 virus" which is already a major downgrade from "significantly reducing spread" or "preventing more severe cases" vaccines reduces viral load so less chance of mutations and variants no, the chances of mutation are the same, since it's a virus that can infect any living animal and not just humans. If you vaccinate a 100% of the humans, what stops the virus from evolving in animals and infect human again, what do you do then? another vaccine? and when it repeats , what then? another vaccine? and so on... |
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Noboru said: It's way more likely that it evolved because of the vaccination. There would be no need for vaccine-resisting attributes in areas with a low vaccination rate Those "vaccines" don't protect you from infection, they only say that it is "indicated for active immunisation to prevent COVID-19 caused by SARS-CoV-2 virus" which is already a major downgrade from "significantly reducing spread" or "preventing more severe cases" We got our fair shares of other Corona virus sicknesses as children and got immune from those in the sense that we normally won't get sick as adults unless we are strongly-enough stressed for a longer period of time or do other things that will reduce our immune response This is called "cross-immunity" and is the reason why over 99.99% won't even notice the virus or at most get noticeable sick for 1-2 days and the rest of the week with very minor symptoms so with all this you can affirm that everyone would be the same or even better if they hadn't been vaccinated? no, its not. animals can get covid but don't have enough viral load to transmit |
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Feircei said: if you have been living with infected people and you never get infected, then it means you are immune. I live with infected people and even so got the 2 doses of the vaccine BECAUSE I dont want to infect my beloved ones with stronger mutations or viral load Noboru said: It's way more likely that it evolved because of the vaccination. There would be no need for vaccine-resisting attributes in areas with a low vaccination rate another fake news. mutations occur due to high transmissions, not vaccines If viral transmission is low, any vaccine-resistant mutants that do emerge get fewer chances to spread, and thus, they're more likely to die out, said senior author Fyodor Kondrashov, who runs an evolutionary genomics lab at the Institute of Science and Technology Austria. |
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deg said: Feircei said: no, the chances of mutation are the same, since it's a virus that can infect any living animal and not just humans. If you vaccinate a 100% of the humans, what stops the virus from evolving in animals and infect human again, what do you do then? another vaccine? and when it repeats , what then? another vaccine? and so on... less infected people or less virus overall means less mutations and variants look at swine flu did it mutate more to a problematic variant right now? was everyone forced to get vaccinated for the swine flu? no, now shut it. |
Feircei said: was everyone forced to get vaccinated for the swine flu? no, now shut it. during the swine flu the antivax movement was not as strong as it is now, so there was no such problem :) great part of population got vaccinated at that time |
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Feircei said: If you have been living with infected people and you never get infected, then it means you are immune. This doesn't mean you are immune. You will never know if been infected unless you are actually tested. Just because you are showing no symptoms doesn't mean you can't keep spreading it to others. Further more you shouldn't use immunity as some blanket excuse. A vaccine is not a cure. A vaccines main purpose is to prevent diseases from spreading. |
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deg said: They do not for newer variants of SARS-CoV-2:vaccines reduces viral load so less chance of mutations and variants https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264262v1 Fujoshi said: I cannot affirm it for everyone, but the number is extremely low when compared to the total population. Which is also the reason why more young people under 20 over here died from drowning than from or with the SARS-CoV-2 virusso with all this you can affirm that everyone would be the same or even better if they hadn't been vaccinated? Fujoshi said: Tell me why we haven't heard much of Swine flu mutationsNoboru said: It's way more likely that it evolved because of the vaccination. There would be no need for vaccine-resisting attributes in areas with a low vaccination rate another fake news. mutations occur due to high transmissions, not vaccines |
Fujoshi said: Feircei said: was everyone forced to get vaccinated for the swine flu? no, now shut it. during the swine flu the antivax movement was not as strong as it is now, so there was no such problem :) great part of population got vaccinated at that time Fewer people were vaccinated for swine flu than for covid. GoodGit said: Which requires for a cure to be found before the vaccine can even be developed. That’s not even remotely true. |
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| Very nice, a 400 replies thread, that had not happened since the famous following thread (many replies got deleted): https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1868872 And what do we see? Nothing. pasanoid said: I had COVID about a year ago and it wasn't that bad: the sickness is a bit unpleasant but that's it. Sure, different people have different bodies and some are more susceptible to the illness but still the death rate of COVID is rather low. There is really no point in vaccinating each and everyone. Especially with vaccines that are not yet thoroughly tested and the data behind is still mostly hidden from the public. No-one can answer will the jab affect you body in the long run; because the 'long run' is still in progress. On the other hand, the eagerness the governments try to vaccinate everyone with is rather suspicious. I'm usually not the one to delve into conspiracy theories -- but in this day and age any conspiracy can easily take place and I wouldn't be surprised very much if it did. If anything I see this COVID mayhem as an attempt of the governments all around to turn citizens into a cattle: while basic human rights like freedom of movement, gathering, speech and whatnot are trampled -- the narrative just tries to make vaxers and anti-vaxers clash with each other. We often make fun of China's 'social credit system' or whatever but there is some indistinct darkness that engulfs western world and not many even notice. If you are not the one to believe in conspiracies, you certainly have the fine mindset of a conspiracy theorist. First paragraph is an anecdotal story, and the rest are outlandish allegations (prove that the data is hidden to the public). Long-term effects of vaccines are a myth, while long Covid is not. On the other hand, the eagerness the governments try to vaccinate everyone with is rather suspicious. Nothing suspicious to have governments eager to see the slaves get back to work as soon as possible. I'm usually not the one to delve into conspiracy theories -- but in this day and age any conspiracy can easily take place and I wouldn't be surprised very much if it did. What conspiracy exactly? Designing a virus whose mortality is about 2% for the first variants (0.1% for the Delta variant) and vaccines whose mortality is at least a hundred times smaller (about 1 chance in a million in fact). If anything I see this COVID mayhem as an attempt of the governments all around to turn citizens into a cattle: while basic human rights like freedom of movement, gathering, speech and whatnot are trampled -- the narrative just tries to make vaxers and anti-vaxers clash with each other. We often make fun of China's 'social credit system' or whatever but there is some indistinct darkness that engulfs western world and not many even notice. A temporary restriction of movement (how is free speech endangered by the way?) for sanitary reason does not imply that your precious human rights of having a beer with friends on Friday night will not eventually come back. It will always be time to fight against real infringements on personal freedom. It is a pity that the virus is not ten times deadlier for it would show more clearly the lack of ground of such allegations. We often make fun of China's 'social credit system' or whatever but there is some indistinct darkness that engulfs western world and not many even notice. Verily so, and this darkness is known as conspiracism. |
GoodGit said: This and the worst thing with that new "treatment" is that the own immune system basically produces its own enemy, the spike protein, so it can constantly be in a state of alert and keep attacking itself, which is something the T-cells doActually, a real vaccine is supposed to immunize. Which requires for a cure to be found before the vaccine can even be developed. Which just goes to show that what you are dealing with here is not a vaccine at all. If you can not even cure, i.e. remove the illness, then there is no way to prevent the illness. That should be obvious from the logical order of things. |
GoodGit said: ColourWheel said: This doesn't mean you are immune. You will never know if been infected unless you are actually tested. Just because you are showing no symptoms doesn't mean you can't keep spreading it to others. Further more you shouldn't use immunity as some blanket excuse. A vaccine is not a cure. A vaccines main purpose is to prevent diseases from spreading. Actually, a real vaccine is supposed to immunize. Which requires for a cure to be found before the vaccine can even be developed. Which just goes to show that what you are dealing with here is not a vaccine at all. I never said it was the only purpose. I was simply stating it's "main" purpose. You can simply google it yourself... "What is the main purpose of a vaccine?" Vaccines prevent diseases that can be dangerous, or even deadly. Vaccines greatly reduce the risk of infection by working with the body's natural defenses to safely develop immunity to disease. This fact sheet explains how the body fights infection and how vaccines work to protect people by producing immunity. "Is a vaccine and a cure the same thing?" What Is a Vaccine? In case you haven't guessed it already, vaccines and cures are, in fact, two very different things. “Unlike most medicines, which are often used to treat a disease or infection, vaccines are developed to prevent them,” |
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deg said: It's not possible to get herd-immunity with these types of viruses. The much better approach is to build a general t-cell memory immunity through infections and re-infections with various kinds of corona common cold viruses so that it will stay as a common cold at most. Especially for those at younger ages that still have an intact immune system that can just mean that we need herd immunity fast or vaccines will be defeated by new variants |
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