| For me I keep the balance of liking the animation and liking the plot, but the main thing I care about anime is what they can offer, the strong points and their peak. This is why I don't believe such phrases like "If you watch one [Harem/isekai] anime, you already watched all of them." |
Xacobe01 said: Thanks for taking your time to reply. First of all, since this is an animated medium, animation should be the first focus of a show, more even than the story, since a good animation tells more about the show by just watching it than through, dialogue, action etc etc. I too welcome an in-depth response, but I'm going to have to argue against it. As far as I understand, you're saying that since the medium of anime communicates itself through animation, it's the most important element of it. However, when put this way, I find it becomes apparent that the elements that are being communicated using that animation is of greater importance. Consider the following: You earlier said; "if you just want to tell a story you can go with either narrative or life action." If the mechanic by which the story is told is of most importance, would that not mean that narratives (I assume you mean books?) should be judged solely on the choice of words and font, and live action judged through which actors are performing the work? If animation "tells you more about the show," how does this work with the majority of anime being adaptations? Surely, since the "identity" of the work, for lack of a better word, originates in another medium, it must be present primarily in the elements that are translated from the source material, rather than those that are added for the anime. Not to put down animation as an art form, but as a component used for creating pieces of entertainment, it's rather just a means to an end. In my opinion, story more than an ingredient it’s a seasoning. We can see this in Miss Kobayashi’s dragon maid. The show is a normal slice of life were literally nothing substantial happens in most of the chapters for the plot, but literally every moment is saturated with good (or even godly sometimes) animation like: cups filling with drinks, a foot entering a water stream, some random hair movements etc etc… All of this moments make the show work by itself, and the story, which arguably isn’t the most important part of that show, is just something we have to follow a line, more like a seasoning than anything. Another example of this are shows made by Trigger Studio, which are marvellous on the animation side of things but tend to fall flat on the story department. Tenshi no Tamago is another film that relays heavily on visual hints and animation more than in story per se. This is an animated medium, not a story driven one. *Note that lots of anime nowadays are made with story focus like other pieces of media, both things are compatible, you just need to see when an anime is going for spectacle and when it’s going to be story focused. For much of what I wanted to say here, I was beaten to the punch by @Gween_Gween. To briefly reiterate and corroborate what they said, animation cannot exist without having a story behind it, be that in the characters, plot, world, or whatever else. Even the simplest few seconds of animation, say, a ball moving across a screen, has the story of "there was a ball that moved across the screen" attached to it - if you have anything change from one state to another, which has to occur for the animation to even be animated, that's a story. The former component quite literally relies on the other. The examples you give are quite odd too, since a lot of TRIGGER's works are very plot- and theme-oriented. Kill La Kill alone, which you mention later, can be taken as both a critique of consumerism and conformism, as well as being an allegory for the contrasting cultures present in post-war Japan, whilst also having the show's events oriented entirely around and facilitating the development of both of its leads. And that's not despite the animation, but entirely in aid of and by it. And this leads very well into your next point... Regarding your third point… I’ve gotten sick of people calling anime “objectively bad/good” when actually, as I said before, anime is a medium that allows for both spectacle, or story, literally like cinema or literature or any kind of artistic medium. But, in anime, this spectacular less story driven shows, are just another way of elevating the medium to it’s highest, and people still trash on shows because “they are carried by animation”. It goes more like this: if you like Monster, Satoshi Kohn’s works, Steins Gate, or insert any story heavy work, there is no problem with that, whoever you can’t look down on people that like Kill la Kill, TTGL, decadence, Promare, or even shonen anime, since they’re elevating the medium just as you do, just in different aspects. ...you give the opinion that the medium can give "spectacle OR story," while, as I just said, many of the best works achieve both. This is the case in many of your examples, TTGL and Deca-Dence most notably, and KLK, as I've already spoken of above. This is also the case with the other set - Steins;Gate for one has excellent direction, in the original series at least. And as I said, this isn't coincidence, nor does the quality of one aspect impede that of another. For this same reason, it's perfectly justified to complain about a show being "carried" by animation. Nobody wants something that's only half good, after all. So, a proper "elevating of the medium" is making things that hit on all cylinders, not just one, since touting it as such is completely in deference to the fact it's flawed in other ways. Or to put it another way, if there's no issue with praising something that is carried by one component, would it not also be equally acceptable to complain about it being awful in another? I'm not too sure how this is supposed to relate to objectivity, as you began with. It doesn't appear to be related to the matter at hand. In a nutshell, I just prefere to have a more open view on animation, anime and everything surrounding it, since that allows me to not miss out on shows that’ll have great aspects going for them! Like this season Takt op. For its animation and choreography, Heike monogatari for its original look and production, Ousama ranking for giving a more “childish” artistic style that allows for animation to shine on a different way… and well, any show I’m watching actually. The conclusion is that it doesn’t matter if a show has a good and compelling story, or is carried by animation, sit down and enjoy and don’t miss out on shows just because MAL users don’t have anything better to do. Well, that's heading more into what your own taste is. You may be happy with stuff that's well animated, others are with stuff with good stories, and others still with stuff that's great on both counts. But if a show is significantly flawed in one respect, people will benefit from that information being spoken aloud, even if it doesn't matter to you. |
| Well I for one already loved Lain. |
| Anime is a medium. For what? For story telling. If you just want to watch good animated fight then there is YouTube. :) Now, as a storytelling medium story is of course play a big if not the most important role in a show. For example, God Of High School have some great animated fights. But the story is awful (not the manhwa). I'm not saying animation is not important. Of course animation is important but you can make people watch 12 episode or 6 hour long show for the animation alone. I guess that is why people are not liking this show. Personally I have not watched this (saving for binge watch) and by the description I have found this pretty interesting. However I can understand why some people may not like this and I'm also annoyed by these hate threads. I mean if you don't like something then don't watch it or just drop it? And come on, only 3 episodes have been released so far and its likely too early to criticize it. |
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| I agree that animation is very important in an anime, no less than writing. It's just that, according to my taste, an action-packed anime with good animation and shallow writing is super boring. On the other hand, I love slice of life anime with good animation even if the writing is average. |
Xacobe01 said: If animation isn’t an integral part of anime, and thus a show shouldn’t be rated only by it’s approach to animation, then why are you watching anime? Animation is a medium where the premise, art, colour, movement, effects, backgrounds and story at last create an experience that’s unique to each show, since the mixture of all of this components is usually unique to each show. If you’re so enlightened in the medium of animation, why are you trashing an anime just because ONE of the components that create an animation (and arguably the least important, since if you just want to tell a story you can go with either narrative or life action) is not to your taste. God I’m getting tired of this self-proclaimed intellectuals that have godly taste according to themselves and the people they circle-jerk with, that pretend to tell you what to like and what not. Animation is just a vessel, if the vessel is empty then you get zero point across... and to get a point across is the goal of storytelling and anime is primarily a story and not a moving picture in gallery that is good on it's own. The story is the most important part of any anime and the animation is just a nice addition. |
| ‘It may be admitted that if it were possible for us to have so deep an insight into a human's way of thinking, as it shows itself both through inner and outer actions, that every, even the least incentive to these actions and all external occasions which affect them, were so known to us, then his future conduct could be predicted as certainly as the appearance of a solar or a lunar eclipse.’ Critique of Practical Reason, p. 230 of the Rosenkranz. |
Xacobe01 said: BromWalar said: Animation is just a vessel, if the vessel is empty then you get zero point across... and to get a point across is the goal of storytelling and anime is primarily a story and not a moving picture in gallery that is good on it's own. The story is the most important part of any anime and the animation is just a nice addition. Since animation is an artform that vessel can be considered an artistic piece if it's unique If it is unique, possibly... yet here you have an animation of high quality (not including those awful CGI piano playing fingers) but not very unique. Still, whether anime is good is decided by the story, characters and worldbuilding and animation as well as music makes these pop out. The anime so far is quite underwhelming with way above average animation with some distinct features (but I would not call it unique) |
| ‘It may be admitted that if it were possible for us to have so deep an insight into a human's way of thinking, as it shows itself both through inner and outer actions, that every, even the least incentive to these actions and all external occasions which affect them, were so known to us, then his future conduct could be predicted as certainly as the appearance of a solar or a lunar eclipse.’ Critique of Practical Reason, p. 230 of the Rosenkranz. |
| Just because the animation is really good doesn't make the show itself good. You can praise Jujutsu kaisen's animation all day long and I'll agree with you, but try and find a single fight scene I don't yawn at due to not caring about both the story and characters. You won't be able to. |
Xacobe01 said: Basically I would sum up everything in “one man’s trash is another man’s gold”: you may not like something, but if it has some objective quality on some of its departments (either be it story or animation), just don’t bash it and call it trash. Takt op. Is far from being my favourite show this fall (that goes either to mushoku tensei or Heike monogatari), but I’m tired of seeing people call it trash when it’s such a high quality spectacle of animation. I think it is known that people are giving their opinion and not a factual evidence about the status of something, I wouldnt take it so seriously unless they are actively bashing the people behind it or not acknowledging it at all as a piece (But that would make you an asshole anyways, right?). I guess it comes more or less as judging it by aspects or in a more holistic manner, or in other words, the understanding about what makes something good or not. An equivalent would be saying that the Marvel movies are something of worth in the context of cinema, nobody would deny that Marvel movies have a extremely strong technical aspect, but Scorsese said that they are not cinema, why? Because as a whole it doesn't work as anything but a marketing scheme, an audience tested expression. I won't tell you how to consume anime, but some people, like me, judge it like that, an anime that doesn't inspire any intent of trying to tell something seems extremely pointless. I agree that people who treat anything with a simple story or not extremely complex characters as bad are reductionist though, Kimetsu no Yaiba is great because it works as a package, Takt Opt is debatable |
BromWalar said: Animation is just a vessel, if the vessel is empty then you get zero point across... and to get a point across is the goal of storytelling and anime is primarily a story and not a moving picture in gallery that is good on it's own. The story is the most important part of any anime and the animation is just a nice addition. Animation alone is able to convey story telling, the quality of it of course depends on the way such story is displayed and the resources the animation has (like say, if you add audio, dialogue and such, you can convey your story easier and deeper). Lets remember art (pictures) on itself served as a medium for story telling for a big period of time, before animation on itself even existed; the way color is used, the meaning of the distinct imagery created by shapes, can evoque feelings and tell things whether its subtle or not, sometimes also through simbolism (really important part of modern art). Same thing can happen with animation, in its core its imagery, so if that alone has not a meaning (which it always can), then the movement will. Lets take a really rudimentary example: We pain a dot, its just a dot so you cant say anything s happening (no story exists), however you then animate that dot to move from one place to other (now its a story about a dot that moves from a place to other), and then we add colors, we add blue that could be water, yellow that could be sand, suddenly our dot is going to a beach? sounds like something is happening, storytelling is happening. I know its kind of a far-fetched example, but just wanted to make clear that animation isn't an empty husk, and it CAN convey storys on its own, its about how its handled and the expectations/open mindedness of its watcher. Nowadays people tend to understand for storytelling only literal scripting, dialogues and such stuff, when its really far from being the only way to convey it. Series like evangelion don't even use those elements as much and they have one of the most meaningful stories on anime, why? because they use the animation and imagery as the way of storytelling. |
error5000Oct 26, 2021 11:38 AM
| There is a lot more to it than only animation. People that like story don't only read books. People that like animation don't only look at stuff. (Could turn of the sound lol.) The whole thing ... the composition - is a piece of art. And this anime is not doing well here. (Boring characters. Slow/boring pacing. The classical music doesn't fit in the fighting scenes.) |
Tyraq said: I do agree that "it only has good animation", shouldn't be an insult as animation is an important factor when making an anime and most animes that are rated 1/10 are rated that because they have bad animation. While I do say that, I have found this anime to be mediocre so far but I hope it gets better. Depends on what someone wants from ficton. Someone can have have action at first place of priority and be satisfied and others don't care if it has good animation or non. Especially if it's book or manga enthusiast. |
Spinelazuli said: " Ppl only watch this show bc cool stuff happens in it " Explain the first few episodes of Mob Psycho then. " Yeah but Mob Psycho has character development later so it's fine " AND TAKT ONLY HAS 3 EPS OUT SO DON'T JUDGE IT SO QUICKLY Main thing is most people don't want to force themselves to watch something they don't enjoy. |
error5000 said: BromWalar said: Animation is just a vessel, if the vessel is empty then you get zero point across... and to get a point across is the goal of storytelling and anime is primarily a story and not a moving picture in gallery that is good on it's own. The story is the most important part of any anime and the animation is just a nice addition. Animation alone is able to convey story telling, the quality of it of course depends on the way such story is displayed and the resources the animation has (like say, if you add audio, dialogue and such, you can convey your story easier and deeper). Lets remember art (pictures) on itself served as a medium for story telling for a big period of time, before animation on itself even existed; the way color is used, the meaning of the distinct imagery created by shapes, can evoque feelings and tell things whether its subtle or not, sometimes also through simbolism (really important part of modern art). Same thing can happen with animation, in its core its imagery, so if that alone has not a meaning (which it always can), then the movement will. Lets take a really rudimentary example: We pain a dot, its just a dot so you cant say anything s happening (no story exists), however you then animate that dot to move from one place to other (now its a story about a dot that moves from a place to other), and then we add colors, we add blue that could be water, yellow that could be sand, suddenly our dot is going to a beach? sounds like something is happening, storytelling is happening. I know its kind of a far-fetched example, but just wanted to make clear that animation isn't an empty husk, and it CAN convey storys on its own, its about how its handled and the expectations/open mindedness of its watcher. Nowadays people tend to understand for storytelling only literal scripting, dialogues and such stuff, when its really far from being the only way to convey it. Series like evangelion don't even use those elements as much and they have one of the most meaningful stories on anime, why? because they use the animation and imagery as the way of storytelling. I do not entirely disagree with you, but we might not be understanding each other (And I feel you tried to be polite so I will do the same, so no malice from my side) so I will elaborate. 1) I think you are mixing animation and artstyle when talking about colours, because the animation does not need colour, the colour adds just some depth to it. (this is just a detail). And by "animation" I do not mean imagery but rather just the motion of things, angles, speed and such. 2) My point is that you need to create a story and then animate it. You can not put a random animation without the story that follows it, because it would be just as I said, just a moving picture but it would be too abstract and hard to grasp for it to follow a coherent narrative. Animation can convey elements of the story but not the story on it's own; animation does not tell you what happens but it can represent the story or add a flavor to it; it's power is in it's immediacy because imagery and movement are more quickly understood by us and can make convey the same as dialogue that took 1 minute in an instant by emphasizing some part of a characters gestures or something like that. IN SHORT THE STORY IS THE MEANING AND ANIMATION IS THE MEDIUM; you do not start animating random dots without the story. 3) When I talk about animation I mean how fluid it is, how complex and clean it is, how well it matches the tone of the story... It is a lot like music (though not entirely); you can have a great death metal song but if you put it as an opening to a shit anime, the anime does not become better (or not match and just in one department). I can definitely appreciate it alone but then I would rather watch some super cut of the best animated moments of the show and not watch the show. 4) Good animation makes a good story pop out, can efficiently represent parts of a story efficiently, can add flavor to it... but cut off the story (and the central idea) and you are looking at a blank slate because the animation will have nothing to convey as there is no story and therefore nothing to get into motion. |
| ‘It may be admitted that if it were possible for us to have so deep an insight into a human's way of thinking, as it shows itself both through inner and outer actions, that every, even the least incentive to these actions and all external occasions which affect them, were so known to us, then his future conduct could be predicted as certainly as the appearance of a solar or a lunar eclipse.’ Critique of Practical Reason, p. 230 of the Rosenkranz. |
BromWalar said: error5000 said: Animation alone is able to convey story telling, the quality of it of course depends on the way such story is displayed and the resources the animation has (like say, if you add audio, dialogue and such, you can convey your story easier and deeper). Lets remember art (pictures) on itself served as a medium for story telling for a big period of time, before animation on itself even existed; the way color is used, the meaning of the distinct imagery created by shapes, can evoque feelings and tell things whether its subtle or not, sometimes also through simbolism (really important part of modern art). Same thing can happen with animation, in its core its imagery, so if that alone has not a meaning (which it always can), then the movement will. Lets take a really rudimentary example: We pain a dot, its just a dot so you cant say anything s happening (no story exists), however you then animate that dot to move from one place to other (now its a story about a dot that moves from a place to other), and then we add colors, we add blue that could be water, yellow that could be sand, suddenly our dot is going to a beach? sounds like something is happening, storytelling is happening. I know its kind of a far-fetched example, but just wanted to make clear that animation isn't an empty husk, and it CAN convey storys on its own, its about how its handled and the expectations/open mindedness of its watcher. Nowadays people tend to understand for storytelling only literal scripting, dialogues and such stuff, when its really far from being the only way to convey it. Series like evangelion don't even use those elements as much and they have one of the most meaningful stories on anime, why? because they use the animation and imagery as the way of storytelling. I do not entirely disagree with you, but we might not be understanding each other (And I feel you tried to be polite so I will do the same, so no malice from my side) so I will elaborate. 1) I think you are mixing animation and artstyle when talking about colours, because the animation does not need colour, the colour adds just some depth to it. (this is just a detail). And by "animation" I do not mean imagery but rather just the motion of things, angles, speed and such. 2) My point is that you need to create a story and then animate it. You can not put a random animation without the story that follows it, because it would be just as I said, just a moving picture but it would be too abstract and hard to grasp for it to follow a coherent narrative. Animation can convey elements of the story but not the story on it's own; animation does not tell you what happens but it can represent the story or add a flavor to it; it's power is in it's immediacy because imagery and movement are more quickly understood by us and can make convey the same as dialogue that took 1 minute in an instant by emphasizing some part of a characters gestures or something like that. IN SHORT THE STORY IS THE MEANING AND ANIMATION IS THE MEDIUM; you do not start animating random dots without the story. 3) When I talk about animation I mean how fluid it is, how complex and clean it is, how well it matches the tone of the story... It is a lot like music (though not entirely); you can have a great death metal song but if you put it as an opening to a shit anime, the anime does not become better (or not match and just in one department). I can definitely appreciate it alone but then I would rather watch some super cut of the best animated moments of the show and not watch the show. 4) Good animation makes a good story pop out, can efficiently represent parts of a story efficiently, can add flavor to it... but cut off the story (and the central idea) and you are looking at a blank slate because the animation will have nothing to convey as there is no story and therefore nothing to get into motion. I understand your point of view although heres some important thing to not overlook: If well animation is only the motion, and so its speed, for there to exist these elements there must exist an imagery for it to be applied to, so i think animation and imagery come along together when it comes to this kind of audiovisual mediums, they are basically inseparable, and so why i did my example, color is a way of imagery, and if well its not movement, it creates context for the movement to have a meaning, so the watcher can create an story out of it. The rest i think you have fair points, although it doesnt necesarily contradict what i was saying, it might complement it as well, but iin any case thanks for replying. |
Xacobe01 said: If animation isn’t an integral part of anime, and thus a show shouldn’t be rated only by it’s approach to animation, then why are you watching anime? Animation is a medium where the premise, art, colour, movement, effects, backgrounds and story at last create an experience that’s unique to each show, since the mixture of all of this components is usually unique to each show. If you’re so enlightened in the medium of animation, why are you trashing an anime just because ONE of the components that create an animation (and arguably the least important, since if you just want to tell a story you can go with either narrative or life action) is not to your taste. God I’m getting tired of this self-proclaimed intellectuals that have godly taste according to themselves and the people they circle-jerk with, that pretend to tell you what to like and what not. Alright i will just clear it out before as i don't hate anyone's taste nor i consider myself an elitist so there is that and now to answer your question, first i will just take this anime as you said animation is the medium and it's integral part of the anime and that's also true but what if one component lacks it fails but it shouldn't bother us too much with it because different people tend to perceive things differently now for me i like good animation as much as good story and if either lacks i tend to not care or easily forget it but most of the times a good story sticks with me more than the good animation, like i watched kaiba and handsdown it's animation is something drawn by kids but it's story was unique so i remember it, like stories make impact on you but if it's all about animation then what's the point, there are plethora of amazingly animated shows but not all have good stories and saying that anime integral part is animation is same as saying CGI is integral part of a Live Action which is true but if the story lacks then what's the point of having a good animation, Marvel movies or any of the big franchise have billion dollars in the investment but many tend to go mediocre just because it lacked in story, Good animation or cgi carries the weight but stories are the one which makes the show shine. Like there is a reason why remakes flop as they fail to basically carry the essence and why shows/anime/movies with good stories stick with us most of the time but everyone is different so there is that and i am no one to judge. Also i don't agree with anyone hating any show as it's pointless to do that and i will still watch this show till the end and hold my judgement but after three episodes its slow and i hope it get more flushed out in coming episodes. |
Tats_Spill_TeaOct 26, 2021 2:58 PM
| 2025 might be the year where I will be happy. This year is not happy year. |
error5000 said: BromWalar said: I do not entirely disagree with you, but we might not be understanding each other (And I feel you tried to be polite so I will do the same, so no malice from my side) so I will elaborate. 1) I think you are mixing animation and artstyle when talking about colours, because the animation does not need colour, the colour adds just some depth to it. (this is just a detail). And by "animation" I do not mean imagery but rather just the motion of things, angles, speed and such. 2) My point is that you need to create a story and then animate it. You can not put a random animation without the story that follows it, because it would be just as I said, just a moving picture but it would be too abstract and hard to grasp for it to follow a coherent narrative. Animation can convey elements of the story but not the story on it's own; animation does not tell you what happens but it can represent the story or add a flavor to it; it's power is in it's immediacy because imagery and movement are more quickly understood by us and can make convey the same as dialogue that took 1 minute in an instant by emphasizing some part of a characters gestures or something like that. IN SHORT THE STORY IS THE MEANING AND ANIMATION IS THE MEDIUM; you do not start animating random dots without the story. 3) When I talk about animation I mean how fluid it is, how complex and clean it is, how well it matches the tone of the story... It is a lot like music (though not entirely); you can have a great death metal song but if you put it as an opening to a shit anime, the anime does not become better (or not match and just in one department). I can definitely appreciate it alone but then I would rather watch some super cut of the best animated moments of the show and not watch the show. 4) Good animation makes a good story pop out, can efficiently represent parts of a story efficiently, can add flavor to it... but cut off the story (and the central idea) and you are looking at a blank slate because the animation will have nothing to convey as there is no story and therefore nothing to get into motion. I understand your point of view although heres some important thing to not overlook: If well animation is only the motion, and so its speed, for there to exist these elements there must exist an imagery for it to be applied to, so i think animation and imagery come along together when it comes to this kind of audiovisual mediums, they are basically inseparable, and so why i did my example, color is a way of imagery, and if well its not movement, it creates context for the movement to have a meaning, so the watcher can create an story out of it. The rest i think you have fair points, although it doesnt necesarily contradict what i was saying, it might complement it as well, but iin any case thanks for replying. Yea, we do not contradict that much. And thanks for the reply too, it is refreshing to find a reply that constructively discusses my points or acknowledges them. I agree that it requires imagery and that those elements you can separate only theoretically, not practically. "viewer can create a story out of it" that is a valid point, just when it comes to anime we are rather given a story than an open agglomeration of abstract forms of art subject for very personal interpretation; if someone makes, or already made, something like that, I would judge it on the merits of animation rather than story; it would just need to be shorter because without the story it would be hard to keep attention of your viewer... well, you persuaded me that it is at least possible, I just do not think it can carry an entire season of anime if there is not a good story. |
BromWalarOct 26, 2021 3:07 PM
| ‘It may be admitted that if it were possible for us to have so deep an insight into a human's way of thinking, as it shows itself both through inner and outer actions, that every, even the least incentive to these actions and all external occasions which affect them, were so known to us, then his future conduct could be predicted as certainly as the appearance of a solar or a lunar eclipse.’ Critique of Practical Reason, p. 230 of the Rosenkranz. |
| Crazy how the latest episode is a huge mess in production, setting aside the atrocious production, the story isn't really invest worthy to be fair. This episode literally felt like a tutorial for a game and it's crazy that we're doing this 4 episodes in already. I know the narrative should be fresh from here, but I wasn't even hooked by the first 4 episodes so far so I'll end up dropping it unless I hear great stuff down the line. |
| You do realize you contradicted yourself in the first two sentences twice, right? |
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| Again I am telling these pseudo-intellectuals would become more silent when the ratings and hype falls. |
| "All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo |
| Hahahaha looks like almost everyone is liking this new anime! Guess I have to shit on it now! XD |
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SSL443 said: But if people had any sense how else would we get useless popcorn threads.If you enjoy the show, then why do you care what anyone else has to say about it? Plenty of people write critical things about shows I enjoy, but I ignore them because I don't give a shit. If you're so fragile that you can't handle someone questioning your personal preferences, then you shouldn't be online to begin with. |
theGodde said: Do you understand the meaning of my post?? criticism using polite language and interspersed with input for anime in the future. that's called criticism, I personally don't fucking care about elitists' criticism but I'm sick of seeing it some threads I mentioned like "Waifu bait" or "Generic anime" are not criticism they are the same people who made those threads over and over and I reported them for breaking the rules, some of those threads have been taken down by Mods , they're just spamming continuously not criticism they're just spreading hate. It's up to you to criticize I don't forbid people from criticizing what I have a problem with here is when y'all keep spamming, I hope the rights of people like that can be suspended by Mods. The problem here is not the criticism itself.Snow_dropindo99 said: someone sharing their opinion isn't forcing it onto someone elseI don't really care about the elitists judgment, but I'm sick of seeing them make threads like "Generic anime, Waifu bait, What happened with score" they should just shut up just because they don't like it doesn't mean everyone should dislike it. When I create a thread claiming this show is a disappointment, it does not become instantly true because I said it. If you find my arguments ridiculous, then it means that you have gained nothing, but also lost nothing (aside from time). What if I were to take your logic and apply it in the reverse "just because they like it doesn't mean everyone has to like it" there is nothing wrong with criticism, especially if it's well formulated and compelling criticism. There is nothing wrong with illuminating the flaws in a work. If you can't handle acknowledging something you like has flaws that is not the fault of the critics, but yourself. |
Snow_dropindo99Oct 28, 2021 7:45 AM
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| I totally agree with everything you said above but if u are trying to say that takt op is a good anime because it has decent animation.. I have to strongly disagree |
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