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Jun 18, 2021 11:25 PM
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I have seen manga with unnecessary character development before (ex: AppleSeed) but not in anime, have you guys seen one before ?
I am defining the word "unnecessary" as "the work would be better without it". Either because it ruined the paces, the morals or even the character itself.
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Jun 18, 2021 11:47 PM
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Horimiya wasted too much time developing side characters after a few episodes which made the show boring for me.
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One Piece. Some "side characters" in these recent arcs have been developed way too much, but no one really cares about them. Based on MAL favorite, Worldwide poll results and forum discussions, only a few people seem to really like them... I, for certain, couldn't care less about them.
They aren't even good compared to the other side characters of one piece.
Jun 19, 2021 1:12 AM
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pretty MUch Every battle Shonen
But that Doesn't Make The Show Boring IT's For The Extra Emotional Boost
Jun 19, 2021 1:13 AM
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Lepru said:
One Piece. Some "side characters" in these recent arcs have been developed way too much, but no one really cares about them. Based on MAL favorite, Worldwide poll results and forum discussions, only a few people seem to really like them... I, for certain, couldn't care less about them.
They aren't even good compared to the other side characters of one piece.

lol I'm going to assume you weren't a fan of Senor Pink getting his own flashback?

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pretty MUch Every battle Shonen
But that Doesn't Make The Show Boring IT's For The Extra Emotional Boost

A lot of characters in shonen are under developed imo
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Jun 19, 2021 1:14 AM
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Konahamaru from Naruto and Boruto.
His development is pretty stupid, how much he tries, he ends up getting recked in Boruto series.
Same goes for other Popular shonen series, they stop caring about side characters development.
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Jun 19, 2021 1:24 AM
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Monster it takes lot of times for useless things and after that it takes time for character development, but development is still not good, but bravo you wasted 60 episodes in it
Jun 19, 2021 1:27 AM
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EndlessMaria said:
Lepru said:
One Piece. Some "side characters" in these recent arcs have been developed way too much, but no one really cares about them. Based on MAL favorite, Worldwide poll results and forum discussions, only a few people seem to really like them... I, for certain, couldn't care less about them.
They aren't even good compared to the other side characters of one piece.

lol I'm going to assume you weren't a fan of Senor Pink getting his own flashback?

SKloOF said:
pretty MUch Every battle Shonen
But that Doesn't Make The Show Boring IT's For The Extra Emotional Boost

A lot of characters in shonen are under developed imo


I wasn't a big fan of it, but I didn't mind it.
I was mainly referring to the scabbards and the other samurais. They've had so much screen time, but I still have to see them doing something really relevant or have any real impact in the story. Their only purpose was getting Luffy involved with Wano(Kaido), but this could have been done in many other ways.
The fact that the most appreciated scabbard seems to be Kiku is quite meaningful...
Raizo has way more screen time than someone like Mihawk, this should tell us something.
Jun 19, 2021 1:29 AM
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In detective conan,Conan and Haibara have more development and chemistry than the main "Shinichi and Ran" themselves.

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Jun 19, 2021 1:53 AM

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I would say the villain in bleach anime that used hogyoku power to infinitely increase his power. This sort of infinite power can easily kills enjoyment because it would had to be overcome with a destiny or luck type of plot. Do not make an epic fight turned into a grudge rematch in the next arc but hey if they have the budget to waste then be my anime studio I guess.

Goku went on to fight gods, shaking my head. There's no need to involve gods because namekian would look like goblins in the end. So I guess this is a bit of a subtle change and therefore can be ignored?

Also, a flashback for a side character in a filler episode if it has been shown to viewers already. I understand that a side character might become popular and get a spin off if it ever happens.

Also agreed with post #9, conan and haibara became an absolute duo (a pun because I stopped watching absolute duo for a reason that I've already forgotten).
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Scordolo said:
In detective conan,Conan and Haibara have more development and chemistry than the main "Shinichi and Ran" themselves.


lol I'm not even surprised that most fans want conan and haibara to end up together


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Lepru said:
One Piece. Some "side characters" in these recent arcs have been developed way too much, but no one really cares about them. Based on MAL favorite, Worldwide poll results and forum discussions, only a few people seem to really like them... I, for certain, couldn't care less about them.
They aren't even good compared to the other side characters of one piece.

totally agree, I don't mind a few scenes, even one episode but why the hell would I wanna watch 10 episodes explaining the life of someone I don't care, he can be relevant to the story but I don't care and I think it all started back in Sky Island
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lemonglasses__ said:
Scordolo said:
In detective conan,Conan and Haibara have more development and chemistry than the main "Shinichi and Ran" themselves.


lol I'm not even surprised that most fans want conan and haibara to end up together

If you ask me Conan and Haibara are more cuter than Shinichi and Ran.It is painful to realize that 100% Ran and Shinichi are gonna end up together.They've got to stop teasing us at this point.

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I havent caught up completely with one piece yet, but are you talking about filler episodes or canon?
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Catalano said:
Lepru said:
One Piece. Some "side characters" in these recent arcs have been developed way too much, but no one really cares about them. Based on MAL favorite, Worldwide poll results and forum discussions, only a few people seem to really like them... I, for certain, couldn't care less about them.
They aren't even good compared to the other side characters of one piece.

totally agree, I don't mind a few scenes, even one episode but why the hell would I wanna watch 10 episodes explaining the life of someone I don't care, he can be relevant to the story but I don't care and I think it all started back in Sky Island

It started in like episode 4 when we got the tragic flashback of that random dog lmao
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Catalano said:
Lepru said:
One Piece. Some "side characters" in these recent arcs have been developed way too much, but no one really cares about them. Based on MAL favorite, Worldwide poll results and forum discussions, only a few people seem to really like them... I, for certain, couldn't care less about them.
They aren't even good compared to the other side characters of one piece.

totally agree, I don't mind a few scenes, even one episode but why the hell would I wanna watch 10 episodes explaining the life of someone I don't care, he can be relevant to the story but I don't care and I think it all started back in Sky Island


Exactly, Skypiea started it. All that time with Noland, for what? Was he even that impactful? He had some relevance in the skypiea arc, but that arc hasn't been THAT relevant to begin with...
Did people even like him that much?
I can't even remember the last time I saw someone mentioning him... and when people talked about him, it was usually on discussions like "skypiea is one of the worst arcs".
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PiyushSan said:
Horimiya wasted too much time developing side characters after a few episodes which made the show boring for me.

+1 for Horimiya. Got boring after the first 8 episodes.
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Lepru said:
Catalano said:

totally agree, I don't mind a few scenes, even one episode but why the hell would I wanna watch 10 episodes explaining the life of someone I don't care, he can be relevant to the story but I don't care and I think it all started back in Sky Island


Exactly, Skypiea started it. All that time with Noland, for what? Was he even that impactful? He had some relevance in the skypiea arc, but that arc hasn't been THAT relevant to begin with...
Did people even like him that much?
I can't even remember the last time I saw someone mentioning him... and when people talked about him, it was usually on discussions like "skypiea is one of the worst arcs".

I actually consider Noland's flashback the biggest highlight from Skypiea. It's kind of like the Fishman Island flashback. A consistent piece of well-told and engaging narrative in the middle of a not so good large arc.
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Lepru said:
One Piece. Some "side characters" in these recent arcs have been developed way too much, but no one really cares about them. Based on MAL favorite, Worldwide poll results and forum discussions, only a few people seem to really like them... I, for certain, couldn't care less about them.
They aren't even good compared to the other side characters of one piece.


Ummmmm what! the side characters of one piece is also one of the reasons why one piece is highly rated

no one cares about them what! The reason why the author did this kind of things so we can get invested in them and a lot of scenes is gonna be more impactful you just didn't appreciate the builup of one piece do you want one piece to become just starts a fight and defeat enemy and that's it and you're bases about this favorites in mal is really irrelevant i mean the side characters of one piece are good characters some are amazing like mr.2 but the reason why it doesn't have much favorites is because the main character are obviously favored by the people but that doesn't mean they don't give a fuck about the side characters....(i dont care if this will change your mind but I just want to say why you're wrong no hate lol)
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Lepru said:
One Piece. Some "side characters" in these recent arcs have been developed way too much, but no one really cares about them. Based on MAL favorite, Worldwide poll results and forum discussions, only a few people seem to really like them... I, for certain, couldn't care less about them.
They aren't even good compared to the other side characters of one piece.


Ummmmm what! the side characters of one piece is also one of the reasons why one piece is highly rated

no one cares about them what! The reason why the author did this kind of things so we can get invested in them and a lot of scenes is gonna be more impactful you just didn't appreciate the builup of one piece do you want one piece to become just starts a fight and defeat enemy and that's it and you're bases about this favorites in mal is really irrelevant i mean the side characters of one piece are good characters some are amazing like mr.2 but the reason why it doesn't have much favorites is because the main character are obviously favored by the people but that doesn't mean they don't give a fuck about the side characters....(i dont care if this will change your mind but I just want to say why you're wrong no hate lol)


I didn't say that side characters in one piece are bad. My top 10 favorite characters in One piece are all side characters. I didn't even say that I wanted One Piece to be just fights... I don't even know where you got that from.

I said that SOME side characters are bad. And yes, MAL favorite and worldwide poll are indeed a good measure of how much a character is liked. Why do Hancock, Mihawk, Rosinante, Doflamingo, Shanks, Marco, Perona and many other side characters have many favorite and votes while Noland, Kinemom or Raizo don't? The scabbards have had more screen time than Mihawk, yet people seem to like him WAY more. Actually, even some characters that have yet to be shown in the anime are way more loved than them.
The vast majority of the discussions regarding the scabbards are about their possible deaths... I haven't seen many people discussing about their "interesting personalities" or "great character design"...The fanart dedicated to them is extremely limited compared to many other side character with way less screen time.

So no, what you wrote didn't prove that I'm wrong.
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That was the very episode that made me drop the show.
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Nalusa_Falaya said:

That was the very episode that made me drop the show.

Can't blame ya

It was definitely the edgiest ending I've seen in an anime
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Lepru said:
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Ummmmm what! the side characters of one piece is also one of the reasons why one piece is highly rated

no one cares about them what! The reason why the author did this kind of things so we can get invested in them and a lot of scenes is gonna be more impactful you just didn't appreciate the builup of one piece do you want one piece to become just starts a fight and defeat enemy and that's it and you're bases about this favorites in mal is really irrelevant i mean the side characters of one piece are good characters some are amazing like mr.2 but the reason why it doesn't have much favorites is because the main character are obviously favored by the people but that doesn't mean they don't give a fuck about the side characters....(i dont care if this will change your mind but I just want to say why you're wrong no hate lol)


I didn't say that side characters in one piece are bad. My top 10 favorite characters in One piece are all side characters. I didn't even say that I wanted One Piece to be just fights... I don't even know where you got that from.

I said that SOME side characters are bad. And yes, MAL favorite and worldwide poll are indeed a good measure of how much a character is liked. Why do Hancock, Mihawk, Rosinante, Doflamingo, Shanks, Marco, Perona and many other side characters have many favorite and votes while Noland, Kinemom or Raizo don't? The scabbards have had more screen time than Mihawk, yet people seem to like him WAY more. Actually, even some characters that have yet to be shown in the anime are way more loved than them.
The vast majority of the discussions regarding the scabbards are about their possible deaths... I haven't seen many people discussing about their "interesting personalities" or "great character design"...The fanart dedicated to them is extremely limited compared to many other side character with way less screen time.

So no, what you wrote didn't prove that I'm wrong.


Well yes the side characters you mentioned are better than most of the side characters in one piece but what im saying is there are still many people care about them even though they didn't put it in their favorite list just like me so what im saying they weren't any characters in one piece that was irrelevant if there is maybe i forgot about it well if you could name one of the irrelevant characters.....
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Ending? I thought you were describing episode 7.
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I didn't say that side characters in one piece are bad. My top 10 favorite characters in One piece are all side characters. I didn't even say that I wanted One Piece to be just fights... I don't even know where you got that from.

I said that SOME side characters are bad. And yes, MAL favorite and worldwide poll are indeed a good measure of how much a character is liked. Why do Hancock, Mihawk, Rosinante, Doflamingo, Shanks, Marco, Perona and many other side characters have many favorite and votes while Noland, Kinemom or Raizo don't? The scabbards have had more screen time than Mihawk, yet people seem to like him WAY more. Actually, even some characters that have yet to be shown in the anime are way more loved than them.
The vast majority of the discussions regarding the scabbards are about their possible deaths... I haven't seen many people discussing about their "interesting personalities" or "great character design"...The fanart dedicated to them is extremely limited compared to many other side character with way less screen time.

So no, what you wrote didn't prove that I'm wrong.


Well yes the side characters you mentioned are better than most of the side characters in one piece but what im saying is there are still many people care about them even though they didn't put it in their favorite list just like me so what im saying they weren't any characters in one piece that was irrelevant if there is maybe i forgot about it well if you could name one of the irrelevant characters.....


Well, yes. I'm not saying that everyone has to dislike them or that if you don't put them in you favorite list it means you hate them...

I already gave you some examples... the scabbards. I'm not the only one who thinks this. A lot of people don't really care about them despite their great amount of screen time and development. I've seen plenty of people complaining about the lack of attachment to these characters. Based on my experience, fans are either indifferent or don't like them. Obviously there are some exceptions.
I've wrote more about them in the comments above.
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Ending? I thought you were describing episode 7.

Oh nah, In the last 2-3 episodes he basically makes the ultimate sacrifice and takes the ability of basically everyone in the world, Goes crazy, forgets why he was even doing it and gets the name "One Eyed Grim Reaper"

It's as shit as it sounds, Stopping at episode 7 was probably the right call
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Lepru said:
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Well yes the side characters you mentioned are better than most of the side characters in one piece but what im saying is there are still many people care about them even though they didn't put it in their favorite list just like me so what im saying they weren't any characters in one piece that was irrelevant if there is maybe i forgot about it well if you could name one of the irrelevant characters.....


Well, yes. I'm not saying that everyone has to dislike them or that if you don't put them in you favorite list it means you hate them...

I already gave you some examples... the scabbards. I'm not the only one who thinks this. A lot of people don't really care about them despite their great amount of screen time and development. I've seen plenty of people complaining about the lack of attachment to these characters. Based on my experience, fans are either indifferent or don't like them. Obviously there are some exceptions.
I've wrote more about them in the comments above.


I've never really heard about that well it's not like I've read forums from the anime I've only been hearing how all the manga readers getting emotional in latest chapter of the manga(it's about the scabbards so maybe it's just the complains of only anime watcher well if it is im sure they're gonna change their mind if the anime catch up to what's happening in the manga)
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Well I dont know if this counts as "character development" but I think backstories of the demons are very annoying at demon slayer like man I dont care about how your wife left you while you were a human. (Dont read the manga of demon slayer btw just watch the anime if you havent)
Jun 20, 2021 7:53 AM
Imagine wasting time on side characters I never cared. I'm looking at you, Horimiya and One Piece.
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Ummmmm what! the side characters of one piece is also one of the reasons why one piece is highly rated

no one cares about them what! The reason why the author did this kind of things so we can get invested in them and a lot of scenes is gonna be more impactful you just didn't appreciate the builup of one piece do you want one piece to become just starts a fight and defeat enemy and that's it and you're bases about this favorites in mal is really irrelevant i mean the side characters of one piece are good characters some are amazing like mr.2 but the reason why it doesn't have much favorites is because the main character are obviously favored by the people but that doesn't mean they don't give a fuck about the side characters....(i dont care if this will change your mind but I just want to say why you're wrong no hate lol)


I didn't say that side characters in one piece are bad. My top 10 favorite characters in One piece are all side characters. I didn't even say that I wanted One Piece to be just fights... I don't even know where you got that from.

I said that SOME side characters are bad. And yes, MAL favorite and worldwide poll are indeed a good measure of how much a character is liked. Why do Hancock, Mihawk, Rosinante, Doflamingo, Shanks, Marco, Perona and many other side characters have many favorite and votes while Noland, Kinemom or Raizo don't? The scabbards have had more screen time than Mihawk, yet people seem to like him WAY more. Actually, even some characters that have yet to be shown in the anime are way more loved than them.
The vast majority of the discussions regarding the scabbards are about their possible deaths... I haven't seen many people discussing about their "interesting personalities" or "great character design"...The fanart dedicated to them is extremely limited compared to many other side character with way less screen time.

So no, what you wrote didn't prove that I'm wrong.


Because characters such as Shanks, Doffy, Hancock and Mihawk stood out as individuals whose actions left a big impact. Whereas the Scabbards are rather liked as a group who served Oden, a guy with overshadowing charisma. I also think you overrate the significance of active screen time. What's decisive here is how long we know these characters.

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Horimiya wasted too much time developing side characters after a few episodes which made the show boring for me.

Same here. The anime was way enjoyable when it's only about Hori and Miyamura.
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My hero academia. Till the 3rd season anime was doing very well but it started to become very boring in season 4. Most of the new characters in season 4 wasn't really very good I believe they got lots of unnecessary character development. The old cast of MHA is way better.
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FMmatron said:
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I didn't say that side characters in one piece are bad. My top 10 favorite characters in One piece are all side characters. I didn't even say that I wanted One Piece to be just fights... I don't even know where you got that from.

I said that SOME side characters are bad. And yes, MAL favorite and worldwide poll are indeed a good measure of how much a character is liked. Why do Hancock, Mihawk, Rosinante, Doflamingo, Shanks, Marco, Perona and many other side characters have many favorite and votes while Noland, Kinemom or Raizo don't? The scabbards have had more screen time than Mihawk, yet people seem to like him WAY more. Actually, even some characters that have yet to be shown in the anime are way more loved than them.
The vast majority of the discussions regarding the scabbards are about their possible deaths... I haven't seen many people discussing about their "interesting personalities" or "great character design"...The fanart dedicated to them is extremely limited compared to many other side character with way less screen time.

So no, what you wrote didn't prove that I'm wrong.


Because characters such as Shanks, Doffy, Hancock and Mihawk stood out as individuals whose actions left a big impact. Whereas the Scabbards are rather liked as a group who served Oden, a guy with overshadowing charisma. I also think you overrate the significance of active screen time. What's decisive here is how long we know these characters.


As you said, Shanks, Mihawk and the others stood out because they HAD AN IMPACT. The scabbards don't have that despite having much screen time. I'm not overrating the significance of screen time in a post about unnecessary development. The scabbard were developed a lot, yet they didn't do anything at all. Their development isn't just related to Oden, we had many scenes with them even before the Wano arc. This makes me think: was all that development really necessary? Were all those scenes focused on them for nothing? Did we really need all those scenes? Is their contribute to the story proportional to the screen time they got?
The fact that, as you said, Oden overshadowed them despite their huge amount of screen time shouldn't tell us that maybe all those scenes with them weren't that necessary?

I'm sorry, but we can't act like screen time isn't that important when discussing ONE PIECE, the series well known for off screening many things.

I'm someone who used to consider Robin his favorite character of all anime, but as of now I don't even consider her a character anymore. She lacks any kind of characterisation, I'm not referring to fights, it's not with fights that you develop a character. She just appears at random times saying some lame stuff... this doesn't apply only to Robin, but to some of the other main characters. Wouldn't it be better to focus more on them instead of focusing so much on the scabbards whose real relevance in the story is quite questionable?

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Lepru said:
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Because characters such as Shanks, Doffy, Hancock and Mihawk stood out as individuals whose actions left a big impact. Whereas the Scabbards are rather liked as a group who served Oden, a guy with overshadowing charisma. I also think you overrate the significance of active screen time. What's decisive here is how long we know these characters.


As you said, Shanks, Mihawk and the others stood out because they HAD AN IMPACT. The scabbards don't have that despite having much screen time. I'm not overrating the significance of screen time in a post about unnecessary development. The scabbard were developed a lot, yet they didn't do anything at all. Their development isn't just related to Oden, we had many scenes with them even before the Wano arc. This makes me think: was all that development really necessary? Were all those scenes focused on them for nothing? Did we really need all those scenes? Is their contribute to the story proportional to the screen time they got?
The fact that, as you said, Oden overshadowed them despite their huge amount of screen time shouldn't tell us that maybe all those scenes with them weren't that necessary?

I'm sorry, but we can't act like screen time isn't that important when discussing ONE PIECE, the series well known for off screening many things.

I'm someone who used to consider Robin his favorite character of all anime, but as of now I don't even consider her a character anymore. She lacks any kind of characterisation, I'm not referring to fights, it's not with fights that you develop a character. She just appears at random times saying some lame stuff... this doesn't apply only to Robin, but to some of the other main characters. Wouldn't it be better to focus more on them instead of focusing so much on the scabbards whose real relevance in the story is quite questionable?



They're all just supporting characters of a saga at the end of the day, they're not supposed to stand out as much as flashy characters who pulled off legendary feats. Not all screen time is meant to achieve that. A lot is just there to make the story flow better, for comedic relief and to show that it's a world where people live in. This is a strength of One Piece. A lot of care is put in seeminlgy trivial aspects which make it feel like an actual world. That's the purpose of these characters, so I don't think their screen time was unnecessary. Apart from that, Wano is still not done.

And your other point was how other characters are more popular to which I replied that you overrate the significance of screen time.

One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron


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Demon Slayer had this problem. It would give every demon even if they appeared for like one episode a backstory. I am like I just don't care about generic demon #69's sad sappy backstory about him having a family or a bad childhood or some shit like that.
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FMmatron said:
Lepru said:


As you said, Shanks, Mihawk and the others stood out because they HAD AN IMPACT. The scabbards don't have that despite having much screen time. I'm not overrating the significance of screen time in a post about unnecessary development. The scabbard were developed a lot, yet they didn't do anything at all. Their development isn't just related to Oden, we had many scenes with them even before the Wano arc. This makes me think: was all that development really necessary? Were all those scenes focused on them for nothing? Did we really need all those scenes? Is their contribute to the story proportional to the screen time they got?
The fact that, as you said, Oden overshadowed them despite their huge amount of screen time shouldn't tell us that maybe all those scenes with them weren't that necessary?

I'm sorry, but we can't act like screen time isn't that important when discussing ONE PIECE, the series well known for off screening many things.

I'm someone who used to consider Robin his favorite character of all anime, but as of now I don't even consider her a character anymore. She lacks any kind of characterisation, I'm not referring to fights, it's not with fights that you develop a character. She just appears at random times saying some lame stuff... this doesn't apply only to Robin, but to some of the other main characters. Wouldn't it be better to focus more on them instead of focusing so much on the scabbards whose real relevance in the story is quite questionable?



They're all just supporting characters of a saga at the end of the day, they're not supposed to stand out as much as flashy characters who pulled off legendary feats. Not all screen time is meant to achieve that. A lot is just there to make the story flow better, for comedic relief and to show that it's a world where people live in. This is a strength of One Piece. A lot of care is put in seeminlgy trivial aspects which make it feel like an actual world. That's the purpose of these characters, so I don't think their screen time was unnecessary. Apart from that, Wano is still not done.

And your other point was how other characters are more popular to which I replied that you overrate the significance of screen time.


They may be side characters, but this doesn't mean that we should be okay with them being lame characters. As I've already said in my previous comments, my favorite one piece characters(top 10, if not top 20) are all side characters, many of them with less than half of the scabbards' development. I'm well aware of the importance of the side characters in One Piece, this is literally the main reason why I like it in the first place since I really dislike Luffy and I don't particularly love the other strawhats(I used to).

I don't agree with you saying that all those scenes should be accepted just because they show people living there. It would have been okay if their amount of scenes was limited, but it wasn't. As we all know, Oda tends to off screen way too many things... if he has to give them so much spotlight, he should at least make them interesting. He can do it, he has already done it infinite times. I don't see anything interesting in them and it seems like I'm not alone...

It's true that Wano is still ongoing, but their characters are already quite developed. If they are still quite lame I don't think more screen time will do much better. In my previous post I focused much more on their relevance in the story, so you're right in pointing it out, but that's not the only thing I consider.
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robinaa said:
Monster it takes lot of times for useless things and after that it takes time for character development, but development is still not good, but bravo you wasted 60 episodes in it


"Useless things" like what?

Bruh the character developments started in the very first episode and it goes almost (if not literally) non stop. No it didn't waste 60 eps what are you talking about mate.
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Lepru said:
FMmatron said:


They're all just supporting characters of a saga at the end of the day, they're not supposed to stand out as much as flashy characters who pulled off legendary feats. Not all screen time is meant to achieve that. A lot is just there to make the story flow better, for comedic relief and to show that it's a world where people live in. This is a strength of One Piece. A lot of care is put in seeminlgy trivial aspects which make it feel like an actual world. That's the purpose of these characters, so I don't think their screen time was unnecessary. Apart from that, Wano is still not done.

And your other point was how other characters are more popular to which I replied that you overrate the significance of screen time.


They may be side characters, but this doesn't mean that we should be okay with them being lame characters. As I've already said in my previous comments, my favorite one piece characters(top 10, if not top 20) are all side characters, many of them with less than half of the scabbards' development. I'm well aware of the importance of the side characters in One Piece, this is literally the main reason why I like it in the first place since I really dislike Luffy and I don't particularly love the other strawhats(I used to).

I don't agree with you saying that all those scenes should be accepted just because they show people living there. It would have been okay if their amount of scenes was limited, but it wasn't. As we all know, Oda tends to off screen way too many things... if he has to give them so much spotlight, he should at least make them interesting. He can do it, he has already done it infinite times. I don't see anything interesting in them and it seems like I'm not alone...

It's true that Wano is still ongoing, but their characters are already quite developed. If they are still quite lame I don't think more screen time will do much better. In my previous post I focused much more on their relevance in the story, so you're right in pointing it out, but that's not the only thing I consider.


They aren't my favorite side characters either, but they're also not worse than let's say Koza, Conis, Papaya, Kamy, you name and I don't think they ate away that much more time compared to aforementioned characters considering the length of the respective arcs. It may come off that way simply due to the fact that Kinemom was introduced almost 10 years ago. However, he didn't have all that much screen time on Dress Rosa. The few scenes with him like when he gave Luffy the fish costume or tried to pass as Doflamingo were pretty funny. Kanjuro also got to shine thanks to his DF. Usopp assist and Ryunosuke 😭 Then we can't of course not forget about the Raizo is safe moment either, which was quite powerful and one of the most appreciated moments of the entire last decade. We didn't see them at all during Whole Cake Island and in Wano they became more relevant than ever. So yeah, as a whole they ain't all too shabby by One Piece standards. I'm more inclined to agree with you when it comes to Denjiro or Ashura. They leave a lot to desire.

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robinaa said:
Monster it takes lot of times for useless things and after that it takes time for character development, but development is still not good, but bravo you wasted 60 episodes in it


"Useless things" like what?

Bruh the character developments started in the very first episode and it goes almost (if not literally) non stop. No it didn't waste 60 eps what are you talking about mate.
so basically you are saying monster story is not repetitive and character development for most of characters is very good, because it's 72 episodes guys and no episode can we tag as waste of time episode. Bravo just lemme just take a screenshot of your reply because it's hilarious
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robinaa said:
TRC_Randy said:


"Useless things" like what?

Bruh the character developments started in the very first episode and it goes almost (if not literally) non stop. No it didn't waste 60 eps what are you talking about mate.
so basically you are saying monster story is not repetitive and character development for most of characters is very good, because it's 72 episodes guys and no episode can we tag as waste of time episode. Bravo just lemme just take a screenshot of your reply because it's hilarious
firstly, where on earth did i say "story is not repetitive" again? Secondly, how is "repetitive story" related to "unnecessary character development"? I mean "story" and "character" are separate things you know. Besides if that's the case then Death Note also has unnecessary character development as Near's arc just repeats what L did previously and so do tons of other anime.

Yeah and that's what i'm claiming - it has good character development and it doesn't waste 60 eps like you said. If you disagree then bring up your own arguments instead of misrepresenting my points. (come on if it was Light Yagami he wouldn't have done this silly mistake)

Hilarious or not you can screenshot anything you want. Btw you spelled it "halarious". Just sayin.
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TRC_Randy said:
robinaa said:
so basically you are saying monster story is not repetitive and character development for most of characters is very good, because it's 72 episodes guys and no episode can we tag as waste of time episode. Bravo just lemme just take a screenshot of your reply because it's hilarious
firstly, where on earth did i say "story is not repetitive" again? Secondly, how is "repetitive story" related to "unnecessary character development"? I mean "story" and "character" are separate things you know. Besides if that's the case then Death Note also has unnecessary character development as Near's arc just repeats what L did previously and so do tons of other anime.

Yeah and that's what i'm claiming - it has good character development and it doesn't waste 60 eps like you said. If you disagree then bring up your own arguments instead of misrepresenting my points. (come on if it was Light Yagami he wouldn't have done this silly mistake)

Hilarious or not you can screenshot anything you want. Btw you spelled it "halarious". Just sayin.
story and characters are different things I know but character development with story is also important but in my opinion story itself sometime lost in some other characters which are not important for story and it doesn't happens some time but many times, I don't like character development I don't see much that happens with long episodes, I expect good character development with long episodes, it only losts in things like how much reality is in anime and how much saint our Tenma is and also I don't like dialogues that much, and when near have unnecessary character development???near repeats what??? this guy only shares some personality like l and does using previous work of l is wrong and monster waste many episodes you agree or not Idc if no then tell me didn't you feel bored in half of episodes, I'm right or wrong see I don't like some monster things but it could be a fine story for me with a short series and I don't do any mistake I write a fking big reply which got wasted ~hilarious~
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Guilty Crown, dropped it after the mc's friend died and he got some "development"

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