Worst plot hole/inconsistency you've seen? Did it ruin the anime for you?

Adampk said:


"U sacrifice something to gain something else" Well, that's not how exactly restriction works.
Alluka doesn't have nen power, but nanika has wish granting ability. but its not really mentioned if it related to nen or not. As for illumi case what he used was a condition - a pre set activation code (it was not a restriction)

Oh sorry, illumi nen restriction = rationality or emotion.....What????

ReegrezSNK said:



You can't panic like a idiot in the military, they just started looking for an explanation of the case as soon as possible, they covered it with a blanket, because that's how the person who knew about everything told them to do it

Erebus_Akeldama said:

The hell are you talking about? They literally said that that was a ground breaking discovery

lswarmruler said:
Well, i don't really have any problem with re zero anime as i have read the webnovel version.

The biggest plot hole for me is probably how character in Kimi no Nawa (Your Name) movie never see the dates they are in even when opening their phone n making diary.

And yes it totally ruins my immersion n make me give the anime score 1. (I don't buy the dream explanation bs)

Nalusa_Falaya said:

Are you talking about the AOT one ? Well, Why ???

These news should've been the biggest news EVER (In a bad way) I can understand Hanje not freaking out about it considering her personality, Same thing with the priest, But don't you think the troops going "Woah, That's new, What a discovery" Is WAY too calm for a TITAN IN THE WALL, literally their biggest defense turned out to be infested with their biggest enemy.

Erebus_Akeldama said:


I think you'd just have to watch it again.

Oh and Levi's choice makes so much sense and it is justified.
Yes, I like Erwin more, but I think Levi went with the better decision and he believed he did too.

Nalusa_Falaya said:

Ah yes, "You think there's a plot hole in AOT ? You just need to watch it again" The good old typical AOT rebuttal, At least it would've been more fun if you tried to explain your point.

Also, Why are you assuming I think Levi is inconsistent because I like Erwin more ? Hell, I wanted both Armin and Erwin to die (Since I think it would've been better for the story)

So don't just assume I'm saying that because I like Erwin and if you want to actually prove your point, You're gonna have to go further than "It makes sense and it's justified"

Erebus_Akeldama said:


? what the heck are you even talking about?
I never assumed that you liked Erwin more… ? bro, shut up

As for the walls
I genuinely don't know the best argument to the plot holes in Aot, because I genuinely believe that there aren't that many. I'm pretty sure they covered everything about the wall, it's just been a while since I've seen season two, but I'm pretty sure that they covered the topic.

JVFE said:
Bro, that´s exactly how restrictions works, Kurapika sacrifices his life time to gain power(change his nen type) when using the "emperor time", Gon did the same thing, but while Kurapika sacrifices 1 hour per second, Gon sacrified everything at the moment, that´s why he became so powerful, and the reason of why other people can´t use it is also explained, Gon didn´t sacrifice just his life, he sacrified his potential as a nen user, and Gon´s potential is said to be one of the highest among the characters, with that said, it would be impossible to someone like Pokkle to achieve that level of power by doing it and also to someone like Netero who already have achived his peak.

Yumerei said:

That IS how limitation works. You sacrifice your freedom in addition to whatever you throw in the mix. The more the oaths, the stronger your power. Illumi's condition follows the same concept, but since it's just a condition, it's weaker and it comes with weaker consequences. Nanika's ability does not follow nen's limitations and conditions, but it follows the natural law of power balancing in HxH universe, for obvious reasons.

Adampk said:

Kirupika changes his type from conjurer to specialist because of scarlet eyes. Not because of some restriction. That was not even a use of restriction. He used restriction on chains which is different. U are oversimplyfying things what is actually very complex.
Pokkle atleast could still have enough potential to best is chimera henchman...lol. noone is asking him to be super gon, i am only saying he could atleast be super pokkle.

Kenzolo-folk said:

Exactly, did we ever find out how or when he poisoned the candy? its sad that we still don't know...

Adampk said:

Illumi doesn't have any mental condition. (The preset order control is a different thing from restriction) Now u really sound stupid .
What the hell is "natural law of power balance"?
Are u drunk???
Stop creating something which is not there in hxh. It sound like a brother concept of power of friendship...lol

JVFE said:
Nah man, it’s not because of the scarlet yes, the scarlet yes are just one more condition to activate the “emperor time”, Kurapika explains in the next arc(that’s only in the manga) that his “emperor time” is a restriction that sacrifices 1 hour of his life time per second when activated, so yeah, it’s confirmed to be a restriction, and a restriction that sacrifice life time, you can’t just deny a fact, moving on, yes Pokkle could kill that quimera ant, but mind you that after killing it, he would be basically dead, so what would be the point? His mind was also not in the same state as Gon, his was trying to survive and was still thinking at least, Gon was just fury, he didn’t care what would happen, he just wanted to kill Pitou. In fact, Pokkle almost survived if Pitou didn’t appear, at that moment, no matter what he could sacrifice, he was already dead and wouldn’t hurt Pitou at all.

Yumerei said:

Are you drunk??? No one said anything about illumi's mental condition. What did you even read??? There's nen limitations/oaths (制約) and then there's nen terms/conditions (条件) which Illumi uses and it follows the SAME principle as limitations albeit weaker and less restrictive. Whatever did you think a condition is?? Lol. HxH's natural law of power balance is the principle of equivalent exchange, you can find the explanation in the series.

Adampk said:

If u go and check that arc in manga where kurapika explains the emperor time, It kind of side effect of using emperor time. it is not introduced as a restriction. Go and check he exactly says "While activated every second shortens users life". It not actually a restriction. Limitation or restriction is a vow taken to empower a power to make it more effective and if u break the vow it will cost u. What happens with kurapika 's emperor time is a entirely different thing. He is not restricting any thing or neither like gon he is not sacrificing anything. it only that when he uses such power it causes to shorten ur life (like strain ur body kind of thing). it is not same as a restriction. Thats why I said u are oversimplyfying things.

as for pokkle, Neferpitou only appeared after pokkle was captured. before that, when he fought pike He was actually very angry. Forget pokkle, u would atleast think there more people who could had used that power what gon used. But thats not the case

Adampk said:

Which illumi power are u particularly talking about? ( if u are talking about needle power then, the limitation and condition which illumi used (activation requirement) are two separate thing which follows separate principles/rule which is properly explained. Don't bunch everything is same. Go and check)
As for HxH's natural law of power balance is the principle of equivalent exchange or whatever, show me a explanation, which chapter???

JVFE said:
Bro, okay, let´s go by your logic and agree that Kurapika`s case is a consequence...why that consequence happen? Because he uses the emperor time....there is nothing too difficult to undestand, if the emperor time was activate just with the scarlet eyes, then Kurapika would already be dead, it´s not like he has 100% control over his eyes, but he has over the emperor time, how is that not a restriction? 1 hour per second is a lot objective to be considered a natural consequence, it´s pretty obvious that a condition was stablished, the simple fact that the emperor time puts a lot of stress over his body already validates it as a restriction, it´s a give and take situation, and again, it´s not natural, it just puts stress in Kurapika´s body because it was a ability Kurapika created with nen, Kurapika created it knowing that, because such power doesn´t come for free, it was needed a restriction, Kurapika could have choosed something lighter, for example, while the emperor time is active I can use healing chain, the stress over his body would be smaller because the power given is not that much, so in summary, it´s a restriction, no matter what angle you look it.

As for Pokkle, yeah he was angry, but his goal was to survive, so no point in copying Gon, he would´t even think about doing it, and about the others characters, as I explained, Gon sacrified his potential as a nen user, the Gon we see killing Pitou is Gon at his hypothetical peak, so a adult like Morel wouldn´t be able to do that, because he is already at his peak, and also someone without potential, what Gon did is basically exclusive to him and few others "kid" individuals like Killua, who have more potential as Nen users than Netero himself, that power didn´t come from nowhere, it was Gon´s power, he just accelerated things and the price you already know.

Yumerei said:

You should really "go and check" yourself lol. At this point it's just me giving you screenshots for my explanation. What gives?

Limitation and conditions are almost always used simultaneously. You can set a condition without pledging (then it'd just be a condition) or that you could just set a condition and swear to it (limitation). They are NOT separate entities. Lol.


And they all go by the principle of equivalent exchange. They even have an equation for the potentials of nen.

The more restrictions you placed, or the more power you obtained through it, the more consequence you'd face.

But there is a wild card for a possible breakthrough, by having a severe mental breakdown, and Gon and Pitou did just that. But they both suffer fatal consequences.


Nanika's ability follows the same strict concept of equivalent exchange

There's also a wild card for wish granting, but it STILL follows the principle somehow. Nanika views a "hug" from his big brother as greater than a obtaining a liver from someone else.

Adampk said:


Let me explain it from the beginning because u don't understand what a limitation is supposed to be...
Please go by exact meaning and read properly

Vows and Limitations - It a "self imposed restriction" .For example, if one consciously decides something along the lines of "I will only use this skill on Thursdays" or "I will only use this skill against short people" and manages to abide by that rule, that particular skill will become stronger. These restrictions are called "Limitations" and the act of swearing to respect them "Vow" or "Contract". Limitations that contain some sort of punishment (e.g. "I will die if I break this rule") will strengthen the ability even further.

Also there are also other "conditions" (separate from limitation) which can be put up to increase its power or to make the ability feasible in the first place like some require activation requirement (so condition to be fulfilled to be act) or other types which works differently

Lets take kurapika's case,
Emperor Time -Kurapika has scarlet eyes which allows him to change his type from conjurer to specialist. What is specialist? - its basically a kind of unique special power. In kurapika's case, his "Force" and "Accuracy" for every category are raised to 100%. which is what he calls emperor time. The cost he pays for staying in this state is every second spent in this mode shortens Kurapika's lifespan by one hour.
this is what u would call a toll to usage of a condition (its not really a limitation, it is a separate type of condition which costs on usage)

We are having all this discussion because of Gon getting op. So lets take his case

In gon's case we are never really explained properly what gon did.
All we see is gon went OP when he was angry. then his body starts to decay after the fight
According to pitou words, Gon case he got immense power by "sacrificing his inborn talent" or "shortening his life span" or "being prepared to never use his nen again". we are not really sure what does inborn talent mean- Is it nen? or is it like ability like atheletic and intellect etc? We are also not sure what type of power gon used like which nen type and all.
I mean gon's type is enhancement. He literally grew up into a adult man, that's not actually what u call a enhancement. So which type or what exactly he did there.
Also killua calls it a " oath and limitation", thats the only clue we have.
Not to mention, gon did everything without almost any knowledge or training about limitation.

So is what gon did is same as emperor time use kurapika ? - Not really, Kurapika is using a power which has repercussion/cost on the other hand gon is using the cost to get a insanely powerful power. but are opposite things. Kurapicka case activation was scarlet eyes and in gon case activation was the cost itself.

Having a risk or toll can happen in condition (or even in limitation). But in gon's case risk itself is potrayed as activation of his limitation.

Togashi has not properly explained what exactly happened between gon and pitou fight. it was simply glotted as gon sacrificed something to get op. In the techinical level of sense, like how he explains other fights he has not explained gon's situation. So yeah it's a plot hole in that sense, there are lot of inconsistencies based on dialogues on what gon used?, who the process worked? or what he sacrificed? etc. Yeah, people can speculate this and that. But it still doesn't mean it was not really clear what was that supposed to be

So that's what i was trying to say if u get that

Adampk said:


Limitation is a special type of condition. it a self created condition by pledging, not all condition are same as limitation (that's why i said illumi condition is different from limitation which is a special type, illumini's condition is a activation type of condition which require to follow certain set of rules to activate)

but in the end, in gon's case there was no condition or pledge. There was only consequence. And that consequence is assumed as a condition. That's what i was trying to say since the beginning. If there is a condition which gon place it's not really explained. We are only told about the consequence which is assumed as a condition and on top of it killua calls it as a oath and limitation.

As for u equivalent exchange, that not really true perfectly ( earning point in not necessarily what i would call equivalent exchange). Sure there are certain rules to follow, but that not exactly equivalent exchange in exact.
Eg -
-genthru ability countdown - it requires to follow 2 rules, he must touch the target while saying the word "Bomber" and explain both of his abilities in full. There no equivalent exchange or cost, he just have to follow activation rules
- leol also works the same way he has to follow 2 rules, no cost or exchange
-Shizuku Murasaki's blinky has a condition that it will not inhale anything that she considers living or that is made with Nen. there is not such thing as equivalent exchange for that
Most condition are risks taken or rules followed taken to increase the power, some has consequence/repurcussions and others don't have consequence. It's not really a "equaivalent" type of exchange.

nanika's wish granting ability has never been confirmed to be related to nen or its condition. so its a seperate case

Adampk said:
when gon from hunter x hunter turned in super gon without any logic (or using fullmetal alchemist logic). when pokkle and ponzu where killed and never to be mentioned again, it felt as if they never existed in the series.
Both things bugged me a lot

Adampk said:


i finally get it, u do don't know what equivalent exchange.
Every strategy based move is equivalent exchange for u. So i am not sure to say to u

the img u earlier showed

there is nothing said about equivalent exchange in this pic. Don't say nonsense.
they said about earning points by fulfilling difficult conditions, that's not really equivalent exchange. Check how mystery points are multiplied instead of added. Check how they mentioned poker and mahjong. Do u think those games are based are equivalent exchanges ? No, its more of something like probability, strategic anylasis and Combinatorics

as for nanika's powers...lol


Don't equivalent exchange everything...lol

As for condition are used in different ways
Kurapika's case (it is to keep self chosen promise, to create chain jail)

Genthru 's case (it's to fulfill certain activation requirement, to activate countdown)


u even literally said illumi's rationality is his nen restriction, they u contradicted by saying illumi has no mental problem. obviously illumi rationality has nothing to do with nen restriction, it because of his ambitions


lets finally go back to gon's case
pitou literally said she don't know what he did


then they went on talking about sacrificing and paying up instead of procedure of what gon did. The literally went back to ur primal equivalent exchange instead of telling proper procedure of what exactly happened. It's very ambiguous.

Also lets not forget what Kurapika teacher said-


So yeah in the end they were they were just rambling about consequence. Condition or pledge was never explained at least not properly (u can still make assumptions though)

Yumerei said:

In HxH, you can certainly equivalent exchange everything lol

Pfft. It seems to me that you're the one who doesn't know what equivalent exchange means. It just means in order to gain something of value, you must first give something of equal value. Basically, it's the rule of barter. Lol. Have you math? Why in the world of math did you highlight the multiplication??? A + B x C = D. When we're talking about an equation, the multiplication does not mean anything. It's the EQUAL SIGN that's matter, or that D is equivalent to A + B x C. Or that you must exchange A + B x C to get a D. Even in probability and combinatorics, there ARE equations.

And like I said before Killua's wishes and commands have no "risk" in the eyes of many mainly because Nanika views a "hug" from Killua as greater than someone's liver. Killua's "hug", "playtime", and "carry me" can be exchanged for a difficult command/wish, whereas in other people's case, they would need to exchange something fatal for the wish. Killua actually took a huge risk by never disobeying Alluka requests, ever. Turns out all Alluka wanted was something insignificant to the eyes of many, but to Alluka they're something precious since he could only obtain them from Killua. Hence, it's still equivalent exchange.


Bro, WHEN the f did I ever said Illumi's rationality is his nen restriction??? Does this sentence even make sense?? Wtf?? What did you even read? Seriously?

Ok, I said it before. it doesn't matter which nen type one uses. A condition IS a condition. EVERY condition has a prompt. That's what a condition is.

All conditions follow the "if ___, then ___" rule.
A limitation is just a condition with a punishment set for breaking the rule.

Conditions:
Condition 1: If I insert a needle to someone's head, then I can activate my nen and control the body.
Condition 2: If the head is removed, then I can no longer control the body.
Condition 3: If my eyes turn scarlet, then I can activate my chain.
Condition 4: If my opponent is a phantom troupe member, then my chain will be unbreakable.
Condition 5: If I touch my target, say "bomber" and explain my abilities, then I can attach a bomb to the person.

Limitations:
Condition 1: If I insert a needle to someone's head, then I can activate my nen and control the body. (Pledge: else I would __.)
Condition 2: If the head is removed, then I can no longer control the body. (Pledge: else I would __.)
Condition 3: If my eyes turn scarlet, then I can activate my chain. (Pledge: else I would __.)
Condition 4: If my opponent is a phantom troupe member, then my chain will be unbreakable. (Pledge: else I would __.)
Condition 5: If I touch my target, say "bomber" and explain my abilities, then I can attach a bomb to the person. (Pledge: else I would __.)


That literally explained everything Gon experienced. Lol.
He placed so many conditions and pledged, he didn't uphold his pledges, he faced consequences.

Condition and limitation were explained quite thoroughly, we know how one comes to face consequences. It's one of the strong points of HxH, you don't get this thorough of an explanation from other battle shounens, well, except maybe FMA since their alchemical powers also follow the principle of equivalent exchange.

Adampk said:


LOL, yeah everything is equivalent exchange.....might as well call is equi-allexplainable exchange, since u created it.
I didn't know why u brought up other shonen when it's not of importance in this discussion. But since u brought up, i agree hxh has a more complex power system with detailed explanation than other shonen. But when it comes to gon being super gon, other shonen explanation are the clear winner, u were just too much focused on ur equi-allexplainable exchange to ever notice.

limitation condition 1,2 and 5 - or else i would_____nothing
As for condition 3 thats not how it works (it only for judgement chain and there is no or else for it too)
A+BxC= !!. there is a equal sign, so what. he was only trying to explain power increase, he was not explaining equivalent exchange. Clearly LHS represent the gaining part but RHS is not representing the loosing part, its representing emphasis on the fact of power increase. I don't know how u don't understand the basic concept

Gon's case nothing was explained some key word (like inborn talent lose or nen lose or shortening life span etc) were sputtered by confused pitou who don't admitted she doesn't know what the hell is happening

the discussion is getting pointless i guess.

Yumerei said:

I did not create the equation and I did not create the manga dialog that mentioned "equivalent exchange". And since you created your own brand of equal, aka equi-allexplainable exchange, let's use that instead lmao.

You do notice that it's just examples of the use of limitations right?
Of course, "imitation condition 1,2 and 5 - or else i would_____nothing", because they're just conditions canonically.

What the hell do you think equi-allexplainable exchange means? Lol. That's not how the equal sign or equation works. There is no gaining part or losing part in an equation. It's all equal. I don't know how you don't understand the basic concept. If RHS value increases, so will the LHS. If LHS value increases, so will the RHS. That is the basics of equation. That's the equivalence. This equation meant the more you give (LHS), the more you get (RHS) and vice versa. That IS equi-allexplainable exchange.

Why did you look at Pitou to get answers in the first place? Lol.

Adampk said:


LOL u just contracted what u said

Ur words
"It's the EQUAL SIGN that's matter, or that D is equivalent to A + B x C. Or that you must exchange A + B x C to get a D."

Meaning- LHS (A+BxC) is losing part and RHS (D) is gaining part

My words
"Clearly LHS represent the gaining part but RHS is not representing the loosing part"

I said is right thing overall (only thing wrong is the mention of wrong thing)

Real equation shown
AP+SPx MP = !!

LHS represent gaining part (power gained by MP)
RHS(!!) represent emphasis on the fact of power increase

So my statement are still correct, u are looking it the wrong way.

In the end the fact remains Togashi showed the equation to tell power increase. Not to to explain equivalent exchange.

The manga used equivalent exchange word only for Nanika's ability ( not for nen condition or limitation). We all know that in nanika's ability are not equivalent exchange as it seemed before there are are exceptions. So u are the only one who is sticking to equivalent exchange, manga don't say it like that, it was basically a hiding factor used to make the exceptions less noticable

Yumerei said:

????

If A + B x C = D, say A + B x C is $5, and D is a fish, you can exchange $5 to get a fish. Since they're of equal value. That's correct.
But you can't use "gaining side and losing side" to explain that equation (with the equal sign), there is no gaining side or losing side, they're just equal. I think I get your point, but usually we go with "the more RHS, the more LHS". The times when I think about "gaining/losing" is when x - y (x losing y), or total gain total loss (but that sums up the whole equation)

And here's the thing, the equation does not show power increase, it's just a formula without numbers. You need numbers to show an increase in value. This is just an equation about the amount of input equals the amount of output. (等価交換)

As I mentioned, Nanika's ability IS equivalent exchange. Something of value to you might not be of value to others. You could trade your bull for a leaf if you value the leaf as equal to the bull. Alluka just values things her way.

Adampk said:

U are wrong (i will show u manga panel as proof)


Gaining side because we are comparing 2 equation,
The equation is show power increase, i think u are having understanding problem. Togashi intent of showing equation is different from ur fish equation which is trying to show equivalent exchange. !! means emphasis (showing a strong feeling)

Literally illumi said there are no risk. u are just trying to quantify unquantifiable thing by ur own logic for different scenario and grouping everything together aka generalizing. (nanika considering killua hug as of more value is only applicable for that that particular case scenario, Even killua also literally said he was hiding exceptions)

Yumerei said:

Lmao no lol. They did not put any numbers to MP to indicate any increase in power. And no, multiplication does NOT automatically mean an increase in value. Say,
AP = 100, SP = 100, MP = -3
It will result in:
AP + SP x MP
= 100 + 100 x (-3)
= 100 + (-300)
= -200

And boom, you suffer the consequences of your limitations lol.

About Killua's and Alluka's bond, it has to begin somewhere. And what I meant was Killua took a huge risk by becoming Nanika's playmate and managed to be in its good graces. And like I said before, there's always a wildcard mentioned in all these rules, and they always happen to be emotional in nature. I called it "hug", "playtime", "carry me". I thought you'd notice the quotations. There's something that Killua never fakes, and it's his love for Nanika. If Nanika views Killua's company as its ultimate request, then it makes sense that Killua will indeed be risk free, since he is the request. And it seems that whenever Nanika did a risk-free action, there's no external backlash. But Nanika itself would suffer the consequence (tire out), so yeah. What the manga said about equivalent exchange still applies.