What is a 'FAKE ANIME FAN'

certifiedsamurai said:
Wouldn't it simply be someone who claims to watch anime, but doesn't?

WNchad said:
Fake anime fans are women who watch anime to get attention from nerdy men. Also shounentards.

Tendo_GM said:
Everybody that rates Code Geass 10/10 and all the Jojo fans.
Both are just traps for anime newbies and cringe audience.

KazuXSora said:


Nope. Claim to watch anime and instead watches only shounen.



This.

Cneq said:
nah man I've read literary masterpieces like Muv-Luv and Umineko and Code Geass is still just as good as I remember.

@OP fake anime fans are basically anybody who watches 1-3 shows and then stops and proceeds to tell everyone "yeah I'm a anime fan, for sure"

WNchad said:
Fake anime fans are women who watch anime to get attention from nerdy men. Also shounentards.

Tendo_GM said:

It’s basically a flawed plot anime (season 1) with an edgy MC that is a basic trap for all the newbies to bang on. Lelouch is literally just a somewhat clever guy with a bad personality and poor reasoning that is executed in a way that it seems deep to inexperienced anime viewers.
It’s just a teen trap anime with waaaaaay to many plot conveniences.

Cneq said:
Of course it isn't a masterpiece and has flaws but at the very least it's a 8/10 or 9/10 depending on how much you overlook it's flaws and how much you base it on fun factor, some people just enjoy a OP fun mc every now and then.

And besides Muv-Luv, Gurren Lagann and Code Geass I can't think of any other mecha's that are actually good [setting aside eva because eva is more of a philosophical romp than a mecha] and almost all of the gundam shows have much more problems than Code Geass and overall are bad imo.

Tendo_GM said:

Code Geass is comparison to all Mecha anime pretty good, just like Gurren Lagann and FLCL, but in comparison to every anime ever made, it is just a disappointing mess, mostly because the art is terrible and plot is full of holes and conveniences that the Season 1 is unwatchable.
Newbies will cling to it like crazy when they see the MC who is smart and they will think he is the coolest guy in all of anime (the poor case of anime top favorited characters), but he is in fact super flawed and down right a bad character.

On surface the anime seems “cool” and “intelligent” and every newbie and “fake anime fan” will oversell it as a masterpiece and will cling to praising it, but under the surface, it’s just a bad written story (because of the convenience and plot holes) with bad character and terrible art and animation.

Cneq said:
In terms of animation, plot holes and mc it's still very much a 8/10 at the very least when compared to other anime out there.

For example you have absolutely terrible characters like Kirito, Eren Jaeger, Naruto, whatever the mc name from fairy tail was and so on and that's just the "acclaimed" stuff, add in all the random and semi-mainstream stuff that constantly comes out and you'd find a lot more than can be placed objectively under Lelouch. So I'd say a 8/10 is fair.

In terms of animation yeah the bodies are a bit wonky [but that's kind of a staple now, can't really be code geass without the noodle bodies] but in terms of the actual mechs and some of the major scenes the animation is pretty good.

Tendo_GM said:

Your argument about Lelouch being a good character is just bad.
You say that in comparison with other SHOUNEN characters that he is good, but that doesn’t mean anything. It’s a simple fact that there are hundreds and hundreds of much much better characters than Lelouch and in comparison with them he is a solid 2/10, you can’t say that he is anything special with so many better examples.

And a giant problem with him is that he is solely motivated by revenge, the most used snd hardest to execute motivation. Look at Eren, he is basically one of the most hated anime MCs because he is just blinded by rage of revenge and Lelouch is just the same from the perspective of his motivations being outright dumb and unrealistic. Revenge for his sister that starts him on a path of public assassinations and terrorist acts is an example of extremely bad written revenge character.
It’s a cursed choice to make your character motivated by revenge because if it’s not done right, than it is impossible for the character to be empathized with (just imagine trying to feel the same rage like Eren against titans, it’s impossible), but if it’s done correctly, than you get an amazing protagonist like Thorfinn from Vinland Saga who is in reality outshined by antagonist Askeladd who is also a character motivated by revenge and it is done well and Code Geas does not do it well. Simple version is that Lelouch is from the roots of his introduction and creation a badly written character and terrible in comparison to every other anime character who is made from the same idea, there is no possible way for him to be better than any other good character.

TrueReset said:
Its really just an ad hominem for when they are mad at you

A fake anime fan probably doesn't form their own opinions about the medium, or they'd only watch mainstream shows (which isn't that bad anyways)

It seems like if someone called you a fake anime fan they're attacking you because of your character in some way, like they think you're a jerk about anime, so they label your opinions as trolling, not necessarily related to being an anime fan but your personality. It's just a childish insult shsh

Tendo_GM said:

Your argument about Lelouch being a good character is just bad.
You say that in comparison with other SHOUNEN characters that he is good, but that doesn’t mean anything. It’s a simple fact that there are hundreds and hundreds of much much better characters than Lelouch and in comparison with them he is a solid 2/10, you can’t say that he is anything special with so many better examples.

And a giant problem with him is that he is solely motivated by revenge, the most used snd hardest to execute motivation. Look at Eren, he is basically one of the most hated anime MCs because he is just blinded by rage of revenge and Lelouch is just the same from the perspective of his motivations being outright dumb and unrealistic. Revenge for his sister that starts him on a path of public assassinations and terrorist acts is an example of extremely bad written revenge character.
It’s a cursed choice to make your character motivated by revenge because if it’s not done right, than it is impossible for the character to be empathized with (just imagine trying to feel the same rage like Eren against titans, it’s impossible), but if it’s done correctly, than you get an amazing protagonist like Thorfinn from Vinland Saga who is in reality outshined by antagonist Askeladd who is also a character motivated by revenge and it is done well and Code Geas does not do it well. Simple version is that Lelouch is from the roots of his introduction and creation a badly written character and terrible in comparison to every other anime character who is made from the same idea, there is no possible way for him to be better than any other good character.

CuteAssTiger said:


are you sure you have seen the anime you are talking about because lelouch is motivated mostly by his sister

there are also other innumerable other differences between him and eren and in what universe is eren one of the most hated Mcs ?

neither have i seen anybody ever saying that they cant get behind erens hatred for titans .
it really sounds like you are making up writing issues that just arent there

people who pretend code geass is a bad anime are funny dude

Tendo_GM said:

Yes I know that he is motivated by his sister and his intentions are solely revengeful, that’s exactly what I said.

Eren is in fact on of the most controversial anime MCs because some people really don’t like him and others do like him and there is a long running conflict of fans and haters of Eren, just check any “Bad MCs in good anime” forum and more than 50% of the replies are Eren. It’s just a well established split in community with a huge amount of hate going towards him.

And majority of people can’t emphasize with his hatred of Titans and wish for revenge, it’s impossible to transfer a personal experience of loss that became revengeful motivation to just a regular or any kind of viewer. It’s an imaginative scenario that is impossible to empathize with because normal people don’t know and can’t know what it’s like to feel what he feels. Anybody that says otherwise is just plain wrong.

Writing issues in Code Geass season 1 exist in vast numbers and great depth.
And there are more examples of the same kind of things in the show that I don’t have time to mention here, CG is full of them.

Cneq said:
There are very few "good" characters in anime and since there's such a small number they would all occupy the 9/10 spots and the 10/10 spots, thus making Lelouch a 8/10 is a fair judgement.

Your basis on Lelouch being a bad character doesn't hold much weight because your idea of his revenge being "dumb and unrealistic" is entirely subjective.

Almost ALL stories in the real world of revenge start for very simple reasons and they eventually progress to bigger ambitions and if they don't reach that point the person either takes his revenge and succeeds or they get arrested/die trying. So if anything Lelouch's revenge is probably the most realistic if anything, not to mention Lelouch was never blinded by rage, he simply continue on his path of revenge with a pretty clear mind about it all.

In terms of Eren he is hated because he is a one dimensional piece of trash and not only is he badly written but he's absolutely terrible to even watch, most side characters of even the worst shows at least have more entertainment value than Eren, including many in attack on titan itself.

I believe a truly good written revenge plot will end exactly how it should end, the main character dying regardless of whether they succeed or not, if anything I'd say a more bleak outcome would add a lot more than simply getting you to "empathize" with the character.

After all the moment anyone choices the path of revenge by force they forfeit their life, that is not fiction that is reality and if we're going to get into what's "realistic" that is one of the most realistic outcomes.

I personally hate Vinland Saga because it's very nature is unrealistic, almost to the point of being unwatchable unless you really tell yourself "okay this is anime, guess it's alright if it's stupidly over the top".

For example a viking kid, somehow, has the NATURAL ability to dual wield daggers and fight a literal monster of a man and somehow inflict damage to him [not talking about Askeladd,talking about that fight on the wall mid-way through]. His movement is completely unrealistic and in zero situation would he stand a chance against anyone, even a average viking.

And as someone who knows English history I just can't fool myself to somehow believe any of it is realistic, he would've been dead most likely in his first battle on his own.

Where as Code Geass doesn't try to add BS without proper reason, it's a show with mechs and the only reason Lelouch even stands a chance against anyone is because he has a power that literally lets you command anyone to do anything and just about ANYONE in real life could probably achieve similar results if said power existed.

Where as vinland saga is just unrealistic for....who knows why, guess it was just the authors flavor.

So yeah, pretty sure a 8/10 is reasonable for Code Geass and if you put aside vinlands absurdity in which they could've easily added a bit more realistic fighting it'd also be a 8/10 since it's certainly not bad.

Tendo_GM said:

lol, I have to tackle your comment about Vinland Saga being unrealistic first because you’re so wrong.

And to be clear, I am only comparing the characters, not plot, but ok.

Yes, Vinland Saga is just a tiny bit farfetched, but in the most unimportant ways, probably the only scene that goes to unrealistic lengths is when Thorkell throws an axe that slices a few peoples heads off, but it’s a scene that has no impact on the story and is totally meaningless in the whole spectrum of things.

Viking kin somehow has the power to dual wield blades???
Did you not realize that Thorfinn had blades when Askeladds crew took him (about the age of 7-8) and then the first fighting he does with the blades happens when he is much much older, about 16 years old (don’t remember, they do mention his age actually) and they show all the years he spent in the woods surviving and training only with those blades, so how is it unrealistic for someone to learn to use 2 simple knives to fight when he had more than 7 years to do so, kids learn to play instruments in a shorter time.

Next you said that its unrealistic that he can inflict damage to a grown man (even tho he had year and years of training). If you read Vagabond you might know this, but there is a case of Miyamoto Musashi, one of the greatest swordsman who ever lived and one of the most important Japanese philosophers, when he was a kid (about 14 years old) a traveling Ronin was passing their village and he put up a sign saying that he wants to challenge the greatest warrior in Musashi’s village. A few days later Musashi took down the sign and left his name with the time of day when he wants to battle the Ronin. When it was time for the duel Musashi took the sign and when to fact off with the Ronin, but the Ronin was just standing there, he thought that it was a joke and he declined the duel, but Musashi insisted and then he attacked him. Musashi took the sign and rammed the Ronin, piercing him and knocking him to the ground, he that jumped on him started beating him to death and eventually killed him.
Those are historical facts, a kid in medical Japan who killed a man, a Ronin, trained swordsman. So tell me? how is it so unrealistic for Thorfinn, a Viking boy, to fight well with a grown man? You really think that the most brutal Nordic tribe is bad at fighting?
It’s 100% realistic, and every single fight of Thorfinn is 100% done realistically.

You said that CG doesn’t add random BS? Then check the BS plot that i described in this same forum to one other guy and you’ll see how BS Code Geass really is.

Then you described Eren as a bad protagonist (and I agree with that), but every argument you used to describe him also applies on Lelouch, they are both written bad and have the exact same flaws.

But in the beginning you described a “good” revenge story, but you actually didn’t read what i said before, CG is not bad because it’s revenge arc is done bad, but because of the character who is carrying that revenge and because of the motivation for revenge (also check out my other comment with the other guy on this forum for more details of bad writing of his motivation). You just described how revenge stories “should” end, but the ending and the process of the revenge don’t matter because of the premise, you can’t empathize with Lelouch, his anger is impossible to transfer to the viewer, so the whole process of revenge is meaningless, because you are just watching an angry guy who is doing bad stuff and you can’t understand how he is feeling because you can’t empathize with him. Lelouch does some very bad things along the way that are supposed to be excusable bcs of his motivation, but how can then a viewer morally say that Lelouch assassinating a person is excusable if we are not the ones who are seeking revenge?

Cneq said:
You misunderstood what I said therefore your two paragraphs don't really apply. I didn't say it was unrealistic for a kid to become a soldier with training nor wound a normal person, I said it ISN'T normal for a kid to somehow naturally gain superhuman movement and somehow wound someone who also has superhuman movement. The entire foundation of combat is unrealistic for the flair of the story and that is what the writer went with, but it is in fact IMPOSSIBLY unrealistic.

Just look at this:



No matter what kind of training and no matter what kind of background it is UNREALISTIC for a 16 year old brat to scale a fort and cut down 6+ fully grown MEN that are trained french soldiers and do so in a complete straight line on a narrow wall and somehow survive. It's simply stupid.

And you keep going on about Lelouch being a "bad character" but you do realize Thorfin DIDN'T EVEN SPEAK for like almost half the series right? lmao he spoke like 4 whole sentences and was a stereotypical edgy brat the entire time, ZERO reason to care for his character and almost zero effort to actually develop him for over half the series.

Honestly sounds like you just hate Lelouch for personal reasons. you should keep in mind personal opinions don't really matter when it comes to objectively evaluating the writing of a character.


EDIT: Now that I watch that clip again my god is it hilarious lmao almost forgot he JUMPED up a fort wall, good god lmao