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Nov 3, 2020 7:48 AM
#1
Does anyone know why this phenomenon is occurring, and why it's so mainstream? |
Nov 3, 2020 7:49 AM
#2
Because freedom of expression. Drawings don't have rights. It's appealing because it's anti-normie. If it was widely accepted, it would still be appealing. Mod Note: Removed bait |
dipItFooNov 3, 2020 8:21 PM
Nov 3, 2020 7:51 AM
#3
Because if it's a cartoon, you basically get free rein to do whatever your want, especially in Japan. Not giving any opinions in morality or anything, I think this is pretty much fact from all the cursed shit I've been exposed to lol |
Nov 3, 2020 7:51 AM
#4
No. This isn't 2013 anymore, no one does this anymore. |
Nov 3, 2020 7:52 AM
#5
Can you give examples of sexualizing children? IpreferEcchi said: Because freedom of expression. Drawings don't have rights. It's appealing because it's anti-normie. If it was widely accepted, it would still be appealing. Pretty funny for someone who prefers ecchi. Mod Note: Edited quote |
dipItFooNov 3, 2020 8:22 PM
Scordolo's Recent Reviews To your eternity Vanitas no Karte |
Nov 3, 2020 7:53 AM
#6
Which show? I love cute lolis, but i don't really sexualized them at all. I just want to give them a hug, a headpat, n touch their cute cheeks. Other than that i just want to watch them having fun with their daily lives. 💕 |
lswarmrulerNov 3, 2020 7:57 AM
Try reading Spy x Family Manga ^_^ U will love it, i promise... |
Nov 3, 2020 7:54 AM
#7
Scordolo said: Pretty funny for someone who prefers ecchi. I like ecchi because sexual entertainment will always be the best entertainment. Period. Sexual entertainment includes sexualized 2D lolis. I want my preferences to be everyone's preferences. |
Nov 3, 2020 7:57 AM
#8
Seriously even on MAL????, just like @IpreferEcchi said, "Drawings don't have rights" you can fap to someone fucking to their own biological mom, there is nothing that isn't sexualized in drawings. Personally, while I think it is "weird", there is nothing wrong with it, it's just a drawing. First and foremost, why do people like waifu's, people like me use waifu's as an escape on real girls, to be frank, it's because they don't exist that we can use them as an escape on reality. Thus can be said on hentai too, that are taboo. |
ZeryphalixNov 3, 2020 8:01 AM
Nov 3, 2020 8:12 AM
#9
Let them do whatever they want. I, personally, find it absolutely disgusting, but if they want to partake in such activities, then good for them. PS: Refrain from making these threads, the loli fans will all jump on you. It's best to ignore them. |
Nov 3, 2020 8:14 AM
#10
Because some people are fuckin weirdos that get off to sexi lolis, so the industry has to cater to them. Do you understand how many legitimately good shows I can never recommend to anyone because of naked lolis? People see my fucking anime list, see Monogatari in it (which I have rated highly), search it on youtube and the next day give me weird stares. Do you know why? Because they see this fucking clip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eOefd87-rk A 17yr old kissing a 500yr old who looks like 8 Fucking hell. I hate loli culture. There are a lot of sexualised teenage girl in anime too,but I can get why. These type of shows are mainly aimed at teenagers and wants to attract them ,so it makes sense why they will do that. Hero Aca is a good example. But loli? Who the fuck are you making loliporn for? 8yr olds? Holy shit. I mainly don't care about it that much. This shit only becomes a problem when I have to recommend shows to people. I myself just ignore it. But holy fuck Japan please stop. It is THIS easy to not show a 11yr old sexualised (Goddamnit No Game no Life) |
DomineLkiraNov 3, 2020 8:43 AM
Nov 3, 2020 8:18 AM
#11
Nov 3, 2020 8:19 AM
#12
Nov 3, 2020 8:28 AM
#13
DomineLkira said: Because some people are fuckin weirdos that get off to sexi lolis, so the industry has to cater to them. Do you understand how many legitimately good shows I cant never recommend to anyone because of naked lolis? People see my fucking anime list, see Monogatari in it (which I have rated highly), search it on youtube and the next day give me weird stares. Do you know why? Because they see this fucking clip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eOefd87-rk A 17yr old kissing an 500yr old who looks like 8 Fucking hell. I hate loli culture. There are a lot of sexualised teenage girl in anime too,but I can get why. These type of shows are mainly aimed at teenagers and wants to attract them ,so it makes sense why they will do that. Hero Aca is a good example. But loli? Who the fuck are you making loliporn for? 8yr olds? Holy shit. I mainly don't care about it myself that much. This shit only becomes a problem when I have to recommend shows to people. I myself just ignore it. But holy fuck Japan please stop. It is THIS easy to not show a 11yr old sexualised (Goddamnit No Game no Life) You do have a point there. I love the Monogatari series but I would never reccomend it to anyone who was not already deep into anime culture. Because by the second episode, Araragi is feeling up the OTHER DEAD Loli (Shinobu is undead I guess) then you got the whole siscon/lolicon going on in Nisemonogatari. Goddamn, sometimes I rewatch it to seem if my opinion changes but no, it's still a good show even with all the fan service. |
Nov 3, 2020 8:32 AM
#14
japan got a lolicon culture what else? its just pedophilia for the rest of the world though |
Nov 3, 2020 8:51 AM
#15
It's simply because some people get turned on by drawing which represents little children. Since ch*****rn is illegal (idk if it's necessary to censor it but I have to be cautious, people get so sensitive by this word which sadly exists in various places) they just try the other alternative, and it's also a better way for them because they can safely talk about their how they want to insert their dick into a fictional drawing that suspiciously looks like a little girl. I'm not blaming them, all I want to say is that some people have weird ass fetishes and we shouldn't make fun of them for that, we people are unique beings so there will exist many types of kinks people get turned on by, even ones that we would never think of as sexually attractive (or hell some that we wouldn't even know they exist) |
Nov 3, 2020 8:53 AM
#16
Nov 3, 2020 9:01 AM
#17
s DomineLkira said: funny a monogatari fan is saying this <<<<<<<Because some people are fuckin weirdos that get off to sexi lolis, so the industry has to cater to them. Do you understand how many legitimately good shows I can never recommend to anyone because of naked lolis? People see my fucking anime list, see Monogatari in it (which I have rated highly), search it on youtube and the next day give me weird stares. Do you know why? Because they see this fucking clip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eOefd87-rk A 17yr old kissing a 500yr old who looks like 8 Fucking hell. I hate loli culture. There are a lot of sexualised teenage girl in anime too,but I can get why. These type of shows are mainly aimed at teenagers and wants to attract them ,so it makes sense why they will do that. Hero Aca is a good example. But loli? Who the fuck are you making loliporn for? 8yr olds? Holy shit. I mainly don't care about it that much. This shit only becomes a problem when I have to recommend shows to people. I myself just ignore it. But holy fuck Japan please stop. It is THIS easy to not show a 11yr old sexualised (Goddamnit No Game no Life) |
Nov 3, 2020 9:15 AM
#18
20m said: s DomineLkira said: funny a monogatari fan is saying this <<<<<<<Because some people are fuckin weirdos that get off to sexi lolis, so the industry has to cater to them. Do you understand how many legitimately good shows I can never recommend to anyone because of naked lolis? People see my fucking anime list, see Monogatari in it (which I have rated highly), search it on youtube and the next day give me weird stares. Do you know why? Because they see this fucking clip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eOefd87-rk A 17yr old kissing a 500yr old who looks like 8 Fucking hell. I hate loli culture. There are a lot of sexualised teenage girl in anime too,but I can get why. These type of shows are mainly aimed at teenagers and wants to attract them ,so it makes sense why they will do that. Hero Aca is a good example. But loli? Who the fuck are you making loliporn for? 8yr olds? Holy shit. I mainly don't care about it that much. This shit only becomes a problem when I have to recommend shows to people. I myself just ignore it. But holy fuck Japan please stop. It is THIS easy to not show a 11yr old sexualised (Goddamnit No Game no Life) Oh boy trust me , this is an opinion held by alot of monogatari fans. |
Nov 3, 2020 9:42 AM
#19
Because these are just drawings. These aren't real children, these aren't real people. There is a huge difference between Lolicons and Pedophiles... Lolicons are turned only turned on by these drawings, not real children. There is nothing wrong with it. |
Nov 3, 2020 9:56 AM
#20
They don't..... they are all drawings with most have no discernible age from adults to teens etc. Plus even if you want to go further for that like talking about say hentai or sexualized stuff it can be a kink to do RP something that is incredibly amoral main reason the teacher school girl fantasy is common or why people are into age play. In large though most idiots who whine about how sexualized anime is ignore that really comes down to them. It's pretty easy in large to avoid a lot of this if you really want to. It's also incredibly stupid to say well I wanted to recommend this show that I really like but it has x in it yeah well then that's what the show's content entails. Plenty of shows I like I wouldn't recommend to people who hate gore, dark themes or other stuff people may deem problematic. |
BilboBaggins365Nov 3, 2020 9:59 AM
Nov 3, 2020 10:14 AM
#21
TolkienFan365 said: They don't..... they are all drawings with most have no discernible age from adults to teens etc. Plus even if you want to go further for that like talking about say hentai or sexualized stuff it can be a kink to do RP something that is incredibly amoral main reason the teacher school girl fantasy is common or why people are into age play. In large though most idiots who whine about how sexualized anime is ignore that really comes down to them. It's pretty easy in large to avoid a lot of this if you really want to. It's also incredibly stupid to say well I wanted to recommend this show that I really like but it has x in it yeah well then that's what the show's content entails. Plenty of shows I like I wouldn't recommend to people who hate gore, dark themes or other stuff people may deem problematic. The thing is that gore dark themes etc have a huge fanbase. Almost every hugely popular show has these themes in it. Whereas this loli bullshit is only enjoyed by people who are lolicons or pedophiles. (seriously even the fact that I am separating the two is being generous). And yeah, this fanservice is very easy to ignore and I do ignore it almost every time, except when a series as good as monogatari comes in and I just have to watch it. And gore , dark themes and even sex scenes can be important to a show like Game of Thrones for example, whereas series like monogatari can replace these lolicon bs with some other shit and the core themes of the series will remain unchanged. In other words it is useless to the story. Useless shit added just because it sells in the Japanese market. The fact I cant recommend this series to any of my friends and talk and discuss it with them because of this lolicon BS is just sad. |
Nov 3, 2020 10:21 AM
#22
DomineLkira said: TolkienFan365 said: They don't..... they are all drawings with most have no discernible age from adults to teens etc. Plus even if you want to go further for that like talking about say hentai or sexualized stuff it can be a kink to do RP something that is incredibly amoral main reason the teacher school girl fantasy is common or why people are into age play. In large though most idiots who whine about how sexualized anime is ignore that really comes down to them. It's pretty easy in large to avoid a lot of this if you really want to. It's also incredibly stupid to say well I wanted to recommend this show that I really like but it has x in it yeah well then that's what the show's content entails. Plenty of shows I like I wouldn't recommend to people who hate gore, dark themes or other stuff people may deem problematic. The thing is that gore dark themes etc have a huge fanbase. Almost every hugely popular show has these themes in it. Whereas this loli bullshit is only enjoyed by people who are lolicons or pedophiles. (seriously even the fact that I am separating the two is being generous). And yeah, this fanservice is very easy to ignore and I do ignore it almost every time, except when a series as good as monogatari comes in and I just have to watch it. And gore , dark themes and even sex scenes can be important to a show like Game of Thrones for example, whereas series like monogatari can replace these lolicon bs with some other shit and the core themes of the series will remain unchanged. In other words it is useless to the story. Useless shit added just because it sells in the Japanese market. The fact I cant recommend this series to any of my friends and talk and discuss it with them because of this lolicon BS is just sad. Yeah I fail to see again how that counteracts my point. Just because it's niche doesn't mean that it doesn't have the right to exist. Slow episodic atmosphere shows like Mushishi don't have a wide appeal no matter how much I think it's an amazing series. Not everything needs to be safe or made that so most people can enjoy it. Secondly loli art basically has the same appeal as a lot of petite porn stars which pedophiles also have been caught with. That's why you have plenty of small adult cosplayers who like to market themselves as legal lolis or shotas. When you group it like that you basically are implying that there is an easy direct link which there isn't. Psychologists like Saitō Tamaki basically agree on that point. There is no point of demonstrable harm or possibility for exploitation nor an innate pipeline to being a child sex abuser. That's why I will defend some loli getting railed but also feel Cuties is incredibly inappropriate. Finally I mean you bring up GOT a series that had a 13 year old raped by a much older guy in the books and HBO decided to romanticize that relationship in the show. Monogatari is for a niche audience that was what the creator desired and it's that simple. Fact is people whine about this but in large the actual amount of loli fanservice within anime that isn't hentai is tiny. Plus fanservice itself I actually wouldn't agree is always easy to ignore and can be quite bad (due to how it's used) I am saying that if you really want to avoid shows with sexual content it's not hard. |
Nov 3, 2020 10:23 AM
#23
I personally love the style of Monogatari, but it is really difficult for me to enjoy watching it because of the fanservice. Not just that I'm grossed out by some of it, but I think it's kind of annoying that not a single character that DOESN'T have some kind of sexual undertone to their relationship w the MC. I know that's the point of harem shows but.. what can I say. I think it's kind of stupid, and doesn't even really make sense for some of the characters. Anyway, I could say a lot about it but it's not really the topic of the thread... Thankfully Shaft makes tons of shows and not all of them have these problems. Lolicon is popular because otaku like it. This aspect of anime otaku culture actually mirrors the rise of idol otaku culture, which is also about creating fantasy girls/women for otaku to project desires onto. However, I think part of it that doesn't get acknowledged is that while tons of anime have historically been made for kids/young teens, they still ended up appealing to adults. As the adult otaku demographic has solidified, sexual content featuring underaged characters seemingly has become more of a solid trend as well, as creators try to appeal directly to this audience (Shinbo basically says flat out that this is what they do at Shaft: they unabashedly pander to Otaku a much as they can). I think the problem arises when this becomes rather mainstream (within anime), which is where we're at now basically. Sexual content can be subversive in art when it's a rarity amid a socially conservative climate, but that's really not how it is. It's kind of annoying for some of the most stylistically interesting anime to be filled with content that is off putting to anyone who isn't ok with lolicon or interested in male fantasy shit. Lolicon/underaged sexualization is not really "anti-normie," it's common as fuck in anime. If you want to watch something because it's anti-normie why not look into some shonen ai anime or something. Also, a lot of anime fans seem to be in denial that sexualization even exists in anime... "she's not being sexualized, she just looks/acts like that. what's wrong with that?" is something I hear all of the time when a female characters boobs and pantsu are literally getting thrust into the camera incessantly and she's getting put into sexually compromising situations for the sake of a lame joke every other minute. Those are not choices a character is making, it's something the show does with the character. Yeah it's true that some women are hot/promiscuous/whatever in real life and they should sometimes be represented in art that way, but there's a clear difference between creating a real female character who happens to be like that and creating a character who only exists for the show to make use of her body to appeal to male viewers. Again, it's not an inherently terrible thing, but it becomes problematic when this is the prominent depiction. edit: Oh i should add, regardless of what kind of fetish i think is fucked up personally, i think it's ok for people to have outlets for their sexuality that don't harm anyone. the problem is the content of our entertainment DOES shape how people think about sex and about themselves. We decide what's normal by matching our own experiences in life against what types of images/ideas we're exposed to through media, so again it's the prominence of this type of content that is the point of contention to me |
removed-userNov 3, 2020 10:31 AM
Nov 3, 2020 10:28 AM
#24
DomineLkira said: Because some people are fuckin weirdos that get off to sexi lolis, so the industry has to cater to them. Do you understand how many legitimately good shows I can never recommend to anyone because of naked lolis? People see my fucking anime list, see Monogatari in it (which I have rated highly), search it on youtube and the next day give me weird stares. Do you know why? Because they see this fucking clip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eOefd87-rk A 17yr old kissing a 500yr old who looks like 8 Fucking hell. I hate loli culture. There are a lot of sexualised teenage girl in anime too,but I can get why. These type of shows are mainly aimed at teenagers and wants to attract them ,so it makes sense why they will do that. Hero Aca is a good example. But loli? Who the fuck are you making loliporn for? 8yr olds? Holy shit. I mainly don't care about it that much. This shit only becomes a problem when I have to recommend shows to people. I myself just ignore it. But holy fuck Japan please stop. It is THIS easy to not show a 11yr old sexualised (Goddamnit No Game no Life) Don't look at my favorites I Don't Really Sexualize Loli's Simply Because It's Not Really My Thing I Would Be Lying If I Said I Haven't Searched It Up But I Don't Really Get The Issue People Have With Characters That "Look Too Young" If The Age Is Confirmed And Legal What Gives You The Right To Call Me Fucked Up Or Sick? Especially If The Character Isn't Human Btw DomineLkira I'm Not Really Talking About You I'm Just Quoting You Because You Brought Up Shinobu From Monogatari Which Is One Of My Favorite Characters |
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Nov 3, 2020 10:32 AM
#25
shrapn3l said: I personally love the style of Monogatari, but it is really difficult for me to enjoy watching it because of the fanservice. Not just that I'm grossed out by some of it, but I think it's kind of annoying that not a single character that DOESN'T have some kind of sexual undertone to their relationship w the MC. I know that's the point of harem shows but.. what can I say. I think it's kind of stupid, and doesn't even really make sense for some of the characters. Anyway, I could say a lot about it but it's not really the topic of the thread... Thankfully Shaft makes tons of shows and not all of them have these problems. Lolicon is popular because otaku like it. This aspect of anime otaku culture actually mirrors the rise of idol otaku culture, which is also about creating fantasy girls/women for otaku to project desires onto. However, I think part of it that doesn't get acknowledged is that while tons of anime have historically been made for kids/young teens, they still ended up appealing to adults. As the adult otaku demographic has solidified, sexual content featuring underaged characters seemingly has become more of a solid trend as well, as creators try to appeal directly to this audience (Shinbo basically says flat out that this is what they do at Shaft: they unabashedly pander to Otaku a much as they can). I think the problem arises when this becomes rather mainstream (within anime), which is where we're at now basically. Sexual content can be subversive in art when it's a rarity amid a socially conservative climate, but that's really not how it is. It's kind of annoying for some of the most stylistically interesting anime to be filled with content that is off putting to anyone who isn't ok with lolicon or interested in male fantasy shit. Lolicon/underaged sexualization is not really "anti-normie," it's common as fuck in anime. If you want to watch something because it's anti-normie why not look into some shonen ai anime or something. Also, a lot of anime fans seem to be in denial that sexualization even exists in anime... "she's not being sexualized, she just looks/acts like that. what's wrong with that?" is something I hear all of the time when a female characters boobs and pantsu are literally getting thrust into the camera incessantly and she's getting put into sexually compromising situations for the sake of a lame joke every other minute. Those are not choices a character is making, it's something the show does with the character. Yeah it's true that some women are hot/promiscuous/whatever in real life and they should sometimes be represented in art that way, but there's a clear difference between creating a real female character who happens to be like that and creating a character who only exists for the show to make use of her body to appeal to male viewers. Again, it's not an inherently terrible thing, but it becomes problematic when this is the prominent depiction. Once again how is it common as fuck? Looking at mainstream anime Kimestu no Yaiba, My Hero Academia, Attack on Titan, Mob Psycho 100, Kaguya Sama Love is War, Haikyuu, Vinland Saga, Food Wars, Violet Evergarden, Dr Stone, The Promised Neverland Food Wars? Or even less mainstream well rated stuff like March Comes in Like a Lion, Yuru Camp, Showa Rakugo, Hands off Motion Pictures Club? The only big one I can think of is Re Zero that has plenty of popular loli characters and they aren't that overtly sexualized from what I remember maybe outside of Sloth's outfit in S2. You also had Shield Hero last year which sure had a bit. It really isn't common when taking into account all that gets made and specifically what is popular or big. Made in Abyss is the only actually super popular anime that has actually iffy loli/shota stuff. So when you say it's common it's not. As for Monogatari can't rule on that because I haven't seen it. That said saying that it has become more common is just wrong. This goes back quite aways. I remember MSG ZZ where Puru Two was explicitly a loli character made to appeal to older guys. Her name literally is stripped from a lolicon magazine. Sexual content used to be more explicit in actually showing nudity which you won't see in most SFW anime. The amount of ecchi is a lot less from where it was a decade ago and due to anime still being mostly made to air on TV you have more restrictions than say an 80's OVA. In general I would agree SFW anime doesn't do sexual content well. In large it tends to be more annoying than anything where H-manga tends to be better. Way too often it's just bad slapstick and for me if I want sexual content it's intimacy and in a plot the fact you can progress the relationship of the characters which so many anime avoid doing. That said that again has nothing to do with the topic in question. Plus again even though sure it's nice to see content that does have a dive into relationships there isn't anything wrong with using an object like an object. In something blatantly fetishitic like say Reviewers I don't need a massive dive into the female character that is being oogled. Sure it can be a good add but it's unnecessary and trying to make this a constant moral issue becomes incredibly self righteous to me. I don't have an issue with women only liking male characters for their body I very much understand. It's a drawing and people have the right to project whatever they want on it. It's not something with human emotions or psychology it's a piece of paper. It's not denial it's this isn't a massive moral problem because it isn't and the fact it is easy to avoid if you don't want it which it is. I didn't see people acting like Food Wars, Darling in the Frankxx don't have rapid sexualization or that many battle shonen like Fire Force or MHA have fanservice. The issue is making a moral issue out of it where the artist or fanbase is guilty of a crime. Going down this road just leads to calls for censorship and an incredibly toxic environment of needless purity that artists are constantly put under the microscope for. |
BilboBaggins365Nov 3, 2020 10:39 AM
Nov 3, 2020 10:40 AM
#26
TolkienFan365 said: DomineLkira said: TolkienFan365 said: They don't..... they are all drawings with most have no discernible age from adults to teens etc. Plus even if you want to go further for that like talking about say hentai or sexualized stuff it can be a kink to do RP something that is incredibly amoral main reason the teacher school girl fantasy is common or why people are into age play. In large though most idiots who whine about how sexualized anime is ignore that really comes down to them. It's pretty easy in large to avoid a lot of this if you really want to. It's also incredibly stupid to say well I wanted to recommend this show that I really like but it has x in it yeah well then that's what the show's content entails. Plenty of shows I like I wouldn't recommend to people who hate gore, dark themes or other stuff people may deem problematic. The thing is that gore dark themes etc have a huge fanbase. Almost every hugely popular show has these themes in it. Whereas this loli bullshit is only enjoyed by people who are lolicons or pedophiles. (seriously even the fact that I am separating the two is being generous). And yeah, this fanservice is very easy to ignore and I do ignore it almost every time, except when a series as good as monogatari comes in and I just have to watch it. And gore , dark themes and even sex scenes can be important to a show like Game of Thrones for example, whereas series like monogatari can replace these lolicon bs with some other shit and the core themes of the series will remain unchanged. In other words it is useless to the story. Useless shit added just because it sells in the Japanese market. The fact I cant recommend this series to any of my friends and talk and discuss it with them because of this lolicon BS is just sad. Basically I have problem with loli content in actually good shows. Otherwise I couldn't give less fuck Yeah I fail to see again how that counteracts my point. Just because it's niche doesn't mean that it doesn't have the right to exist. Slow episodic atmosphere shows like Mushishi don't have a wide appeal no matter how much I think it's an amazing series. Not everything needs to be safe or made that so most people can enjoy it. Secondly loli art basically has the same appeal as a lot of petite porn stars which pedophiles also have been caught with. That's why you have plenty of small adult cosplayers who like to market themselves as legal lolis or shotas. When you group it like that you basically are implying that there is an easy direct link which there isn't. Psychologists like Saitō Tamaki basically agree on that point. There is no point of demonstrable harm or possibility for exploitation nor an innate pipeline to being a child sex abuser. That's why I will defend some loli getting railed but also feel Cuties is incredibly inappropriate. Finally I mean you bring up GOT a series that had a 13 year old raped by a much older guy in the books and HBO decided to romanticize that relationship in the show. Monogatari is for a niche audience that was what the creator desired and it's that simple. Fact is people whine about this but in large the actual amount of loli fanservice within anime that isn't hentai is tiny. Plus fanservice itself I actually wouldn't agree is always easy to ignore and can be quite bad (due to how it's used) I am saying that if you really want to avoid shows with sexual content it's not hard. I realize I am starting to get in the "is loli bad or not?" discussion. I dont want that. My entire rant was based on how I cant recommend good shows to people due to unnecessary loli scenes. If I sit down and tell people in real life that how this fictional kid getting molested isnt actually a bad thing they will call police on me lmao. It just sucks to not being able to discuss this masterpiece with my friends just because of this. |
DomineLkiraNov 3, 2020 10:47 AM
Nov 3, 2020 10:46 AM
#27
TolkienFan365 said: It's not denial it's this isn't a massive moral problem because it isn't and the fact it is easy to avoid if you don't want it which it is. I didn't see people acting like Food Wars, Darling in the Frankxx don't have rapid sexualization or that many battle shonen like Fire Force or MHA have fanservice. The issue is making a moral issue out of it rather than either enjoying it, critiquing the use itself or avoiding it. Going down this road just leads to calls for censorship and an incredibly toxic environment of needless purity that artists are constantly put under the microscope for. well the "moral problem" to me isn't whether it's ok to show sexual content or not, which I emphasized a few times. |
Nov 3, 2020 10:48 AM
#28
DomineLkira said: TolkienFan365 said: DomineLkira said: TolkienFan365 said: They don't..... they are all drawings with most have no discernible age from adults to teens etc. Plus even if you want to go further for that like talking about say hentai or sexualized stuff it can be a kink to do RP something that is incredibly amoral main reason the teacher school girl fantasy is common or why people are into age play. In large though most idiots who whine about how sexualized anime is ignore that really comes down to them. It's pretty easy in large to avoid a lot of this if you really want to. It's also incredibly stupid to say well I wanted to recommend this show that I really like but it has x in it yeah well then that's what the show's content entails. Plenty of shows I like I wouldn't recommend to people who hate gore, dark themes or other stuff people may deem problematic. The thing is that gore dark themes etc have a huge fanbase. Almost every hugely popular show has these themes in it. Whereas this loli bullshit is only enjoyed by people who are lolicons or pedophiles. (seriously even the fact that I am separating the two is being generous). And yeah, this fanservice is very easy to ignore and I do ignore it almost every time, except when a series as good as monogatari comes in and I just have to watch it. And gore , dark themes and even sex scenes can be important to a show like Game of Thrones for example, whereas series like monogatari can replace these lolicon bs with some other shit and the core themes of the series will remain unchanged. In other words it is useless to the story. Useless shit added just because it sells in the Japanese market. The fact I cant recommend this series to any of my friends and talk and discuss it with them because of this lolicon BS is just sad. Yeah I fail to see again how that counteracts my point. Just because it's niche doesn't mean that it doesn't have the right to exist. Slow episodic atmosphere shows like Mushishi don't have a wide appeal no matter how much I think it's an amazing series. Not everything needs to be safe or made that so most people can enjoy it. Secondly loli art basically has the same appeal as a lot of petite porn stars which pedophiles also have been caught with. That's why you have plenty of small adult cosplayers who like to market themselves as legal lolis or shotas. When you group it like that you basically are implying that there is an easy direct link which there isn't. Psychologists like Saitō Tamaki basically agree on that point. There is no point of demonstrable harm or possibility for exploitation nor an innate pipeline to being a child sex abuser. That's why I will defend some loli getting railed but also feel Cuties is incredibly inappropriate. Finally I mean you bring up GOT a series that had a 13 year old raped by a much older guy in the books and HBO decided to romanticize that relationship in the show. Monogatari is for a niche audience that was what the creator desired and it's that simple. Fact is people whine about this but in large the actual amount of loli fanservice within anime that isn't hentai is tiny. Plus fanservice itself I actually wouldn't agree is always easy to ignore and can be quite bad (due to how it's used) I am saying that if you really want to avoid shows with sexual content it's not hard. I realize I am starting to get in the "is loli bad or not?" discussion. I dont want that. My entire rant was based on how I cant recommend good shows to people due to unnecessary loli scenes. If I sit down and tell people in real life that how this fictional kid getting molested isnt actually a bad thing they will call police on me lmao. It just sucks to not being able to discuss this masterpiece with my friends just because of this. I mean the OP is obviously asking that. Though again I continue to counter that I know people that would be upset with any sexual content in their shows. You know how many Western TV shows get disqualified off that? Or people that think I am degenerate for even considering watching anything part of popular culture? Like Rome is an awesome show and I remembering wishing to show my parents it. That said all the sex scenes and literal talks of beastality in other probably is why I never would show them it. Some stuff you can't show everyone. Your friends are your friends but personally sure I will say that even IRL I wouldn't back down on the issue if someone wants to accuse an anime of that. That said again yeah I am not going to recommend MiA without a disclaimer but it's not like MiA is the only amazing supernatural/fantasy world building show out there (Mushishi is pretty tame). So it just goes down to accepting that you want that series to be different than it is. |
Nov 3, 2020 10:50 AM
#29
Why do people only mention lolis like it's the only bad thing? 80% of manga are about minors but since they are 16-17 hentai artists say "nah they 18 bro" and suddenly people start caring. For that kind of hyprocrisy is that I hate this whole theme. Personally, I don't like lolis because I don't like their designs, attitude, cliches or shows (moe is a waste of time) but in reality I don't give a flying fuck if someone faps to them. Not my live, not my issue, not my concern. |
Nov 3, 2020 10:53 AM
#30
Why not?? Seeing ecchi scenes with 10 year old girls is literally the only reason I live |
Nov 3, 2020 10:53 AM
#31
shrapn3l said: TolkienFan365 said: It's not denial it's this isn't a massive moral problem because it isn't and the fact it is easy to avoid if you don't want it which it is. I didn't see people acting like Food Wars, Darling in the Frankxx don't have rapid sexualization or that many battle shonen like Fire Force or MHA have fanservice. The issue is making a moral issue out of it rather than either enjoying it, critiquing the use itself or avoiding it. Going down this road just leads to calls for censorship and an incredibly toxic environment of needless purity that artists are constantly put under the microscope for. well the "moral problem" to me isn't whether it's ok to show sexual content or not, which I emphasized a few times. shrapn3l said: Yeah it's true that some women are hot/promiscuous/whatever in real life and they should sometimes be represented in art that way, but there's a clear difference between creating a real female character who happens to be like that and creating a character who only exists for the show to make use of her body to appeal to male viewers. Again, it's not an inherently terrible thing, but it becomes problematic when this is the prominent depiction." The last comment does imply that if artists in large have a moral obligation by you saying it's problematic not just bad writing. Pantsu upskirts is just bad comedy I don't think the artist is a sexual abuser though or encouraging it. Real is subjective granted I get what you are saying but I hate when people use that saying since it's incredibly subjective/annecodotal but I get it you mean that a girl isn't going to just you hit you for spying on them in the hot springs but charge you with criminal charges. I am just saying an artist has no obligation to wider society for his work nor should he be morally shamed or critiqued for it unless there is actual abuse in the process of making the work. Most of my comment was just related to point out it isn't that common which it isn't. You kinda ignored a good portion of my comment which wasn't focused on the morality but that isn't common and that it has always been around. I get you aren't harping on the "objectification" angle that much. I just did take issue with that last statement which if I too it wrong fine I will drop that point of my statement. |
BilboBaggins365Nov 3, 2020 10:58 AM
Nov 3, 2020 11:00 AM
#32
>says anime sexualizes children >has Hunter x hunter in favs. Suspect. |
Nov 3, 2020 11:01 AM
#33
because lolita complex. why this is not so common in the western animation world? well, japan has a different dealing with sex in general, as europe and specially america. so they allow far more liberties with such things as the usa for example. of course not every japanese person has a lolita complex. but cute, innocent girls arouse some protective instinct and the purity of those lolis attracted many people, and it's not always a sexual meaning or context behind this. in thousand of animes the loli character is just minimal sexualize. or even at all. Hentai of course s a different case. |
animu007Nov 3, 2020 11:06 AM
Nov 3, 2020 11:01 AM
#34
How does Hunter x Hunter sexualize children??? |
Nov 3, 2020 11:02 AM
#35
Hisoka lusts for gon's and killua's asses |
Nov 3, 2020 11:03 AM
#36
PoeticJustice said: Hisoka lusts for gon's and killua's asses Yeah but there're not sexualized, and everyone knows Hisoka's a pedo |
Nov 3, 2020 11:04 AM
#37
never seen what you're talking bout in anime. give me some examples |
Nov 3, 2020 11:05 AM
#38
If you don't know what I'm referring to you haven't watched enough Animu |
Nov 3, 2020 11:07 AM
#39
I mean unless your MAL isn't updated you haven't either. |
Nov 3, 2020 11:08 AM
#40
Age of consent is 13. It will be a bit normalized in japan to sexualize people those ages. |
Nov 3, 2020 11:09 AM
#41
AwokenStroken said: PoeticJustice said: Hisoka lusts for gon's and killua's asses Yeah but there're not sexualized, and everyone knows Hisoka's a pedo That is pretty sexual if you ask me. |
Nov 3, 2020 11:11 AM
#42
TolkienFan365 said: I mean unless your MAL isn't updated you haven't either. To think I haven't seen that many Animu and I've still noticed before you Ex: My Hero Academia, Bleach, Sword Art Online Perhaps you didn't realize they were kids, they certainly aren't drawn like they are. |
Nov 3, 2020 11:13 AM
#43
i've watched more than you. approximately double |
Nov 3, 2020 11:13 AM
#44
AwokenStroken said: TolkienFan365 said: I mean unless your MAL isn't updated you haven't either. To think I haven't seen that many Animu and I've still noticed before you Ex: My Hero Academia, Bleach, Sword Art Online Perhaps you didn't realize they were kids, they certainly aren't drawn like they are. sorry but this. AwokenStroken said: PoeticJustice said: Hisoka lusts for gon's and killua's asses Yeah but there're not sexualized, and everyone knows Hisoka's a pedo and this. this is kinda hypocritical, sorry but. huh? |
Nov 3, 2020 11:14 AM
#45
Because it is the right thing to do and it cannot be forbidden to us. |
Nov 3, 2020 11:15 AM
#46
AwokenStroken said: TolkienFan365 said: I mean unless your MAL isn't updated you haven't either. To think I haven't seen that many Animu and I've still noticed before you Ex: My Hero Academia, Bleach, Sword Art Online Perhaps you didn't realize they were kids, they certainly aren't drawn like they are. Do you know what demographic all these series aim to? Teenagers. So the sexualised teenagers in these anime is to attract the demographic. Dayum and I thought you were talking about lolis. I went on a rant for no reason lmao. |
Nov 3, 2020 11:15 AM
#47
animu007 said: AwokenStroken said: TolkienFan365 said: I mean unless your MAL isn't updated you haven't either. To think I haven't seen that many Animu and I've still noticed before you Ex: My Hero Academia, Bleach, Sword Art Online Perhaps you didn't realize they were kids, they certainly aren't drawn like they are. sorry but this. AwokenStroken said: PoeticJustice said: Hisoka lusts for gon's and killua's asses Yeah but there're not sexualized, and everyone knows Hisoka's a pedo and this. this is kinda hypocritical, sorry but. huh? They aren't sexualized in Hunter x Hunter wym |
Nov 3, 2020 11:17 AM
#48
DomineLkira said: AwokenStroken said: TolkienFan365 said: I mean unless your MAL isn't updated you haven't either. To think I haven't seen that many Animu and I've still noticed before you Ex: My Hero Academia, Bleach, Sword Art Online Perhaps you didn't realize they were kids, they certainly aren't drawn like they are. Do you know what demographic all these series aim to? Teenagers. So the sexualised teenagers in these anime is to attract the demographic. Dayum and I thought you were talking about lolis. I went on a rant for no reason lmao. My Hero Academia and Sword Art Online have actual loli's in it (especially Sword Art Online) |
Nov 3, 2020 11:18 AM
#49
AwokenStroken said: To think I haven't seen that many Animu and I've still noticed before you Ex: My Hero Academia, Bleach, Sword Art Online Perhaps you didn't realize they were kids, they certainly aren't drawn like they are. MY hero academia cuz of this bitch.she isn't a kid.look at her boobies |
Nov 3, 2020 11:19 AM
#50
AwokenStroken said: DomineLkira said: AwokenStroken said: TolkienFan365 said: I mean unless your MAL isn't updated you haven't either. To think I haven't seen that many Animu and I've still noticed before you Ex: My Hero Academia, Bleach, Sword Art Online Perhaps you didn't realize they were kids, they certainly aren't drawn like they are. Do you know what demographic all these series aim to? Teenagers. So the sexualised teenagers in these anime is to attract the demographic. Dayum and I thought you were talking about lolis. I went on a rant for no reason lmao. My Hero Academia and Sword Art Online have actual loli's in it (especially Sword Art Online) Hero aca has only one loli character and she is not sexualised. Dunno about SAO |
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