| So lately I've been getting annoyed at tsunderes from the recent anime I watched (High Score Girl, Katanagatari). Akira Ono of High Score Girl is so violent that the guy actually bled and stuff. I'm guessing that this side of her is supposed to be cute (because she is normally quiet and dignified), but I can't see anything other than that she's excessively violent. Togame of Katanagatari often punches and kick her guy too and it's also just supposed to be cute, as she's actually just weak. The question is, why are there so many violent women in anime/manga? Do you think that most Japanese men are just really masochistic? I'm a big fan of moe gaps myself but it has been bothering me why so many of -dere characters are violent lol. Disclaimer: I do love tsundere characters. I'm not sure if my tastes are changing recently or those two characters I mentioned just have bad writing. |
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| I wonder in Japan if they're asking why there are so many Karens and soccer moms in America. |
| The target audience are Japanese otaku, which is a very particular group of Japanese men. Not at all representative. Trying to infer what Japanese men in general are like based on what otakus appear to be like, really won't work. |
| *lampoons inwardly* |
SansWobbles said: I wonder in Japan if they're asking why there are so many Karens and soccer moms in America. I'd say when women are given relatively more agency (or more authentic agency if you will), you'll see them being more proactive in a wide variety of things, which, among many positive stuff, can manifest in soccer mom or Karen behaviour. Though of course it is an overwhelmingly positive outcome. |
AuronJun 11, 2020 9:12 AM
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| imagine getting paid by a japanese dude to kick him in the face |
Sora_Naegino said: imagine getting paid by a japanese dude to kick him in the face Considering there's services in Japan where you can pay for a girl to talk with you & hug you, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a service to be kicked in the balls too. |
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| it is just animes, man doesnt mean they like it in real life. also it doesnt represent all japanese men |
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| I don't think the appeal of tsundere is all down to masochism since a lot of it could just be girls that are hard to get. |
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traed said: I don't think the appeal of tsundere is all down to masochism since a lot of it could just be girls that are hard to get. Tsunderes are not hard to get, they are just being extremely obvious about their feelings and the characters too stupid to notice them. About the main question: another stupid anime trope which does not reflect anything about reality. |
Meusnier said: traed said: I don't think the appeal of tsundere is all down to masochism since a lot of it could just be girls that are hard to get. Tsunderes are not hard to get, they are just being extremely obvious about their feelings and the characters too stupid to notice them. About the main question: another stupid anime trope which does not reflect anything about reality. I would argue there are subtyles to the deres. I am talking one subtype of tsundere |
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traed said: Meusnier said: Tsunderes are not hard to get, they are just being extremely obvious about their feelings and the characters too stupid to notice them. About the main question: another stupid anime trope which does not reflect anything about reality. I would argue there are subtyles to the deres. I am talking one subtype of tsundere What kind of examples of such "hard to get" tsunderes do you have in mind? I have the impression that the huge majority does not follow this pattern (if I may say so). |
Meusnier said: What kind of examples of such "hard to get" tsunderes do you have in mind? I have the impression that the huge majority does not follow this pattern (if I may say so). I am too busy to think of specific examples. It clearly wouldn't be easy to get with someone who is always pushing you away. Hard to get doesn't always imply someone is totally emotionally shut off but rather that they have their gaurds up and in case of a tsundere the gaurd is more aggressive rather than passive cautiousness. Basically wanting to fight off their own feelings from not wanting to feel vulnerable. |
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| HAHA yup, when it comes down to it, I guess it's just a matter of target audience. I didn't mean to generalize Japanese men of course, I'm sorry if that's how I sounded like. There's nothing to gain from overstereotyping after all. It's true that there are S&M services in Japan though. I do wonder what the gender-based statistics of BDSM practitioners there, but of course that's for another topic. |
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| Nah, I don't think I've seen them wearing spiked dog collars with a gag on their mouth and their butts all spanked up red and bleeding in public. |
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| I think that a lot of anime fans in general are masochistic, just look at the amount of girls who like bad boys push into the other's personal space and behave forcefully those always tend to be the most popular character in their respective series, fujoshis just love their gay rapists, plenty of boys who'd love anime girls that would step all over them. It's not just the Japanese. |
| I mean Ive seen alot of japanese porn and yeah there are alot of masochistic men but idk about normal guys....people who do porn aren't exactly normal so it doesn't mean anything |
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| I think what we really need to hone in on here is that Asians have a history of being badass at Kung Fu and even if they're small can fucking spin kick your face biatch. |
| I CELEBRATE myself, And what I assume you shall assume, For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. |
| yall ever go on Japanese porn sites?? those men are harsh and violent. heck no. |
| Not masochistic, but would rather avoid confrontation and say something like, "it can't be helped" to themselves than fight back. That being said domestic violence towards women in Japan is fairly common, and the same goes for power harassment at the workplace or even at schools. In other words, the Japanese society has very toxic power dynamics and a culture of oppression. Most people may appear as submissive cowards but make no mistake that they are just as cruel towards those below them and treat them in the exact same way those above them treat them. The easiest way to escape that is just be a rude baka gaijin with no honor who looks intimidating enough and doesn't give much fuck about the hierarchy and societal norms. Do not bother trying to speak in sonkeigo and kenjougo, never refer to yourself as "watakushi" or say lame stuff like "wakarimashita." Frankly, not bothering with Japanese at all and just speaking in English will probably earn you far more respect and much better treatment. Also, when you are expected to bow, just nod. You are basically breaking norms that everyone here wants to see broken anyway since most people are already sick of the status quo. |
xMizu_ said: Kung Fu is chinese tho.I think what we really need to hone in on here is that Asians have a history of being badass at Kung Fu and even if they're small can fucking spin kick your face biatch. Yeah japanese martial arts are heavily influenced by chinese ones, but they are far from the same. 149597871 said: Being unrespectful toward a country's social norms is not badass nor it make you earn people respect. In Japan in particular it's the exact opposite.Not masochistic, but would rather avoid confrontation and say something like, "it can't be helped" to themselves than fight back. That being said domestic violence towards women in Japan is fairly common, and the same goes for power harassment at the workplace or even at schools. In other words, the Japanese society has very toxic power dynamics and a culture of oppression. Most people may appear as submissive cowards but make no mistake that they are just as cruel towards those below them and treat them in the exact same way those above them treat them. The easiest way to escape that is just be a rude baka gaijin with no honor who looks intimidating enough and doesn't give much fuck about the hierarchy and societal norms. Do not bother trying to speak in sonkeigo and kenjougo, never refer to yourself as "watakushi" or say lame stuff like "wakarimashita." Frankly, not bothering with Japanese at all and just speaking in English will probably earn you far more respect and much better treatment. Also, when you are expected to bow, just nod. You are basically breaking norms that everyone here wants to see broken anyway since most people are already sick of the status quo. If you are in a foreign country, you have to respect their way of living, either you like it or not. If you don't want to, you'll soon return home, by your will or by force, trust me. |
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Pitto_ said: 149597871 said: Being unrespectful toward a country's social norms is not badass nor it make you earn people respect. In Japan in particular it's the exact opposite.Not masochistic, but would rather avoid confrontation and say something like, "it can't be helped" to themselves than fight back. That being said domestic violence towards women in Japan is fairly common, and the same goes for power harassment at the workplace or even at schools. In other words, the Japanese society has very toxic power dynamics and a culture of oppression. Most people may appear as submissive cowards but make no mistake that they are just as cruel towards those below them and treat them in the exact same way those above them treat them. The easiest way to escape that is just be a rude baka gaijin with no honor who looks intimidating enough and doesn't give much fuck about the hierarchy and societal norms. Do not bother trying to speak in sonkeigo and kenjougo, never refer to yourself as "watakushi" or say lame stuff like "wakarimashita." Frankly, not bothering with Japanese at all and just speaking in English will probably earn you far more respect and much better treatment. Also, when you are expected to bow, just nod. You are basically breaking norms that everyone here wants to see broken anyway since most people are already sick of the status quo. If you are in a foreign country, you have to respect their way of living, either you like it or not. If you don't want to, you'll soon return home, by your will or by force, trust me. I love this "trust me" part at the end of your last sentence. You must have a lot of experience living here... or... in general. I would only respect norms that are humane and worth respecting. Many elements of the Japanese culture are great and I will always admire, but there are also many aspects that need to go and I believe I have lived long enough here to be allowed to have an opinion on this matter. Also, nobody will deport you for not following unwritten laws or for disagreeing with social norms. Diversity of thought should always be encouraged; otherwise, the country might as well return to the backwardness of the Edo period. |
149597871 said: I was not talking only about Japan, that's why I added that "Trust me" part.Pitto_ said: Being unrespectful toward a country's social norms is not badass nor it make you earn people respect. In Japan in particular it's the exact opposite. If you are in a foreign country, you have to respect their way of living, either you like it or not. If you don't want to, you'll soon return home, by your will or by force, trust me. I love this "trust me" part at the end of your last sentence. You must have a lot of experience living here... or... in general. I would only respect norms that are humane and worth respecting. Many elements of the Japanese culture are great and I will always admire, but there are also many aspects that need to go and I believe I have lived long enough here to be allowed to have an opinion on this matter. Also, nobody will deport you for not following unwritten laws or for disagreeing with social norms. Diversity of thought should always be encouraged; otherwise, the country might as well return to the backwardness of the Edo period. Many immigrants or visitors here in my country who do not respect our norms are treated like shit. And the same happens when one person of my country goes to another one and doesn't respect their norms (and this happens often since italian people are some of the most uneducated people in the world). I also happen to study asian culture in university and I have many professors who went there and even japanese teachers, and they all say the same things I told you. They are the ones who teached me that and, to be fair, I believe more my japanese teachers' view on their land than yours, whenever you live, since you are not clearly a native japanese. Despite this, I genuinely respect your point on how most of their social norms and beliefs should change, but it is not really something you or I should decide. If you eventually settle there forever and have a family (or maybe you already have one), then maybe the next generations of your family could decide to act in order to change that country, but as for you, I believe that shouldn't be the case. If you don't like how they act, well, you decided to live there, you weren't obliged to go there. |
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| @Pitto_ Maybe, I'm not familiar with Italian culture or the norms in question. Japan is in a weird position since it relies way too heavily on things like international trade/relations, tourism, and foreign labor to be able to afford chasing out or mistreating foreigners because of something as silly as them not following some of its most cruel and infamous social norms. We might not be obligated to go there, but Japan also isn't obligated to try to maintain its position among the richest countries in the world. However, since that's the path its leadership appears to have taken, minor cultural clashes are bound to happen, and the same goes for any other country that hasn't embraced the Juche ideology. That being said, one shouldn't just be an obnoxious douchebag for no reason. As I said, only break the things that people want to see broken, like the culture of harassment. Don't do what Logan Paul did - that's way too baka gaijin. |
149597871 said: Maybe I'm against your position because I was raised with the idea of never misrespecting another country's norms, even the most stupid ones, because people here hate those who disrespect our culture.@Pitto_ Maybe, I'm not familiar with Italian culture or the norms in question. Japan is in a weird position since it relies way too heavily on things like international trade/relations, tourism, and foreign labor to be able to afford chasing out or mistreating foreigners because of something as silly as them not following some of its most cruel and infamous social norms. We might not be obligated to go there, but Japan also isn't obligated to try to maintain its position among the richest countries in the world. However, since that's the path its leadership appears to have taken, minor cultural clashes are bound to happen, and the same goes for any other country that hasn't embraced the Juche ideology. That being said, one shouldn't just be an obnoxious douchebag for no reason. As I said, only break the things that people want to see broken, like the culture of harassment. Don't do what Logan Paul did - that's way too baka gaijin. I don't think being one of the most richest countries in the world has anything to do with being open to the rest of the world, even more when Japan is known for being socially closed (but that is obviously changing over the year bc of globalization not only for Japan, but for every country who has that mindset), that's just a matter of trying to have a good economy for their population sake. You can't really live without trading with the rest of the globe nowadays, even Japan had to do it - willingly or not. That said, despite our clash of views, I can see your point. It's probably just a matter of how open-minded one is, so I can't really say your pov is bad - despite my initial harsh responde, my bad. |
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| When I watched original Naruto back in the days. Sakura Haruno did not look all that unusual to me. I thought there are plenty of girls like her IRL. In Russia that was so I would say. In contrast Hyuga Hinata did impressed me with never before seen, timidness and cuteness. Later I have seem some IRL girls that are like her and they were Asian. So I would say Japanese men have a preference for quiet timid and obedeint girls compare to something like Russia average. However, it can be relative too and Japan could have taste for less timid girls, compare to some other places. |
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