No you found a Lakers fan. I had no horse in the race. I was going for the Sixers until they got knocked out. It's just reality. It would be like Spurs fans hyping up their 99' and 07 titles or GS fans thinking their 2015 title means anything. It's cool. The raptors got their first title. Great for the city. Unfortunately in the history books there will be an asterisk for beating a GS team that consisted of Curry, a past his prime hobbled Demarcus Cousins and some role players. |
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| Klay is nuts , he tore his acl but came back for free throws and was still trying to run on the court lmao Man and I use to think this man was impervious to injuries, and this happens. Was hoping it was a MCL sprain. I think this is the curse of a new stadium. Just like the 49ers Levi Stadium. Nothing good has come out of it lol Be great if this warriors team can come back and win one more ring, but these injuries are a big blow to that |
JFuji said: No you found a Lakers fan. I had no horse in the race. I was going for the Sixers until they got knocked out. It's just reality. It would be like Spurs fans hyping up their 99' and 07 titles or GS fans thinking their 2015 title means anything. It's cool. The raptors got their first title. Great for the city. Unfortunately in the history books there will be an asterisk for beating a GS team that consisted of Curry, a past his prime hobbled Demarcus Cousins and some role players. You being a hater. Your last sentence really shows that. And that was the 73rd Finals. How many of them would people like you put an "asterisk" on? Bill Russell would probably have 12 Championships instead of 11 if he didn't get injured. Maybe GS doesn't even reach The Finals in 2017 if Kawhi doesn't get injured. The Spurs that year had Kawhi going berserk on offense and they had the style and discipline to give GS all they could handle. What about the mid-90's Rockets? (funny how the people who want to put an asterisk on their Titles don't like to mention that Jordan played and lost in 95.) The Raps-GS series showed high-level basketball from both sides and The Warriors had enough to win despite everything and were true competitors. They even had a chance to potentially steal Game 6. This Raptors' run is legit. Anyone who thinks otherwise has a lot of NBA history to go over. |
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| I think if Klay and KD come back strong for the 2020-21 Season and even if t's just Klay that stays with the Warriors, then along with Curry and Draymond at their core then they can certainly put themselves in Championship contention. All of them have a style of game that looks to age well so it's probably all about being healthy and making the right draft moves/trades. They've long established a culture so I think they are far from finished. The talent pool at draft night could potentially increase as well if they get rid of the "one and done" ordeal. The NBA seems increasingly more dynamic. Who knows how it will look at the end of next season. Maybe KD and Klay could be ready in time to play in the Tokyo Olympics. |
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Krul_Lurk said: JFuji said: No you found a Lakers fan. I had no horse in the race. I was going for the Sixers until they got knocked out. It's just reality. It would be like Spurs fans hyping up their 99' and 07 titles or GS fans thinking their 2015 title means anything. It's cool. The raptors got their first title. Great for the city. Unfortunately in the history books there will be an asterisk for beating a GS team that consisted of Curry, a past his prime hobbled Demarcus Cousins and some role players. You being a hater. Your last sentence really shows that. And that was the 73rd Finals. How many of them would people like you put an "asterisk" on? Bill Russell would probably have 12 Championships instead of 11 if he didn't get injured. Maybe GS doesn't even reach The Finals in 2017 if Kawhi doesn't get injured. The Spurs that year had Kawhi going berserk on offense and they had the style and discipline to give GS all they could handle. What about the mid-90's Rockets? (funny how the people who want to put an asterisk on their Titles don't like to mention that Jordan played and lost in 95.) The Raps-GS series showed high-level basketball from both sides and The Warriors had enough to win despite everything and were true competitors. They even had a chance to potentially steal Game 6. This Raptors' run is legit. Anyone who thinks otherwise has a lot of NBA history to go over. Whoever won this finals means nothing to me. I'm not a hater. It's reality. I'd say the same thing about my Lakers title in 02'. You seem to dislike context. You probably think KD can be considered a top 10 player in the history books if he stays in Golden State despite his colluded super team. You think Gary Payton's Miami ring means anything? my last sentence "Unfortunately in the history books there will be an asterisk for beating a GS team that consisted of Curry, a past his prime hobbled Demarcus Cousins and some role players." Let''s take a look at this Golden State lineup that played. KD (Hurt, DNP) Cousins (Hurt) Thompson (Hurt, left game) Looney (Hurt) Iggy (Hurt). Beating a hobbled team doesn't mean as much. Same thing with GS beating a Cavs team that had Mozgov as a second option due to injuries. It seems some people want to just ignore everything because its their first title. |
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| At this point I think people have a poor idea of the concept of an asterisk.It doesn't mean that the title doesn't count or is meaningless. All an asterisk ever points out is that context/additional information is needed when looking at this title. All championships are not equal. If you believe so you are disrespecting historic efforts by people like Wade (06) Dirk (11). Of course this always met with pointing out different scenarios where it wasn't a perfectly clean run every year and such. Anyone with decent knowledge can tell that there are different degrees and there is clearly different levels with each case. We can acknowledge that having a depleted roster ala (19',15) is a much bigger deal than a player being suspended a single game in (16) While in the middle we may look at talent disparity (99',07). On another note: It is widely known that the Celtics have the shiniest collection of assets for a potential Davis deal, but there are questions about how far they would open their treasure chest. One league source said the uncertainty surrounding Davis’s long-term future in Boston has thus far limited the Celtics’ willingness to overwhelm New Orleans with an offer. Feels good man |
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JFuji said: Whoever won this finals means nothing to me. I'm not a hater. It's reality. I'd say the same thing about my Lakers title in 02'. You seem to dislike context. You probably think KD can be considered a top 10 player in the history books if he stays in Golden State despite his colluded super team. You think Gary Payton's Miami ring means anything? I clearly have a grasp on context considering I added some myself. JFuji said: my last sentence "Unfortunately in the history books there will be an asterisk for beating a GS team that consisted of Curry, a past his prime hobbled Demarcus Cousins and some role players." Let''s take a look at this Golden State lineup that played. KD (Hurt, DNP) Cousins (Hurt) Thompson (Hurt, left game) Looney (Hurt) Iggy (Hurt). Beating a hobbled team doesn't mean as much. Same thing with GS beating a Cavs team that had Mozgov as a second option due to injuries. It seems some people want to just ignore everything because its their first title. Both Iggy and Looney did their part, still . As did Klay for as long as he played. And plenty of players are banged up by this point. Some injuries are more talked about then others, that's all. And Green and Iggy certainly deserve better than "some role players". Maybe that read in a tone that you didn't intend, but I doubt that. I'm not ignoring anything and I am very well aware that GS most likely would of won with both KD and Klay. But all things considered, I don't think it's fair to discount this Finals. Which is what is normally implied when someone uses "asterisk". Your next post actually addressed that: JFuji said: At this point I think people have a poor idea of the concept of an asterisk.It doesn't mean that the title doesn't count or is meaningless. All an asterisk ever points out is that context/additional information is needed when looking at this title. All championships are not equal. If you believe so you are disrespecting historic efforts by people like Wade (06) Dirk (11). Of course this always met with pointing out different scenarios where it wasn't a perfectly clean run every year and such. Anyone with decent knowledge can tell that there are different degrees and there is clearly different levels with each case. We can acknowledge that having a depleted roster ala (19',15) is a much bigger deal than a player being suspended a single game in (16) While in the middle we may look at talent disparity (99',07). I think there was enough to respect this run is what I'm saying. The Warriors' competitive spirit being one of the main reasons for that. And the only way the history books can approach this Title run fairly is if the same level of scrutiny is applied to all the other Title runs. You seem consistent, at least, so, agree to disagree. Do you have any thoughts on the Mid-90's Rockets? Just wondering. And, yea, this summer is going to be crazy. With all those big time U/FA and KD and Klay being injured and probably out for next season, I'm sure the optimism for a Title run is through the roof for almost every team in the NBA lol.. I think Davis is more likely to stay in NO now, actually. Butler would be great on that team. |
Krul_LurkJun 14, 2019 9:13 PM
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JFuji said: Given that definition, it seems that every title ever earned in any sport is an "asterisk". I have a pro-Toronto bias in this specific case, but generally the concept of an "asterisk" seems silly and unnecessary. I've never heard of it with respect to any other sport.All an asterisk ever points out is that context/additional information is needed when looking at this title. |
JoshJun 14, 2019 8:18 PM
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
JFuji said: No you found a Lakers fan. I had no horse in the race. I was going for the Sixers until they got knocked out. It's just reality. It would be like Spurs fans hyping up their 99' and 07 titles or GS fans thinking their 2015 title means anything. It's cool. The raptors got their first title. Great for the city. Unfortunately in the history books there will be an asterisk for beating a GS team that consisted of Curry, a past his prime hobbled Demarcus Cousins and some role players. Dude, no. Ok, so I know a thing or two about NBA history... First of all when talking about “asterisk” usually it’s because something significant or different happened which is cause for a connotation. >1999 Spurs...yes, there is an Asterisk, on the regular season! The actual playoffs were played in FULL, they still had to win 4 playoff series. >2007 Spurs....uh, what exactly is the asterisk here? That they went up against a less superior team then themselves? That the Mavs, who were the #1 seed with 67 wins CHOKED in the first round? That Jordan retired? None of that is their fault...they did their job which was to win 4 playoff series. The notion of putting asterisks on Championship runs is a way for other people to diminish the accomplishment said team had. And truth be told, you could put an asterisk on almost ANYTHING! >Boston Celtics Dynasty...well, they played basketball in an era were there were ONLY 8 to 12 teams in the entire league! Compare that to the 30 teams we have now! People could easily say “oh winning a title back then was super easy when you’re only competing against a very small amount of teams”. >Los Angeles Lakes 2000s Dynasty....do we even have to talk about Sacramento and how they were robbed? >There have been a variety of teams that have had Championship runs where the opposing team had a key player injury...the list would be too long if I started to name it all. Soooo...that’s why we don’t ACTUALLY put asterisks on Championship teams...because every run is different, with various factors and yeah interesting things that happened, but at the end of the day one team still has to put in the work to win all those games. Unless cheating that can demonstrably be proven is found out...I think everything stays the way it should. |
| I want to see what happens this summer before I can really talk about predictions. The Raptors could very well repeat, actually. The Team they have now seems like the closest thing to any certainty at this point. I would of picked The Raptors over both The Rockets and The Trailblazers this year. |
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deg said: next year since the Warriors wil not make it to the finals im expecting either the Rockets or the Trailblazers to win it all Waaay to early to say anything. There are so many big free agents this summer and until that’s resolved, then we can have a clearer picture. >KD and Klay...they’re BOTH free agents, they’re both injured with injuries that will require significant time to come back. I fully expect Klay to sign with Golden St. again...however KD is a huge mystery. >Kawhi....dude is on top of the Basketball world right now, I thought the ONLY way he comes back to Toronto was if they won, and that’s exactly what happened...BUT, I’m still hearing how he’s probably gonna leave, which would be a big blow to Toronto. >Kyrie...yeah, he’s definitely leaving imo, either the Knicks or Nets, but he is gone IMO. >Kemba Walker....supposedly wants to stay at Charlotte which I find either to be a huge lie or dude is delusional! >AD...so the Lakers are hell bent in trading for AD, but it’ll be up to the Pelicans how they want to handle that mess! So yeah, there’s just too many pieces right now...it’s gonna be an EXCITING summer for sure! |
Josh said: JFuji said: Given that definition, it seems that every title ever earned in any sport is an "asterisk". I have a pro-Toronto bias in this specific case, but generally the concept of an "asterisk" seems silly and unnecessary. I've never heard of it with respect to any other sport.All an asterisk ever points out is that context/additional information is needed when looking at this title. It happens in other sports as well. People saying that Gretzky's records in NHL should have an asterisk because he played in an era where goalies are horrible and the defense was horrible. It's a pretty stupid concept. Not even joking. |
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| LMAO i bet the same people who say this championship doesn't deserve an asterisk are the same people downplaying warriors championship with Cavs injuries. BuT tHe WaRriOrS sTiLl HaVe So MaNy AlL sTaRs probably use the same comment even if curry broke his ankles at the end let's be real Cousins is not healthy at all, Andre is a former all star and literally pushing his hairline to the limits bc his age is catching up to him (not to say Andre didn't play like a stud bc he did to try to fill in the void), draymond is an all star role player / defensive player. For a top heavy team, the warriors ain't winning shit without at least an elite scorer in thompson or durant to complement curry. And even if Curry clutched it at the end, there was no way he was going to win a game 7 in toronto without Klay. Game 6 OKC Klay showed up to play, but his kneecaps didn't survive and the bench well they are leftovers no other teams want, and kerr, to his credit, squeezed every ounce of them throughout the playoffs |
zzzeallyJun 15, 2019 9:26 AM
zzzeally said: LMAO i bet the same people who say this championship doesn't deserve an asterisk are the same people downplaying warriors championship with Cavs injuries. BuT tHe WaRriOrS sTiLl HaVe So MaNy AlL sTaRs probably use the same comment even if curry broke his ankles at the end This. Keep the same energy throughout. I'm not putting an asterisk to the championship of the Raptors,injuries are part of the game,yes I think if we were healthy we would've won,yes I believe if Klay doesn't get injured we go 7 but we still put up a fight LIKE the Cavs did in 2015. You accept the facts and move on. 3 chips in 5 years? That sounds like EVERY TEAMS DREAM For that only even if you hate GS you have to respect them. You see if we lost in 5 the narrative would've been wayyyyy different and we would be crucifying GS or if we won we would be talking about how the Raptors choke,but because they did their job we put an asterisk on it GTFO. If KD loses one of the finals he played people would've EATEN HIM ALIVE ,but he didn't gave any of this satisfaction to the media and the haters because he DID HIS JOB AND WON. People are so quick in changing their minds. |
| Speaking for myself, I have never discounted a Chip. Of course, I sometimes have to put certain fans in their place when they wanna talk s*** Lol, but I think I am at least consistent. Only in Boxing do I decide which wins I acknowledge and which wins I don't as there is a lot of corruption in that sport. |
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deg said: im new to this asterisk thing so an asterisk implies a championship is questionable huh for me i can say yes since clearly the Warriors lose to injuries this year and the Raptors got so lucky in this finals run that is and also the friendly bounce of Kawhi agains the Sixers iasuru said: people who say it just seem like salty fans This, basically and they usually are. And while I understand the "idea" of an "asterisk", it is rarely mentioned in a fair manner. Many Teams have benefited from an injury to an opposing team ect., anyway. As far as fair game goes, the imbalance of the East and West is what I want to see addressed. Each Team could play each other 3 times for a total of 87 games. They could shorten the pre-season or get rid of it. Teams are already resting players anyway so I don't think 5 more games is a big deal. |
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| kawaii please come to milwaukee bucks. |
deg said: @Krul_Lurk ye i can understand that salty fans especially Warriors fans would say this asterisk ring thing but the NBA Draft is coming in a few days i think so hopefully someone make a new thread for the new season since im too lazy to make one LOL, yea. Warriors fans can't talk, though. I could bring up 2015, injuries to the Clippers and as a former Spurs fan I would be hellbent on denouncing their 2017 Title if they want to try to knock The Raptors' Title run lol There's still the NBA Awards lol deg said: its funny though this thread started with Kawhi saying he is a fun guy and really he ended the season as really a fun guy for all of Canada lol Haha. He should still leave lol. Well, I want him to. |
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