What are Your Anime Red Flags?

HopefulNihilist said:


Interesting. Could you list more examples? I'm only asking out of interest.



I think FSN was very self-aware in how dumb Shirou was. Then again, it's been years since I watched the original 2009 version by Studio Deen, or UBW by Ufotable. I think you might like the Heaven's Feel movies then: there's less focus on Shirou. He doesn't act dumb.

Pullman said:


That is kind of rich coming from someone known to proudly ship underage boys with each other, sexualizing them even when the shows in question do not do so.

Being extremely judgmental about others and extremely ignorant when it comes to your own fetishes seems to be a popular thing in the anime community...

Pullman said:


That is kind of rich coming from someone known to proudly ship underage boys with each other, sexualizing them even when the shows in question do not do so.

Being extremely judgmental about others and extremely ignorant when it comes to your own fetishes seems to be a popular thing in the anime community...

HopefulNihilist said:


Dang. Don't you think that's a bit much? I mean, every form of storytelling consists almost exclusively of cliches. Are all cliches a red flag for you, or are there specific ones?

Shicchi said:

Yay I'm being noticed by pullman-senpai ;D

"sexualizing them even when the shows in question do not do so."
Aw unfortunately your insult right here is getting very old since everyone do it anyway lol. Since when anyone give a f whether the show is about sex or not right? Even though you fap to naked bnha girls on nhentai, don't be such a hypocryte~ :3
At least there are many BL doujins with some decent plot than a sea of oversized tits of Uraraka, Yaomomo and Tsuyu-chan having a threesome or getting raped by some random faceless villain you can self-insert to. XD

"That is kind of rich coming from someone known to proudly ship underage boys with each other"
I started to think our definition of underage is quite differrent... fyi legal age in Japan is 13 yo. Not that it is relevant though.
Point is, any character that look like a kid aka shota/loli being sexualized is disgusting, period.
Believe it or not, I do have preferences regarding my ships. I can proudly say that I'm not easily offended by anything BUT sexualizing kids (also eroguro).
Anime like "Super Lovers" disgusts me. I stumbled upon Midoriya x Shota Bakugou (and vice versa) several times and they disgusts me. And Shiro is definitely in the "loli" category.
Though, ppl are free to love those, Idgaf.
Maybe you should try to get to know me a bit first before assuming things based on your personal hatred on fujoshi ;D

Being extremely judgmental about others and extremely ignorant when it comes to your own fetishes seems to be a popular thing in the anime community...
Because it feels great to look down on others right, Mr. Pullman? Shaming others in the name of righteousness. It just feels great that's why it's a thing, not only in anime community ;D

Lunilah said:
You separated your first and second retorts when they were one criticism, not an insult, from Pullman. It's not that you sexualize when the story doesn't do it, it's that you're doing it to underage fictional characters as that adds credence to his point on you going out of your way to be a hypocrite. Commas are important, you misquoted and misunderstood him.

You bring up the age of consent in Japan then say it's not relevant. Well which is it? You brought it up to make a point, so let's dive into it.
Yes, the minimal age of consent is 13 as stated by the Japanese Penal Code, but the Children Welfare Act Chapter 34 forbids any act of fornication with children, children being anybody under the age of 18. If your personal definition for underage is what they look like as opposed to their age, what, and who they actually are because it's a fictional drawing and not a real person, you're selectively choosing when to make it okay to sexualize, what Japan deems, as children. You wouldn't do that with real people would you?

You are going out of your way to justify something you say you are against with the sole reason being you're a slightly less creep because they're a bit taller, you're attracted to and sexualize young teenagers instead of children, congrats. If it's because they're fictional what's the difference with a loli if you're able to make that distinction in the first place, especially one that isn't a child? Let me give you the benefit of the doubt and go with that you do care about their age, how do you draw that line without betraying your own principles? Especially if subtext alone does it for you.

This is what looking down on you looks like. Do i actually care or think negatively about you or Pullman's desires or "vices" relating to anime? No. This is just me wrapping my head around your statements with the intent to make it look like i'm grand standing since that's what you thought Pullman was doing, when he was in reality punching up at you, not down.

DarK-LaW said:
I only watch yuri/yuri'ish anime so I guess everything else is a red flag.

Shicchi said:

First thing first, thank u for writing such a long and serious response lol.

Not sure how to respond to my "mistake" about separating Pullman's sentence. I just have a separate response to it so I separated it.

Well, as everything that started with the word "fyi", I just thought it's an interesting information to share, that's all. I did said it's not relevant.

I see what I see. If I see a character that I looks like a kid and that characted being sexualized, I got disgusted. Why should I look for that character's age when my response is spontaneous?

And who said I tried to justify myself? Lol. I even said that I'm fine with ANYTHING except pedo and eroguro. Do you understand what that means? Lol.

I just wanted to correct Pullman that the one I cannot stand is sexualizing kids and that there might be a slight differrence in what I call kids and what he (and other ppl it seems) calls kids.
I shouldn't have used the word pedo if it has a broader definition I guess.

Lol I still feel like your reply is less "looking down" on me than Pullman's because you took your time explaining things while Pullman's sounds like mindless offhand generalizing.

And I don't mind ppl looking down on me lol. It's nothing new. And I enjoy seeing ppl trying to brush their own ego doing that. :3

P. S. Forgot to mention that I'm one of those who can separate fiction and reality almost entirely.

MeisterDM said:

You seem to be a very shallow person, not wanting to watch any potentially good anime just because there’s zero cute girls or yuri-bait. Seems that you watch anime to masturbate.

Lunilah said:
Can't tell if you were serious or not by thanking me for the long and serious response. I'll take it as genuine, obviously not easy to discern sarcasm over text, if not then sorry for this post.

The thing about you having a separate response is that he wasn't criticizing you for sexualizing what a show canonically doesn't do, that's why i brought it up, you responded to it because you took it as a separate point when it wasn't, he wasn't talking about it at all like that. Unless your point was to do that on purpose just to poke fun at him for what he apparently faps to, and asserting that storied sex tales that you partake in are far above what he supposedly likes.

As for your FYI, i hope my post made it clear to you that the legal age is not 13 in Japan, it's the minimal age of consent as children (those younger than 18) are protected against adults. It's not just interesting info, you mentioned it for a specific reason because it was relevant. If i said in this post "i really love the Tom Macdonald and Mac Lethal rap beef going on right now", that would be something that isn't relevant. If you feel that i'm telling you what your intentions were i can't avoid that with my point here, but if you've completely conceded that part of your post, which i assume you are now, then fine.

I'm not sure what you mean by spontaneous, unless you're just talking about being reactionary, but you should care for the character's age if you're against the subtext of pedophilia as it's no different whether it's 6, 8, 10, 12, 14 etc. If you make the distinction of fiction and reality almost entirely, drawing the line at loli/shota because it's even more childlike is still just as problematic for being against the subtext, regardless of what you define to be a kid. Using pedo wasn't the wrong word, it's sexual feelings toward children, children meaning someone below the age of puberty or below the legal age of an adult. It still puts you in that category for those who can't discern fiction and reality. You being uncomfortable with it or against it on principle because it's pedo are completely different things, the former is personal preference while the latter is a principled stance that encompasses what you do with what you're against.

You saying it's not lolis, not this, not that, is justifying it, it's just that what you justify still puts you in the same group as them.

Precisely because i was making the point of lumping you with those who think it's pedophilia, despite not believing it myself and i want to make that clear about myself, is why it was looking down on you, as people think it's the moral high ground, which is what i took from you about Pullman since in that context he would be lower morally to them and having to punch up to you, since you don't lower yourself to his "level", ergo him "punching up", and me "looking down" on you.

I don't like genuinely looking down on people, but i like even less when people think they are but aren't, nothing against you personally, i'm always more about the actual ideas as that's what interests me in people.

Pullman said:
When the show is trying to sell me on rapey situation as being romantic or a rapey character as lovable, that's pretty much the only unversal 'nope' signal for me. You can show whatever you want in fiction, even if it's offensive, but context matters. When you glorify and romanticize something like rape that's where I draw the line. If you want rapey characters in your story, at least have the decency of presenting them as despicable and don't make every other character in the show completely ignore their rapeyness and adore them.

Shicchi said:

Don't say sorry pls, it's genuine XD

Well it sounded like he did criticized both points to me (or it's just me getting triggered lmao). The rest of my reply to those was just me trying to rile him up lol.
I recognize him as someone that usually post quality argument/remark, so yeah, just curious lmao

Yes I was talking about my reaction the moment I saw it.
According to your explanation, yes it is the wrong word then. I don't feel any disgust when I see high school Bakugou naked and being molested. But I do feel disgusted seeing shota Bakugou being molested.
If both still means pedophilic then so be it. I'm okay with selective pedophilic content then lol.

Back to OP question, my red flag is not pedophilic subtext then, but rather seeing character that looks like a kid age 10 yo or below being sexualized.

Not sure if I get what you mean by morally punching me up and such.

My initial purpose replying to Pullman's was,
- To inform that there might be misconception of what I think and what he thinks is pedophilic. Because I have no problem imagining Bakugou doing lewd things and I was under assumption that it's not in pedophilic category.
- To rile him up now that the opportunity had presented itself :3

About separating reality and fiction.
Well, for starters, I'm disgusted by irl people that sexualize elementary kids. I also has problem with teacher and student affairs up to high school settings. I cringed when I see news about some girl age around 15 got married with some old dude.
In fiction though, I don't mind age gap at all as long as the party involved doesn't look like around age 10 yo and below. I ship Gintoki and Kagura just to prove my point lol (though I admit I usually look for fanfic where Kagura is aged up or set in the future when she is older).
In fiction, I can stomach rape scene just fine (as long as it doesn't happen to character I'm attached to), but irl it's a huge no. A taboo.
In fiction, I usually love dangerous, bad boy character (like Bakugou), and find self righteous goody two shoes character (like Deku) boring. Irl, I sure as hell want the kindest and friendliest person to be my partner/friend. I wouldn't be able to get near person like Bakugou, let alone liking or getting along with him.
And I sure as hell don't hate yandere because "who the hell want a crazy psychopatic lover?" lol.

Lunilah said:

Thanks, i like long informed posts too.

We've pretty much settled every point, which is pretty rare to do in discussion, so i'm glad we were able to do that. I don't find many, if at all, contradictory or ill thought out areas in your post. Harping on your new distinction of OPs question would be wrong, since regardless of how you think about loli/shotas being sexualized having nothing wrong about it since it's fiction, and even if you agreed with Pullman or similar "fetishes", if you feel off or uncomfortable about it that's just your preference and nobody can tell you how to feel as it doesn't invalidate agreeing with the view.

As for not getting morally punching up, since morality is completely subjective, like entirely, grandstanding is just taking the high ground subjectively over the other person because you deem your morals greater than them, and grandstanding is looked down upon. Think of morality as a ladder or tall building, the more you perceive your own values and principles to be greater than another person, whether it's true or false, the higher one puts themselves above the other person and looks down on them. It's almost the exact same thing as ego, except this is entirely about righteousness which has nothing to do with ones ability, just how you use your feelings.
Punching up/down is just a metaphor for aiming at someone wherever they are on that ladder be it morally, societally, politically, ideologically etc.

My view on separating reality and fiction is similar, as long as nobody else is being hurt i don't care, even my politics in real life are "pro leaving people alone". As for real pedos in the medium, i don't believe they're created by the medium anymore than i think killers or anything else is created by any other form of fiction or art like video games, which is absolutely zero.

Good talk.

Shicchi said:

Likewise~ XD I think I just gained one or two new knowledge and views from our little talk lol
From your first response, I knew you're the type that can actually hold a good neutral discussion. :3

Ayann said:
Not to defend ngnl but hiro's panty shot wasnt actually surprising for it was tagged with ecchi. If that disgusted you then you made the right decision to drop it or else you'll be seing some feather tickling session and nipple-less breasts. Just maybe it was unnecessary right? I think so too but i did stick with it and eventually loved it.

I only set red flags when the show explains too much about the plot.

lunarxlunar said:

The tag isn't saying ecchi with children though. But who cares anyway.
When you watched enough anime/old enough to grow out of it, you reazlied anime are indeed 95% trash and the anime community is something that deserves to be despised. Good luck trying to normalize your hobby in front of your friends just because there are 2% of the shows that are truly great and turned your life around.

ShadowMonkey said:

Also, stuff that people believe are good alternatives to old shows cuz old shows are "dated", while in reality their redditcore garbage is brainless, surface appealing crap that sucks on turd logs ("DarliFra is better than Eva, Eureka Seven, and Gurren Lagann", "Bunny Girl Senpai is better than Haruhi and Monogatari")

Levi4ckerman said:
Power of friendship...i hate it when erza from fairy tail wins no matter what

Kuro_Neko04 said:
My Red Flag raises when I'm not subjected to a 11 yo loli panty-shot within the first minute of an anime.