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Mar 20, 2019 2:34 AM
#1
| So my female classmate asked me what my parents do for a living and the response wasn't pleasant "I hope all of you that go over there just die already and leave those people in peace." As you can tell it wasn't the most pleasant conversation. I personally do not feel pity for her, even though her actions are ignorant, because she chooses to act in said ignorant fashion. I know there are perfectly good reasons to hate a particular army, such as that army is occupying your country, but some people specially university students tend to hate the military. Why so much division? There are a few reasons I’ve observed commonly for people to hate military. 1- Inability to understand command authority. 2-Personal grudge: The military, or some member of the military trespassed against the person, and they now have a grudge with the whole outfit. 3-Symbolism. For some pacifists, a soldier represents their moral opposite. The soldier is the physical embodiment of everything they view as evil. He is a professional killer! 4-The person is an anarchist, criminal, or otherwise an active disrupter of society. There are also a lot of people that don't have enough information about conflicts that are happening or what all of the jobs do in these conflicts. Some people just want to hate military because they assume they are the reasons the wars are continuing. Why do you hate the military? Do you think the military is responsible for all the casualities? |
''Enemies' gifts are no gifts and do no good.'' |
Mar 20, 2019 4:55 AM
#2
| That's a really bad take on anti-military opinions. 1- command authority is understood by almost everyone, military haters just sometimes disagree with the concept on a some level, meaning they think it shouldn't exist to the degree that it does. 2- really rare in first world countries 3- most of the time it's more nuanced. Almost everyone agrees that there is a need for a military force. What people disagree with is usually the current form of said military force, not the principle of it. Mindless pacifism is another thing that's kind of rare. 4- really rare again unless you're frequenting obscure online forums If you want to stop setting up strawmen and actually understand why people might hate the military, I recommend having long conversations about point 3. What particulars of the current military do they disagree with? Usually it's tied to specific policies, not the fundamental concept of a military force. As it is now, it seems like you're only interested in dismissing the other side as stupid, so you don't really have to engage with them. All while pretending that you actually thought about it. |
Railey2Mar 20, 2019 4:59 AM
| *lampoons inwardly* |
Mar 20, 2019 5:13 AM
#3
| It seems you are brainwashed by parents and media and I am 99% sure you are American. Here, the military have been advised not to wear fatigues in public because of the reaction they would get. That's what you get for many fake wars and millions of civilians killed. Contrast that the Falklands war where the UK was invaded and tens of thousands waved off the military and welcomed them back. Act like a bully and you won't be liked, defend your people and you will be liked. It's not complicated and before you say it, going to war in the middle east is not defending the US, it's stealing oil. |
Mar 20, 2019 5:23 AM
#4
QPR said: It seems you are brainwashed by parents and media and I am 99% sure you are American. Not commenting on whether I agree or disagree with the rest of your post, but before making such a hefty guess you probably should've glanced at the op's profile. They were born and raised in Canada, so there's that 1% lol |
Mar 20, 2019 5:52 AM
#5
iunne said: QPR said: It seems you are brainwashed by parents and media and I am 99% sure you are American. Not commenting on whether I agree or disagree with the rest of your post, but before making such a hefty guess you probably should've glanced at the op's profile. They were born and raised in Canada, so there's that 1% lol I don't stalk people but the same applies, it's just that the Canucks/UK/others are drawn into whatever the yanks do, what's even worse is that they don't get anything from the warmongering. Add the fact that Canadians and UK are more anti war than US and the negative reaction could be even worse. |
Mar 20, 2019 6:16 AM
#6
QPR said: I don't stalk people but the same applies, it's just that the Canucks/UK/others are drawn into whatever the yanks do, what's even worse is that they don't get anything from the warmongering. Add the fact that Canadians and UK are more anti war than US and the negative reaction could be even worse. Not trying to be hostile, and I know very little about typical Canadians/British people so I won't comment on the latter half. But please don't call glancing at a profile "stalking" haha. Any discussion can be made a lot more efficient and concise just by being aware of some of the other party's basic information. Not asking you to read a 300-word paragraph, of course. Anyway, this is completely off-topic. If you want to defend that looking at the profile of a person you're responding to is stalking, please pm me and I'd be willing to keep discussing (I don't want to clutter this forum any more). |
Mar 20, 2019 6:17 AM
#7
Railey2 said: I'm not interested in dismissing, i'm interested to understand why this blind hate while pointing my views to non-military family people complaining about the military people. That's a really bad take on anti-military opinions. 1- command authority is understood by almost everyone, military haters just sometimes disagree with the concept on a some level, meaning they think it shouldn't exist to the degree that it does. 2- really rare in first world countries 3- most of the time it's more nuanced. Almost everyone agrees that there is a need for a military force. What people disagree with is usually the current form of said military force, not the principle of it. Mindless pacifism is another thing that's kind of rare. 4- really rare again unless you're frequenting obscure online forums If you want to stop setting up strawmen and actually understand why people might hate the military, I recommend having long conversations about point 3. What particulars of the current military do they disagree with? Usually it's tied to specific policies, not the fundamental concept of a military force. As it is now, it seems like you're only interested in dismissing the other side as stupid, so you don't really have to engage with them. All while pretending that you actually thought about it. As i said before, there are perfectly good reasons to hate a particular military, particular personnel in the military, or even certain common traits of the military or its personnel. Also why do you hate the military service personnel? |
''Enemies' gifts are no gifts and do no good.'' |
Mar 20, 2019 6:19 AM
#8
| What do the military actually do when they're not waging offensive wars? |
Mar 20, 2019 6:35 AM
#9
QPR said: My parents never brainwashed me, they never forced me to anything, i was never beaten when i said that i would leave the church because i don't believe in god anymore.It seems you are brainwashed by parents and media and I am 99% sure you are American. Here, the military have been advised not to wear fatigues in public because of the reaction they would get. That's what you get for many fake wars and millions of civilians killed. Contrast that the Falklands war where the UK was invaded and tens of thousands waved off the military and welcomed them back. Act like a bully and you won't be liked, defend your people and you will be liked. It's not complicated and before you say it, going to war in the middle east is not defending the US, it's stealing oil. Ok you don't like the warmongering and so do i, better off with peace but people are not advocating for peace by cursing death for military people, also the military families are not responsible for any war the government is. I can't remember any of my parents asking for war. Also what about the peace missions? And yes Canadians and Americans are brothers; Gulf war; NATO bombing of Yugoslavia, and on. |
''Enemies' gifts are no gifts and do no good.'' |
Mar 20, 2019 6:42 AM
#10
Scud said: Peacekeeping missions; Medical evacuations ; trying to avoid a genocide like the Rwandan genocide or simply training.What do the military actually do when they're not waging offensive wars? |
''Enemies' gifts are no gifts and do no good.'' |
Mar 20, 2019 6:43 AM
#11
Fate_Saber88 said: you ARE dismissing it, otherwise you wouldn't be calling it "blind" hate.Railey2 said: I'm not interested in dismissing, i'm interested to understand why this blind hate while pointing my views to non-military family people complaining about the military people. That's a really bad take on anti-military opinions. 1- command authority is understood by almost everyone, military haters just sometimes disagree with the concept on a some level, meaning they think it shouldn't exist to the degree that it does. 2- really rare in first world countries 3- most of the time it's more nuanced. Almost everyone agrees that there is a need for a military force. What people disagree with is usually the current form of said military force, not the principle of it. Mindless pacifism is another thing that's kind of rare. 4- really rare again unless you're frequenting obscure online forums If you want to stop setting up strawmen and actually understand why people might hate the military, I recommend having long conversations about point 3. What particulars of the current military do they disagree with? Usually it's tied to specific policies, not the fundamental concept of a military force. As it is now, it seems like you're only interested in dismissing the other side as stupid, so you don't really have to engage with them. All while pretending that you actually thought about it. As i said before, there are perfectly good reasons to hate a particular military, particular personnel in the military, or even certain common traits of the military or its personnel. Also why do you hate the military service personnel? See how that goes? I don't have a strong opinion on the military or the people that serve. |
| *lampoons inwardly* |
Mar 20, 2019 6:55 AM
#12
Railey2 said: Ok sorry about my poor choice of words. I'm just trying to make my point against the anti-military people and at the same time i'm open to understand why they are against ''us'' but why to the point of wishing death on someone, i mean don't they realize that they have families and feelings as well? Fate_Saber88 said: you ARE dismissing it, otherwise you wouldn't be calling it "blind" hate.Railey2 said: That's a really bad take on anti-military opinions. 1- command authority is understood by almost everyone, military haters just sometimes disagree with the concept on a some level, meaning they think it shouldn't exist to the degree that it does. 2- really rare in first world countries 3- most of the time it's more nuanced. Almost everyone agrees that there is a need for a military force. What people disagree with is usually the current form of said military force, not the principle of it. Mindless pacifism is another thing that's kind of rare. 4- really rare again unless you're frequenting obscure online forums If you want to stop setting up strawmen and actually understand why people might hate the military, I recommend having long conversations about point 3. What particulars of the current military do they disagree with? Usually it's tied to specific policies, not the fundamental concept of a military force. As it is now, it seems like you're only interested in dismissing the other side as stupid, so you don't really have to engage with them. All while pretending that you actually thought about it. As i said before, there are perfectly good reasons to hate a particular military, particular personnel in the military, or even certain common traits of the military or its personnel. Also why do you hate the military service personnel? See how that goes? I don't have a strong opinion on the military or the people that serve. |
''Enemies' gifts are no gifts and do no good.'' |
Mar 20, 2019 6:55 AM
#13
| I don't know how it look like in other and in your country but in mine , I never notice that university or in overall people hating military people , they used to hate Police but I wouldn't say that about the soldiers. In my current profile most of people are neutral about military and from few to 10 people ( including me ) are respecting the military people ( My BFF is going to military ) . |
Mar 20, 2019 7:00 AM
#14
| ohh no.. i am afraid this thread will attract people with the "blame the leftie/SJW/Socialist/Green Party" agenda again just like in some other similar threads. |
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Mar 20, 2019 7:03 AM
#15
Zettaiken said: Polish people are pretty laid back though, is your BFF happy about joining them?I don't know how it look like in other and in your country but in mine , I never notice that university or in overall people hating military people , they used to hate Police but I wouldn't say that about the soldiers. In my current profile most of people are neutral about military and from few to 10 people ( including me ) are respecting the military people ( My BFF is going to military ) . |
''Enemies' gifts are no gifts and do no good.'' |
Mar 20, 2019 7:08 AM
#16
suciaviani said: MAL is above 8chan we are all grown up i believe on this community. ohh no.. i am afraid this thread will attract people with the "blame the leftie/SJW/Socialist/Green Party" agenda again just like in some other similar threads. I'm not a conservative but since i had no choice i grew up with military parents. |
''Enemies' gifts are no gifts and do no good.'' |
Mar 20, 2019 8:48 AM
#17
Fate_Saber88 said: My parents never brainwashed me, they never forced me to anything, i was never beaten when i said that i would leave the church because i don't believe in god anymore. Ok you don't like the warmongering and so do i, better off with peace but people are not advocating for peace by cursing death for military people, also the military families are not responsible for any war the government is. I can't remember any of my parents asking for war. Also what about the peace missions? And yes Canadians and Americans are brothers; Gulf war; NATO bombing of Yugoslavia, and on. If you asked Canada, most people would say they wanted them to protect Canada, not going bombing in Yugoslavia or Iraq. People want the military to defend, not attack in unwarranted situations like Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Afghanistan, Venezuela. Notice a common theme there? Oil and one of them have ever attacked the US or Canada and none of them are better than before the US got involved. I would say at least 90% of my country hate what the military do and have done for the last 20 years. |
Mar 20, 2019 9:03 AM
#18
Fate_Saber88 said: Zettaiken said: Polish people are pretty laid back though, is your BFF happy about joining them?I don't know how it look like in other and in your country but in mine , I never notice that university or in overall people hating military people , they used to hate Police but I wouldn't say that about the soldiers. In my current profile most of people are neutral about military and from few to 10 people ( including me ) are respecting the military people ( My BFF is going to military ) . Well yes, he was for hal year in sapper (he wasn't accepted for military university) and now he is going to normal military without going to any university and yeah he was always a fan of military and soldiers so he is happy of that , but it's the beginning for his soldier career so it will also be tough and hard. |
Mar 20, 2019 9:11 AM
#19
| Because most of them are brainwashed by left-wing professors. The smartest ones are able to resist it and stay sane, though. |
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Mar 20, 2019 9:20 AM
#20
| The military is complete anathema to non confrontational accommodation. |
Mar 20, 2019 10:31 AM
#21
suciaviani said: ohh no.. i am afraid this thread will attract people with the "blame the leftie/SJW/Socialist/Green Party" agenda again just like in some other similar threads. Welp, you were right. Fate_Saber88 said: suciaviani said: MAL is above 8chan we are all grown up i believe on this community. ohh no.. i am afraid this thread will attract people with the "blame the leftie/SJW/Socialist/Green Party" agenda again just like in some other similar threads. I'm not a conservative but since i had no choice i grew up with military parents. And you trust this site way too much. People from all walks of life permeate MAL and the only thing keeping us from metaphorically murdering each other is our common interest in anime... Well, that and the occasional mod. |
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Mar 20, 2019 10:39 AM
#22
| I don't have anything against soldiers and military people. They are simply a lifestyle and a set of ideals I don't share. As long as the military exists, who am I to censor them? Just because I don't like it and I don't buy the shit about its social and political relevance (seems entirely fabricated to be so), I'm not going to hold a grudge on those who do. Would be different if they commited fucked up acts in the name of the organization they represent, which I'm not going to condone. |
Mar 20, 2019 11:08 AM
#23
| They probably dislike the military because they are opposed to mass murder and so on. (I'm not implying all militaries are guilty of that. For reference, my parents, grandparents, uncle, etc. were in the military.) |
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Mar 20, 2019 11:18 AM
#25
| Wtf that's just an extremist reaction ... or better saying just impolite af. You don't assume that someone's parents are bad people by default without knowing them and what they are actually doing and "should die already". Although our military is mainly (natural) disaster control and sending Blue Helmets into other country. I won't judge them without knowing what they are actually doing there, because I'm sitting on my comfortable couch and not (possible) risking my life. Also I know that there not only offensive attacks and nothing more. Protecting projects and foreign doctors and nurses from Doctors Without Borders etc. actually is an important duty too. I mean, these people are there to offer proper medication and treatment in parts of some countries and not so keen on risking their lives, because of some fanatic groups threaten them, while doing that, as well. |
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Mar 20, 2019 12:38 PM
#26
| university = the left military = reality the left never responds well to reality and instead succumb to the safe space of their ivory tower doctrines |
Mar 20, 2019 1:35 PM
#27
| Probably cuz they kill civilians on accident and people dislike that cuz it happens frequently. This drone operator I reached out to after therapy when I met him in therapy, killed civilians on accident talked to me about the whole culture there and how the military is "fodder for psychopaths". Seemed really knowledgeable I'd say. Everyone showed great sympathy for the guy cuz he was ex-military but that's besides the point. Don't know how much of it was him deflecting blame but the guy didn't seem like a bullshitter. I mean he did say it was his fault and all. Seemed smart or wise or something. So that makes me think that maybe it's at least partially accurate. And I understand when people turn on the news and heard that 15 civilians , 5 of them children, were killed in a airstrike at a wedding, it angers them when steps are not taken to prevent such a tragedy and the press doesn't cover it that much. Just my two cents. |
Mar 20, 2019 1:42 PM
#28
| Hahahaha wtf. I've never met anyone who "hates" the military at University. |
Mar 20, 2019 1:56 PM
#29
Taylor3112 said: Hahahaha wtf. I've never met anyone who "hates" the military at University. Is it more of a US thing? Maybe. Britain or Scotland aren't as aggressive, you could say. as the US in foreign policy. I'd agree that a solid majority don't hate the military but a few do. I remember I was on a college campus tour a couple years ago ( wanted a first-hand experience on how normal people live their lives when they become adults) and I started wandering and these two girls came up to me and talked to me about how the US military are racist mass murderers and I should sign some petition to be a part of the solution. They weren't ranting and raving like you see in the media but they were pretty passionate about it. You know if it weren't for the heavy downers I was taking, I probably would have gotten irritated. I'm glad I didn't, it was interesting to see how some college students see things. So I'd say it's pretty prevalent in universities especially since those views are encouraged through clubs. Also some studies show that a higher percentage of college students have anti-military beliefs than the general population. |
Mar 20, 2019 2:03 PM
#30
| the "liberal" kids be like that. seems to be more of a us thing though. |
AnimeFreak-San said: is this a male gender issure...human issue...mental illness perhaps? |
Mar 20, 2019 2:42 PM
#31
HungryForQuality said: Taylor3112 said: Hahahaha wtf. I've never met anyone who "hates" the military at University. Is it more of a US thing? Maybe. Britain or Scotland aren't as aggressive, you could say. as the US in foreign policy. I'd agree that a solid majority don't hate the military but a few do. I remember I was on a college campus tour a couple years ago ( wanted a first-hand experience on how normal people live their lives when they become adults) and I started wandering and these two girls came up to me and talked to me about how the US military are racist mass murderers and I should sign some petition to be a part of the solution. They weren't ranting and raving like you see in the media but they were pretty passionate about it. You know if it weren't for the heavy downers I was taking, I probably would have gotten irritated. I'm glad I didn't, it was interesting to see how some college students see things. So I'd say it's pretty prevalent in universities especially since those views are encouraged through clubs. Also some studies show that a higher percentage of college students have anti-military beliefs than the general population. Yeah, I could see that being the case. Also, the military isn't really discussed where I am from all that much. I only know of one person who went to the military from my school (my secondary school had around 1000 pupils). Personally, I have no interest in the military at all and neither do any people that I am close to. I've seen advertisements on the TV about job positions but that's about all I am exposed to when it comes to military as someone who doesn't watch the news. Must be a region based thing. Lmao, that's nice to see that they were peaceful instead of ranting and raving about it. I always see videos online of American campuses having absolute lunatics on them. |
Mar 20, 2019 2:58 PM
#32
| I would have stuck her finger in a coke can. How dare she! |
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Mar 20, 2019 3:38 PM
#33
QPR said: The military families don't want to attack any country, the government does and it's the government business whether to attack or not.Fate_Saber88 said: My parents never brainwashed me, they never forced me to anything, i was never beaten when i said that i would leave the church because i don't believe in god anymore. Ok you don't like the warmongering and so do i, better off with peace but people are not advocating for peace by cursing death for military people, also the military families are not responsible for any war the government is. I can't remember any of my parents asking for war. Also what about the peace missions? And yes Canadians and Americans are brothers; Gulf war; NATO bombing of Yugoslavia, and on. If you asked Canada, most people would say they wanted them to protect Canada, not going bombing in Yugoslavia or Iraq. People want the military to defend, not attack in unwarranted situations like Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Afghanistan, Venezuela. Notice a common theme there? Oil and one of them have ever attacked the US or Canada and none of them are better than before the US got involved. I would say at least 90% of my country hate what the military do and have done for the last 20 years. |
''Enemies' gifts are no gifts and do no good.'' |
Mar 20, 2019 4:53 PM
#34
| its because people are dumb, have low iq and dont recognize we are living in an era called the "long peace" |
Mar 20, 2019 5:37 PM
#35
GrocerJack said: university = the left military = reality the left never responds well to reality and instead succumb to the safe space of their ivory tower doctrines Ironic to say that while holding a hilariously unified concept of "the left". A lot of leftists are actually pro-military. |
Mar 20, 2019 6:51 PM
#36
| Hate is a strong word, but a strong dislike--sounds like me and @Railey2 made excellent points that i agree with. Its questionable to use the word "blindly" to describe the outlook of those you are taking a discussion with, especially in a military topic--they have to be "blind" to follow orders sometimes (like you described critics as blindly hating), and hopefully the people are members in the right kind of army that allows soldiers to not follow orders that violate personal morality/ethics. To answer your question: I dislike the purpose of the military of my country and how people blindly "praise" those that serve. This oddity that anyone who serves deserves some special recognition baffles me, when I know the person did it as a job and not for morale issues. Yes, I think World War vets deserve that more than the others, but I don't diminish the service of those in other operations/wars. Another issue I have with the level of consideration service members receive in government positions cause they served--it goes against meritocracy in my view, for most of the practice. If you notice these things in a University setting, then perhaps it might have something to do with the person's ability to critically think about military forces. Not all are supportive, and everyone that wears those outfits represent the whole Force including the country, have not been shining examples. |
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Mar 20, 2019 6:52 PM
#37
| no i don't hate our soldiers or our vets. but my country does. have you seen how they treat retired vets? also wanting less military spending =/= hate soldiers. nor does not wanting to send soldiers half way across the globe to fight wars and get killed. again something my country is fond of doing. so ask yourself who actually hates military people? |
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Mar 20, 2019 8:30 PM
#38
| "I hope all of you that go over there just die already and leave those people in peace." Lmao stop my guy, no one said this to you, ever. On a serious note, obviously cause ever since ancient times, humanity had two kind of people: 1-Those who hate soldiers 2-Those who love them Both have plenty reasons. A person may hate their own army by the virtue of thinking that having territories anywhere other than the their homeland is just morally evil. |
Mar 20, 2019 8:50 PM
#39
| I doubt it is the military itself since it is a necessity in my opinion. It is the sad reality and way it's used that people don't like about it. You have to consider that before trying to start a "higher education bad" debate. |
Mar 20, 2019 9:42 PM
#40
| I think you're just talking to the wrong people |
Mar 20, 2019 9:54 PM
#41
Silverstorm said: I see this whole 'Thank you for your service' thing as having swung too far. Now every veteran is a hero. What a crock of BS.Hate is a strong word, but a strong dislike--sounds like me and @Railey2 made excellent points that i agree with. Its questionable to use the word "blindly" to describe the outlook of those you are taking a discussion with, especially in a military topic--they have to be "blind" to follow orders sometimes (like you described critics as blindly hating), and hopefully the people are members in the right kind of army that allows soldiers to not follow orders that violate personal morality/ethics. To answer your question: I dislike the purpose of the military of my country and how people blindly "praise" those that serve. This oddity that anyone who serves deserves some special recognition baffles me, when I know the person did it as a job and not for morale issues. Yes, I think World War vets deserve that more than the others, but I don't diminish the service of those in other operations/wars. Another issue I have with the level of consideration service members receive in government positions cause they served--it goes against meritocracy in my view, for most of the practice. If you notice these things in a University setting, then perhaps it might have something to do with the person's ability to critically think about military forces. Not all are supportive, and everyone that wears those outfits represent the whole Force including the country, have not been shining examples. I’m indifferent about the US Army. My biggest bitch about the veterans are the guys who's whole lives revolve around there veteran status. Who want or demand praise for their service, who's only fashion choice is a shirt or hat or jacket that tells the world that they need to be thanked. They are proud of their service but to laud it above others seem like it would cheap'n the experience. But most veterans on one hand feel so awkward when people thank them enthusiastically like they think they were out on the front lines personally saving their children from the terrorists. They just feel like They're misleading you or taking advantage, even though they didn't do anything to solicit that response. ''Don't thank me! I get thanked by Uncle Sam every 1st and 15th!" Wise words from my American uncle. Too bad more veterans don't have this attitude. Also you don't need to necessarily hate the military personel in order to have a critical view of the military, IMHO The military doesn't need more money, it needs to be better with the money it has. The whole organization is basically run like a failing business which keeps getting subsidized by the government. |
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Mar 20, 2019 10:31 PM
#42
Venomous said: "I hope all of you that go over there just die already and leave those people in peace." That's what she said."I hope all of you that go over there just die already and leave those people in peace." Lmao stop my guy, no one said this to you, ever. On a serious note, obviously cause ever since ancient times, humanity had two kind of people: 1-Those who hate soldiers 2-Those who love them Both have plenty reasons. A person may hate their own army by the virtue of thinking that having territories anywhere other than the their homeland is just morally evil. There are hot headed people everywhere. She probably found my facebook page and assumed i was a Trump supporter just cuz i share lots of military surplus stuff and because my parents are military. I'm the best man to make enemies. ''Both have plenty reasons. A person may hate their own army by the virtue of thinking that having territories anywhere other than the their homeland is just morally evil'' That's a valid argument but, maybe if we don't vote for a Hotel business clow for president we could have a better world, so the weight is not on the military people backs because they don't have the power to decide whether or not to occupy. I understand the reasonable anti-military people but, i can't understand the hateful ones. |
''Enemies' gifts are no gifts and do no good.'' |
Mar 20, 2019 10:56 PM
#43
QPR said: Let us be honest that Canada has such nice things as universal healthcare and some semblance of sexual education. iunne said: QPR said: It seems you are brainwashed by parents and media and I am 99% sure you are American. Not commenting on whether I agree or disagree with the rest of your post, but before making such a hefty guess you probably should've glanced at the op's profile. They were born and raised in Canada, so there's that 1% lol I don't stalk people but the same applies, it's just that the Canucks/UK/others are drawn into whatever the yanks do, what's even worse is that they don't get anything from the warmongering. Add the fact that Canadians and UK are more anti war than US and the negative reaction could be even worse. Canada's social mobility is actually really high for instance instead of taking erotic delight out of screwing the poor thoroughly in the proverbial sphincter. |
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Mar 21, 2019 1:37 AM
#44
| Because university students are ungrateful limp noodle brats that need to be parachuted to a Middle East hotbed. |
Mar 21, 2019 1:48 AM
#45
Fate_Saber88 said: The military families don't want to attack any country, the government does and it's the government business whether to attack or not. I understand and that's a reasonable supposition if you are from the Nordic countries, Switzerland etc where they are purely defensive. It's not a reasonable expectation if you are from the US or any country who gets conned into fighting their oil wars. They don't personally hate your parents it's just that they don't get any other avenue to express their frustrations. |
Mar 21, 2019 2:44 AM
#46
| the environment university tends to be is quite idealistic. you learn concepts, you learn about yourself, meet other like-minded people, get in, get out. it’s like herding cattle. the worldview while living this life is like living in a bubble, don’t you think? you sort of cater to yourself to what one thinks is right. it can foster a hugbox, meaning nothing can truly hurt you by choosing to be exposed to the things you want to see and believe; protection granted by the ivory tower. killing, regardless of any circumstance, may be completely morally reprehensible to some. this is amplified in an environment that is idealistic in nature. i am indifferent to the military. prolly would have been different some 50 years ago when it was an integral part of living. however, times have changed since then due to technology and political climate. today, those who join do so voluntarily, at least in my country. and i believe people should stand up for what they believe in. not saying that most join out of patriotic reasons. foreign conflict isn’t so black and white imo. it’s very muddled. for this reason, the military can be easily misunderstood. it isn’t fair to blame the entire body, cause who’s at the brains of the operation? i also think that in any society there needs to be warriors and the people who maintain the civilizations. without protection, shit could be overrun by any contending civilization. downsize each force to where each is equal in strength? eh not too sure about that. on the individual level, are there those who have benefitted from service? of course there are. are there those that came out worse? of course there are. who’s entirely to say that it’s good or bad for each individual? the idea of good and bad in this case may vary, especially with the various amount of factors that go into a human life. sooo, idk. i’m not really firm with my opinion on the military. nor do i claim to know much, all that was put here was out of speculation. |
Mar 21, 2019 2:52 AM
#47
| further, is there anything inherently wrong with criticizing the military? is there anything wrong with being a 1-4 on your list? do we want the military running our people? you do understand the effects of this yes? |
p0ckyyMar 21, 2019 3:02 AM
Mar 21, 2019 3:41 AM
#48
Scud said: they often help out when natural disasters happen. Sometimes they deal with domestic terrorist threats. But disaster help is a really big one, sometimes they even assist foreign countries in that.What do the military actually do when they're not waging offensive wars? Then they also have passive functions, like acting as a deterrent to hostile foreign powers. It's not only the active stuff that counts! |
| *lampoons inwardly* |
Mar 21, 2019 3:51 AM
#49
| That's a loaded question. It claims something is true in order to answer the question. In the military at least in case of ones involved in actual battles and wars you don't really get to make your own decisions unpunished and only know the absolute necessary to carry out a mission so anyone who joins has to be quite naive to place blind trust in authority that they are doing the right thing in who they kill and why. Even worse they may go against their own morals and act on commands they know are in the wrong. That's the best of the bunch setting aside deserters and the exceptionally defiant and people only doing medical care. In the worst there are people who join because they simply want to kill or train to kill. |
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Mar 21, 2019 4:00 AM
#50
Railey2 said: Scud said: they often help out when natural disasters happen. Sometimes they deal with domestic terrorist threats. But disaster help is a really big one, sometimes they even assist foreign countries in that.What do the military actually do when they're not waging offensive wars? Then they also have passive functions, like acting as a deterrent to hostile foreign powers. It's not only the active stuff that counts! This. In summer time, we have floodings almost every year and that's one important task. Btw the father from a good German friend was a Blue Helmet and died in the middle east like 15 years ago. It's awful that Blue Helmets aren't even allowed to have munitions in their weapons (not all the time), at least to protect themselves. Tho, I don't know how the current legislation looks like. |
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