Overlord Movie 2: Shikkoku no Eiyuu Episode 1 Discussion

Oct 1, 2017 8:34 PM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Lol, they never get tired of ruining the battle of Shalltear vs Unglaus, there wasn't even a proper scene for it, just Shalltear remembering what happened before going berserk. But, oh well... at least this time they added her remark about her fingernail that wasn't in the TV version.
And who was that long haired guy in the church in the ending? I don't remember that scene in the novel.

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Oct 3, 2017 4:16 AM

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This is not even Gurren Lagann, generic public approval, and they decided to go for 2 movies instead of a continuation... Audacious.

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Daniel_Naumov said:
This is not even Gurren Lagann, generic public approval, and they decided to go for 2 movies instead of a continuation... Audacious.

But there will be a continuation:
https://myanimelist.net/anime/35073/Overlord_II

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Oct 9, 2017 10:07 AM

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anyone know when will this be released?

@KRKodama i meant illegally

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Oct 9, 2017 4:02 PM

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Jack_100HP said:
anyone know when will this be released?

It has already been released.

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Oct 10, 2017 3:06 AM

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Jack_100HP said:
anyone know when will this be released?

@KRKodama i meant illegally

It has already been released legally and illegally. You can find it in http://nyaa.si

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Oct 15, 2017 5:00 AM

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I didn't really notice any new scenes or improvement over the TV like in Movie 1.
To put it nicely, its only a watered-down recap of the second half of the TV series first season.

At the half way mark, I was hoping the last 5-10 minutes would give us a glance into the second season of the anime but at 70 minutes I knew that hope was gone.

In my opinion, if you've seen the TV version, you should probably avoid this (the second movie) because there is nothing new or better.

Oct 15, 2017 6:41 AM

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kyled00m said:
I didn't really notice any new scenes or improvement over the TV like in Movie 1.
To put it nicely, its only a watered-down recap of the second half of the TV series first season.

At the half way mark, I was hoping the last 5-10 minutes would give us a glance into the second season of the anime but at 70 minutes I knew that hope was gone.

In my opinion, if you've seen the TV version, you should probably avoid this (the second movie) because there is nothing new or better.

That's not true. The scenes I pointed out in my first message weren't in the tv version.
And this scene too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKsbQpd7ACM
And unless I'm very mistaken, this scene too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A_BTHDNTHA

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Oct 15, 2017 2:18 PM

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KRKodama said:

kyled00m said:
I didn't really notice any new scenes or improvement over the TV like in Movie 1.
To put it nicely, its only a watered-down recap of the second half of the TV series first season.

At the half way mark, I was hoping the last 5-10 minutes would give us a glance into the second season of the anime but at 70 minutes I knew that hope was gone.

In my opinion, if you've seen the TV version, you should probably avoid this (the second movie) because there is nothing new or better.

That's not true. The scenes I pointed out in my first message weren't in the tv version.

And this scene too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKsbQpd7ACM
And unless I'm very mistaken, this scene too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A_BTHDNTHA

Wasn't the long haired man in the chap in the TV version too? He was one of the knights(?) with the old bag who tried to mind control Shalltear.

Shalltear's fingernail remark doesn't add or improve the scenes, it adds dialogue. There's more enoyable dialogue in the LN. I'm more interested in whether

The white thing didn't show up in the novel (though I'm only at Vol.8). It felt more like some kind of filler to me. The mind control is supposedly from a World-class item as far as I know at this point, not some strange armored guy who shows up after the mind control fails because the old bag gets heavily wounded.

The Lizardmen Arc hasn't started yet. Take into account the two movies are recaps, I expect that scene to show up in Season 2.

Oct 15, 2017 3:43 PM

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I'll put everything into a spoiler box, but don't worry, I won't spoil what happened after volume 8 for you.

kyled00m said:
Wasn't the long haired man in the chap in the TV version too? He was one of the knights(?) with the old bag who tried to mind control Shalltear.

Yeah, that's what I'm asking in my first message. Perhaps that was in the tv version too, but I don't remember it. I really don't remember that scene even in the novel. Maybe it's because I didn't pay enough attention to it. I'm already reading volume 12(the one that has just been released) and I won't spoil what happened after volume 8 for you, but from what I remember at least until volume 8 it seems to be still a mystery who exactly controlled Shalltear, whether a world-class item was really used or not, whether it was a player who did it or not, and whether what really happened there was just what was shown to us until the time when Shalltear lost consciousness or not. It's true that we know for sure that Shalltear lost her consciousness when she attacked that group of people, but we don't know for sure what exactly happened between that time and when Ainz went to confront her. And the movie added that scene hinting that perhaps more things happened during that interval of time than we think(and Ainz thinks). One thing I can say for sure is that at least until volume 8 Ainz is still thinking of the possibility that the one who supposedly used the World-class item to control Shalltear was a player, and he is trying to find the player. The armored guy looks like Peroroncino, who is the player who created Shalltear, so maybe that scene wasn't so irrelevant as it seemed to be. Yes, you're right, that scene didn't show up in the novel, but even so, if it was the author who told the producers to add that scene to the movie then it's still relevant, even though that doesn't mean anything definite since the scene was very vague and wasn't in the novel, I think it still means something, even if just as a little hint.

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The mind control is supposedly from a World-class item as far as I know at this point

That's just Ainz Ooal Gown's supposition. I understand why you think like that, since he's the protagonist and he keeps repeating that supposition in every volume. But at least until volume 8 he hasn't confirmed it yet.

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Shalltear's fingernail remark doesn't add or improve the scenes, it adds dialogue. There's more enoyable dialogue in the LN. I'm more interested in whether

Brain Unglaus will be excited in the TV/Movie to come when he finally cutsclips her fingernail for her.

Yeah, the reason the fingernail remark was added to the movie was exactly because of the second fight of Brain and Shalltear when he finally cuts her fingernail. They didn't think it was an important remark when they were making the tv version, but since cutting her fingernail will be a major factor in the plot of the volume six that will probably be adapted in the second season they decided to add the remark in the movie. So I think it actually improves the scene because not everyone read the novel, and for people who are only watching the anime the self-improvement of Unglaus as he finally becomes able to cut her fingernail woundn't have so much meaning if that remark wasn't added.

kyled00m said:
The Lizardmen Arc hasn't started yet. Take into account the two movies are recaps, I expect that scene to show up in Season 2.

Well, yeah, they are just recaps and the Lizardman arc hasn't started yet, but I was just literally replying to the things you said in your first message about not noticing any new scenes and about they don't giving us a glance into the second season. I agree with you if you mean to say that it was a very insignificant glance, but it was still a glance. :P
By the way, I found this page that comments about the changes from the tv version that the movie had:
http://www.anime-now.com/entry/2017/03/17/230035
"The most notable changes were as follows:

1- The episode ten conversation in the carriage between the butler, Sebas Tian, and the true vampire, Shalltear Bloodfallen, is noticeably longer. The two discuss not only the potential risks with Shalltear’s blood frenzy, but also mention the fact that Sebas is a Dragonoid with a much more powerful battle form. On a personal level, Sebas was one of my favorite characters from the series and seeing more depth added to him was quite satisfying.
2- The entirety of Shalltear’s fighting human adventurers and subsequent blood frenzy was relegated to a brief flashback. It wasn’t exactly the most visually flattering moment for the character, so it was somewhat understandable.
3- The final part of the story is the battle between the main character, Ainz Ooal Gown and Shalltear—after an unknown entity takes control of Shalltear’s mind. During this, we are shown a flashback of the events that led to Shalltear falling under someone’s control. While in the TV series, the culprits were warriors from the Slane Theocracy, in the movie, we see that there was also someone else directly responsible. In the flashback, we see a fuzzy image of that individual. The scene was too brief to clearly identify who it was, but its silhouette did bear a resemblance to Shalltear’s creator, Peroroncino.
4- Much of the TV series’ epilogue was cut, with the movie ending after scene of the council of the Slane Theocracy receiving a report on an encounter with an unusually powerful vampire and discussing the recent events that have weakened their forces. The TV series ended with a montage of various characters and what they are doing leading in to what at the time was only a potential seconds series, so it felt a little strange not to include it when a seconds series has been announced.
5- The movie ends with a brief cut of a lizard man. This is obviously a teaser pointing to the upcoming second season of the series that was announced with the release of the second movie."

ColtBuntlineOct 15, 2017 4:12 PM

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Oct 16, 2017 11:40 AM

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And here I was wishing Nigredo will show up...damn

KRKodama said:

I think the guy who said this post is just reading too much to it.

KRKodama said:
4- Much of the TV series’ epilogue was cut, with the movie ending after scene of the council of the Slane Theocracy receiving a report on an encounter with an unusually powerful vampire and discussing the recent events that have weakened their forces. The TV series ended with a montage of various characters and what they are doing leading in to what at the time was only a potential seconds series, so it felt a little strange not to include it when a seconds series has been announced.

It's not strange I think, one who will of course plan to watch the second season should obviously go watch the first season as well, not just a ''recap" movie with a bit modification. So it's a good thing that the movie's epilogue pointed #5 better as foreshadowing for 2nd season.

Oct 16, 2017 12:39 PM

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Oh god.. I was writing a response about Mind control and the spell and came up with a terrible idea.

Idea: The spell used on Shalltear was not mind control at all.
It was likely a manipulation of a status value loyalty. The spell was called something like Downfall of Country and Shalltear lost Loyalty to all of Ainz Ooal Gown (seen in the interface where her name turns red). When asked by Ainz, she said couldn't think of who her master was.
This spell likely requires concentration/channeling and works over a period of time. I imagine it starts by removing loyalty and adds loyalty over time, which Shalltear interrupted by dealing a lethal attack to the caster almost immediately.
Given this idea, the spell isn't likely to work on mindless undead at all and can likely be used on any living creature with a mind and wouldn't be characterized as mind-affecting or even a debuff. If this is the case, this spell sounds terrifying.

Oct 16, 2017 4:51 PM

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Zaphkiel_El_Rem said:

From an intermission (iirc it was volume 8):

Oct 16, 2017 6:40 PM

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Dragleones said:

Zaphkiel_El_Rem said:

From an intermission (iirc it was volume 8):

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Oct 16, 2017 6:55 PM

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Dragleones said:

Zaphkiel_El_Rem said:

From an intermission (iirc it was volume 8):

OH, I remember reading something like that, thanks for the correction.

Oct 16, 2017 7:22 PM

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Zaphkiel_El_Rem said:
And here I was wishing Nigredo will show up...damn

Isn't Nigredo Albedo's sister who doesn't have a face? Why would you like to see her?? xD

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Oct 16, 2017 8:38 PM

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KRKodama said:

Zaphkiel_El_Rem said:
And here I was wishing Nigredo will show up...damn

Isn't Nigredo Albedo's sister who doesn't have a face? Why would you like to see her?? xD

Well I am a fan of horror and the password to start a conversation with Nigredo was creepy af. That scary part was what I really wanted to see.

Oct 16, 2017 10:41 PM

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Zaphkiel_El_Rem said:

KRKodama said:

Isn't Nigredo Albedo's sister who doesn't have a face? Why would you like to see her?? xD

Well I am a fan of horror and the password to start a conversation with Nigredo was creepy af. That scary part was what I really wanted to see.

Hahaha, now that you mentioned it, I think her appearance in the movie would fit perfectly with the ending song. lol

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Nov 16, 2017 3:51 PM

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Pretty solid wrapup of this movie as a recap I must say! Really looking forwards for the second season I must say! Quite enjoyed these recap movies to be honest.

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I feel weird watching a recap but this was OK.

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Coz he's right here! ...and he's fresh out of mercy.

Aug 8, 2018 1:13 PM

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Another great recap, these guys know how to make one.

Dec 5, 2018 9:25 AM

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Oof, almost fell asleep watching this.

"At some point, I stopped hoping."

Jul 23, 2019 6:48 AM

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I'm impressed that I overlooked so much details from way back then that it felt like I was watching it for the first time again. This made me remember how awesome the first season is and that's great~

Jan 5, 2020 1:47 PM

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This was fine....

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Even though its my second time seeing this, always satsifying to see Ainz give Clementine the slow hug of death for what she did to his tools..uhm I mean his comrade adventures. While I remember most of the events of s1, I totally forgot how Shalltear went rogue but I guess it's because of the vague flashback.

Nov 18, 2021 3:03 AM

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Shaltear really part scared me. Nice little recap

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I think that scene of Shalltear getting annoyed at Sebas is a new one. I didn't remember that in the series.
7:04 I think that is the only time I've seen Solution's scared face. She looks cuter in it. hehe
20:33 I'm sure she meant Azuth from S4. I think Azuth is the strongest of all the people she mentioned. The fact that he was able to survive against Albedo is an achievement. Not to mention he has good range and can fly. I think she's overestimating herself if she thinks she can fight against Azuth equally.
01:01:12 That's a new scene too. So Tsa tried to kill her while she was immobilized.
Good summary movie. 7/10

Feb 6, 2023 2:09 PM

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