| The cause of the series demise is here in this video. I didn't expect SE to actually kill off the franchise that saved their as from the beginning much less it being the result of no more turn based combat, I thought mobile would kill the franchise but nope. |
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| Final Fantasy has been dead since the release of XIII |
SilkDegrees said: Final Fantasy has been dead since the release of XIII I'd even go as far as saying that Final Fantasy died when X came out. |
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| You're overreacting. The last time it was turn based was back in, what? 2001? If it's survived till now, it will continue to survive. |
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yhunata said: You're overreacting. The last time it was turn based was back in, what? 2001? If it's survived till now, it will continue to survive. SE is going to lose fans in droves from this decision. We're talking about an iconic battle system which is the heart and soul of the franchise being removed for terrible action battle systems we don't need, the West is filled with action RPGs and then you have the hunting rpg subgenre in Japan, we don't need anymore action RPGs, we need more tried and true turn based RPGs. |
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Hoppy said: yhunata said: You're overreacting. The last time it was turn based was back in, what? 2001? If it's survived till now, it will continue to survive. SE is going to lose fans in droves from this decision. We're talking about an iconic battle system which is the heart and soul of the franchise being removed for terrible action battle systems we don't need, the West is filled with action RPGs and then you have the hunting rpg subgenre in Japan, we don't need anymore action RPGs, we need more tried and true turn based RPGs. The sales figures seem to speak a different story. FFXV is the fastest selling FF to date and everyone knew that it wasn't turn based. |
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| I prefer the turn based games over the action RPG. But yeah the series are not dead at all. As long they keep selling millions of games the franchise will continue. Once the series starts to sell poorly and Square Enix decides to stop making Final Fanstasy games is when the series will be dead (until Square Enix or someone else revives it). |
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| But atleast we get to see crossdressing Cloud again in HD? |
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| Its not even a series at this point anyway. Just a set or games that share the same name to bank off brand loyalty. |
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| ^ Yup same as the Resident Evil franchise. The game was fixed camera horror them it became a third person shooter and now is a generic first person horror. The series are not dead but the gameplay changes drastically. |
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Phendrus said: Oh, good. Turn-based RPG systems can be fun, but the ones in the FF games I've played (IV and VIII,) are so dull. XV is actually fun to play. They may have already done this in IX - XII, but if Square Enix wanted to keep doing turn-based RPGs, they needed to spice it up/streamline it a bit. Radiant Historia and Persona 5 are good examples of games that made turn-based combat fun. Final Fantasy IV, by contrast, is a good example of a game where I dreaded every new, tedious fight, but kept playing because of the story. Kinda have to agree. Played a lot of FFIV and while the game is fun, I doubt it would've been if I were playing the game on normal speed. Random battles + Turn-based combat is a nightmare most of the time. |
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| I thought this was old news *click video* I dunno what I even expected. As long as it's funner than FF15's battle system I'll play it. I have massive doubts about FF7's remake. |
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Syrup- said: I thought this was old news *click video* I dunno what I even expected. As long as it's funner than FF15's battle system I'll play it. I have massive doubts about FF7's remake. Well, the original FF7 wasn't anything to write home about, so I doubt that the remake could be any worse. |
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Seiya said: I already didn't like FF7, but after seeing what the expanded universe has done to it, I detest it even more. I really doubt it could be worse than the FF15 battle system though.Syrup- said: I thought this was old news *click video* I dunno what I even expected. As long as it's funner than FF15's battle system I'll play it. I have massive doubts about FF7's remake. Well, the original FF7 wasn't anything to write home about, so I doubt that the remake could be any worse. |
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| Oh, quit whining about some developers getting away from turn based gameplay and just play the Persona games already. |
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| Again with the taking something out of proportion. All Square is doing is appealing to the mass because turn base games have more or less become even more of a niche genre in the west than they originally were and Final Fantasy games heavily appeal worldwide. Does it trigger bother the fanbase? Sure, but that's not going to change anything, they'll still keep on buying the games. Why? Because it's Square. Because it's Final Fantasy. It's like the DC fans going to watch a new DC movie despite how badly they've been doing and will keep on going to watch them. In addition to that, even if they lose some consumers, transitioning into the more popular genre of action games will appeal to new generation of gamers easily filling that loss. |
| Turn based is an outdated gameplay mechanic. If anything, the final fantasy is gonna get revived. It's been shit since FF7 (including FF7) |
FacelessVixen said: Why even bother stating an opinion like this? Wow problem solved, I played Persona for the fiftieth time. I can't wait until the next Turn Based RPG I've been looking forward to comes out... oh wait, they stopped making those because people didn't whine enough. Oh, quit whining about some developers getting away from turn based gameplay and just play the Persona games already. |
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Valaskjalf said: Turn based is an outdated gameplay mechanic. The kind of bullshit mentality that got final fantasy to where it is. |
| Not a big shocker seeing how they've been steering the series lately. It was only a matter of time till they made the official announcement. Considering how much I disliked FFXV, this is obviously sad news for me. Thankfully, there are still a lot of great JRPGs out there. Finding an alternative would be a cinch. Oh, and there's still FFXIV if nothing else. |
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MrAwesome2018 said: But atleast we get to see crossdressing Cloud again in HD? That's worth the price of the remake right there. |
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| final fantasy was dead to me after X |
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| Meh, i would rather play Granblue than trying a turn-based FF game by modern SE. |
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| I still have yet to play FF XV but yeah...lost faith in this franchise long time ago. |
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| The older combat system was better also magic and summonings are crap in XV, I hope these improve in the new FF game between the combat in XV and XII I prefered the XII one. However I liked the older turn based for the final fantasy games so I hope that they will return to that in the future. |
djshar said: The older combat system was better also magic and summonings are crap in XV, I hope these improve in the new FF game between the combat in XV and XII I prefered the XII one. However I liked the older turn based for the final fantasy games so I hope that they will return to that in the future. Thing with the XV battle system was that it felt unifinished. The magic system had the makings of an amazing magic creation system, only to be let down by variety. The battling itself had the makings of a good beat em up, but only if they included some combos that would allow for faster weapon switching. Chapter 13 had the makings of an interesting sci-fi/fantasy horror, if only the game really was a horror. In the end, FF XV was an infinitely delayed game that could've done with a little more delaying. |
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Valaskjalf said: Turn based is an outdated gameplay mechanic. If anything, the final fantasy is gonna get revived. It's been shit since FF7 (including FF7) it may be outdated, but not too many games can do combat systems well enough to justify a complete switch from turn-based. + i doubt a lot of games would work as well without them. |
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| FFX was turn based, and the last turn based FF before that was FFIII. |
| I thought Final Fantasy has been dead for over 15 years. |
Thrashinuva said: ATB is still turn based, you're just able to skip turns with inaction. If you play on "Wait" this is even more true.FFX was turn based, and the last turn based FF before that was FFIII. |
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| Final Fantasy died the moment they decided to use that k-pop rock band as MCs. |
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Psajdak said: I don't understand you guys... You talk as if Final Fantasy became something different only later in series, even though as early as Final Fantasy VII, it became something else entirely. I mean, it's not even just about going from 2D to 3D, setting changed so much that it could be called different IP in general. It became Final Sci-Fi. |
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Turtles_Hunter said: I really wonder why people continue to say this decade after decade. It had amazing sales and that's not really indicative of it doing anything special. FFVII is the biggest change in FF history. FF7 didn't change many things except adding cinematics to discs and the jump to 3D, which really isn't much of a change at all. Steampunk was clearly present in FF6. Big bad edgelord villains with little backstory have been a staple of the franchise since the beginning. Customizing your characters with "materia" isn't much different from the esper system, job system, or stat growth system. FF4 introduced the theatric approach to the franchise before FF7 came along. 3D isn't really too impressive considering a majority of maps are 2D prerendered images, which is technically the same thing 2D had been doing for decades. ... plus, like, the only place that had "full 3d" was the world map.. not really much of an achievement. If you ask me, FF12 was the biggest change in FF history. >no random encounters >ATB changed to "gambit" system with programmable logic (ie. Automatic battle system, which came long before FF13's paradigms) >world map traded for large roamable zones without corridors (unlike FF10) >achievement system added in the form of the "sky pirate den" >no clear main character >story is not about good versus evil >massive focus on cinematic experience >nobuo isn't the composer anymore >jump from MIDI Synth compositions to full orchestrated tracks (later seen in FF13, FF14, FF15) >sakaguchi is no longer participating in its creation >the only mainline FF (not counting MMOs) to use a sidegame universe as a foundation >Every map done in 100% Full 3D, not just a camera on rails like FF10, or pre-rendered backgrounds that could not be rotated like FF7-9. >one of, if not *the most*, polarizing games in the franchise- either you hate it or you love it The only people will never call it the most influential FFs is because it didn't have a large following. It clearly influenced the direction of Neo-FF, and is the clear turning point for the franchise. |
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| I dunno...as much as I loved turn based combat, I do still enjoy the Kingdom Hearts-esque hack and slash gameplay. While FFXV was mediocre in pretty much every aspect, its combat was very fun imo. I think I will enjoy FFVII Remake so long as it preserves its focus on storytelling and characters and doesn't turn into a mediocre mess like XV was, since I am fine with the new combat system. |
| Turn-based is probably my preferred system in JRPGs, but thankfully franchises like Persona and Dragon Quest seem to be sticking with it for now, so it's not completely missing in modern day. But yeah, it is a shame we'll never see Final Fantasy do a big budget cinematic turn-based game. |
| chill out |
| I personally love turn-based combat as much as more actiony stuff but let's face it, turn-based combat is just not popular with most of today's demographics, especially more western demographics. Pokemon seems to be the only franchise that can get away with pure turn-based gameplay anymore. |
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| This would be cool if Square knew how to make an actual quality aRPG and not the unholy mess that is FFXV |
| tbh I prefer actual gameplay over turn-based games anyway 15 was really fun and it wasn't turn-based |
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| Technically the series all built up to ff9, though 10 was a fluke with how good it was. Everything after was bad. |
| Dragon Quest's better anyway. =^) |
Vanisher said: Valaskjalf said: Turn based is an outdated gameplay mechanic. The kind of bullshit mentality that got final fantasy to where it is. So it's getting better because of this kind of mentality. I'm glad. Maybe now I can actually bother playing this dead series. |
| This franchise stop being good after FFX. |
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