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Dec 23, 2017 10:08 AM
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The number of asylum seekers fleeing their home countries to the European Union will increase 188 percent — to 660,000 applications per year — by 2100 if carbon emissions and global warming continue on their current path, according to new estimates published Thursday in Science Magazine. Where did these numbers come from? Environmental economists Wolfram Schlenker and Anouch Missirian arrived at these figures by combining asylum-application data with NASA projections on future earth warming. The pair from Columbia University looked at applications to 103 EU nations, filed between 2000 and 2014, and temperature variations in the home countries of those who applied. They found when severe fluctuations in temperatures happened, throwing off the optimal conditions for agriculture, asylum applications increased as a result. Why it matters: “Our findings highlight the extent to which countries are interlinked, and Europe will see increasing numbers of desperate people fleeing,” Schlenker said. This comes at a time when “Europe is already conflicted about how many refugees to admit.” Greenhouse gases, by nature, cross geographic borders, and Schlenker told the NewsHour that developing countries will be impacted more severely by climate change, resulting in a human spillover into more resilient nations. While the future extent of global warming is hard to guess, Schlenker said the best case scenario for emissions would limit warming to 1.8 degrees Celsius. But based on their predictions, asylum applications to the EU would still increase 28 percent — 98,000 extra applications annually. The EU received 1.2 million applications from first-time asylum seekers in 2015, a record setting number and more than double the year prior. What’s more, about half of Europe’s asylum applicants from 2015 to 2016 still had decisions pending at the end of 2016. “These findings will be especially important to policymakers since they show that climate impacts can go beyond the borders of a single country by possibly driving higher migration flows,” said Juan-Carlos Ciscar, an economics and climate expert at the European Commission’s Joint Research Centre, who wasn’t involved in the study. What’s next: Solomon Hsiang, an economist at University of California Berkeley who has linked drought cycles to increased violence, predicts new institutions will be needed to manage the flow of climate asylum seekers. On December 12, the two-year anniversary of the Paris climate agreement, leaders from across the Americas, including California Governor Jerry Brown, gathered in Ontario, Canada for the launch of Carbon Pricing in the Americas, to discuss carbon policies that work towards a low-carbon future. The Trump administration spent much of 2017 pulling back on international climate commitments. In June, President Trump removed the U.S. from the Paris climate agreement, which aims to keep the Earth’s warming under 2 degrees Celsius by curbing greenhouse gas emissions. In November, Syria joined the Paris agreement, leaving the U.S. — the second largest carbon emitter in the world — as the sole country opposed to the climate accords. Scott Pruitt, head of the Environmental Protection Agency, began the process of repealing the Clean Power Plan, an Obama-era rule meant to curb carbon emissions at U.S. power plants. In addition, the Trump administration revised the social cost of carbon — the socioeconomic price of emitting one ton of carbon into the air. Under Obama, the cost was $36 per ton emitted, but Pruitt’s EPA revised the price down to $1 and $6 per ton. “The World Bank Group stands ready to support countries in the Americas as they work together to implement carbon pricing for ambitious climate action,” Jim Yong Kim, President of the World Bank Group, said at the meeting of the Americas in Ontario. For years, scientists have argued human migration will be on the rise as long as temperatures continue to increase. This study represents one piece of a growing body of scientific evidence linking climate change to forced migration and human conflict. “There are tremendous costs, both for refugees and their hosts, when we are caught flat footed,” Hsiang said. “We should plan and prepare.” Global warming could drive 660,000 more people per year to Europe Science deniers like Trump and his supporters are to be blamed for this, after pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord. I fear that Europe won't be able to accommodate the needs of the refugees. Rise of fascists in countries like Poland and Austria will make it harder for the refugees to grow accustomed to their new hostile environment. This is good news for the refugees affected by global warming overall. |
Dec 23, 2017 10:13 AM
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| Oh boy another immigration thread, can you make anything else? |
Dec 23, 2017 10:16 AM
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-Spades- said: Oh boy another immigration thread, can you make anything else? Except this is not just about immigration? The most important factor here is the global warming caused by science deniers like Trump. Do not forget that. |
Dec 23, 2017 10:45 AM
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1337Taste said: Except this is not just about immigration? The most important factor here is the global warming caused by science deniers like Trump. Do not forget that. It's not just Trump, it's industry in general who is responsible and Trump is merely protecting his interests as a selfish businessman. 1337Taste said: Rise of fascists in countries like Poland and Austria will make it harder for the refugees to grow accustomed to their new hostile environment. This is good news for the refugees affected by global warming overall. I'm going to be objective here. I'm not a racist person. Historically, homogenous populations do better than mixed ones. When it was founded, the United States was an experiment, a "mixing pot of cultures". And now because of that, our political system is a mess. No one can get anything done in politics because no one can agree on anything. All the various viewpoints and cultures clash. There's nothing wrong with helping others, but I can see why they want the immigration to stop- to preserve current affairs in politics. |
Dec 23, 2017 11:02 AM
#5
| man made climate change can really do a global migrant crisis especially when sea level rises across the world even the USA military says man made climate change is a national security threat but Trump do not think so |
Dec 23, 2017 11:08 AM
#6
1337Taste said: The number of asylum seekers fleeing their home countries to the European Union will increase 188 percent — to 660,000 applications per year — by 2100 if carbon emissions and global warming continue on their current path, according to new estimates published Thursday in Science Magazine. Where did these numbers come from? Environmental economists Wolfram Schlenker and Anouch Missirian arrived at these figures by combining asylum-application data with NASA projections on future earth warming. The pair from Columbia University looked at applications to 103 EU nations, filed between 2000 and 2014, and temperature variations in the home countries of those who applied. They found when severe fluctuations in temperatures happened, throwing off the optimal conditions for agriculture, asylum applications increased as a result. Why it matters: “Our findings highlight the extent to which countries are interlinked, and Europe will see increasing numbers of desperate people fleeing,” Schlenker said. This comes at a time when “Europe is already conflicted about how many refugees to admit.” Greenhouse gases, by nature, cross geographic borders, and Schlenker told the NewsHour that developing countries will be impacted more severely by climate change, resulting in a human spillover into more resilient nations. While the future extent of global warming is hard to guess, Schlenker said the best case scenario for emissions would limit warming to 1.8 degrees Celsius. But based on their predictions, asylum applications to the EU would still increase 28 percent — 98,000 extra applications annually. The EU received 1.2 million applications from first-time asylum seekers in 2015, a record setting number and more than double the year prior. What’s more, about half of Europe’s asylum applicants from 2015 to 2016 still had decisions pending at the end of 2016. “These findings will be especially important to policymakers since they show that climate impacts can go beyond the borders of a single country by possibly driving higher migration flows,” said Juan-Carlos Ciscar, an economics and climate expert at the European Commission’s Joint Research Centre, who wasn’t involved in the study. What’s next: Solomon Hsiang, an economist at University of California Berkeley who has linked drought cycles to increased violence, predicts new institutions will be needed to manage the flow of climate asylum seekers. On December 12, the two-year anniversary of the Paris climate agreement, leaders from across the Americas, including California Governor Jerry Brown, gathered in Ontario, Canada for the launch of Carbon Pricing in the Americas, to discuss carbon policies that work towards a low-carbon future. The Trump administration spent much of 2017 pulling back on international climate commitments. In June, President Trump removed the U.S. from the Paris climate agreement, which aims to keep the Earth’s warming under 2 degrees Celsius by curbing greenhouse gas emissions. In November, Syria joined the Paris agreement, leaving the U.S. — the second largest carbon emitter in the world — as the sole country opposed to the climate accords. Scott Pruitt, head of the Environmental Protection Agency, began the process of repealing the Clean Power Plan, an Obama-era rule meant to curb carbon emissions at U.S. power plants. In addition, the Trump administration revised the social cost of carbon — the socioeconomic price of emitting one ton of carbon into the air. Under Obama, the cost was $36 per ton emitted, but Pruitt’s EPA revised the price down to $1 and $6 per ton. “The World Bank Group stands ready to support countries in the Americas as they work together to implement carbon pricing for ambitious climate action,” Jim Yong Kim, President of the World Bank Group, said at the meeting of the Americas in Ontario. For years, scientists have argued human migration will be on the rise as long as temperatures continue to increase. This study represents one piece of a growing body of scientific evidence linking climate change to forced migration and human conflict. “There are tremendous costs, both for refugees and their hosts, when we are caught flat footed,” Hsiang said. “We should plan and prepare.” Global warming could drive 660,000 more people per year to Europe Science deniers like Trump and his supporters are to be blamed for this, after pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord. I fear that Europe won't be able to accommodate the needs of the refugees. Rise of fascists in countries like Poland and Austria will make it harder for the refugees to grow accustomed to their new hostile environment. This is good news for the refugees affected by global warming overall. Ironic shitposting is still shitposting. Sage |
Dec 23, 2017 11:08 AM
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| @-Spades- It's not just Trump, it's industry in general who is responsible and Trump is merely protecting his interests as a selfish businessman. You seem to forget that Trump is supposed to be "anti-establishment" or at least that's what his ardent supporters paint him to be. A populist who goes by the creed: "By the people, For the people!" Being a "selfish businessman" seems to be the antithesis to who he is supposed to be. Moreover, he is the leader of the free world, therefore, this "industry" you refer to must bend the knee so to speak. They're not supposed to be in control of the "leader of the free world" I'm going to be objective here. I'm not a racist person. Historically, homogenous populations do better than mixed ones. When it was founded, the United States was an experiment, a "mixing pot of cultures". And now because of that, our political system is a mess. No one can get anything done in politics because no one can agree on anything. All the various viewpoints and cultures clash. There's nothing wrong with helping others, but I can see why they want the immigration to stop- to preserve current affairs in politics. Pardon me, but last time I checked, United States of America was the greatest nation on earth and still is. Indeed, even after generations of race mixing, it seems that USA is a successful "experiment of mixing a pot of cultures" as you put it. And for every successful homogeneous country in the world, there are equally unsuccessful homogeneous country. Your argument that homogeneous society do better than mixed ones is therefore, moot. Unless you provide data otherwise, I suggest you stop spreading misinformation. |
Dec 23, 2017 11:09 AM
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| They shouldn't get accustomed to their new Countries in the first Place. Asylum is meant for those being persecuted or expelled and not for those, who flee Poverty or natural Catastrophes. |
Dec 23, 2017 11:21 AM
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1337Taste said: @-Spades- It's not just Trump, it's industry in general who is responsible and Trump is merely protecting his interests as a selfish businessman. You seem to forget that Trump is supposed to be "anti-establishment" or at least that's what his ardent supporters paint him to be. A populist who goes by the creed: "By the people, For the people!" Being a "selfish businessman" seems to be the antithesis to who he is supposed to be. Moreover, he is the leader of the free world, therefore, this "industry" you refer to must bend the knee so to speak. They're not supposed to be in control of the "leader of the free world" I'm going to be objective here. I'm not a racist person. Historically, homogenous populations do better than mixed ones. When it was founded, the United States was an experiment, a "mixing pot of cultures". And now because of that, our political system is a mess. No one can get anything done in politics because no one can agree on anything. All the various viewpoints and cultures clash. There's nothing wrong with helping others, but I can see why they want the immigration to stop- to preserve current affairs in politics. Pardon me, but last time I checked, United States of America was the greatest nation on earth and still is. Indeed, even after generations of race mixing, it seems that USA is a successful "experiment of mixing a pot of cultures" as you put it. And for every successful homogeneous country in the world, there are equally unsuccessful homogeneous country. Your argument that homogeneous society do better than mixed ones is therefore, moot. Unless you provide data otherwise, I suggest you stop spreading misinformation. $0.50 was deposited into your account. Thank you for correcting the record! |
Dec 23, 2017 11:23 AM
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| Don't you worry OP, Europe is slowly waking up, so we will not welcome them here, they will be forced to find shelter on the other places. |
Dec 23, 2017 11:26 AM
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Swagernator said: Don't you worry OP, Europe is slowly waking up, so we will not welcome them here, they will be forced to find shelter on the other places. I hear the Mediterranean Sea is accepting "refugees." |
Dec 23, 2017 12:26 PM
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Swagernator said: Don't you worry OP, Europe is slowly waking up, so we will not welcome them here, they will be forced to find shelter on the other places. “Most men would rather deny a hard truth than face it.” ― George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones Migrants will come whether you like it or not. Might as well embrace it. |
Dec 23, 2017 12:28 PM
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1337Taste said: Swagernator said: Don't you worry OP, Europe is slowly waking up, so we will not welcome them here, they will be forced to find shelter on the other places. “Most men would rather deny a hard truth than face it.” ― George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones Migrants will come whether you like it or not. Might as well embrace it. Damn, i never was threaten with migrants before. |
Dec 23, 2017 12:29 PM
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Swagernator said: 1337Taste said: Swagernator said: Don't you worry OP, Europe is slowly waking up, so we will not welcome them here, they will be forced to find shelter on the other places. “Most men would rather deny a hard truth than face it.” ― George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones Migrants will come whether you like it or not. Might as well embrace it. Damn, i never was threatened by migrants before. Well that speaks volumes to the character of these people. They were never a threat to anybody. Anyone who says otherwise, is a xenophobe. |
Dec 23, 2017 12:30 PM
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1337Taste said: Well that speaks volumes to the character of these people. They were never a threat to anybody. Anyone who says otherwise, is a xenophobe. Oh don't you worry i'll clearly see how they are not threat. |
Dec 23, 2017 12:42 PM
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| It will make people in parts of Europe migrate too. |
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Dec 23, 2017 12:58 PM
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| Great, because that's exactly what Europoor needs. Thanks Trump & frunds |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Dec 23, 2017 1:03 PM
#18
| i don't think globel warming is real but if you do i respect your opinion :) |
Edward Elric > your waifu |
Dec 23, 2017 1:21 PM
#19
Comic_Sans said: Great, because that's exactly what Europoor needs. Thanks Trump & frunds Poor? Relative to what? I think Europe has more than enough resources to help these refugees. Otherwise, I'm glad we share the same sentiment towards Trump. |
Dec 23, 2017 1:23 PM
#20
| global warming is a myth though so your entire thread is based of lies |
Dec 23, 2017 1:24 PM
#21
| europe's my favorite state in america |
Edward Elric > your waifu |
Dec 23, 2017 1:26 PM
#22
Valaskjalf said: global warming is a myth though so your entire thread is based of lies Unprecedented natural disasters beg to differ. See Californian wildfires, hurricane Harvey and Irma. |
Dec 23, 2017 1:29 PM
#23
1337Taste said: Valaskjalf said: global warming is a myth though so your entire thread is based of lies Unprecedented natural disasters beg to differ. See Californian wildfires, hurricane Harvey and Irma. Yeah because that's the first time California was on fire. Oh wait. |
Dec 23, 2017 1:30 PM
#24
1337Taste said: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/jokePoor? Relative to what? I think Europe has more than enough resources to help these refugees. Not really. The Swedish welfare state is going kaputt thanks to our shitty immigration & integration policies and we're supposed to be one of the richer countries in EuropeOtherwise, I'm glad we share the same sentiment towards Trump. Okay |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Dec 23, 2017 1:37 PM
#25
| 1. climaet change occuring long befoer tump's inauguraton last year 2. thinken hillary would genuinly made diffence for environ is toppest naive 3. pop-culture references aer no argumens 1337Taste said: “Most men would rather deny a hard truth than face it.” ― George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones Migrants will come whether you like it or not. Might as well embrace it. yes am support both republican & environment thus support initiatives of party that are in line w/ my own values. stuff liek dis aren mutualy exclusive. extremist 'us vs them' mindsets liek ur op poost that demonize & generalize entire groups is big indicator that your opinon on things belong nowhere but dumpster |
Dec 23, 2017 1:42 PM
#26
1337Taste said: Unprecedented natural disasters beg to differ. See Californian wildfires, hurricane Harvey and Irma. Lol. Actually some peeps think some kind of divine intervention is occuring for California. http://time.com/4949931/will-a-catastrophic-earthquake-strike-the-u-s/ Seismologists have long warned that the U.S. is “overdue” for an earthquake, because a catastrophic one has not occurred in the U.S. since about 1989, when the Loma Prieta earthquake killed at least 63 people in California, said Robert Yeats, a geology professor at Oregon State University. The most destructive earthquake the U.S. has ever seen was the 7.9-magnitude “Great San Francisco Earthquake of 1906,” which killed an estimated 3,000 people, according to the agency. As more years have passed without earthquakes, pressure has built up along certain fault lines as tectonic plates try to shift, including in the Pacific Northwest and California, Yeats said. California is also in a perpetual state of drought for its population size anyways. http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-groundwater-20150318-story.html Then you have things like Vegas being built in the middle of a desert and drawing water from outside to be sustained. http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-las-vegas-drought-20140421-story.html |
Dec 23, 2017 1:50 PM
#27
Valaskjalf said: 1337Taste said: Valaskjalf said: global warming is a myth though so your entire thread is based of lies Unprecedented natural disasters beg to differ. See Californian wildfires, hurricane Harvey and Irma. Yeah because that's the first time California was on fire. Oh wait. I was talking about in magnitude and scale. The 2017 wildfires are the worst in history of California so far. @Comic_Sans Not really. The Swedish welfare state is going kaputt thanks to our shitty immigration & integration policies and we're supposed to be one of the richer countries in Europe I hate to break it to you but you live in a socialist utopia according to Bernie Sanders. I don't think you should be complaining when millions are dying outside of your safe space. |
Dec 23, 2017 1:56 PM
#28
| Why do I even bother? 1337Taste said: Sanders himself is against mass immigration as it's incompatible with his economic model of preference (AKA the Nordic model) and is in favor of helping people on-site so I don't know what you're trying to prove.I hate to break it to you but you live in a socialist utopia according to Bernie Sanders. I don't think you should be complaining when millions are dying outside of your safe space. Also, Sweden (and the rest of Scandinavia) was never socialist. It's social democratic through and through |
Comic_SansDec 23, 2017 2:01 PM
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Dec 23, 2017 2:13 PM
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Dec 23, 2017 2:16 PM
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1337Taste said: No, he doesn't. He views mass immigration as Kock Brothers muppetry and nothing else.Time to refresh your memory: Bernie Sanders on Immigration: Strengthen and Expand Our Support for Refugees. In light of the Syrian refugee crisis, it is essential we continue to welcome refugees to the US and meet our international responsibilities. When hundreds of thousands of people have lost everything and have nothing left but the shirts on their backs, we should not turn our backs on refugees escaping violence, whether it be Syrians in the Middle East or young children in Latin America. We need to continue our efforts to provide refugees fleeing violence with the opportunity for a new life, and explore additional ways to address the humanitarian crisis. That's from good Ol' Bernie's website that he used back in the presidential campaign. He obviously believes that the Nordic model would work for United States whilst also accepting thousands of refugees. |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Dec 23, 2017 2:35 PM
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Dec 23, 2017 2:39 PM
#32
1337Taste said: LOL so you got to hear Sanders' unfiltered views on immigration straight from the horse's mouth and you're still in denial because "the website says so". If you think you would've gotten closer to having your dreams about open borders achieved had Sanders become president then you're wrongMass immigration is not open boarders. Nice try though. I support open boarders but I know it's not going to happen overnight. He carefully outlined his views on immigration on his website and its closest thing we got to open boarders. For now. |
Comic_SansDec 23, 2017 2:47 PM
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Dec 23, 2017 3:12 PM
#33
| @1337Taste I’ve no idea how you got so much wrong. I’m admittedly somewhat tempted to get into an endless and entirely pointless argument with you, but nah... I’m not taking your shitty bait |
Dec 23, 2017 3:14 PM
#34
Comic_Sans said: 1337Taste said: LOL so you got to hear Sanders' unfiltered views on immigration straight from the horse's mouth and you're still in denial because "the website says so". If you think you would've gotten closer to having your dreams about open borders achieved had Sanders become president then you're wrongMass immigration is not open boarders. Nice try though. I support open boarders but I know it's not going to happen overnight. He carefully outlined his views on immigration on his website and its closest thing we got to open boarders. For now. He also claims that open borders is a right wing proposal which is a load of bs. If that were true we wouldn't be having this conversation. I personally think that he said all these things so as not to scare away his base. Welcome to politics. |
Dec 23, 2017 3:18 PM
#35
1337Taste said: Open borders is mainly a right wing idea which latte liberals/BoBos and loony leftists eventually decided to support and he received a lot of backlash after saying he didn't support open borders. You've got it backwards, "comrade"He also claims that open borders is a right wing proposal which is a load of bs. If that were true we wouldn't be having this conversation. I personally think that he said all these things so as not to scare away his base. Welcome to politics. |
Comic_SansDec 23, 2017 3:21 PM
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Dec 23, 2017 3:25 PM
#36
Comic_Sans said: 1337Taste said: He received a lot of backlash after saying he didn't support open borders. You've got it backwards, "comrade"He also claims that open borders is a right wing proposal which is a load of bs. If that were true we wouldn't be having this conversation. I personally think that he said all these things so as not to scare away his base. Welcome to politics. Rightly so. Who would support someone who says one thing but does another? Why do you think Trumpettes praises Trump like a god? You don't think Bernie wouldn't open the gates for the refugees in need? That's your opinion, but know that you're wrong. |
Dec 23, 2017 3:30 PM
#37
1337Taste said: Sanders never said he was in favor of open borders, it's the latte liberals/Bobos and loony leftists who assumed he was and then became angry when it turned out he wasn't.Rightly so. Who would support someone who says one thing but does another? Why do you think Trumpettes praises Trump like a god? You don't think Bernie wouldn't open the gates for the refugees in need? That's your opinion, but know that you're wrong. For a few highly educated refugees, yes, but he would first and foremost help refugees on-site since that'd end up being more helpful in the end.It's not an opinion, it's basic economics 101. |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Dec 23, 2017 3:40 PM
#38
| @Comic_Sans Sanders never said he was in favor of open borders, it's the latte liberals/Bobos and loony leftists who assumed he was and then became angry when it turned out he wasn't. Oh are we back to name calling again? I'm disappointed in you. For a few highly educated refugees, yes, but he would first and foremost help them on-site. It's not an opinion, it's basic economics 101. We're going on circles here. He wants to emulate the Nordic model, and wants to make it work while also accepting an influx of refugees like what Sweden and other Scandinavian countries are doing. |
1337TasteDec 23, 2017 3:51 PM
Dec 23, 2017 3:47 PM
#39
1337Taste said: Not as much name calling as stating the facts and the truth.Oh are we back to name calling again? I'm disappointed in you. We're going on circles here. He wants to emulate the Nordic model, and wants to make it work while also accepting an influx of refugees like what Sweden and other Scandinavian country is doing. Wrong, he wants to emulate the Nordic model while not accepting open borders and mass immigration à la Fall 2015 (Swedish edition) as it is incompatible with his economic model of preference (which you would've understood if you had actually taken the time to listen to what he was saying in the video). Sorry, but you're gonna have to look for your open borders advocate somewhere else, I propose that you check the Huffpost or some other latte liberal/Bobo/loony leftist rag. |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Dec 23, 2017 3:56 PM
#40
Comic_Sans said: 1337Taste said: Not as much name calling as stating the facts and the truth.Oh are we back to name calling again? I'm disappointed in you. We're going on circles here. He wants to emulate the Nordic model, and wants to make it work while also accepting an influx of refugees like what Sweden and other Scandinavian country is doing. Wrong, he wants to emulate the Nordic model while not accepting open borders and mass immigration à la Fall 2015 (Swedish edition) as it is incompatible with his economic model of preference (which you would've understood if you had actually taken the time to listen to what he was saying in the video). Sorry, but you're gonna have to look for your open borders advocate somewhere else, I propose that you check the Huffpost or some other latte liberal/Bobo/loony leftist rag.You haven't presented one convincing evidence whatsoever, yet you have the audacity to claim that you're "stating facts and the truth". A video from 2015 does not count. Also you seem to think I'm a leftist when I'm a centrist unlike you who seem to be so far on the right. |
Dec 23, 2017 4:02 PM
#41
1337Taste said: Of course I have, I've got a video where he states his true and unfiltered views on immigration and the only lackluster defense you have in store is "muh his website" and "the video was not filmed in the current year" (as if a man whose progressive views have remained largely unchanged over decades would change his equally progressive stance on immigration in a heartbeat just because a bunch of latte liberals/bobos and loony leftists got all pissy about it).You haven't presented one convincing evidence whatsoever, yet you have the audacity to claim that you're "stating facts and the truth". A video from 2015 does not count. Also you seem to think I'm a leftist when I'm a centrist unlike you who seem to be so far in the right. I am about as "far right" as you aren't a troll under the guise of being a latte liberal/bobo, AKA not at all. Merry Crustmas to you |
Comic_SansDec 23, 2017 4:15 PM
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Dec 23, 2017 4:17 PM
#42
| hoo boy here we go again |
Dec 23, 2017 8:46 PM
#43
| Too bad the majority of them will spend their lives inbreeding in refugee camps. Less and less people care as we don't want our daughters to be raped and given aids. |
Dec 25, 2017 7:54 PM
#44
| Europe has no obligation to accommodate refugees/migrants. Even if it did, Europe shouldn't take more migrants than it can handle. Not just for Europe's sake, but for any refugees that make it out of this. |
| Signature is too edgy for me. |
Dec 25, 2017 7:59 PM
#45
| You can't be half responsible for the world's environmental destruction for the past 150 years and not suffer the consequences, hope they get the refugees and even more. Should have listened to your scientists back in the 1930s. I don't believe in superstitious bullshit but if I did i'd call this Karma. |
Dec 25, 2017 8:21 PM
#46
| Karma is real . 3 centuries ago Europeans came uninvited and destroyed various indigenous cultures and nations . Now it's their turn to suffer . See even nature is working against them -_- |
| "You are what your deep, driving desire is. As your desire is, so is your will. As your will is, so is your deed. As your deed is, so is your destiny. " -Brihdaranyak Upanishad |
Dec 25, 2017 8:35 PM
#47
| It has nothing to do with colonialism, it has to do with global warming. Secondly, Europe is not the only place that's dealing with climate refugees from Africa; South Asians, other African countries are taking a hit too. The crisis isn't European it's global. |
Dec 25, 2017 9:04 PM
#48
NudeBear said: It has nothing to do with colonialism, it has to do with global warming. Secondly, Europe is not the only place that's dealing with climate refugees from Africa; South Asians, other African countries are taking a hit too. The crisis isn't European it's global. Ya I know , but none knows in which form karma boomerang back ^_^ India is already the worst affected when it comes to climate change and disasters . We loose 2% of GDP every year due to that . Our old civilization collapsed due to climate change . Let's see how my Indo European brothers tackle this problem <3 |
| "You are what your deep, driving desire is. As your desire is, so is your will. As your will is, so is your deed. As your deed is, so is your destiny. " -Brihdaranyak Upanishad |
Dec 25, 2017 9:11 PM
#49
NudeBear said: You can't be half responsible for the world's environmental destruction for the past 150 years and not suffer the consequences, hope they get the refugees and even more. Should have listened to your scientists back in the 1930s. I don't believe in superstitious bullshit but if I did i'd call this Karma. So Europe should be punished because it raised the standard of living throughout the world? I understand that industrialization is not all sunshine and roses, but can you be just a little bit grateful that the world isn't as miserable as it was 200 years ago. It's only been a few decades since humanity considered the idea that they may have some significant impact on the environment. I think we can bare a few more years of us trying to solve this complicated issue, instead of condemning the continent which has brought so much prosperity (and admittedly suffering) into this world. |
-Krouton-Dec 25, 2017 9:14 PM
| Signature is too edgy for me. |
Dec 25, 2017 9:19 PM
#50
Kmolson said: NudeBear said: You can't be half responsible for the world's environmental destruction for the past 150 years and not suffer the consequences, hope they get the refugees and even more. Should have listened to your scientists back in the 1930s. I don't believe in superstitious bullshit but if I did i'd call this Karma. So Europe should be punished because it raised the standard of living throughout the world? I understand that industrialization is not all sunshine and roses, but can you be just a little bit grateful that the world isn't as miserable as it was 200 years ago. It's only been a few decades since humanity considered the idea that they may have some significant impact on the environment. I think we can bare a few more years of us trying to solve this complicated issue, instead of condemning the continent which has brought so much prosperity (and admittedly suffering) into this world. How are these migrants "punishing" Europe? You assume way too much with no evidence to present whatsoever. |
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