| Over the past decade we've see an increase of anime adaptations of light novels, to the point where it's almost nauseating. Yet, this has caused a growing hatred of light novels since most nowadays are just generic, cliched filled stories that we've all seen before and has pretty much given anime a bad name. It's really sad when you think about it. Having seen many anime that are based on LNs I find that many of them have very interesting, if not intriguing, concepts but suffer by either suffer from poor writing and execution or just given the wrong story entirely. To give some examples along with what I felt they should have been... Sword Art Online - A fascinating concept based on the the idea of "What if our greatest video game dream became our greatest nightmare?". The story should have been about the players struggle to survive and escape their gaming nightmare with Kirito trying to save as many lives as he could. Instead we got something that was the complete opposite simply because the writers had no idea what they were doing and just made it up as they went along. The Asterisk War - This is arguably the most prime example in recent years, although in all honesty I would take this over SAO any day of the week purely because I enjoy it more and the characters didn't annoy me as much. The whole concept of TAW reminded me a lot of the video game Final Fantasy VII and I've come to the conclusion that if it had been more like that, it would have stood a better chance. Think about it; what if the schools were actually the new major factions of the world and they are always on the verge of fighting on a global scale for nothing more than supreme dominance? TAW had some pretty good ideas but the story didn't do it justice. It should have been an adventure story where the characters try to prevent that from happening, not another "School/Tournament" story that we've all seen before. And seeing how the author is such a big fan or RPGS I can't help but scratch my head on why he felt this was the right direction to go with his story. Chivalry of a Failed Knight - We all know this came out at the exact same time as TAW and how similar it is. I will agree that it's definitely the much better of the two but honestly I would have liked to have seen Chivalry with a medieval, sword-and-sorcery setting, kind of like Game Of Thrones but without all the sex, nudity, and gore. Instead of another "School/Tournament" story I would have a story that's similar to my favorite historical epic El Cid, a story about a young man who began as the kingdom's poorest knight but rose to become its greatest hero. Clockwork Planet - Oh, boy. This was the most frustrating one for me last season. The whole idea of the world being transformed into a giant sized clockwork was fascinating enough to get me interested but the pacing and tone shifts were so awful and drastic at times I had to force myself to continue watching. In my honest opinion, this could have been anime's answer to both Blade Runner and Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy. The story should have been about Ryuzu becoming her own version of Batman and her quest to save the world from the underworld and corruption before meeting both Marie and Naoto, who share the same goal. World's End(SukaSuka) - While Clockwork Planet had its problems, this was the biggest disappointment for me last season. A fascinating world, an interesting idea, and the potential to have a really good story got wasted because the writer(s) lost focus on what the story should have been about. To put it simply, SukaSuka suffered from focusing far too much of the love story between the two main characters and not on the bigger picture, which is the "Fairies vs. The Beasts" and it effects both them and their world. I have no objection to having a love story in any story, but the one here ended up reminding me too much of why I greatly disliked the love story in James Cameron's Titanic. My review of this show goes into greater detail of what this anime could have been so feel free to check that out if you like. So there you have it. I find that it's really sad that light novels had been getting so much flack lately because many of them have interesting concepts and ideas, but suffer from poor decisions by the writers. What do you guys think? Do you think "Concept Novels" would be a better term for light novels? Are they any light novel anime you feel could have been better if it was done differently? Let me know what you think. |
DirectorKAug 26, 2017 3:24 PM
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| "Toilet Novels" seems like a better name. They are short enough to be read in the toilet and can be usably disposed without much regret. |
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DirectorK said: almost nothing is fully original or can be free from cliches so thats more so the problem of every form of entertainment and is something people need to stop complaining about. You can't escape that. Literature is just too oldmost nowadays are just generic, cliched filled stories |
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| Yeah , most of the light novels are cliche with a cliche story .. and most of them are ecchi/harem with non special characters Aquamirror said: "Toilet Novels" seems like a better name. They are short enough to be read in the toilet and can be usably disposed without much regret. This guy gets it |
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| I think the light novel (that I have read) that most suffers from this is Jorge Joestar. Not that is bad, that it isn't, but that from page 3 onwards it just stops making any sense. Despite how interesting it's concept was, at the end I ended up finishing it only on wonder about what stupid piece of sheer insanity was going to appear next. Also, El cid, best epic poem. |
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Aquamirror said: "Toilet Novels" seems like a better name. They are short enough to be read in the toilet and can be usably disposed without much regret. Okay, I have to admit it's hilarious.  |
| Ehhh, okay, so what's the fuss over it? Do you like LN to be like western novels or something like so deep you'd crave symbolism every sentence? |
_Ako_ said: Ehhh, okay, so what's the fuss over it? Do you like LN to be like western novels or something like so deep you'd crave symbolism every sentence? Why not? Boogiepop, Kara no Kyoukai and Haruhi are just a few of the Light Novels published before the big boom of generic LNs and they were pretty inventive. It's a real shame that LNs used to be such a cool medium for telling new and interesting stories whereas now they're associated with garbage bag filler. |
| But then again, nipponjins don't see any problem with their light novels so they mass produce them every year. And weabs in west are dumb enough to like them as well... So wait, there's actually no problem at all, if people want shit then give them one. Aquamirror said: "Toilet Novels" And they also can be used as toilet paper, in most cases it's the better option than actually read them. |
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Toa_of_Gallifrey said: _Ako_ said: Ehhh, okay, so what's the fuss over it? Do you like LN to be like western novels or something like so deep you'd crave symbolism every sentence? Why not? Boogiepop, Kara no Kyoukai and Haruhi are just a few of the Light Novels published before the big boom of generic LNs and they were pretty inventive. It's a real shame that LNs used to be such a cool medium for telling new and interesting stories whereas now they're associated with garbage bag filler. As far as I know, LN industry just boomed when isekai series was being published one after another, the same as how harem/ecchi LNs became popular with long-ass titles :/ |
Swagernator said: Aquamirror said: "Toilet Novels" And they also can be used as toilet paper, in most cases it's the better option than actually read them. If it has pics of cute lolis, it might be worth to check the contents beforehand. Anyway, you better spend that time in reading, you are already crapping the seat, reading more crap won't change a thing in the toilet. |
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| Sure light novels do have much more content than the anime ever did, but you cant blame bad adaptations on poor writing or pacing, it must be difficult adapting something that's mostly words instead of pictures, it all boils down to how the anime is made. Light novels being full of content in one volume makes it hard for the creator of the anime to decide what should go in and what shouldn't, leaving them to leave some things out and often pacing things too fast. But no adaptation does this better than Baccano!, instead of adapting just one or two volumes, how about we take the first four volumes and split them up, my hat goes off to the creators of the anime. |
DirectorK said: I don't think so, every work of fiction has some concept behind it, how the actual story turns out is entirely up to the author and how well it it received by the readers. Some of those concepts aren't even new.What do you guys think? Do you think "Concept Novels" would be a better term for light novels? Are they any light novel anime you feel could have been better if it was done differently? Let me know what you think. I haven't read any of the newer LNs, more like so far I've only ever read two: Kara no Kyoukai and maruMA. As for Kara no Kyoukai is concerned, I have no complains with it's anime but maruMA (LNs) a.k.a. Kyo Kara Maoh (anime) would have certainly been much better if it just followed the LNs and didn't keep on adding in unnecessary fan-service. |
| I would say Trend Novels because it reeks of trends and many are corporate as hell. It must be soul sucking to write them these days and a waste of good magaka abilities and especially artist ability (heck a doujin mangaka I've followed for years does art for an incredibly bland and bad LN, and I've noticed a few others do this as well). |
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| Every novel is based around a concept. Not every novel is made of light. Done. |
Noesnecesario said: Also, El cid, best epic poem. I was actually referring to the movie, not the poem. But yeah, I'm glad to see someone else on here knows about El Cid besides me. |
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| I would go with this as something different, not replacing the term. There's author that genuinely write a Light Novel to enjoy as a Light Novel. Then, there's people that write Light Novel that aim an anime. This kind of novel usually come with really shallow plot and rely on comedy. It still hard to differentiate novel to fit the term. Just like genre, label "Light Novel" is just a convenient thing. |
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Swagernator said: Aquamirror said: "Toilet Novels" And they also can be used as toilet paper, in most cases it's the better option than actually read them.  Couldn't think of a better time than this to post it. |
| Usually for Light Novels, when a certain type of adaptation becomes popular, you'll see more and more studios adapting those kinds of stories. There's lots of light novels out there with outlandish concepts, none of which are particularly unique because you can find many similar ones. The term "Concept Novels" implies that they have an interesting unique concept, which is hardly the case. |
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| I think calling them Light Novels is fine. Light as in "Light reading." Concept novels sounds like you're going to be reading some sort of technical thing. I'm glad to see them translated though. I feel like they are kind of short for what you get. Like if they put 4 novels of content into one book that would be better. |
DirectorK said: What do you guys think? You don't like light novels and light novel adaptations because you, personally, are a bad person. Everything you complain about is your personal fault. The works you're talking about are pretty damn good the way they are. The authors knew precisely what they were doing, and they did not let their prejudice about the premise get in the way of telling a good story. DirectorK said: Do you think "Concept Novels" would be a better term for light novels? They are called "light novels" precisely because they are what they are. What you desire should be called "heavy" or "dreary" or "dark" novels. Or just "boring grimdark crap" when I am not feeling charitable. DirectorK said: Are they any light novel anime you feel could have been better if it was done differently? Let me know what you think. There are many minor things that could be changed about LN adaptations, like redesigning the MC of Accel World to look more like a human he is supposed to be. But overall - most of them are fine as they are. The "light" in "light novels" means "opposite of heavy", not the kind of light that's made of photons. Also, all novels are made of light when I'm reading them on the screen of my PC. suzuya_mitsuko said: Then, there's people that write Light Novel that aim an anime. This kind of novel usually come with really shallow plot and rely on comedy. I would like some examples. Most LNs which are adapted to anime are anime-like, you know. I don't expect Mimizuku to Yoru no Oh (Mimizuku and the King of the Night) to be adapted any time soon. |
| @DirectorK - it seems to me more that you're just wanting series that are different to the original novels. Methinks it may be just you reading the concept before you start the series, forming an idea of one direction that the concept could take that you think would be cool, and then being disappointed when it inevitably doesn't. There are two options available to you here: option 1 - stop doing it as it's obviously damaging your enjoyment of the series. option 2 - don't watch the series at all, but instead go off and write your own story based on the idea you have. Of course, if you put it out as a light novel, all the idiots you see on this thread will be slating your effort as unoriginal crap, whereas if you put out the exact same thing as a regular novel or, better yet, as a "this is how the light novel should have been" they'll be all over you saying how wonderful you are. That's the mentality these people have. And they don't even realise that it makes them look stupid. With regards the term itself, it's kind of outdated in that light novels nowadays are often a long way away from the original concept from the 1980s. The term "concept novel" is, though, far less appropriate still. As for things done differently, well of course. The main issue, though, is with those series that are rushed to the point of losing everything the series has to offer. @Toa_of_Gallifrey - Haruhi led a trend in light novels that followed along similar lines to it, much like Sword Art Online has. Just none of these got anime adaptations. So people don't complain about them. Light novels are no more or less "garbage bag filler" than they ever have been. Which is to say they aren't at all. Pyxus said: you cant blame bad adaptations on poor writing or pacing Yes you can. Your point about light novels being a lot harder to adapt than, say, a manga is true, and doubly so for certain series that rely on unspoken text a lot to show what's actually going on. But this only means that the work of the people doing the adaptation is more important in determining how good it is, not less. Particularly when it comes to pacing. Compare Rokka no Yuusha to Mahou Sensou. Both 12 episodes in length, one did a very good job at adapting one volume of the series, the other tried and failed at squeezing in 7 volumes of content resulting in nothing really making any sense. This responsibility is entirely in the hands of those producing the anime. suzuya_mitsuko said: There's author that genuinely write a Light Novel to enjoy as a Light Novel. Yes. All of them. Some of them may not succeed very well, but that's both to be expected and a different matter entirely. Then, there's people that write Light Novel that aim an anime. No there really aren't. Anyone writing like this will almost certainly fail to be published, probably be dropped through lack of interest if they do get published, and definitely not get popular enough to actually be given an anime adaptation. This isn't to say that there aren't authors who dream of getting anime adaptations for their novels, or even who see this as a personal ambition. There are. Just as there are mangaka that do the same. But the novels are still written as novels, with the intention of being read as novels, and not of being watched as anime. I've never yet come across a light novel that I've felt worked better as an anime than a light novel, or where I've thought that the author was writing it so that an anime could be made. I've come across plenty that have had anime which I've considered nigh on impossible to adapt into anime in a way that does justice to the novels. This is particularly noticable with those series which feel the need to have shorts or segments at the end of each episode to give explanations of crucial things that couldn't actually be adapted into the episode. Kuma said: inb4 LN squad swarming this thread... https://myanimelist.net/clubs.php?cid=63591 https://myanimelist.net/clubs.php?cid=12842 Hi. I think you'll find that it's the haters that generally do the swarming to these threads, though. |
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flannan said: They are called "light novels" precisely because they are what they are. What you desire should be called "heavy" or "dreary" or "dark" novels. Or just "boring grimdark crap" when I am not feeling charitable. Didn't they called "light" because of their publishing format? Because there are some LN with dark plots (for example, HakoMari), and they doesn't stand like exceptions among other novels. |
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PizzaWarrior said: flannan said: They are called "light novels" precisely because they are what they are. What you desire should be called "heavy" or "dreary" or "dark" novels. Or just "boring grimdark crap" when I am not feeling charitable. Didn't they called "light" because of their publishing format? Because there are some LN with dark plots (for example, HakoMari), and they doesn't stand like exceptions among other novels. Yes, the real reason is the publishing format. They're smaller than full-scale novels. |
kuuderes_shadow said: Kuma said: inb4 LN squad swarming this thread... https://myanimelist.net/clubs.php?cid=63591 https://myanimelist.net/clubs.php?cid=12842 Hi. I think you'll find that it's the haters that generally do the swarming to these threads, though. i don't said you guys are bad, infact you guys are cool.. just reminding OP his action has concequence... |
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| @Flannan How does bringing up the problems of LNs in general make me a bad person? I'm sure I'm not the first to have mentioned them. If I truly hated LNs and their anime adaptations I would have outright said it from the start and left it at that. But I don't, I just wish that authors would spend a little more time developing them. I know that they can be good writers but either their inexperience or their unwillingness not to pander to the market shows. For you information one of my favorite anime last year was And You Thought There Is Never a Girl Online and that's based on a LN. I also recently finished watching DanMachi and despite some gripes, such as the fanservice, I still really liked it. Some of my other favorite anime of all time are also based on LNs, such as Vampire Hunter D, The Twelve Kingdoms, and Gosick, some of which I have actually read! So what are you talking about that my complaints are all my fault? You don't know me and you don't know a thing about me so shut up. If LNs were perfectly fine the way they are then how come they're not more popular? I do like LNs and have read a fair share of them, including the ones I mentioned above, but I don't deliberately ignore its problems. No form of media is ever perfect but don't go thinking that one thing is far superior over everything else just because you really like them. That will only get you into trouble. And the authors know what they're doing? Well, maybe some do but I seriously doubt that. Otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. As for me wanting "heavy, dreary, or dark" or just a different kind of story for these LNs, for some yes but for others no. And honestly, what exactly is wrong with that? People do it all the time in fanfiction. I certainly have and I have no regrets. Is asking for better writing in an LN really too much to ask? I'm not asking for the next literature masterpiece like The Lord of the Rings, just something that would make me want to read over and over again. If J.K. Rowling had written Harry Potter in LN form I seriously doubt she would have changed the overall story or the way she had written it. Sorry, but you're letting your butthurt fanboy/fangirl side show. I understand that you really like LNs and I respect that because I do to, but don't come here calling me names and thinking that you know everything about me just because I made a thread criticizing LNs because you don't. @kuuderes_shadow It's called having expectations buddy. When I saw The Asterisk War, Chivalry, and even Clockwork Planet for the first time I really wasn't expecting much and for the most part I was right despite the fact that I ended liking them more than I should have. With SAO and SukaSuka yes I did have great expectations because I sincerely believe I was going to be in for something special which in the end it turned out not to be. When I see an premise in a show that might interest me I put a down set of expectations whether they're high or low. It doesn't matter if the anime is based on an LN, VN, Manga, or whatever else. I would still say the same thing. And seeing how I am a creative writer you're probably right in saying that maybe I should write my own stories based on those ideas. Much as I would like to the problem would be that it would end becoming fanfiction no matter hard I try, based on the thought that I sincerely believe that it deserved better, in some cases much better, than what it got. |
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| The term "Light Novel" is very triggering to me. So....yeah....please change it! |
DirectorK said: @Flannan How does bringing up the problems of LNs in general make me a bad person? I'm sure I'm not the first to have mentioned them. If I truly hated LNs and their anime adaptations I would have outright said it from the start and left it at that. But I don't, I just wish that authors would spend a little more time developing them. I know that they can be good writers but either their inexperience or their unwillingness not to pander to the market shows. For you information one of my favorite anime last year was And You Thought There Is Never a Girl Online and that's based on a LN. I also recently finished watching DanMachi and despite some gripes, such as the fanservice, I still really liked it. Some of my other favorite anime of all time are also based on LNs, such as Vampire Hunter D, The Twelve Kingdoms, and Gosick, some of which I have actually read! So what are you talking about that my complaints are all my fault? You don't know me and you don't know a thing about me so shut up. If LNs were perfectly fine the way they are then how come they're not more popular? I do like LNs and have read a fair share of them, including the ones I mentioned above, but I don't deliberately ignore its problems. No form of media is ever perfect but don't go thinking that one thing is far superior over everything else just because you really like them. That will only get you into trouble. And the authors know what they're doing? Well, maybe some do but I seriously doubt that. Otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. As for me wanting "heavy, dreary, or dark" or just a different kind of story for these LNs, for some yes but for others no. And honestly, what exactly is wrong with that? People do it all the time in fanfiction. I certainly have and I have no regrets. Is asking for better writing in an LN really too much to ask? I'm not asking for the next literature masterpiece like The Lord of the Rings, just something that would make me want to read over and over again. If J.K. Rowling had written Harry Potter in LN form I seriously doubt she would have changed the overall story or the way she had written it. Sorry, but you're letting your butthurt fanboy/fangirl side show. I understand that you really like LNs and I respect that because I do to, but don't come here calling me names and thinking that you know everything about me just because I made a thread criticizing LNs because you don't. It's not that you don't like the LNs we have. It is that you like grimdark stories like The Twelve Kingdoms. There is nothing good about grimdark and "realistic" stories. I have news for that. The author has to earn the right for his/her story to be like this by providing something else in exchange. On a related note, the book I hate the most is "The Last Ringbearer", a LotR fanfiction that makes it into a spy drama where bad guys are good and good guys are bad. A true product of the Perestroika and the traitors that brought my homeland to ruin. The story should have been about the players struggle to survive and escape their gaming nightmare with Kirito trying to save as many lives as he could. I'm sure there are already plenty of such stories. People have been trapped in everything starting from snakes and ladders clones.I am really happy that somebody made a story about games that does not demonize them! Instead of another "School/Tournament" story I would have a story that's similar to my favorite historical epic El Cid, a story about a young man who began as the kingdom's poorest knight but rose to become its greatest hero. Sure, I would have watched that one (even more eagerly than the actual story). And once again, there is no end to these kinds of stories. Seirei Tsukai no Blade Dance might be quite a good example. But more importantly, this would have nothing in common with this LN except the name. Clockwork Planet - Oh, boy. This was the most frustrating one for me last season. The whole idea of the world being transformed into a giant sized clockwork was fascinating enough to get me interested but the pacing and tone shifts were so awful and drastic at times I had to force myself to continue watching. In my honest opinion, this could have been anime's answer to both Blade Runner and Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy. The story should have been about Ryuzu becoming her own version of Batman and her quest to save the world from the underworld and corruption before meeting both Marie and Naoto, who share the same goal. If you're going to transform the entire world into clockwork, why not explore this aspect? But more importantly, I love how this story is a story of genius engineers. Not of muscle-for-brains combat robots, not of a rich guy who loves bullying criminals and supports the government, but of brainy working people like me. World's End(SukaSuka) - While Clockwork Planet had its problems, this was the biggest disappointment for me last season. A fascinating world, an interesting idea, and the potential to have a really good story got wasted because the writer(s) lost focus on what the story should have been about. To put it simply, SukaSuka suffered from focusing far too much of the love story between the two main characters and not on the bigger picture, which is the "Fairies vs. The Beasts" and it effects both them and their world. There is no end to stories like "Fairies vs The Beasts". Like that super-famous Attack on Titan. Or Strike Witches, if you prefer more cute girls. Or even Black Bullet, for maximum similarity. But a tragic story of a hero who is never strong enough to make things right, and of a world that really needs to be made right - that's something that doesn't happen everyday. DirectorK said: If LNs were perfectly fine the way they are then how come they're not more popular? LNs are ridiculously popular. More popular than anime, I've heard, at least when it comes to numbers of sales in Japan. To the point that the publishers can just throw money at anime studios and get them to adapt their LNs simply to advertise. But translating them is a lot more work, and capitalists don't like work, so you don't see as much of them in English. |
Clannad after story is based on a Visual Novel (a book that pretends to be a game), not Light Novel (a small book). |
flannan said: It's not that you don't like the LNs we have. It is that you like grimdark stories like The Twelve Kingdoms. There is nothing good about grimdark and "realistic" stories. I have news for that. The author has to earn the right for his/her story to be like this by providing something else in exchange. And I ask again, what exactly is wrong with that? So I like grim and dark stories. Big deal. I like light-hearted and positive ones too. And that doesn't apply to just LNs, it applies to everything in the media. So what exactly is your point? I agree that the author should earn his keep but these days we have too many authors among other content creators that just go by whatever the market demands because it's easier, they can make a quick buck, and they can get popular in a short period of time. I'm sure there are already plenty of such stories. People have been trapped in everything starting from snakes and ladders clones.I am really happy that somebody made a story about games that does not demonize them! And you seriously don't believe the same thing could happen in real life especially since VR Games are now starting to become a reality? Please tell me you're not that naive. There's never been a case where people have actually become trapped in a virtual reality game, YET. It could still very well happen in the future. I'm sorry, but that's a weak argument on your part. If SAO did anything right, it's that it captured the fear of that possibility perfectly in the beginning. Everything else that happened afterwards was just stupid. Sure, I would have watched that one (even more eagerly than the actual story). And once again, there is no end to these kinds of stories. Seirei Tsukai no Blade Dance might be quite a good example. But more importantly, this would have nothing in common with this LN except the name. So say that it's loosely based. It wouldn't be the first time that's happened. The film Men In Black was loosely based on the comic book of the same name. While the film was very different from the comic it still kept the basic premise and other core elements such as the neuralyzer and aliens. My idea would still keep the basic premise the original LN except it would be a medieval setting, not a modern one. If you're going to transform the entire world into clockwork, why not explore this aspect? But more importantly, I love how this story is a story of genius engineers. Not of muscle-for-brains combat robots, not of a rich guy who loves bullying criminals and supports the government, but of brainy working people like me. Because that would make a rather boring story for most anime audiences. Most anime fans are not interested in a shit ton of techno/science babble. We already get enough of that in shows concerning magic and super powers. There is no end to stories like "Fairies vs The Beasts". Like that super-famous Attack on Titan. Or Strike Witches, if you prefer more cute girls. Or even Black Bullet, for maximum similarity. But a tragic story of a hero who is never strong enough to make things right, and of a world that really needs to be made right - that's something that doesn't happen everyday. Really? Is that so? We must have been watching two completely different shows then because all I saw was a show that couldn't seem decide what it wanted to be, the main two leads being either for too emotional or are over reactive, and an ending that was more of an insult than a satisfying one because nothing changed in the world and the main characters deaths were for nothing. I am reading the LN right now so maybe that will change my opinion later on. LNs are ridiculously popular. More popular than anime, I've heard, at least when it comes to numbers of sales in Japan. To the point that the publishers can just throw money at anime studios and get them to adapt their LNs simply to advertise. But translating them is a lot more work, and capitalists don't like work, so you don't see as much of them in English. Maybe I spoke too soon on that, but that doesn't mean the problems don't exist when it comes to LNs. |
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| Not really if you ask me. Sounds too sophisticated for what they are. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
DirectorK said: flannan said: It's not that you don't like the LNs we have. It is that you like grimdark stories like The Twelve Kingdoms. There is nothing good about grimdark and "realistic" stories. I have news for that. The author has to earn the right for his/her story to be like this by providing something else in exchange. And I ask again, what exactly is wrong with that? So I like grim and dark stories. Big deal. I like light-hearted and positive ones too. And that doesn't apply to just LNs, it applies to everything in the media. So what exactly is your point? People who like grimdark for the sake of grimdark are bad people, who assume all the other people are just like them, and hence believe anything more positive to be unrealistic. DirectorK said: I agree that the author should earn his keep but these days we have too many authors among other content creators that just go by whatever the market demands because it's easier, they can make a quick buck, and they can get popular in a short period of time. This is not what I have said. In fact, I expect content creators to make content that is relevant to their audience. The best ones make stuff the audience didn't knew they wanted. DirectorK said: I'm sure there are already plenty of such stories. People have been trapped in everything starting from snakes and ladders clones.I am really happy that somebody made a story about games that does not demonize them! And you seriously don't believe the same thing could happen in real life especially since VR Games are now starting to become a reality? Please tell me you're not that naive. There's never been a case where people have actually become trapped in a virtual reality game, YET. It could still very well happen in the future. I'm sorry, but that's a weak argument on your part. If SAO did anything right, it's that it captured the fear of that possibility perfectly in the beginning. Everything else that happened afterwards was just stupid. Getting people trapped in a game was just a plot convenience to raise the stakes, because normally MMORPGs have too low stakes to keep an audience interested. I do not expect people becoming seriously trapped in the game in the near future. In fact, full-dive technology isn't very realistic yet, and anything less can't actually trap a person in a game without magic. (.hack, Overlord and Log Horizon did use magic). If you wake up one day, and find yourself trapped in a virtual reality, the most likely explanation is that you're a program emulating yourself, and you just don't have a real body to return to. DirectorK said: Sure, I would have watched that one (even more eagerly than the actual story). And once again, there is no end to these kinds of stories. Seirei Tsukai no Blade Dance might be quite a good example. But more importantly, this would have nothing in common with this LN except the name. So say that it's loosely based. It wouldn't be the first time that's happened. The film Men In Black was loosely based on the comic book of the same name. While the film was very different from the comic it still kept the basic premise and other core elements such as the neuralyzer and aliens. My idea would still keep the basic premise the original LN except it would be a medieval setting, not a modern one. In this case, the resulting anime cannot be honestly called an adaptation of the original work. Just like Fushigi no Umi no Nadia cannot be called an adaptation of Jules Verne's works. DirectorK said: If you're going to transform the entire world into clockwork, why not explore this aspect? But more importantly, I love how this story is a story of genius engineers. Not of muscle-for-brains combat robots, not of a rich guy who loves bullying criminals and supports the government, but of brainy working people like me. Because that would make a rather boring story for most anime audiences. Most anime fans are not interested in a shit ton of techno/science babble. We already get enough of that in shows concerning magic and super powers. I don't really care about "most" anime audiences. I love anime because it does a lot of things, including some things that are very much meant for people like me. Like that very Clockwork Planet. Unlike boring western shows who always pander to unwashed masses. I am an excellent person, and I deserve to have media that panders to me. More importantly, Clockwork Planet did not rely on technobabble to be fun. While its main characters are engineers solving technological problems, it relies on tension, action and other cinematic concepts to keep the viewer interested. We laugh at the repair techniques of throwing screwdrivers, ship characters, go moe over loli robots, worry about their struggle, rejoice at them sticking it to the man and stuff. Also, if you think techobabble doesn't matter, just look at all those people complaining about the plot holes in SAO because it doesn't have enough technobabble (or they were just bad listeners when it was explained). DirectorK said: There is no end to stories like "Fairies vs The Beasts". Like that super-famous Attack on Titan. Or Strike Witches, if you prefer more cute girls. Or even Black Bullet, for maximum similarity. But a tragic story of a hero who is never strong enough to make things right, and of a world that really needs to be made right - that's something that doesn't happen everyday. Really? Is that so? We must have been watching two completely different shows then because all I saw was a show that couldn't seem decide what it wanted to be, the main two leads being either for too emotional or are over reactive, and an ending that was more of an insult than a satisfying one because nothing changed in the world and the main characters deaths were for nothing. I am reading the LN right now so maybe that will change my opinion later on. LN translation is now complete, so you can learn the aftermath of their deaths, if you want. There are about 2 volumes worth of new content, as well as some expansion of the things told in the anime. That said, it is pretty obvious what kind of story Shuumatsu was trying to be. And that the authors knew what they were doing. It was meant to be an emotional and tragic story. It lets the viewer get attached to the characters, and then makes bad stuff happen to them, while letting them attempt to overcome that. Even if there is some big struggle going on, the show's focus makes it pretty obvious it's not about it. Just see how huge battles lasting for weeks remained pretty much undepicted. Because this story isn't about battles. |
flannan said: People who like grimdark for the sake of grimdark are bad people, who assume all the other people are just like them, and hence believe anything more positive to be unrealistic. And? Again, what exactly is your point? Are you implying that I'm just another one of those idiotic fanboys who keep screaming "I'm right about this! I'm right about that! Anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot!". If you really think that then you really need to get off your high horse, because again you don't know anything about me so stop acting like you do just because of a few words I said. This is not what I have said. In fact, I expect content creators to make content that is relevant to their audience. The best ones make stuff the audience didn't knew they wanted. Then we agree on something. Getting people trapped in a game was just a plot convenience to raise the stakes, because normally MMORPGs have too low stakes to keep an audience interested. I do not expect people becoming seriously trapped in the game in the near future. In fact, full-dive technology isn't very realistic yet, and anything less can't actually trap a person in a game without magic. (.hack, Overlord and Log Horizon did use magic). If you wake up one day, and find yourself trapped in a virtual reality, the most likely explanation is that you're a program emulating yourself, and you just don't have a real body to return to. So you're an expert on creative writing, finance, and video games huh? Well then, I suppose the movie Tron was a waste of time because Flynn getting trapped in the computer world only happened because of "plot convenience!". I guess we'll just have to wait and see if a video game disaster of that scale actually does happen in the future. If it doesn't, great. If it does... well, hopefully you won't have to eat your own words. In this case, the resulting anime cannot be honestly called an adaptation of the original work. Just like Fushigi no Umi no Nadia cannot be called an adaptation of Jules Verne's works. That's bullshit and you know it. You're seriously going to tell me that Men In Black, Blade Runner and even Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds are not adaptations because they don't "closely" resemble the original works? Get out of here! And using Nadia as an example of why is a poor one because it was inspired by Jules Verne's work. There's a clear difference between inspiration and adaptation buddy. I don't really care about "most" anime audiences. I love anime because it does a lot of things, including some things that are very much meant for people like me. Like that very Clockwork Planet. Unlike boring western shows who always pander to unwashed masses. I am an excellent person, and I deserve to have media that panders to me. Good for you, but you alone don't represent the entire anime audience and the media doesn't have to pander to you just because you want this to be this and that. In truth, you're no better than unwashed masses you've been criticizing. ...it is pretty obvious what kind of story Shuumatsu was trying to be. And that the authors knew what they were doing. It was meant to be an emotional and tragic story. It lets the viewer get attached to the characters, and then makes bad stuff happen to them, while letting them attempt to overcome that. Even if there is some big struggle going on, the show's focus makes it pretty obvious it's not about it. Just see how huge battles lasting for weeks remained pretty much undepicted. Because this story isn't about battles. Hate to break it you but a war drama IS a tragedy. What do you think Saving Private Ryan, We Were Soldiers, Band Of Brothers, The Pacific, or, if you want an example that doesn't feature any major battles, Empire of the Sun was all about? The stories in those films weren't just about battles. They were also about the loss of life and innocence. They showed what the characters went through and how their experiences changed them forever. In some cases, the world changed after their battle was won. No matter how you look at it and what excuse you might give, the SukaSuka anime was trying way too hard to be like Titanic, a film that focused way too much on one aspect of the story and not the bigger picture. A love story is fine and all but focus too much on it and you're going to to get people like me complaining about it for reasons I stated above. The ending is unsatisfying no matter what you say about it and we as a audience shouldn't have to rely on the LNs for a more satisfying one. The anime should have done that from the start and it didn't. Maybe if the rest of the material gets adapted in the future my opinion will change. Until then, my point still stands. I'm sorry, but all you've done is shown me just how butthurt you are over all of this. An "excellent person!"? I seriously doubt that. |
| "You talk too much. Think too much." "I don't care how justified you think your reasons are. I won't tolerate liars or thieves." "If you're not going to be nice to me, don't expect me to be nice to you." "I'm a soldier, not a superhero. Don't ever think of me as one." "The world doesn't revolve around you. Get that through your thick skull." "People who live by their emotions go nowhere in their lives. They only find misery. "If you don't like the way your life is than do something about it instead of sitting there feeling sorry for yourself." "You want something go get it. Period." |
| What's the big deal? Just wait for them to blow over. Is it annoying that we're getting like 4-5 shitshows every season from LN adaptations? Yeah, sure, but screw it. People HAVE to get bored of them at one point, so let's just wait for it. Why change the name, though? Even if they're shit, most of LNs still keep within their name. They are light reads. That's all. |
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| Calling them "concept novels" is ludicrous, the name "light novel" is appropriate, because they tend to be shorter novels meant for a light read(some of them end up being closer to regular novels tho). Also what you consider poor decision making and poor writing, most others believe the opposite, especially in Japan(where fans opinions truly matter). I also wouldn't judge an authors writing ability solely on the anime adaption of their source material, because the adaption could be poor and they could skip and change things from the original novels. |
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DirectorK said: Getting people trapped in a game was just a plot convenience to raise the stakes, because normally MMORPGs have too low stakes to keep an audience interested. I do not expect people becoming seriously trapped in the game in the near future. In fact, full-dive technology isn't very realistic yet, and anything less can't actually trap a person in a game without magic. (.hack, Overlord and Log Horizon did use magic). If you wake up one day, and find yourself trapped in a virtual reality, the most likely explanation is that you're a program emulating yourself, and you just don't have a real body to return to. So you're an expert on creative writing, finance, and video games huh? Well then, I suppose the movie Tron was a waste of time because Flynn getting trapped in the computer world only happened because of "plot convenience!". I guess we'll just have to wait and see if a video game disaster of that scale actually does happen in the future. If it doesn't, great. If it does... well, hopefully you won't have to eat your own words. I am no expert on finance, but I have quite a lot of knowledge on writing and game design. There is something wrong with you if you consider a whole movie "a waste of time" just because of one plot convenience. I consider plot convenience to be a sign of good writing. DirectorK said: In this case, the resulting anime cannot be honestly called an adaptation of the original work. Just like Fushigi no Umi no Nadia cannot be called an adaptation of Jules Verne's works. That's bullshit and you know it. You're seriously going to tell me that Men In Black, Blade Runner and even Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds are not adaptations because they don't "closely" resemble the original works? Get out of here! And using Nadia as an example of why is a poor one because it was inspired by Jules Verne's work. There's a clear difference between inspiration and adaptation buddy. If these works don't share the plot (however roughly adapted) with the originals - yes, they aren't adaptations. Anyway, your proposed changes to Rakudai, which include changing the entire setting to medieval fantasy, is surely on the level of Fushigi no Umi no Nadia. DirectorK said: I don't really care about "most" anime audiences. I love anime because it does a lot of things, including some things that are very much meant for people like me. Like that very Clockwork Planet. Unlike boring western shows who always pander to unwashed masses. I am an excellent person, and I deserve to have media that panders to me. Good for you, but you alone don't represent the entire anime audience and the media doesn't have to pander to you just because you want this to be this and that. In truth, you're no better than unwashed masses you've been criticizing. Let me re-state it: anime is such a great medium, because it makes a lot of works that are the absolute best for many (small) classes of people. One never gets this level of satisfaction with mass-market stuff meant to appeal to the whole family. It's okay that the girls and the puritans complain about ecchi anime. Ecchi anime is financed by men who like it enough to buy dakimakuras, figurines and stuff. It's okay that men complain about yaoi anime. Yaoi anime is financed by fujoshi (and some homosexual males). DirectorK said: ...it is pretty obvious what kind of story Shuumatsu was trying to be. And that the authors knew what they were doing. It was meant to be an emotional and tragic story. It lets the viewer get attached to the characters, and then makes bad stuff happen to them, while letting them attempt to overcome that. Even if there is some big struggle going on, the show's focus makes it pretty obvious it's not about it. Just see how huge battles lasting for weeks remained pretty much undepicted. Because this story isn't about battles. Hate to break it you but a war drama IS a tragedy. What do you think Saving Private Ryan, We Were Soldiers, Band Of Brothers, The Pacific, or, if you want an example that doesn't feature any major battles, Empire of the Sun was all about? The stories in those films weren't just about battles. They were also about the loss of life and innocence. They showed what the characters went through and how their experiences changed them forever. In some cases, the world changed after their battle was won. No matter how you look at it and what excuse you might give, the SukaSuka anime was trying way too hard to be like Titanic, a film that focused way too much on one aspect of the story and not the bigger picture. A love story is fine and all but focus too much on it and you're going to to get people like me complaining about it for reasons I stated above. The ending is unsatisfying no matter what you say about it and we as a audience shouldn't have to rely on the LNs for a more satisfying one. The anime should have done that from the start and it didn't. Maybe if the rest of the material gets adapted in the future my opinion will change. Until then, my point still stands. Titanic? That really famous and popular film that earned its makers a ton of money and fame? I am pretty sure its authors knew what they were doing, and did it right. Professionals agreed too - it has so many awards, Wikipedia has a separate page for them! DirectorK said: I'm sorry, but all you've done is shown me just how butthurt you are over all of this. An "excellent person!"? I seriously doubt that. People who are willing to discuss and dissent are good. People who let the wrong and the evil stay unchallenged are bad. Democracy, bitch. |
flannan said: I am no expert on finance, but I have quite a lot of knowledge on writing and game design. There is something wrong with you if you consider a whole movie "a waste of time" just because of one plot convenience. I consider plot convenience to be a sign of good writing. Alright then, let's make this easy. Do you write fanfiction by any chance? If so, send me a fanfic you've written and I'll send you one in return. Give me an honest review and I'll give you one as well. If you can prove to me that you're right on your perspective on creative writing, I'll take back everything I said. If these works don't share the plot (however roughly adapted) with the originals - yes, they aren't adaptations. Anyway, your proposed changes to Rakudai, which include changing the entire setting to medieval fantasy, is surely on the level of Fushigi no Umi no Nadia. Even if they acknowledge the original work as they often do in order to avoid plagiarism? Seems to me you have a very narrow minded view of what adaptations are. Let me re-state it: anime is such a great medium, because it makes a lot of works that are the absolute best for many (small) classes of people. One never gets this level of satisfaction with mass-market stuff meant to appeal to the whole family. It's okay that the girls and the puritans complain about ecchi anime. Ecchi anime is financed by men who like it enough to buy dakimakuras, figurines and stuff. It's okay that men complain about yaoi anime. Yaoi anime is financed by fujoshi (and some homosexual males). So Tron wasn't plot convenience but SAO was when they have similar premises? You really are contradicting yourself you know? So what exactly was your point then, considering that you made such a big issue over that? Titanic? That really famous and popular film that earned its makers a ton of money and fame? I am pretty sure its authors knew what they were doing, and did it right. Professionals agreed too - it has so many awards, Wikipedia has a separate page for them! Facepalm... Out of all things to back up that statement, you use Wikipedia? Has anyone ever told you how unreliable that site is because it's constantly being changed over and over again by people who use it and no one legitimately checks to see if the sources are accurate or not? And even if that source was legit, it still wouldn't change my opinion of why I dislike that movie. Just because Titanic was the first movie ever to obtain a billion dollars at the box office doesn't mean it's a great film. The Star Wars prequels and the Transformer movies have all had mixed receptions yet they still made a ton of money because they're freaking Star Wars and Transformers for crying out loud! Yeah, Titanic won 11 Academy Awards. Guess what? So did two other films before and after. Ben-Hur in 1959, and The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King in 2003. As someone who writes, I can tell you write you right off the bat that those two films had far superior stories than Titanic could ever hope for. That's not to say I don't believe it didn't earn some of those awards. Visually and technologically, the film was a masterpiece. Story and character-wise... not so much. Rose was just a stupid bitch who in the end turned out to be more selfish than her mother ever was and wouldn't have gotten Jack killed if she'd used her brain. Even fans who initially loved the film are beginning to say this now. Hell, here's a video about the whole thing: Jack Didn't Have to Die And if you want further proof, go on Amazon and look up a kids book called Survival! Titanic!, a short novel that not only parallels James Cameron's story, but beats it by miles because the main female lead did the one thing, the one very thing, that Rose could not do. I'll let you figure that for yourself. Go and buy the book. You can get for just over a dollar. Have you ever seen any other James Cameron film? Because I have. I grew up watching James Cameron's movies, from The Terminator to True Lies. Before Titanic he was second favorite filmmaker because he made very good stories. I was only eight when I first saw Titanic but I still remember how disappointed and pissed off I was. I will give James Cameron credit for capturing the significance of the disaster but the love story sucked. It just plain sucks. If you were compare the love story of Titanic to the James Cameron's first film The Terminator, you would find which one is superior. Terminator fans have said the film was more of a tragedy than a sci-fi flick, and they're pretty much right. Kyle Reese gave his life because Sarah Connor had to live. Jack died for nothing other than Rose's selfish desires. And don't even get me started on Avatar because in that film James Cameron didn't even try. No matter how you look at it, Avatar was nothing more than Fern Gully and Pocahontas set on a alien planet. Critics are just nobodies who get paid to say whatever they want about a movie. The audience are the real judges, not the critics. I don't care how "professional" they are. Anyone can critique a movie. People who are willing to discuss and dissent are good. People who let the wrong and the evil stay unchallenged are bad. Democracy, bitch. Hahaha. In other words, you don't mind people discussing these things with you as long as they don't argue and disagree with you. Right. You're not fooling me on that, pal. I've met too many people like you to know how much you will go out of your way just to make yourselves look more intelligent than the other. I was only asking a simple question when I posted this thread. You decided to make a big deal out of it when you didn't need to. Don't try to play the victim here with me, because I'm not buying it. |
DirectorKOct 12, 2017 6:33 PM
| "You talk too much. Think too much." "I don't care how justified you think your reasons are. I won't tolerate liars or thieves." "If you're not going to be nice to me, don't expect me to be nice to you." "I'm a soldier, not a superhero. Don't ever think of me as one." "The world doesn't revolve around you. Get that through your thick skull." "People who live by their emotions go nowhere in their lives. They only find misery. "If you don't like the way your life is than do something about it instead of sitting there feeling sorry for yourself." "You want something go get it. Period." |
DirectorK said: flannan said: I am no expert on finance, but I have quite a lot of knowledge on writing and game design. There is something wrong with you if you consider a whole movie "a waste of time" just because of one plot convenience. I consider plot convenience to be a sign of good writing. Alright then, let's make this easy. Do you write fanfiction by any chance? If so, send me a fanfic you've written and I'll send you one in return. Give me an honest review and I'll give you one as well. If you can prove to me that you're right on your perspective on creative writing, I'll take back everything I said. No, I do not write fanfiction. The most creative activity I do is GMing tabletop RPGs. I also do not feel that we share a perspective on creative writing in any shape or form, so we are bound to remain unsatisfied with each other's reviews. DirectorK said: If these works don't share the plot (however roughly adapted) with the originals - yes, they aren't adaptations. Anyway, your proposed changes to Rakudai, which include changing the entire setting to medieval fantasy, is surely on the level of Fushigi no Umi no Nadia. Even if they acknowledge the original work as they often do in order to avoid plagiarism? Seems to me you have a very narrow minded view of what adaptations are. That would be a reboot, a spin-off or something like that. Not an adaptation. DirectorK said: Let me re-state it: anime is such a great medium, because it makes a lot of works that are the absolute best for many (small) classes of people. One never gets this level of satisfaction with mass-market stuff meant to appeal to the whole family. It's okay that the girls and the puritans complain about ecchi anime. Ecchi anime is financed by men who like it enough to buy dakimakuras, figurines and stuff. It's okay that men complain about yaoi anime. Yaoi anime is financed by fujoshi (and some homosexual males). So Tron wasn't plot convenience but SAO was when they have similar premises? You really are contradicting yourself you know? So what exactly was your point then, considering that you made such a big issue over that? I have a feeling you are replying to a wrong part of my post. Also, I did not actually watch Tron, and refuse to provide judgment on shows I did not see. I suspect that diving into VR held a different meaning in Tron, but like I said, I am not familiar with the franchise. DirectorK said: Titanic? That really famous and popular film that earned its makers a ton of money and fame? I am pretty sure its authors knew what they were doing, and did it right. Professionals agreed too - it has so many awards, Wikipedia has a separate page for them! Facepalm... Out of all things to back up that statement, you use Wikipedia? Has anyone ever told you how unreliable that site is because it's constantly being changed over and over again by people who use it and no one legitimately checks to see if the sources are accurate or not? Sure, Wikipedia is unreliable. Go on and check your reliable sources if you want, Titanic will remain damn big anyway. DirectorK said: And even if that source was legit, it still wouldn't change my opinion of why I dislike that movie. Like I said, you are free to dislike the movie. After all, it's a romance movie meant for women. I didn't even watch it in the first place. It does not change the fact it was ridiculously successful, while not being a part of a franchise. If your theories on creative writing contradict practice, it means your theories are wrong. And you really sound like one of those ivory tower theorists. DirectorK said: Have you ever seen any other James Cameron film? Yes, I did watch two Terminator movies and True Lies movie. By the time Avatar hit the screens, I was too much an anime fan to bother finding a 3D movie theater. I also assume you disliked Titanic because it's meant for women (unlike Terminator), not because it was actually bad. DirectorK said: People who are willing to discuss and dissent are good. People who let the wrong and the evil stay unchallenged are bad. Democracy, bitch. Hahaha. In other words, you don't mind people discussing these things with you as long as they don't argue and disagree with you. Right. You're not fooling me on that, pal. I've met too many people like you to know how much you will go out of your way just to make yourselves look more intelligent than the other. Actually, I enjoy a good discussion. I feel frustrated when the two sides fail to understand each other, but I do enjoy discussing things with people who disagree with me but remain civil. DirectorK said: I was only asking a simple question when I posted this thread. You decided to make a big deal out of it when you didn't need to. Don't try to play the victim here with me, because I'm not buying it. You asked a silly question and received a silly answer. |
| >You based LN as Generic ones (I mean there are few tho) Ahmm nani sore? |
-HippySnob-Oct 13, 2017 12:30 AM
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flannan said: No, I do not write fanfiction. The most creative activity I do is GMing tabletop RPGs. I also do not feel that we share a perspective on creative writing in any shape or form, so we are bound to remain unsatisfied with each other's reviews. Uh huh. In other words, you've never actually sat down and wrote a full story from start to finish. Therefore, you don't know what creative writing is or what makes a good story despite your claims on being an expert. That would be a reboot, a spin-off or something like that. Not an adaptation. Like the Star Trek reboot and Fate/Kaleid spin-off? Those were deliberately designed to be like that. An adaptation is an adaptation no matter how close or loose it is to the original work whether you like it or not. I have a feeling you are replying to a wrong part of my post. Also, I did not actually watch Tron, and refuse to provide judgment on shows I did not see. I suspect that diving into VR held a different meaning in Tron, but like I said, I am not familiar with the franchise. Well, maybe if you actually took the time to do some research instead of having knee jerk reactions and spouting your mouth over a few words someone else said you wouldn't have that problem. Sure, Wikipedia is unreliable. Go on and check your reliable sources if you want, Titanic will remain damn big anyway. Did I ever say that it wasn't? Like I said, you are free to dislike the movie. After all, it's a romance movie meant for women. I didn't even watch it in the first place. It does not change the fact it was ridiculously successful, while not being a part of a franchise. If your theories on creative writing contradict practice, it means your theories are wrong. And you really sound like one of those ivory tower theorists. Here's a couple of ideas. Why don't you watch that video I posted then go watch the movie yourself? Then maybe you'll understand why I dislike a certain part of that movie instead of making bullshit claims. And as for my "Theories" that's basic writing 101, something I don't think you ever learned. Yes, I did watch two Terminator movies and True Lies movie. By the time Avatar hit the screens, I was too much an anime fan to bother finding a 3D movie theater. I also assume you disliked Titanic because it's meant for women (unlike Terminator), not because it was actually bad. Oh, so now you're going to play the sexist card on me huh? You know, for someone who claims to be very intelligent you're not really impressing me much. Did you even read the reason why I disliked Titanic? Or the part earlier where I said that a war drama is tragedy? Because I don't think you did. In James Cameron's defense, I understand why he choose to put in a love story. He was doing a movie, not a documentary. But the love story he wrote was awful, plain and simple. And if I was anything like that, then Sailor Moon wouldn't be my number favorite anime of all time. Actually, I enjoy a good discussion. I feel frustrated when the two sides fail to understand each other, but I do enjoy discussing things with people who disagree with me but remain civil. That's human nature, pal, something that will never change no matter what age we live in. Get used to the fact that not everyone is going to have the same opinion as you do. You asked a silly question and received a silly answer. No, you only thought I asked a silly question and you decided to give a silly answer. I'm not the one who started this whole by saying that I'm a bad person just because I don't view LNs the same way as you. Just as actions has consequences, words bring responses. Deal with it. |
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| Garbage novel is a better term op. Lmao |
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| I think they should be called porn novels or trash novels. |
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