| Seeing the amount of rating threads emerged lately, I want to ask on why these people are so insecure. |
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| They fell for the objective meme and think ratings go beyond personal enjoyment. |
| I don't know. It is a bit silly. I guess for a lot people it's a personal thing, and they like to either: 1) Be in an echo chamber or have people validate their claims 2) Not feel like they have bad taste, or give people the impression of that (even though taste is subjective and different for everyone, so there really isn't anything like bad-taste. Different people like different things, and that's common sense.) 3) Just feel insecure about what they think. The whole idea is a bit silly. You watch to enjoy, and you generally, unless you are a critic or something who's job it is to critically rate something (taking into account more thematic things, like plot, story, character, development, visual devices, characterisation, messages, etc), a rating is what you thought of it, and how much you enjoyed it. It's silly to quibble or argue pointlessly about it because me giving a show a 7, and someone else giving the same thing, say a 5 or something, those two things do not really affect the other, be it maybe except for your ego or something. Having a proper discussion about fine, feeling insecure about your choice though, is silly. Long story short, people feel insecure of their opinions and thoughts, and judgements others may make based on those thoughts, and thus look for an echo chamber or validation for their thoughts, allowing their ego to think, 'Yes, I rated it correctly", and fail to realise that in reality, few people really give a hoot about it. In essence, the whole worrying about it is silly to be honest, at least in my opinion. |
| Fiat justitia ruat cælum (Let justice be done though the heavens may fall) この世界は素晴らしいけど、たくさんバカことがあるよ。。。悲しいね?(This world is wonderful, but full of stupid things. Sad, isn't it?) Find me on AniList |
| I'm going to guess it's an internal conflict over wanting to voice their opinions on shows but also maintaining as much anonymity as physically possible. So they obsess over the potential image ratings give them or use them as a gauge to measure other people. So when it doesn't match up with their system exactly they panic and go straight to the forums to try and reaffirm that their system is in fact the proper one. |
GamerDLMJan 19, 2017 10:13 PM
| we need a rating revolution which will secure ratings for all MAL users in need |
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| Some people try to rate objectively (by plot, characters, etc...) but tend to think their opinion is wrong and that they rated a show more/less high than it deserves (which is stupid. This objective rating system only serves it's purpouse if you know about what makes quality in anime.) Also, there are people who think that because they're rating by enjoyment, they're wrong, which I have to say it's not. Along with them, there are people who think their enjoyment aka taste is bad when taste is a very subjective fact. It is true that any kind of fiction (books, novels, movies, shorts, videogames, animes...) is objectively good or bad but that doesn't mean you have to love/hate something good/bad. |
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Darek said: Shitposting again You huh? @SuzuMine-chan u forgot about people like you who think that something as objectively good/bad exist while the words good and bad themselves require subjectivity. Objectivity reqires facts, facts are neither good nor bad, a plot hole is fact but saying that it is a big plot hole is subjective because to say something is bad/big you need comparison because nothing is good/bad/big on its own and it has to be in comparison to something, so it is only good/bad from your perspecive, therefore it is subjective. I almost shitposts on daily basis bruh. romagia said: Yeah! Secure them at all costs!we need a rating revolution which will secure ratings for all MAL users in need |
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| After a while I realized I wasn't even sure why I was rating things in the first place, so I stopped rating things. |
| Avatar character is Gabriel from Gabriel DropOut. |
| I am not insecure but am biased though...plus there are all kind of people in MAL |
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| People are salty because they think when others see and point out flaws in things they watch, it automatically devalues them. |
| I just go by the philosophy of "rate however you want". I don't care whether you rate out of enjoyment or you rate based on characters, OST, story, etc. The way I see it, there's no right way to rate an anime besides "be honest". Also, don't feel shame in liking an anime everyone hates, or disliking an anime everyone loves. All opinions are subjective and valid, and everyone's entitled to their own opinions on whether or not an anime is good or bad. |
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You said: Seeing the amount of rating threads emerged lately, I want to ask on why these people are so insecure. I don't let my security and sense of self-awesomeness get in the way of a good argument. And I suppose a lot of other people are like that too. Arguing can be fun. And ratings is just a case of several major ideological conflicts. Is the whole more than the sum of its parts? "Rate by enjoyment" people say yes! |
| That's nothing new, tbh. Threads tend to get recycled from time to time (just look at the loli threads). |
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| People are insecure about their ratings? Then they should just beg people with better taste to rate for them. Such as yours truly. |
| Be thankful for the wisdom granted to you. |
| The irony in this thread. I think it's less about questioning others and criticising them, but more of looking and understanding others as well as explaining the way you rate. |
| If your favourite character is Tsutsukakushi Tsukiko, you are my soul mate. Been a long time since I've been here, I'll continue expressing myself freely and believe everyone should too. My MAL Interview |
| Well.. you know.. "kids"... Eh wait, I am a kid too!! xD |
| This salad is salty favored |
| That happens when the first anime they had seen is shit. |
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Darek said: But, well, if objectively good/bad doesn't exist, are you saying one person can say that Superman 64 is a good game and it won't be wrong? There are a list of facts that make something good or bad, but this facts is what are subjective. For example, I can say SAO is a great anime, it has lovely animation. Buuuut, loking at its story... It's not that true.Shitposting again You huh? @SuzuMine-chan u forgot about people like you who think that something as objectively good/bad exist while the words good and bad themselves require subjectivity. Objectivity reqires facts, facts are neither good nor bad, a plot hole is fact but saying that it is a big plot hole is subjective because to say something is bad/big you need comparison because nothing is good/bad/big on its own and it has to be in comparison to something, so it is only good/bad from your perspecive, therefore it is subjective. So, what is subjective is not the fact that objectively good or bad exist, is the way you can say that something is good or bad. At least, that's what I think. You can disagree with me as much as you want. |
SuzuMine-chanJan 20, 2017 4:40 AM
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Darek said: Yeaaaaaah..... Sorry, i'm popular in my school due to my shitty explanations...SuzuMine-chan said: But, well, if objectively good/bad doesn't exist, are you saying one person can say that Superman 64 is a good game and it won't be wrong? Yes, opinions can't really be wrong, facts on which some opinions/arguments are based on can however be proven wrong. There are a list of facts that make something good or bad, but this facts is what are subjective. For example, I can say SAO is a great anime, it has lovely animation. Buuuut, loking at its story... It's not that true. Well, that is hard to answer since I am not even sure what you mean, I think I agree but kinda don't? I mean to me: Fact is a fact, you can't just disprove it easily, even the facts such as plot holes can be disproven since we as humans are not perfect and we can always miss out something. Opinions can be based on facts but they are still subjective unless you exclude all emotions and opinions such as bad o good it is subjective since it belongs in the eye of the beholder. So, what is subjective is not the fact that objectively good or bad exist, is the way you can say that something is good or bad. At least, that's what I think. You can disagree with me as much as you want. I could disagree or even agree but I have no idea what you mean. I mean that to arrive to an "objective rating" we have to follow a series of facts (animation, story, characters...). But, those facts are subjective, because people can think that animation is the most important fact or story is more important. And not only that, some people may even think every character has to have a role. With all of this you are adding subjective facts to something you pretend to be objective. So, yeah, I can finally say I agree with you. Even the objective opinion is subjective because it's based in subjective things. But, there's a thing I still disagree... Just because there's nothing perfect that doesn't mean it's an excuse to plot holes (at least, a lot of them). One plot hole is pretty normal, because there's nothing perfect. But, let's say, some show even forgets what happened when it started, making something that it's so illogical or out of characters that no one even argue when it's said to be shit (Idk if you will understand...). Having plot holes makes everything to be lesser good, no matter your subjective opinion is. BUT, having plot holes is a good thing, not to the viewer but to the creator. From fails you learn, u know what I mean. |
SuzuMine-chanJan 20, 2017 5:27 AM
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Darek said: Ups, I understood that in the wrong way, sorry about that! :p Yeah, it's true that plot holes are not always really plot holes and to see if it's really a plot hole we have to rewatch it, at least, that's what I doSuzuMine-chan said: Yeaaaaaah..... Sorry, i'm popular in my school due to my shitty explanations... I mean that to arrive to an "objective rating" we have to follow a series of facts (animation, story, characters...). But, those facts are subjective, because people can think that animation is the most important fact or story is more important. And not only that, some people may even think every character has to have a role. With all of this you are adding subjective facts to something you pretend to be objective. So, yeah, I can finally say I agree with you. Even the objective opinion is subjective because it's based in subjective things. But, there's a thing I disagree... Just because there's nothing perfect that doesn't mean it's an excuse to plot holes (at least, a lot of them). One plot hole is pretty normal, because there's nothing perfect. But, let's say, some show even forgets what happened when it started, making something that it's so illogical or out of characters that no one even argue when it's said to be shit (Idk if you will understand...). Having plot holes makes everything to be lesser good, no matter your subjective opinion is. BUT, having plot holes is a good thing, not to the viewer but to the creator. From fails you learn, u know what I mean. lmao but yeah glad we agree. By humans are not perfect I did not mean it as an excuse for plot holes, I mean that sometimes what you think is a plot hole may not really be a plot hole and as human you can miss a detail that answer the question you thought was missing. P.D: Yes, i'm glad too, i prefer to agree with people than disagree |
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| Ratings have become a status symbol for people to make comparisons that lead to discrimination. If I see a person who has a different opinion about a show I love, I'd rather engage in discussion about it rather than showing off each other's ratings and exchange sarcastic comments. |
| I more or less stopped rating shows, because i just can't remember exactly how good the previous ones were and i can't quite compare them to newer ones so i can't even properly rate new shows based on my enjoyment, at this point i mostly only rate shows that i really enjoy and think they need more exposure, or ones that i'm really disappointment by (terrible adaptations) |
| Because they get upset when their favorites get low scores and they feel the urge to vent it out in their own respective threads. |
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| As someone who just created a rating thread, why don't You tell us why you're so insecure? |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
Pullman said: As someone who just created a rating thread, why don't You tell us why you're so insecure? Because there used to be some person who commented on me "shit taste", and I go "muh feelings" so I have to learn more about chinese cartoons so that people won't be triggered if I like Queens Blade 2nd season or Black Bullet. |
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Faederwulf said: But if there is someone who likes it incorherent and likes it it's not objective, since he just changed that perception on what can be looked as good or not, it's all subjective with art and literary works, but MAYBE except for Animation where that counts with how much it movesdevinder said: They fell for the objective meme and think ratings go beyond personal enjoyment. It's a degree of both, really. If something is completely incoherent, it's objectively terrible. |
| Sup... |
| Because they don't have a logical system to rate they can't feel secure about it. |
| A curve including all entries should be of a gaussian form. One including limited entries by picking animes you liked and not rating animes you dropped should look like mine. Amount of total animes each rating should have (percentages): 6-25,7-15,8-6,9-3,10-1  |
| Maybe they just want new friends lol :] |
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Faederwulf said: SenpaiJay98 said: But if there is someone who likes it incorherent and likes it it's not objective, since he just changed that perception on what can be looked as good or not, it's all subjective with art and literary works, but MAYBE except for Animation where that counts with how much it moves If someone is an incoherent person, and they like incoherent series, that's nothing but evidence of their terrible taste. Sure, it's good to them, but that means nothing - because that is subjective. An anime, manga, book, etc. can all be moulded into something of objective quality, even if some of it's quality is subjective. You certainly wouldn't buy a blunt, chipped and brittle sword from a man and say that "the quality is subjective", so why would entertainment mediums be different? Faederwulf said: That's why I some of it can be Objective like Raw animationSenpaiJay98 said: But if there is someone who likes it incorherent and likes it it's not objective, since he just changed that perception on what can be looked as good or not, it's all subjective with art and literary works, but MAYBE except for Animation where that counts with how much it moves If someone is an incoherent person, and they like incoherent series, that's nothing but evidence of their terrible taste. Sure, it's good to them, but that means nothing - because that is subjective. An anime, manga, book, etc. can all be moulded into something of objective quality, even if some of it's quality is subjective. You certainly wouldn't buy a blunt, chipped and brittle sword from a man and say that "the quality is subjective", so why would entertainment mediums be different? |
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Faederwulf said: IDK about that fam lol, because Objectively is more a universal concept rather than what rules us Humans make and depict of itSenpaiJay98 said: That's why I some of it can be Objective like Raw animation Art is also somewhat objective. Typical Renaissance art, for example, is objectively better than the "works" of Andy Warhol, who is a pretentious twat. |
| Sup... |
| NUMBERS ARE EVERYTHING. WORDS ARE MEANINGLESS. |
| Why are you so insecure about people insecure about ratings? |
49er477 said: Why are you so insecure about people insecure about ratings? People who rate things certain ways have offended people, and people who are offended by people who rate things in certain ways have offended people, and people who are offended by people who are offended by people who rate things in certain ways have offended people, and ... It's just like people going on long angry rants about "special snowflakes" being "triggered" by stuff, who seem to lack mirrors in their houses. |
| Avatar character is Gabriel from Gabriel DropOut. |
| People want to believe that they are either: A): In the right, and by in the right, I mean be in the crowd and able to look down on, or at least question, those who are not in the crowd. or B): Trying to be a special snowflake and look down on, or at least question, those who are in the crowd. |
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