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Jul 28, 2016 10:30 AM
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It's one of those traits people talk about when praising certain shows and I was wondering what the people of MAL thinks about it.
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Jul 28, 2016 10:34 AM
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I don't'care about realism but more about plausibility, believability, coherence and consistency. The amount of each depends on the show.
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Jul 28, 2016 10:38 AM
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Depends on the show. Sometimes having realistic animation is better than non realistic, huge eye characters. For a serious anime, I want a more realistic design. Realistic plots are often unrealistic in their own way (for example, Koi Kaze is a more realistic incest anime than Kiss x Sis, but it is also unrealistic in several ways). Anime with real spots from places are typically good anime (Monster, Clannad, etc.), but sometimes the better the fantasy world, the better the rating (Shinsekai Yori). So long as the anime's good, the rating stays good. Realism doesn't really matter. Unrealistic anime like Death Note are very good compared to some realistic anime. I often like anime where people have relatable thoughts, no matter how realistic or crazy.
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zal said:
I don't'care about realism but more about plausibility, believability, coherence and consistency. The amount of each depends on the show.

^Exactly this. Couldn't have worded it better myself
Jul 28, 2016 10:43 AM
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Depends on the context of the series. Obviously I'm not looking for realism in say, Bananya. But a more dramatic/meant to be realistic show will have its score affected by realism.
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Jul 28, 2016 10:49 AM
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I generally don't let it affect negatively my appreciation of the show at all but it's certainly true that it can add a lot for, say the romance genre. I wouldn't like Maison Ikkoku half as much as I do right now if it weren't for the character and relationship growth that mirror so well what many people (including me) actually live(d) through IRL.
Jul 28, 2016 10:54 AM
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yeah as other said it's highly dependent on the series.

since there's a lot of anime which delves into fantasy & sci-fi, then it's more about whether or not the anime follows the rules it sets out for its own universe. i can't stand anime which contradicts itself or the writers forgot about what they said in previous episodes, and i guess that would count as "realism," in its own way, or more so plausible deniability.
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Jul 28, 2016 10:56 AM
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As long as you don't complain about the sky shots ooops....
Jul 28, 2016 10:58 AM
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I just rate depending how I feel about the anime. There's only one I've rated bad so far, and no offense, it was Clannad. I feel like other anime's I've watched intrigued my interest far better than Clannad. If I feel like it was an anime like none other I'll maybe rate it 9/10 or 10/10 stars, but I've yet to do so.
Jul 28, 2016 11:41 AM

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realism and animation dont go together. Animation is largely about exaggeration.

I like when shows are consistent.
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Jul 28, 2016 11:53 AM

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I'm more worried about how a show follows its own logic since most show are about fantasy stuff. I guess in term of how a character reacts to things can be affected but realism but it ain't that important overall.
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No realism! I want to escape cruel reality and drown into the drean world of anime ¤_¤
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Affects it by the value of -infinity. Understand that how you will.
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I don't really care about realism. If it's there, it's there. If it's not, it's not. The only type of show I won't watch if it's realistic is hentai. I mean, the whole reason I watch hentai instead of regular porn is so that I don't have to feel that pain in my heart telling me I'm still a virgin and that the people on the screen are two more people I know aren't.
Jul 28, 2016 2:17 PM

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I love magic themed anime and so, but I think realism in human behaviour is very important.

I don't care if the plot is about something fictional in some fictional place and the characters use sobrenatural powers. But I want the characters act and evolve in a realistic way. I like to empathize with them.

Well, I am a pessimistic person, so it isn't bad if there are some unrealistic elements (like happy endings, previsible plots, etc.).
Jul 28, 2016 3:46 PM

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It depends on how seriously the show decides to take itself.
If it's going for a much darker or overall much more realistic feel, then yes, logic should resemble that of real life.

As for more whakier, over the top series, what's important is coherency and consistency.
Jul 28, 2016 3:47 PM

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Well, lately, I've been checking to see if characters actually blink. If they don't, I find myself a bit annoyed.
Jul 28, 2016 4:06 PM

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Hope I'm not the only one who misread the title as "How much does realism affect you enjoyment of asses"

I'm sure 'realism' can affect certain peoples enjoyment to several degrees, though generally from nitpicking and stuff like why does this character have no nose, a real person couldn't do that, etc.

I don't feel realism is completely necessary as anime, well, it's fiction, at least realism towards the real life. What is necessary is knowing the limits and capabilities of a the world of the specific series, so that things don't feel like asspulls or plotholes. Sometimes it feels weird when a show introduces something new different from the current norm of the show, making it feel off.

Example would be Kuroko's Basketball where it started off simple with character abilities and Kuroko's being the only one really 'fictional' but then it starts getting superpowery all of a sudden which just felt off as it had felt like the show had already set its standards but in actually didn't til other ridiculous 'skills' were shown.

And another example would be Saki, where the first season was mostly normal majhjong... then it turned into a full on battle mahjong show with superpowers like seeing the future and whatnot.
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It depends on the show of course, I usually don't care about it but dislike too much nonsense. Except for stuff like FLCL or Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo where nonsense is what makes them great.
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First thing first, I think we have to make the difference between realism as something that sticks to *our* reality and realism that sticks to the show's own universe.

I think that rating-wise, the first point is basically irrelevant. The best example I can find is that little sentence we find at the beginning of a lot of manga that goes along the lines of ''this is a work of fiction, any resemblance with actual events, characters is pure coincidence''.
What makes us watch anime is the show, the story, the characters, the animation, the enjoyment or whatever other reason. And also to escape our daily routine, get it more colorful. If we wanted anime to stick our reality well everything would get a lot more boring.
Imagine Shokugeki no Souma or Yakitate Japan without all those extravagant reaction. It could be good but it would loose some interest, right ?
And strictly speaking, it would also mean that a lot of shows such as space operas or fantasy world would be 'no good' just because these two don't exist in our actual world, thus they wouldn't be realistic.

What DO matter is the show's own credibility, coherence and how it's universe is able to stand on its own. Each show have its own specification. Those specification decides if one element is realistic to the universe or not.
Though, I actually hate rating, I would say the appearance of elements that shouldn't be there is an important thing to take in account while rating. Those can, but not necessarily, change the rating, but it will depend on how disturbing/unnatural (again, to the show) it is (plotholes basically being the worst).
But, in terms of enjoyment, it kinda doesn't matter. If it's not too bothersome, it's fine, there is a couple of other things to concentrate on. And sometimes it can even get really funny and add some enjoyment where there isn't necessarily (mainly thinking about a bunch of ecchi).
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Not at all. If realism did affect how I graded anime, then almost all would be 1's.
Like, you're not going to see some giant yellow Octupus as a teacher, or giant humanoid creatures eating humans..
Jul 29, 2016 1:07 AM

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"how much" is a weird way to ask it.


BUUUT anyway i think the most important part is it's likelihood in the context of the series duh
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Jul 29, 2016 1:08 AM

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If I'm watching a show for realism, then the more the merrier. But I don't want realism in something like Gurren Lagann; that would just ruin it.
Jul 29, 2016 1:11 AM

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It's more about whether the situation, decision, reaction-etc- are consistent/logical or not.
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>How much does *realism* affect how you rate/enjoy/assess a series?
1) The one aspect of realism I like a lot is sci-fi hardness. I can live without it, but I enjoy it a lot.
Particularly bad mistakes in science (like Geneshaft's genetically determined "reflexes") take away from my enjoyment.

2) The one aspect of "realism" I hate is people being bastards in general. In reality, I have met quite a number of good people. Is Japan that much worse than my town, or was the authors' life really bad?
For example, why were people so mean to Kotoura-san?

3) I enjoy good worldbuilding. Even if the result is nothing like our world, it can be fun.
For example, I'm pretty sure the authors if Strike Witches started their work from an artwork of titular mecha-musume. And they went on to imagine a world where they would make sense - with enemy strong enough that people are forced to rely on magical teenage girls to do most of the fighting, with women not wearing skirts around the world, with magic powerful enough to plug all the holes in the idea of actually using mecha-musume, with magic fickle enough to make teenage girls the most powerful magic-users...

4) I don't enjoy it when the authors allow realism and worldbuilding get in the way of fun.
Sure, JSDF will probably walk over any medieval army, even if it was reinforced with wyverns. But Gate would be a lot more fun if the fantasy people had some decent ability to oppose JSDF. You know, kinda like in that 3D movie Avatar, where primitive aliens did manage to win over futuristic human space invaders.

Mouretsu Uchuu Kaizoku had the kind of realism I like. At one point, a bunch of cosplaying schoolgirls boarded a passenger ship and robbed it. Because of adult circumstances. And it worked. And it made perfect sense.
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zal said:
I don't'care about realism but more about plausibility, believability, coherence and consistency. The amount of each depends on the show.


This about sums it up. So long as the anime is consistent in its own logic, it doesn't have to be realistic in our own world. Although there are limits to my suspension of disbelief.
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I don't care about realism like I care about believability. What's reality? No one has access to true reality, after all. Fiction is a subjective portrayal of reality.

I need the story to be believable. For that, the subjective portrait needs to either explore its ideas deeply or present many viewpoints. The characters need to feel alive - to have a personality, wants and needs or their own. The world needs to feel like it has more than the story I'm witnessing.

You achieve the latter not by piling on details, but showing other stories that happen simultaneously. You don't have to conclude them. Just pick details that point to something else, and let me wonder how it works.
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Jul 29, 2016 3:20 AM

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Anime isn't real.

Everything is dramatic because that's the point of animation.

The character's and story definitely. Not action or fanservice, I like my boobs and explosions.
Jul 29, 2016 3:26 AM

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People who demand realism in their fiction fail to understand one of the best things about fiction.
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Realism does not affect me that much, But there is a limit to how unrealistic one anime can get.
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JkayW said:
Anime isn't real.

Everything is dramatic because that's the point of animation.

The character's and story definitely. Not action or fanservice, I like my boobs and explosions.
Sooooo, re:zero is bad because it lacks boobs and explosion?

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People who demand realism in their fiction fail to understand one of the best things about fiction.

when people talk about realism, it's obvious that they talk about this
plausibility, believability, coherence and consistency. The amount of each depends on the show.


EDIT: oh you should mention Re:zero fanboi here too, they like their "muh (fallacy)realistic sufferu character"
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Nashila said:
JkayW said:
Anime isn't real.

Everything is dramatic because that's the point of animation.

The character's and story definitely. Not action or fanservice, I like my boobs and explosions.
Sooooo, re:zero is bad because it lacks boobs and explosion?


EDIT: oh you should mention Re:zero fanboi here too, they like their "muh (fallacy)realistic sufferu character"


Re:Zero is bad because it lacks any sort of substance and depth. Everything is cliche, dumb and overdone. If you take it as a cheap average fantasy thriller that's fine but don't say it's a good DeEEEP DeCoNsTrUcTiOn of FaNtASY and Critiquing Light NOVELS.
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JkayW said:
Nashila said:
Sooooo, re:zero is bad because it lacks boobs and explosion?


EDIT: oh you should mention Re:zero fanboi here too, they like their "muh (fallacy)realistic sufferu character"


Re:Zero is bad because it lacks any sort of substance and depth. Everything is cliche, dumb and overdone. If you take it as a cheap average fantasy thriller that's fine but don't say it's a good DeEEEP DeCoNsTrUcTiOn of FaNtASY and Critiquing Light NOVELS.
IT'S DEEP DECONSTRUCTION OF FANTASY AND CRITIQUING LIGHT NOVELS.
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zal said:
I don't'care about realism but more about plausibility, believability, coherence and consistency. The amount of each depends on the show.

That is correct
btw nice work put into your list/favs, but you lack Mushishi and Digibro bashes it like every second line, guess youre on the more serious, not relaxed elitists side :)


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I won't complain as long as the story and the actions of the characters are believable, within the rules set by the anime. But I do prefer when characters feel like actual people with layered personalities, instead of being defined by a couple of traits. It adds even more to the whole believability aspect.
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zal said:
I don't'care about realism but more about plausibility, believability, coherence and consistency. The amount of each depends on the show.

That is correct
btw nice work put into your list/favs, but you lack Mushishi and Digibro bashes it like every second line, guess youre on the more serious, not relaxed elitists side :)
There were more than 10 shows so I put those that I could in the manga list so my taste is the peak of boredom. ;)
Also I'd like to know how do having these particular shows make me an elitist? (Feel free to take the question seriously because I am looking for an answer)
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Not at all? If people want realism... why the hell are they watching animation rather than live-action?

Though, I suppose it does depend on the anime. If it's trying to go for a realistic tone, and then suddenly does something unrealistic, it can be very jarring.
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zal said:
Dishonest said:

That is correct
btw nice work put into your list/favs, but you lack Mushishi and Digibro bashes it like every second line, guess youre on the more serious, not relaxed elitists side :)
There were more than 10 shows so I put those that I could in the manga list so my taste is the peak of boredom. ;)
Also I'd like to know how do having these particular shows make me an elitist? (Feel free to take the question seriously because I am looking for an answer)


It doesn't. Elitism is about attitude, something the MAL community has forgotten.

I don't care about realism but the setting can't break its own "rules" so to speak if it wants the story it's trying to community to be taken seriously.
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Not at all, anime is basically cartoons and many series have a fantasy or sci-fi twist to them anyway so i don't expect anime to be very realistic.
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I don't care about realism unless that's the setting of the show like Rakugo, and even then I can suspend my disbelief for certain things. Otherwise, I just want characters to act in a way that makes some kind of sense and hopefully the world is consistent.
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Doesn't matter if it's realistic if it's not entertaining...NUFF SAID!!!
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It's not as much about being the premise being realistic but more about human characters displaying believable human behaviour. Of course that if the premise is going for a realistic setting or going for a realistic concept, then realism is one of the things that should be considered when analysing it.
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I like when characters have real human emotions and reactions in an irl setting and in fantasy settings but the only shows that don't have those are rated low anyways so. And it doesn't control my whole rating system or viewpoint on anime either. I still like shows like One Punch Man but I prefer the simple depth in characters like in My Hero Academia or HxH.
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It depends on the anime, for example if a show is trying to portray a more realistic setting, sure realism is something we need to have in consideration. But if not then i don't much care about it.
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It's anime, realism doesn't matter.


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consistency creates realism imo ..
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I don't really think much about realism when watching something but it does depend on the series.

I enjoy when characters react in a believable fashion but that doesn't make or break a series for me.

My most important factors are how the story is portrayed/conveyed to the audience and how the characters develop throughout the story. If something is really abstract but has a great story and characters than I will most likely enjoy it.
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zal said:
I don't'care about realism but more about plausibility, believability, coherence and consistency. The amount of each depends on the show.


This right here is just about what I care about.
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If realism affecting rating, even that pinky blush would drop a score lol. xD
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about as much as raelism
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