| I wouldn't say it happens so often.. most second seasons are rated higher on mal. Unless you're talking about how second seasons sell less than the original almost by default, so there's probably less incentive to do a good show, because fairweather fans which only bought the 1st cause it was hip and square will not buy the second, and huge fans will buy the second regardless of quality (see: Haruhi s2, which should be the poster child of disappointing sequels, instead of SAO, Psycho Piss, and Tokyo Ghoul imo). |
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| How can you expect the second season of SAO to succeed at first place when it was a failure in 1st season itself :3 |
| SAO was bad in the first place, second season didn't change anything on that. Psycho Pass didn't brought anything new to the table, but was still watchable overall . Other shows, hard to say, it's case by case |
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| @beast_regards i really missed kogame in second season :( |
| Well, say the first season of said anime was succesful(let's just not talk about SAO now okay children?), so for the second season they don't want to keep it the same because they're afraid that the audience would find the same stuff again boring.On the other hand they don't want to risk changing too much so the result is this overly carefully put together pile of shite that looks like the creators had no specific goal in mind. |
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| Yup only by the fans. .................................................... |
I didn't feel he should be there, to be honest. He was kinda mentor figure in the first season |
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| Is hard to write a long good story you should finish it before it turn to shit |
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| it is not fail. it just because 'veteran' says it bad and influence us :D |
| Most second seasons of shows are actually rated higher. It is more of a case by case scenario than it seems. For those shows that do get worse over the second season it could be because of lack of new ideas, straying too far away from what made the first season great, rushing to finish the entire rest of the story during the length of the second season etc. Many shows don't even get a season 2 and when they do it's often because the first season had enough support to justify it (thus when season 2 comes out more fans and less first time viewers watch which means higher average rating). |
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Kendai98 said: so was bieber's first album :^) :^) :^)RoyTF said: How can you expect the second season of SAO to succeed at first place when it was a failure in 1st season itself :3 The first season was a hit. ................................................. |
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| The second season of Log Horizon was bad. If my memory serves me right, it's a different company who made the second season. As for Darker than Black, the first season was awesome but everything else after was bad. |
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| You'll lose impact with sequels since people already know what to expect from the show. That, and also it's very likely that the author will run out of ideas for the story over time But this is in no way an absolute rule and generalizing is stupid |
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| Many anime rely too much on a particular great idea. In many cases great idea can only last for a season. For example if the whole thing is based too much on one big mystery/plot twist (e.g., Psycho-Pass) then there is not much left after the story deals with it. Same thing can happen if the anime relies too much on a great character. Eventually the character will have to develop (change) to prevent being repetitive/boring. And if the character was initially great, it is much bigger chance that it will develop into something not-so-great. Most of the anime that have successful multiple seasons put a strong focus on the specific world/setting (e.g., Ghost in the Shell: SAC, Monogatari series, Black Lagoon, Space Dandy, etc.). If you have a very interesting world/setting, it is much easier to keep the audience engaged even with not-so-great plot/characters. |
man_of_cultureJul 23, 2016 10:34 AM
RoyTF said: How can you expect the second season of SAO to succeed at first place when it was a failure in 1st season itself :3 beast_regards said: SAO was bad in the first place, second season didn't change anything on that. Psycho Pass didn't brought anything new to the table, but was still watchable overall . Other shows, hard to say, it's case by case I'm pretty sure op was talking about the series being very popular in the first season but not in the second season. Sao was a hit in its first season and that's a fact! Now the quality of the series is a different story and we are going into subjective territory. To op question, I don't think it happen often but, I think the novelty of it being a fresh new thing will be gone by time the new season airs. |
keragamming said: I'm pretty sure op was talking about the series being very popular in the first season but not in the second season. Sao was a hit in its first season and that's a fact! Now the quality of the series is a different story and we are going into subjective territory. SAO was over-hyped first season, which can translate as popular. Or a hit, if you like, so true. But it was equally over-hyped the second season, so no change from that perspective either. It still is and have a a lot of fans, that's the reason we are having this conversation in the first place. |
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| Its like movies. Its hard to follow up with something that's better then the first. its almost the same as making a new anime but you have lore and characters already there. most of the time I find with second seasons is that they struggle to grab a better story to make it more entertaining for someone that has watched the first and now has high hopes for the second. Or just fails completely and doesn't explain whats going on well and misses parts out altogether. |
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| Because the first season usually has all the best ideas of the anime. |
| Well sequels usually suck right? I think it's a common sense Ghostbusters, Terminator, Hangover, etc I honestly thought that psycho pass season 2 is better than the first one or at least far more enjoyable for me, idk why so much hate :/ |
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| so many SAO haters, i guess when something is veru popular it recieves the most haters. SAO was a big hit, it was popular and liked by many people, the second season was just as much hyped but onlu for the ones who really enjoyed the first season wanted to watch teh second season, teh haters avoided it which made it seem to have less popularity. the same can be applied by many other franchises. |
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| I assume the second season is more difficult to make since they have to find an equilibre between what was good and that people want to have again, andsomething new that isn't just copying the story of S1 with new characters. Also the viewers are much much more critical with S2 than S1, it's harder to appreciate an S2 without thinikng and comparing it with S1. But as a counterexample there's imo Noragami S2 better than S1, because the setting was there and the new arcs were imo better. So I wonder if anime from manga aren't better in S2 since the original mangaka wasn't seeing his manga as season but as a whole so he doesn't risk to repeat himself since at first (understand : not long manga) I assume he/she has many different idea if the manga is good. So are original S2 anime worse than adapted from manga or novel S2? What would be the difference? |
JKanimangalist said: Because when those series were created, the creators only had in mind the plot of the first season, so when they are requested to create a second season due to popularity they are unprepared. I am not sure in case of SAO here, but many anime are adaptations of some pre-existing source material, so in most part they already have something to work with. Even if I didn't read any of those, I know that original anime is actually pretty rare these days. orosan said: SAO was a big hit, it was popular and liked by many people, the second season was just as much hyped but onlu for the ones who really enjoyed the first season wanted to watch teh second season, teh haters avoided it which made it seem to have less popularity. I watched the first half hoping for improvement that never came (how naive of me) and skimmed through the second part. Many watched it for the same reason as I did, or just wanted something to shove to fans' faces. |
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| How did SAO 2 fail ?! It was as good if not better than 1st season Phsycho Pass 2 was not bad, but not as good as 1st season. I would not say it is a fail Arslan senki, magi, gate, code geass, Grisaia no Rakuen, Owari no Seraph all had good 2nd season RoyTF said: How can you expect the second season of SAO to succeed at first place when it was a failure in 1st season itself :3 How it is failure ?! The blu-ray sales are good. It very popular in MAL and has decent score |
beast_regards said: keragamming said: I'm pretty sure op was talking about the series being very popular in the first season but not in the second season. Sao was a hit in its first season and that's a fact! Now the quality of the series is a different story and we are going into subjective territory. SAO was over-hyped first season, which can translate as popular. Or a hit, if you like, so true. But it was equally over-hyped the second season, so no change from that perspective either. It still is and have a a lot of fans, that's the reason we are having this conversation in the first place. "While their second season aren't necessarily bad, somehow they weren't a huge hit like the first" Eh? Did you completely miss op point? |
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