Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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Cmterio said: QWERTYFish25 said: Not everyone bursts into cries when they see the deceased. He's seen dead bodies before and probably has grown a bit numb to it. It got to him when he was covered in their blood and facing a pile of charred bodies. I don't know if that's a indication of being "mentally broken." Maybe they skipped over the initial reaction so they could build up to the part where he saw the "real" kicker; the pile of charred bodies, which interestingly is where the edgelord track kicks in. i'm a policeman in Brazil, a country seen by violence. Most of the people who see a slaughter here or any contact with murder has some psychological illness even in my country with high rates of murder. Most of the policeman have some change in his personality when they see something like that, remember they are trained. 90% of the world people cant see a slaughter. taking in mind reality of course. But, I mean is it really illness or some form of adaptation? |
Fai said: Sometimes791 said: What's funny is the fact that the manga is more straightforward about Subaru in episode 12. Well, that makes at least the discussions surrounding his developments "interesting". [Don't use this for the argumentation for the anime though.] Okay...Why the fuck is this not in the show? I guess it is "writing got shit in the anime" option then. That, I don't know. I have to agree it's far more interesting in the manga apparently, but I wouldn't say the writing really got shit in the anime. Obviously they should have included scenes like that in it, and I don't know the motive behind them removing it, but that doesn't mean it's shit writing. You can't say it's shit writing if it has a WAAAYYYYY better story than most of the anime out there. It can be bad/not so good writing but definitely not shit writing. School Days is shit writing. Big Order is shit writing. |
AmejiHunter said: Fai said: Okay...Why the fuck is this not in the show? I guess it is "writing got shit in the anime" option then. That, I don't know. I have to agree it's far more interesting in the manga apparently, but I wouldn't say the writing really got shit in the anime. Obviously they should have included scenes like that in it, and I don't know the motive behind them removing it, but that doesn't mean it's shit writing. You can't say it's shit writing if it has a WAAAYYYYY better story than most of the anime out there. It can be bad/not so good writing but definitely not shit writing. School Days is shit writing. Big Order is shit writing. They just make it subtle in the anime. And Fai is idiotic at this point. |
Fai said: Sometimes791 said: What's funny is the fact that the manga is more straightforward about Subaru in episode 12. Well, that makes at least the discussions surrounding his developments "interesting". [Don't use this for the argumentation for the anime though.] Okay...Why the fuck is this not in the show? I guess it is "writing got shit in the anime" option then. A lot of scenes have to be cut out. If you haven't read the pages for the selections speeches yet (which I've sent you in the 12th episode), then you will see a lot of cut content. The problem is that the source material is very detailed and if they adapted every scene, we would still be in the 2nd arc. People would be very discontent with that however. This is why the series drops small hints between the lines and requires the viewer to have common sense to add the cut scenes in the head. Here from the speeches, if you want to read them as well: |
Re:Zero nice troll ending.  |
Mayuka said: AmejiHunter said: Well obviously, if you're watching drama anime there's a high chance an important character will die. Except the point in Re:Zero is not ''Will he die'' but ''When/How/Why will he die and what will he have to change to reach the happy ending''. Although that's the words I manage to find to explain my thoughts, I believe it's way deeper than that, but I am not able to correctly express it into words. Not really drama, but a show that's about real life (not some magic harem school bullshit), it's likely for anyone to die randomly. I'm not taking back my words; Rezero lacks suspense and thrill because the protagonist is guaranteed another chance whenever he fucks up. Now, it's just dragging along and feels very redundant. Or maybe it's because I'm watching it weekly and losing interest (I bingewatched the first 10 or so episodes). I've seen other shows that pull off the "Go back in time to fix the problems" much better like Orange, Steins;Gate or Erased. Believe me. You're wrong. Very wrong. |
"Vaut mieux se suffire à soi que finir assoiffé dans le monde des apparences."  |
Sometimes791 said: yes i know what you are talking about im readong the manga tooThey can't show it in the anime like that. There is also another page after the next one with a lot of violence, but I won't post it here. |
ColdBreeze said: I hope you're right because I've been nothing but bored since episode 9.Mayuka said: You would be surprised then.I'm not taking back my words; Rezero lacks suspense and thrill because the protagonist is guaranteed another chance whenever he fucks up. Tony_SansNom said: LOLBelieve me. You're wrong. Very wrong. Okay, LN reader. |
Sometimes791 said: They can't show it in the anime like that. There is also another page after the next one with a lot of violence, but I won't post it here. Anime will look much worse if you read the manga. I didn't read this one, but I've read Gate and ended up simply skipping large portion of the anime because it lost its charm. It also cut out large number of gore scenes, if not all of them, but that's beyond the point. Simply knowing where everything goes isn't for the best |
| Signature removed. It was too good for this cruel world. |
Sometimes791 said: A lot of scenes have to be cut out. If you haven't read the pages for the selections speeches yet (which I've sent you in the 12th episode), then you will see a lot of cut content. The problem is that the source material is very detailed and if they adapted every scene, we would still be in the 2nd arc. People would be very discontent with that however. This is why the series drops small hints between the lines and requires the viewer to have common sense to add the cut scenes in the head. Then they chose adapting wrong things. I could deal with Subaru's rant at emilia or his pathetic duel being cut half in length(hell they should have been cut in half considering they just became annoying and made people hate the character) if it meant that scene was included and the show actually bothered to address Subaru's behavior, instead of making him look like an entirely different character and a worse one at that. Hell, half my complaints are about the show not adressing Subaru's mental state if that is at fault for his behavior. And you know what? Scenes like that address the freaking mental state. Scenes like that are the difference between viewing a character as entitled selfish MRA activist mr nice guy psycho and genuinely damaged person. AmejiHunter said: That, I don't know. I have to agree it's far more interesting in the manga apparently, but I wouldn't say the writing really got shit in the anime. Obviously they should have included scenes like that in it, and I don't know the motive behind them removing it, but that doesn't mean it's shit writing. You can't say it's shit writing if it has a WAAAYYYYY better story than most of the anime out there. It can be bad/not so good writing but definitely not shit writing. School Days is shit writing. Big Order is shit writing. There are different degrees of bad. Just because things can be worse, does not make it any better. |
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Fai said: Sometimes791 said: A lot of scenes have to be cut out. If you haven't read the pages for the selections speeches yet (which I've sent you in the 12th episode), then you will see a lot of cut content. The problem is that the source material is very detailed and if they adapted every scene, we would still be in the 2nd arc. People would be very discontent with that however. This is why the series drops small hints between the lines and requires the viewer to have common sense to add the cut scenes in the head. Here from the speeches, if you want to read them as well: Then they chose adapting wrong things. I could deal with Subaru's rant at emilia being cut half in length if it meant that scene was included and the show actually bothered to address Subaru's behavior. AmejiHunter said: That, I don't know. I have to agree it's far more interesting in the manga apparently, but I wouldn't say the writing really got shit in the anime. Obviously they should have included scenes like that in it, and I don't know the motive behind them removing it, but that doesn't mean it's shit writing. You can't say it's shit writing if it has a WAAAYYYYY better story than most of the anime out there. It can be bad/not so good writing but definitely not shit writing. School Days is shit writing. Big Order is shit writing. There are different degrees of bad. Just because things can be worse, does not make it any better. I'm not saying it makes it better. I'm saying if something is considered shit writing, I doubt something that is clearly of a much higher level can really be considered the same thing. |
AmejiHunter said: You still ignored 90% of my comment. And why shouldn't I, there is no point in arguing about something I don't disagree with and whether or not she healed him is irrelevant for the parts I quoted. |
Except for the fact that we never once saw a sign of him 'backtracking'. He just did. |
| Seriously I vomit again when I watch the OP and vomit again when I saw this face He just doesn't learn at all, despite of Reinhard and Julius effort to help him, his relationship obsessive with Emilia is creepy btw, poor Rem, she deserve much better. |
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| And if someone is interested in the original speeches from the candidates, here they are: |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
| I'd like to see Subaru accidentally fuck up his checkpoint game, "saving" after someone else's meaningful death or similar catastrophic event. Either his mind would completely break, or mature and learn humility. It is a bit annoying that he doesn't really try to polish any of his useful skills. So far he has realized that rolling mitigates damage and peeling potatoes sucks. |
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Sometimes791 said: And if someone is interested in the original speeches from the candidates, here they are: I just read really quick, since I plan on readin the manga and don't wanna read the same thing twice, you know. I understand why they haven't put all that in the anime, since it's pretty long, but I still wish they did, at least put a little bit more. |
| If Re:Zero received as many episodes as long-running shounen, then such details could be shown. Nevertheless, they still do a great job in showing the key scenes. |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
AmejiHunter said: Sometimes791 said: If Re:Zero received as many episodes as long-running shounen, then such details could be shown. Nevertheless, they still do a great job in showing the key scenes. So would most of the anime tbh. I hope this'll get a season 2. It's sad how pretty much every anime now only lasts 12/13 episodes. White Fox made quite an effort in dropping hints for the fourth and fifth arc. They have the foundation. What's left is the success in Japan and the announcement for a second season. |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
| This new opening must be a joke right |
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Sometimes791 said: And if someone is interested in the original speeches from the candidates, here they are: Very interesting. Funny thing is that after reading that, I feel like Anastasia would be the most suitable ruler (aside from Emilia). Pricilia is just as bad as I expected her to be. :V |
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FononZero said: Very interesting. Funny thing is that after reading that, I feel like Anastasia would be the most suitable ruler (aside from Emilia). Pricilia is just as bad as I expected her to be. :V For me it's Crusch because she wants fight for independence and wants to free the kingdom from the dragon. I expect the contract to have a high price, so no contract at all would benefit them more and make them more autonomous. |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
FononZero said: Sometimes791 said: For me it's Crusch because she wants fight for independence and wants to free the kingdom from the dragon. I expect the contract to have a high price, so no contract at all would benefit them more and make them more autonomous. I do like Crusch too. Though I do wonder what exactly happens if the contract is nullified. The country crumbles, a civil war starts and millions of people are slaughtered. That's my hope at least. |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
FononZero said: Sometimes791 said: And if someone is interested in the original speeches from the candidates, here they are: Very interesting. Funny thing is that after reading that, I feel like Anastasia would be the most suitable ruler (aside from Emilia). Pricilia is just as bad as I expected her to be. :V For me it went from "Wow the show is really wanting us to love waifu emilia's communism by literally having her go against 3 trumps and a Putin" to "wow they all actually have nice and logical differing ideas and its Emilia who sounds like naive idealistic loony" |
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Fai said: FononZero said: Very interesting. Funny thing is that after reading that, I feel like Anastasia would be the most suitable ruler (aside from Emilia). Pricilia is just as bad as I expected her to be. :V For me it went from "Wow the show is really wanting us to love waifu emilia's communism by literally having her go against 3 trumps and a Putin" to "wow they all actually have nice and logical differing ideas and its Emilia who sounds like naive idealistic loony" Well, Emilia IS naive. She isn't, from what we saw, really suited to be the winner, according to me that is. |
| I'm going to commit a grave taboo and ask this of someone familiar with the source material: Is Rem truly gone for good? As much as I'd like to agonize over this, for potentially weeks before arriving at an answer, my poor little heart just can't take it. I can accept the finality of her death even though it breaks my heart, but agonizing over a what if here is worse. |
QWERTYFish25 said: Cmterio said: i'm a policeman in Brazil, a country seen by violence. Most of the people who see a slaughter here or any contact with murder has some psychological illness even in my country with high rates of murder. Most of the policeman have some change in his personality when they see something like that, remember they are trained. 90% of the world people cant see a slaughter. taking in mind reality of course. But, I mean is it really illness or some form of adaptation? It depends, i wanst falling into madness of course, but i had some psychologists to help my treatment, family and friend to help, Subaru has nothing. U can adapt by yourself but is hard do it alone. |
Fai said: For me it went from "Wow the show is really wanting us to love waifu emilia's communism by literally having her go against 3 trumps and a Putin" to "wow they all actually have nice and logical differing ideas and its Emilia who sounds like naive idealistic loony" And then her speech in the anime means basically this: "I don't want racism in our country." |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
Sometimes791 said: Fai said: For me it went from "Wow the show is really wanting us to love waifu emilia's communism by literally having her go against 3 trumps and a Putin" to "wow they all actually have nice and logical differing ideas and its Emilia who sounds like naive idealistic loony" And then her speech in the anime means basically this: "I don't want racism in our country." Oh well, maybe she's not that naive then, nevermind what I said. |
AmejiHunter said: ...What does WN mean? I know LN is Light Novel, but WN..? Web Novel. It's basically just an (often rougher) story put onto the internet by the author. Generally frequently updated. They sometimes get adapted into higher forms. |
AmejiHunter said: Well, Emilia IS naive. She isn't, from what we saw, really suited to be the winner, according to me that is. I am still hoping its just a facade and she is actually Satella, because if not then holy shit she is boring. Sometimes791 said: Fai said: For me it went from "Wow the show is really wanting us to love waifu emilia's communism by literally having her go against 3 trumps and a Putin" to "wow they all actually have nice and logical differing ideas and its Emilia who sounds like naive idealistic loony" And then her speech in the anime means basically this: "I don't want racism in our country." Okay wtf. how is it anything near the same like the show presented it? Still boring and nice do goody nonsense but at least sensible one. |
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Web Novel. Basically authors publish their works on the web before publishing companies contract with them. The webnovel is so much more advanced than the current LN. Sometimes791 said: Fai said: For me it went from "Wow the show is really wanting us to love waifu emilia's communism by literally having her go against 3 trumps and a Putin" to "wow they all actually have nice and logical differing ideas and its Emilia who sounds like naive idealistic loony" And then her speech in the anime means basically this: "I don't want racism in our country." That's a big difference indeed. |
| "Vaut mieux se suffire à soi que finir assoiffé dans le monde des apparences." |
AmejiHunter said: Tony_SansNom said: Web Novel. Basically authors publish their works on the web before publishing companies contract with them. The webnovel is so much more advanced than the current LN. Oh, thanks. I might check it out, then. Yeah; but is in japanese/very few things are translated by fans. The webnovel is much longer in terms of wordcounts (Light Novel cuts it down a little because paper format). Web novel is not considered canon, light novel is. So, some few things might change when the LN reach arc 4/5/6/whatever... |
| "Vaut mieux se suffire à soi que finir assoiffé dans le monde des apparences." |
| I absolutely hate that they spent the first two story arcs making us love the main character and now Subaru is just a petty, angsty, stubborn thirteen year old who is extremely unlikable. I don't understand the point. I hope the show redeems itself as it goes on. But, since the start of the third arc the show has just been a massive disappointment for me. |
Fai said: how is it anything near the same like the show presented it? That's why I didn't like the episode as much as the other ones. Her part was probably the most important one in showing her ambitions and that Subaru interrupted the speeches for bigger reasons. |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
AmejiHunter said: thrilllex said: I absolutely hate that they spent the first two story arcs making us love the main character and now Subaru is just a petty, angsty, stubborn thirteen year old who is extremely unlikable. I don't understand the point. I hope the show redeems itself as it goes on. But, since the start of the third arc the show has just been a massive disappointment for me. He became like that because of overconfidence and superiority complex. He's human. You can't say no one would react like that if they were in his place. lol idk, that doesn't really change the fact that he's become super unlikable and inconsiderate to everybody other than himself. and the change was too instantaneous. It makes no sense to me that his entire personality would completely turn 180 in one episode. I mean I get the point is to make the viewer uncomfortable with the change in Subaru but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I'm just upset since through the first two arcs, episode after episode I would tell myself this is amazing, the best anime I've watched in a long time, but from the third arc onwards I just haven't been enjoying myself at all :S |
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