Should Crunchyroll and Funimation Make Simulcasts Available To Everyone?

kamisama751 said:
I don't care. Going to pirate until someone in black suit knocks at my door.

Comic_Sans said:
Sure

Not that I really care, kissanime is and will always be superior

Comic_Sans said:
Sure

Not that I really care, kissanime is and will always be superior

Zalis said:
If you're in the US, saying "I can't afford Funi/CR" is equivalent to saying, "I don't feel like watching ads, waiting a week, or watching in SD." And I can understand the need to provide some incentive to subscribe, so I don't blame them for doing a week's delay.

I also voted "no" because I don't think North American companies are obligated to serve every last corner of the world. Should people in (even) poorer countries pay the same subscription price as US users? Are ads paid for by NA companies going to be relevant to viewers in Brunei or Eritrea? IMO it'd be more productive for other areas to get their own sites established than to sit around complaining about region locks.

Zalis said:
If you're in the US, saying "I can't afford Funi/CR" is equivalent to saying, "I don't feel like watching ads, waiting a week, or watching in SD." And I can understand the need to provide some incentive to subscribe, so I don't blame them for doing a week's delay.

Feniksrises said:
Best thing about Crunchyroll is that they try to make it really hard to find out what shows are actually available to you. It's quite amusing.

Needless to say if you live in a small European country it's really not worth it.

firelice said:

Licensing out of the US is awful to say the least.

firelice said:
Dude,

if your going to use an illegal streaming website. Why not just pirate the shows off of a decent tracker. You might as well watch decent quality not some bit-rate starved barf fest.

Like if your already going to be watching it for free might as well look at what the creators actually intended and not with some intrusive logo in the corner of the screen.

Comic_Sans said:
I'm not a dude

Comic_Sans said:

The logo doesn't bother me
As long as I can have my free Chinese cartoons, my bookmark list and my kissanime I am totally fine

firelice said:
I honestly don't care what you are. You could be an attack helicopter for all I care.

Here is where it starts to bother me. The problem with illegal streaming sites is you get none of the benefits of downloading media and all of the problems with streaming.

I am going to assume you know the basics of video quality. There is a ripping group titled [HorribleSubs] they rip CR and FUNi and put it as a torrent on various torrenting websites. Illegal streaming services download them re-encode the video with a logo and upload it to their website.

Recap: They download a low bit-rate video, re-encode it (smaller filesize, worse quality), and upload it their website. So your getting a worse version of what you could get earlier, better quality, and downloaded to your computer with no effort at all. When your streaming videos off of KA your supporting shady, business tactics with literally no benefit to the consumer. They also do this to fansubbers who put a lot of work into subbing your favorite anime. Do NOT support illegal streaming sites. If you want to stream use legal methods. There is no use in using illegal streaming sites as they just rip torrents.

As a kid, I had to jump through a lot more hoops to pirate anime. Nowadays, I just go to a website a hit a button, or I can have it done automatically with a few scripts.

QE: Everyone should buy, merch, dvd, and bds for their favorite anime to support the industry.

Comic_Sans said:
No, I identify as a rocking chair
All of this is irrelevant as I have already stated that I don't care as long as I can have my free Chinese cartoons and my bookmark list

Besides, I use adblock on kissanime, so it's not like I'm giving them money, at least not that muchI see no need to support the industry

firelice said:
I assume your just shitposting at this point.

Comic_Sans said:
"Lol your just shitposting xD" is not an excuse for not having any counter arguments

raegazel said:
I strongly believe that if you are a serious enough anime fan to be actively following shows as they simulcast, you should spare $7 a month to help support the industry that you love. That's about the price of one meal at a cheap restaurant.

Hell, if you buy a year of Premium, it brings it down to $5/month. Unless you're literally impoverished, you can afford that. There is no excuse for pirating current shows.

EDIT: Western Blu-Rays on the other hand...those are much more problematic. I'd love to support a number of series, but, for example, I really can't be dropping $250 on all of Kill la Kill. Just not happening, sorry.

firelice said:
I mean your 'literally' just an uninformed,

blind consumer.

You say all you care about is free "chinese cartoons", hurr durr durr I'm such a dank memer guys I can mememememe.

You CAN get free anime, by pirating and its higher quality than anything KA has to offer.

All of this is irrelevant as I have already stated that I don't care as long as I can have my free Chinese cartoons and my bookmark list

You are not bound to be always online.

If KA goes down you aren't bound to them. (Which has happened before. When I got back into Anime I was a KA user, but in 2014 ALL of there videos were lost and they had to reupload them.) It took months, so I switched.

Like arguing with you is like arguing with a hardcore Trump or Hillary supporter. You can bring out all the guns, you can have counterarguments you can do everything. They will refuse to give any credence to your argument. I've learned that sometimes just ignoring the people who are a lost cause is the best thing someone can do.

karlstein12 said:
is there a war going on here or something

addioo12 said:


Crunchyroll and netflix cut their anime.They j=remove content without informing viewers what was removed and why. I don't want them squandering with my experience. Another thing is, that due to licensing, half the world cannot acces crunchyroll's database or even subscribe. Only illegal sites are accessible anywhere in the world ( except for china and NK) Also, not everyone is old enough to have a credit-card or paypal. You need to be 18 for that in most countries, so your argument is invalid for a big part of the fandom.

raegazel said:


These arguments always perplex me. If I say something like "everyone should pay taxes," it's assumed that I'm not including kids, etc. But when I say "everyone should pay for anime," all the sudden it becomes "no they shouldn't, because kids can't pay for it." That's great, but a similarly large portion of the fanbase aren't kids or citizens of countries that don't have access to Crunchyroll. They are young adults or older, in countries where Crunchyroll streams. If they are able to pay for it, and plan to stream simulcast shows that are available on it, they should.

As for them cutting content - well, if that's ethically objectionable to the point where you don't want to give them a cent, that's fine. As long as you're supporting the industry in some other way, through buying merchandise perhaps. But if it's just used as a rationalization for paying nothing - well, that's a problem too.

Between paying for streamed content and buying as many of the DVD/Blu-Ray sets as I can reasonably afford, I feel that I'm doing my part. Honestly I don't really care if people use Crunchyroll or not, but I just want them to try to do their part as well, as much as they too can reasonably afford.

Zapredon said:
So,any news or update from the pirate hunter?

Feniksrises said:
Best thing about Crunchyroll is that they try to make it really hard to find out what shows are actually available to you. It's quite amusing.

raegazel said:


These arguments always perplex me. If I say something like "everyone should pay taxes," it's assumed that I'm not including kids, etc. But when I say "everyone should pay for anime," all the sudden it becomes "no they shouldn't, because kids can't pay for it." That's great, but a similarly large portion of the fanbase aren't kids or citizens of countries that don't have access to Crunchyroll. They are young adults or older, in countries where Crunchyroll streams. If they are able to pay for it, and plan to stream simulcast shows that are available on it, they should.

As for them cutting content - well, if that's ethically objectionable to the point where you don't want to give them a cent, that's fine. As long as you're supporting the industry in some other way, through buying merchandise perhaps. But if it's just used as a rationalization for paying nothing - well, that's a problem too.

Between paying for streamed content and buying as many of the DVD/Blu-Ray sets as I can reasonably afford, I feel that I'm doing my part. Honestly I don't really care if people use Crunchyroll or not, but I just want them to try to do their part as well, as much as they too can reasonably afford.

kuuderes_shadow said:


Because clicking on the word "shows" in bold font at the top of the page is really difficult?

j0x said:
honestly they should focus on improving Daisuki legal streaming site more, they gonna have a premium membership soon too but what they need to do more is to copy the success of illegal streaming sites like

• no geoblocking, no more this video is not available in your country
• huge anime library, possibly as large as the database of illegal streaming sites like kissanime
• show ads for free watchers while turn off ads for premium/paid subscribers

firelice said:

Legal streaming services can never have as big of a library as illegal.

Feniksrises said:


Most of the stuff I watch is old anyway and frankly most of the output the industry has now doesn't interest me. I'd love to have a service were you can download old shows for a few dollars since like Utena or Banner of the stars. Those older IPs are just sitting in a vault right now, many of them long out of print. Funnily enough only pirates keep those classics alive.

j0x said:


its not impossible to achieve though looking how Netflix have a huge video library too

firelice said:

Netflix may have a huge library but, it doesn't have everything Game of Thrones is not on Netflix. Many currently airing shows are not on Netflix.

Zalis said:
For some reason, there's a massive double standard out there; people are okay with Netflix/Hulu and the like not having every Western TV show and movie in existence, but demand that any anime digital distribution site have ALL THE ANIMU EVAR MAED before they'll even consider using it.

And in regards to some shows mentioned by @Feniksrises and others -- Utenas been in print since 2011, Funi will eventually re-release Crest/ Banner of the Stars, and Sentai has licensed LOGH. So older titles aren't as abandoned as one might think. As for Monster, idk... Maybe it just goes to show that fans of serious drama aren't as numerous or as supportive as they claim to be, at least compared to fans of other genres.