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Angry_Always said: Raisken said: Good, but also not very good adaptation - books are far better. You would propably grow to hate Claire like a lot of people during season 1, since she is a total bitch there :P Ahh the bitchy one. A common occurence haha. What we talking though? Nakina Erina level cold heartedness? Chitoge Tsundere level? The moronic personification of idiocy that is that blue haired girl for Full Metal Panic? I would say type of Louise of Zero no Tsukaima, bossy one and treating mc as her slave. |
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| God dang it like ten seconds in and all I had on my mind was "Please don't start comparing them. Please don't" and they started comparing them and I got pissed off. I'm happy with how Rem went about doing her own thing for a bit, but knew it wouldn't last. Glad to finally know their story though. AND WHEN IT STARTED PLAYING THE INTRO I HAD TO COVER MY FACE I was smiling like such an idiot. This was such a freaking sweet episode, like, it was everything I waited for. I rarely ever get teary eyed when watching anime, but this got to me. AND HE DIDN'T DIE. I'm already putting my money on the mabeasts master being the last girl they saved, think she had blue hair if I remember correctly. And now I have to watch him get killed somehow sometime either next week or the week after, so I gotta prepare myself for that now. |
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kerowolf said: Jagd84 said: THis a really neat touch. For @kerowolf and anyone who wants to know what the kids wrote about him in this scene:  Ahhh, thank you so much! That really is a wonderful little touch. Can I ask where you can find how to translate the alphabet? Is it in the manga? Haven't seen much about it in the anime so far. I found it on reddit. There are some posters on there that have been translating the language of series ever Ram brought up that fairytale collection for sometime now. Yeah, it's not like people have different opinions then you or something. |
| Only opinions that matter are those in Japan with cable who watch this. Jagd84 said: kerowolf said: Ahhh, thank you so much! That really is a wonderful little touch. Can I ask where you can find how to translate the alphabet? Is it in the manga? Haven't seen much about it in the anime so far. I found it on reddit. There are some posters on there that have been translating the language of series ever Ram brought up that fairytale collection for sometime now. Yeah, it's not like people have different opinions then you or something. When you realise those watching from their tv in Japan are the only ones who's opinion really matters. |
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| Nice backstory episode! Seeing things from Rem's perspective really helped flesh her out. I hope they focus a little bit on how Ram might have been feeling, although I think we might have to wait on that, since her relevance to the plot probably needs to stay hidden for a while, based on the scene she had with Rosewall at the end. I'm assuming he was replenishing her mana in that scene, at first I thought he was about to do something else lol. I'm guessing that means she will be pretty reliant on him, which will probably cause conflict in the future. Homeboy is obviously very shady, and I wouldn't be surprised if he's guilty of some pretty fucked up shit, past and in the future. Some people are complaining about Emilia being kind of 1 dimensional right now. I have to kind of agree, her role right now is much more symbolic, compared to his relationship with the twins. That being said I think Emilia will eventually get knocked off her waifu worshiping pedestal and her character will become fleshed out as Subaru goes through things with her. @Jagd84 That is such a nice detail! Thanks for mentioning it in this thread. _Hans_ said: Rem has reached ultimate wife™ status in my book lmfao. That smile is enough to win my heart lmao.I finally get it now I have seen the light and have accepted Rem as my waifu Rip Emilia 2016-2016 |
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Jagd84 said: LoneWizard said: Sakura never did anything other than cooking and blushing...Cant believe you are comparing Emilia with Sakura in that regard... All we knew about Sakura until the second half of HF was the fact that she was in good terms with Emiya,bad terms with Rin and Niisan,is in archery club and cooks good shit...Emilia on the other hand is at the center of everything with her political involvement,being a psychological support for Subaru,being a magician who involved in fights...her being passive in arc 2 doesnt change what happened in arc 1... Nah man. You see she all been nothing but just "muh waifu" or whatever that nonsense means just because she has good chemistry with Subaru. minor spoiler You see, you are still talking about this with the glorious gift of "hindsight", meaning you are basing your opinions of her on the fact that you actually know Emilia's expanded backstory from the contents of the LN/WN that comes out AFTER the contents of what this show has shown so far. You cannot be telling people with no way to access the original sources that Emilia has had decent characterization based on what has occurred in the Anime adaptation thus far. Sure we've gleaned bits and pieces of her personality in the first arc, we've gotten bits and pieces of her back story based on Barusu's conversations with various OTHER characters, but essentially up to now the only qualities that we've been shown based on Emilia's character herself is that she's a "kind" girl when it suits her to be, and that's just from the one scene in the first arc where she took care of the kid and chose not to ignore Barusu's plight when he was being bullied in the alleyway. Even then we get an incomplete and inconsistent sense of her character. She lied to Barusu about her name in the first iteration even whilst being perfectly polite and tolerant with him. Then after the first time she died with him, the rest of the first arc really had little to do with her characterization (because she disappears for a long stretch there) and more to do with Barusu trying to solve the mysterious "Revival" and using various methods to keeping everyone alive and all of that. Even after she comes back at the end to whisk Barusu away to the manor, all we glean from conversations with others is that her genetic makeup makes her discriminated and feared by the general populace and makes her cautious of people (which begs the question, why was she walking around town so openly, if she was afraid of being discriminated by people, why not wear a cloak to hide her ears and the color of her hair? Isn't her overtly flaunting of her origins contradictory?). You do realize that up to now, even Puck has received better characterization (he's got a quirky sense of humor, he is very protective of Emilia, he has a mysterious hold on Beatrice, he has extremely powerful magic, his only purpose is to protect Emilia and Emilia alone... thus when Roswell and Rem started attacking Barusu when Ram died, he didn't exactly appear and protect him or anything noble like that) than Emilia has. Even through conversations with Beatrice you get to understand Beatrice as a character and where she stands with Barusu. We haven't gotten that at all with Emilia. From everything we've seen, all we know for certain is that she thinks of him as an acquaintance who previously helped her solve a problem (getting her insignia back) and thus she feels obligated to repay him in some way. Does she even have feelings for him above those of thinking of him as a friend (probably one of her first friends, considering no one probably wanted to get near her before)? From all of Barusu's dumb conversations, we haven't gleaned anything about that yet. She is blithely ignorant of Barusu's praising of her on a romantic level and her answers to any such teasing is seriously practical (she tells him and Puck to stop horsing around). It's just like @Fai has said: she randomly pops in when Barusu is at the pits of his despair, has a short conversation about nothing with him which makes him feel better/motivateed, and then either a crisis appears or another character pops up and she smiles and falls back into the background again. Do we know anything about her likes/dislikes/worries/aspirations? Do we even know if she wants to become the successor to the kingdom because she feels a civic sense of duty, or whether it is motivated by her own private goals or motivations, or whether she is being forced into doing so out of a sense of obligation to her benefactor? We know absolutely nothing about her at this point other than her being a "goddess" in Barusu's eyes. Half the time she pops up on screen we don't even know what she's thinking when she converses with him, other than being "friendly" and "kind". Barusu constantly showering her with praise does little to help as well. In his eyes, she's the ultimate prize for beating the system. I haven't even stated the impracticality of Barusu ever getting together with her in this world setting, considering she is of noble ranking and he's just a butler in her benefactors household, but I digress. She is very much a "Trophy" character with poor characterization thus far, based solely on what has occurred in the last 11 episodes (which is what most viewers have to go on). |
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tinybunnvevo said: Some people are complaining about Emilia being kind of 1 dimensional right now. I have to kind of agree, her role right now is much more symbolic, compared to his relationship with the twins. That being said I think Emilia will eventually get knocked off her waifu worshiping pedestal and her character will become fleshed out as Subaru goes through things with her. But here is the thing what is one-dimensional about Emilia compared to the twins? Rem's character in this episode didn't even change much, is just no longer hates Subaru or herself. It's not like we didn't know she was kind. Similarity Emilia at the end of arc 1 dropped her tsundere like attitude ended up opening herself a bit more to Subaru didn't keep him at arms length as much anymore. They both changed in regards how they interact with him to where we are seeing different sides of them. How is that waifu like at all? L-Ryoshi said: Jagd84 said: Nah man. You see she all been nothing but just "muh waifu" or whatever that nonsense means just because she has good chemistry with Subaru. minor spoiler You see, you are still talking about this with the glorious gift of "hindsight",. Annnnd this were your very longwinded argument falls apart. Everything I've mentioned has been the anime. Not a thing from future spoilers. This same way how I defended Rem a couple episodes ago when her issues were hinted at. You can say as much you want but doesn't change the fact every character that appear so far has received characterization that pertains to their current disposition and future development. All which occur at different in the story. So no your excuse for willful ignorance and you long rant is essentially moot. And guess what? What Subaru thinks of them is irrelevant to their problems or characterization. Rem's inferior complex and dutiful nature has nothing to do with what Subaru thinks of her. Ram weakened state and deadpan snarker behavior has nothing to do with what Subaru thinks of hery. Emilia strong will nature and anti-social personality have nothing to do with what Subaru thinks of her. Stop bring him up in relation to Emilia or anyone else. For that matter everything she done has been consistent, she did not tell Subaru her real name because she did not trust him nor did she want him involved her problems. She only helped him in at all in the beginning because as she said she could not consciously turn a blind eye to somebody suffering infront her. It only after he fought with her against Elza together and saved her at very last minute did she then *gasp* naturally begin to trust him. It's not rocket science to see that. And before bring up what I posted in the tag, that was about Rem's role. |
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Jagd84 said: tinybunnvevo said: Some people are complaining about Emilia being kind of 1 dimensional right now. I have to kind of agree, her role right now is much more symbolic, compared to his relationship with the twins. That being said I think Emilia will eventually get knocked off her waifu worshiping pedestal and her character will become fleshed out as Subaru goes through things with her. But here is the thing what is one-dimensional about Emilia compared to the twins? Rem's character in this episode didn't even change much, is just no longer hates Subaru or herself. Similarity Emilia at the end of arc 1 dropped her tsundere like attitude ended up opening herself a bit more to Subaru didn't keep him at arms length. They both changed in regards how they interact with him to where we are seeing different sides of them. How is that waifu like at all? Annnnd this were your very longwinded argument falls apart. Everything I've mentioned has been the anime. Not a thing from future spoilers. This same way how I defended Rem a couple episodes ago when her issues were hinted at. You can say as much you want but doesn't change the fact every character that appear so far has received characterization that pertains to their current disposition and future development. All which occur at different in the story. So you no excuse for willful ignorance and you long rant is essentially moot. And guess what? What Subaru thinks of them is irrelevant to their problems or characterization. Rem's inferior complex and dutiful nature has nothing to do with what Subaru thinks of her. Ram weakened state and deadpan snarker behavior has nothing to do with what Subaru thinks of her. Emilia strong will nature and anti-social personality have nothing to do with what Subaru thinks of her. Stop bring him up in relation to Emilia or anyone else. And before bring up what I posted in the tag, that was about Rem's role. If what you say has been in the anime, then bring up actual facts and situations to prove it, as I have done with my examples. Just saying that my argument falls apart without backing it up with actual facts is poor on the part of your own case. In which scenes in the last 11 episodes have we seen more to her character than what I have already mentioned? What do we know about Emilia besides the things which I have written in my post? And where in the Anime was your points shown？Pray do tell. The entirety of our discussion is based on the fact that Emilia has not received any characterization other than a back story (a vague one at that) and a general "kind girl" trope thus far. And if sources are to be believed, people have been saying that she won't be receiving any further character development until AFTER this entire show is over. Considering she is suppose to be the female lead in this show, that is poor development. I'm not basing it on whether she will receive development in future seasons, I'm talking about whether she should be receiving development during the course of this show, since this show is all that anime-only viewers have to judge her on. |
L-RyoshiJun 13, 2016 7:13 PM
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L-Ryoshi said: If what you say has been in the anime, then bring up actual facts and situations to prove it, as I have done with my examples. Just saying that my argument falls apart without backing it up with actual facts is poor on the part of your own case. In which scenes in the last 11 episodes have we seen more to her character than what I have already mentioned? I already have before several times, but okay. I doubt do any good because i know you wiil either dismiss it while contradicting yourself with similar examples of characterization from other characters like did Puck and Betty. Here is a couple off the top of my head. -She's dishonest with herself and others, as seen when she first rescued Subaru at told a half lie about helping him (and later Rom) for herself when she could have still chased after Felt. She clearly puts a front of being tougher tan she is. -She's anti-social, she avoids going towards the village with Subaru because thinks the people there will dislike him if she with him. This also ties into fact she has had no friends as Puck revealed. -She has inferiority complex (don't know if it's mild or strong), whenever her heritage is brought up she was completely blaffled when Subaru thought she was beautiful and that being an elf was amazing. Something that Puck himself really appreciated implying nice have rarely ever been said about her. -She's cool, calm and collected, during battle with Elsa she fought her without any fear regardless of Puck was with her or nota nd showed she was just some damsel and distress to be rescued. -She understanding and sensible, She only one in the arc besides Betty who actually defended, Suabru from accusations of being a spy. She also provide the strong emotional support and peace of mind though interactions that Subaru sorely needed. If weren't for that ( and her healing him desperately) we would stuck in the mansion for another couple episodes. -Shes' feisty almost to point of being reckless herself which why Subaru didn't want to tell her what was happening otherwise she would insisted on coming, despite the fact someone of her position shouldn't. -Of course her whole connection to Witch of Envy. That not even mentioning her political status and what her ideology/platform might be. Now please tell me all of Puck's and Rem's trait's. Goodluck because the later didn't start displaying different characteristics until ep 7 and 10. What do we know about Emilia besides the things which I have written in my post? Plenty which I just listed. But your biased so I'm not surprised. You were like that about Suabru's actions in a few threads. Just because you don't' play attention doesn't mean others don't or are incapable of pointing other details. Considering she is suppose to be the female lead in this show, that is poor development Of course it when you willfully ignore the obvious. It was same issue with Rem several episodes until episode 10. Even now some still ignore obvious tat she is actual a good person. Regardless my point is you don't need her backstory to show her levels of characterization. It's no different than Subaru. You want the author to spoonfeed whenever you want regardless of how it makes sense in the plot at moment or not. |
Iron_MawJun 13, 2016 8:25 PM
| THAT REM SMILE IM DYING <3 This episode, best girl was finally confirmed for me, early on I thought it was Felt, but now it has to be Rem <3 |
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LaxusAK said: Only opinions that matter are those in Japan with cable who watch this. Jagd84 said: I found it on reddit. There are some posters on there that have been translating the language of series ever Ram brought up that fairytale collection for sometime now. Yeah, it's not like people have different opinions then you or something. When you realise those watching from their tv in Japan are the only ones who's opinion really matters. Yes, this true at least as far as sales go. This show has gotten plenty of positive word of mouth so no need to worry on that end for now. |
Jagd84 said: L-Ryoshi said: If what you say has been in the anime, then bring up actual facts and situations to prove it, as I have done with my examples. Just saying that my argument falls apart without backing it up with actual facts is poor on the part of your own case. In which scenes in the last 11 episodes have we seen more to her character than what I have already mentioned? I already have before several times, but okay. I doubt do any good because i know you wiil either dismiss it while contradicting yourself with similar examples of characterization from other characters like did Puck and Betty. Here is a couple off the top of my head. -She's dishonest with herself and others, as seen when she first rescued Subaru at told a half lie about helping him (and later Rom) for herself when she could have still chased after Felt. She clearly puts a front of being tougher tan she is. -She's anti-social, she avoids going towards the village with Subaru because thinks the people there will dislike him if she with him. This also ties into fact she has had no friends as Puck revealed. -She has inferiority complex (don't know if it's mild or strong), whenever her heritage is brought up she was completely blaffled when Subaru thought she was beautiful and that being an elf was amazing. Something that Puck himself really appreciated implying nice have rarely ever been said about her. -She's cool, calm and collected, during battle with Elsa she fought her without any fear regardless of Puck was with her or nota nd showed she was just some damsel and distress to be rescued. -She understanding and sensible, She only one in the arc besides Betty who actually defended, Suabru from accusations of being a spy. She also provide the strong emotional support and peace of mind though interactions that Subaru sorely needed. If weren't for that ( and her healing him desperately) we would stuck in the mansion for another couple episodes. -Shes' feisty almost to point of being reckless herself which why Subaru didn't want to tell her what was happening otherwise she would insisted on coming, despite the fact someone of her position shouldn't. -Of course her whole connection to Witch of Envy. That not even mentioning her political status and what her ideology/platform might be. Now please tell me all of Puck's and Rem's trait's. Goodluck because the later didn't start displaying different characteristics until ep 7 and 10. What do we know about Emilia besides the things which I have written in my post? Plenty which I just listed. But your biased so I'm not surprised. You were like that about Suabru's actions in a few threads. Just because you don't' play attention doesn't mean others don't or are incapable of pointing other details. Considering she is suppose to be the female lead in this show, that is poor development Of course it when you willfully ignore the obvious. It was same issue with Rem several episodes until episode 10. Even now some still ignore obvious tat she is actual a good person. Regardless my point is you don't need her backstory to show her levels of characterization. It's no different than Subaru. You want the author to spoonfeed whenever you want regardless of how it makes sense in the plot at moment or not. You just contradicted yourself there mate. And far from being understanding and sensible, she defended Barusu from being a spy because she did not know all the facts of the case at the time (no one spelled them out for her when Ram was on her deathbed) and was basing her feelings on her experiences with him in the first arc (that he went out of his way to get her insignia back when to her he was a complete stranger) and the fact that Puck sensed no ill will from him. And to add to that, she did not save him in the last iteration of the revival, it was Reinhard who had that honor. Also, if she is as antisocial as you say, then why did she choose to help him in that first iteration? An anti-social person would be slinking away from other peoples confrontations. Again a contradiction of her character by your very own description. I do not think that it is because she doesn't want any friends, she is just afraid that her heritage will be cause for fear and prejudice from others. If we go through this episode alone, we get a scene where Barusu is holding hands with Rem, which was shown to sooth his soul. That brings out a very interesting question of, why do we still need Emilia then? "That not even mentioning her political status and what her ideology/platform might be. " So good of you to notice that that portion hasn't even been mentioned at all in the show so far. Do we know her motivation for becoming the ruler of the kingdom? Do we know what her ideology/platform "might be"? No, we don't. Why do we not know? Because it has not been developed yet. Simple as that. In that sense, she is basically what she is, a nice girl with magical capabilities, and still being placed on a pedestal by Barusu for no other reason than that he has earmarked her as his "Salvation". We are talking about character DEVELOPMENT here, mate. And to be perfectly honest, she really hasn't had any in this arc. And if what the LN readers say is true, then she won't be receiving much in the next arc either, which runs essentially to the end of this show. That, my friend, is what one would consider poor characterization and development, especially for a female lead of a 20+ episode show. |
L-RyoshiJun 13, 2016 9:06 PM
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| i see at flashback an another blonde maid at roswaal's, who's she? |
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renaiyuusha said: i see at flashback an another blonde maid at roswaal's, who's she? Her name's Frederica. Unfortunately she won't appear this season. |
| YESSS this arc is finally over overall it was pretty eh had some really good moments but i just wasn't feeling the twins and it kinda went on way to long,opinion hasn't really changed much on them though their alright. interested in what they have in store next,at the point were we should learn more of the world and Emilia about now. |
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Jagd84 said: But here is the thing what is one-dimensional about Emilia compared to the twins? Rem's character in this episode didn't even change much, is just no longer hates Subaru or herself. It's not like we didn't know she was kind. Similarity Emilia at the end of arc 1 dropped her tsundere like attitude ended up opening herself a bit more to Subaru didn't keep him at arms length as much anymore. They both changed in regards how they interact with him to where we are seeing different sides of them. How is that waifu like at all? This is just my onion lol, but right now in this arc, Emilia is acting more as a symbol for Subaru, like advancing on their relationship is a goal. She hasn't really been involved in this arc, but to bring Subaru emotional support and stability. Ram is not as developed as Rem, but that's because this arc focused the most on Rem and told their backstory from her perspective. We know more about Rem's history, and how she thinks and operates and what, at her core, makes and breaks her. We don't know that about Emilia, as in what makes or breaks her as a character at her core. I think that both Emilia and Ram will get more fleshed out as we move into the next arc and the story calls for them to take more agency. I don't want to be to quick to label Emilia as just a pedestal waifu, but what I am saying is that right now, Subaru has her on a pedestal in his mind and doesn't /really/ know her, but will probably know her as the story progresses. |
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Sigh, I shouldn't to tel those two situation were clearly different. 1) She had no choice but to fight Elsa and he didn't care much anyone other defending herself until Subaru coming to help. 2) Unlike situation she has people who cares about being in danger so of course she more anxious this time around. And far from being understanding and sensible, she defended Barusu from being a spy because she did not know all the facts of the case at the time (no one spelled them out for her when Ram was on her deathbed) and was basing her feelings on her experiences with him in the first arc (that he went out of his way to get her insignia back when to her he was a complete stranger) and the fact that Puck sensed no ill will from him. And to add to that, she did not save him in the last iteration of the revival, it was Reinhard who had that honor. Lmao,this why say you aren't paying attteintion. She said she trusts him, but he would needs to tell them anything he might know at all. Unlike Roswaal or Rem she entirely evenhand in that scene. Also, if she is as antisocial as you say, then why did she choose to help him in that first iteration? An anti-social person would be slinking away from other peoples confrontations. Again a contradiction of her character by your very own description. I do not think that it is because she doesn't want anyiends, she is just afraid that her heritage will be cause for fear and prejudice from others. Because as I told before she herself couldn't consciously overlook someone getting attack. She meant to help him and leave. Emilia never said she hates people, she thinks people don't like her (due to heritage). Being socially isolated and being an asshole are two different things. If we go through this episode alone, we get a scene where Barusu is holding hands with Rem, which was shown to sooth his soul.That brings out a very interesting question of, why do we still need Emilia then. What in the world are you talking about? He wasn't distress to begin with so how could she soothe his soul? Subaru isn't the one getting comforted in that scene she is. Besides that absolute irrelevant that Emilia was one constantly give him a peace of mind. He most happiest moments by herself a fact that highlighted in the story. Hell look at him at end of episode, he hasn't been that overjoyed since the first loop. So don't play revision with me. So good of you to notice that that portion hasn't even been mentioned at all in the show so far. Do we know her motivation for becoming the ruler of the kingdom? Do we know what her ideology/platform "might be"? No, we don't. Why do we not know? Because it has not been developed yet. Simple as that. ... The whole reason Emilia's political status is brought up to begin with is explain why things that happened in first arc occurred and to foreshadow her role as well the future plot points. Not to mention gives us an idea why the insignia activated in Felt's presence in the first place. The reason I bring her political status is because of what it implies about her. Even within the arc it been mentioned she been busing herself with her studies to prepare for the Royal Election. If she part of country's political system than stands the reason she some stances of her own. We whether those aspirations are reveal now or later not is doesn't matter. The point is that they exist. Why else in blue hell would it be mentioned? In that sense, she is basically what she is, a nice girl with magical capabilities, and still being placed on a pedestal by Barusu for no other reason than that he has earmarked her as his "Salvation". Correct. She saved him is the reason why he can live the current life he does and why grateful to holds her in high regard. They went through a difficult experience together that brought them closer and highlighted why he started to fall for her. That only makes sense. But this isn't about Subaru, it's about Emilia. So your point here is meaningless. we are talking about character DEVELOPMENT here, mate. And to be perfectly honest, she really hasn't had any in this arc. And if what the LN readers say is true, then she won't be receiving much in the next arc either, which runs essentially to the end of this show. That, my friend, is what one would consider poor characterization and development, especially for a female lead of a 20+ episode show. I was never talking about character development in the first place, but characterization. Barely anyone has the outside Subaru, Emilia and Rem have gotten much of former. Anyway this argument clearly going go circular because you have no idea what you are talking about and just working off selective bias. If your going to twist everything about her character be reductionist then I know what else coming up in the story or even beyond will change your mind no matter how obvious because don't care about being reasonable. So I'm done with this, just somehow keep thing nothing what has been mentioned about Emilia isn't there or important. I'm not gonna waste my time who prefers see his own delusions instead of what there in the story. |
Iron_MawJun 13, 2016 11:01 PM
tinybunnvevo said: Jagd84 said: But here is the thing what is one-dimensional about Emilia compared to the twins? Rem's character in this episode didn't even change much, is just no longer hates Subaru or herself. It's not like we didn't know she was kind. Similarity Emilia at the end of arc 1 dropped her tsundere like attitude ended up opening herself a bit more to Subaru didn't keep him at arms length as much anymore. They both changed in regards how they interact with him to where we are seeing different sides of them. How is that waifu like at all? This is just my onion lol, but right now in this arc, Emilia is acting more as a symbol for Subaru, like advancing on their relationship is a goal. She hasn't really been involved in this arc, but to bring Subaru emotional support and stability. Ram is not as developed as Rem, but that's because this arc focused the most on Rem and told their backstory from her perspective. We know more about Rem's history, and how she thinks and operates and what, at her core, makes and breaks her. We don't know that about Emilia, as in what makes or breaks her as a character at her core. I think that both Emilia and Ram will get more fleshed out as we move into the next arc and the story calls for them to take more agency. I don't want to be to quick to label Emilia as just a pedestal waifu, but what I am saying is that right now, Subaru has her on a pedestal in his mind and doesn't /really/ know her, but will probably know her as the story progresses. A symbol needs to have a meaning. Emilia having interactions Subaru is not a meaning in that sense. The point of interactions for him to get to know her more through whatever means. Whether it be small talk about cutting vegetables and trading banter with Ram, talking about magic and future goals while teasing Emilia, or even getting his butler outfit tailored by Rem while she jokes about his size. Nearly all of bonding moments have been small moments that Subaru has cherished and brought him closer to them. If normal pleasant and down to earth conversations are what you called symbolic than any interaction Subaru has had has been that. So maybe it's just poor choice of words on your part, but I think sad things have been forgotten or misconstrued downthe line. I think it does a disservice to twins and Emilia because Subaru has very specific way of interacting with people and like with Emilia he doesn't mind telling Rem and Ram their cute for instance. Yes ultimately Subaru see each person differently but there is nothing wrong with that. Who he desires as potential partners or just friends up to him as long as, but ne thing is that he's always respected them as people. Or at least tries too. I also disagree about agency, there was actually lack of that this show female would waiting on Subaru's every command instead taking initiatives on there own. When Rem directed to go after the dogs to free Subaru from the curse that was her own choice. When Emilia decided to give Subaru that lap pillow and lend an ear to his troubles that was her own choice. When Betty tried help him escape from Roswaal that was her own choice and Ram decided teach him how to read and write that was her own choice. Not one of them had to do any of those thing nor did Subaru sudden force those acts on him. It was done on their own free will based entirely on their distinct personalities and circumstances. |
Iron_MawJun 13, 2016 11:00 PM
Jagd84 said: Sigh, I shouldn't to tel those two situation were clearly different. 1) She had no choice but to fight Elsa and he didn't care much anyone other defending herself until Subaru coming to help. 2) Unlike situation she has people who cares about being in danger so of course she more anxious this time around. And far from being understanding and sensible, she defended Barusu from being a spy because she did not know all the facts of the case at the time (no one spelled them out for her when Ram was on her deathbed) and was basing her feelings on her experiences with him in the first arc (that he went out of his way to get her insignia back when to her he was a complete stranger) and the fact that Puck sensed no ill will from him. And to add to that, she did not save him in the last iteration of the revival, it was Reinhard who had that honor. Lmao,this why say you aren't paying attteintion. She said she trusts him, but he would needs to tell them anything he might know at all. Unlike Roswaal or Rem she entirely evenhand in that scene. Also, if she is as antisocial as you say, then why did she choose to help him in that first iteration? An anti-social person would be slinking away from other peoples confrontations. Again a contradiction of her character by your very own description. I do not think that it is because she doesn't want anyiends, she is just afraid that her heritage will be cause for fear and prejudice from others. Because as I told before she herself couldn't consciously overlook someone getting attack. She meant to help him and leave. Emilia never said she hates people, she thinks people don't like her (due to heritage). Being socially isolated and being an asshole are two different. If we go through this episode alone, we get a scene where Barusu is holding hands with Rem, which was shown to sooth his soul.That brings out a very interesting question of, why do we still need Emilia then. What in the world are you talking about? He wasn't distress to begin with so how could she soothe his soul? Subaru isn't the one getting comforted in that scene she is. Besides that absolute irrelevant that Emilia was one constantly give him a peace of mind. He most happiest moments by herself a fact that highlighted in the story. Hell look at him at end of episode, he hasn't been that overjoyed since the first loop. So don't play revision with me. So good of you to notice that that portion hasn't even been mentioned at all in the show so far. Do we know her motivation for becoming the ruler of the kingdom? Do we know what her ideology/platform "might be"? No, we don't. Why do we not know? Because it has not been developed yet. Simple as that. ... The whole reason Emilia's political status is brought up to begin with is explain why things that happened in first arc occurred and to foreshadow her role as well the future plot points. Not to mention gives us an idea why the insignia activated in Felt's presence in the first place. The reason I bring her political status is because of what it implies about her. Even within the arc it been mentioned she been busing herself with her studies to prepare for the Royal Election. If she part of country's political system than stands the reason she some stances of her own. We whether those aspirations are reveal now or later not is doesn't matter. The point is that they exist. Why else in blue hell would it be mentioned? In that sense, she is basically what she is, a nice girl with magical capabilities, and still being placed on a pedestal by Barusu for no other reason than that he has earmarked her as his "Salvation". Correct. She saved him is the reason why he can live the current life he does and why grateful to holds her in high regard. They went through a difficult experience together that brought them closer and highlighted why he started to fall for her. That only makes sense. But this isn't about Subaru, it's about Emilia. So your point here is meaningless. we are talking about character DEVELOPMENT here, mate. And to be perfectly honest, she really hasn't had any in this arc. And if what the LN readers say is true, then she won't be receiving much in the next arc either, which runs essentially to the end of this show. That, my friend, is what one would consider poor characterization and development, especially for a female lead of a 20+ episode show. I was never talking about character development in the first place, but characterization. Barely anyone has the outside Subaru, Emilia and Rem have gotten much of former. Anyway this argument clearly going go circular because you have no idea what you are talking about and just working off selective bias. If your going to twist everything about her character be reductionist then I know what else coming up in the story or even beyond will change your mind no matter how obvious because don't care about being reasonable. So I'm done with this, just somehow keep thing nothing what has been mentioned about Emilia isn't there or important. I'm not gonna waste my time who prefers see his own delusions instead of what there in the story. Funny how you seem to be the one here who appears to be up in arms for what others say about this show, be it negative or whatnot. I would take your opinion with a pinch of salt myself, considering how you conduct yourself to insult others who don't share your opinion of this show that you like so much as ignorant or biased. It's pretty obvious that you consider this show the next best thing since the wheel or sliced bread. Also, characterization and character development go hand in hand. It's because of developments in the first arc which established Emilia as depicted as she currently is right now. And it's because of a lack of development with her in the second arc (aside for her popping in every other episode to show Barusu some kindness and make him happy/motivated) that many on this thread have been complaining about her being nothing but a trophy on a pedestal. The fact that other LN readers have come out to say that the next arc (and last arc to be animated) will have less development for her, means that overall the characters have been poorly developed. I have no idea why you still choose to argue this fact when you yourself state above that barely anyone outside Barusu, Emilia and Rem have received much character development AND agreed at my simplistic assessment of what Emilia really is. What part of that do you still not understand? Maybe you should stop acting like you're the only one who knows everything about this show because you've read the LN and everyone else who disagrees with your views are biased idiots. It's obviously arrogantly hypocritical on your part. Oh, and perhaps you should correct your grammar because some of what you said doesn't make sense and I'm not going to attempt to guess at what you are trying to say in case you call me biased for misunderstanding you again. |
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| @Jagd84 And there is something fishy about her presented personality because Puck mentionend she didn't want to go help Subaru (ep 11). Either she doesn't care so much about Subaru or she is scared of dying. |
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L-Ryoshi said: Funny how you seem to be the one here who appears to be up in arms for what others say about this show, . Actually I haven't. They have been several negative posts throughout this topic that I never addressed, because it was very clear those just personal opinions unlike you who is trying pass your off as facts. Plus you are the addressed me first. Like said before, will say all on this matter to you and provided points and examples about my position from the anime. In the end this an ongoing story every character interacts, reacts, develops at one point or another depend on circumstances like any good story. Arguing about order of developments, whether a character has traits or not is absolutely dumb. Everyone will get their time to shine regardless, especially this early on the story. Where and when things should develop along with whom is entirely up to the author and it is impossible to write a character without characterization anyway. If you have a problem with how any part of the story is running your free to drop it, hell your free to be selectively ignorant about it's content. But don't cry when something that should been obvious happens. I'm just gonna enjoy the adaptation and let show develop at it's own pace. |
Iron_MawJun 13, 2016 11:31 PM
| this series is filled with boring dialogs that make an already boring scene horrible. Especially the talkative MC, if he will just shut up it might be a little bearable. |
| "Why do I always realize it... when I've already lost it..." -Guts, Berserk "Some things are beautiful because they cannot be obtained." -Gilgamesh, Fate/stay night "We are constantly living in a peaceful world that somebody else won for us. Even if it were only a day of peace, I will be grateful for its value." - Minashiro Tsubaki, FAFNER "Screw you, future me!" -Makise Kurisu, Steins;Gate "We used to show off by waging wars and whatnot." -Watashi, Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita "Call me Moses. I'm going to part the sea of students before your eyes." -Moses?, Valvrave "Time is guilty." -Andō & Tomoyo, INOU-Battle |
Sometimes791 said: @Jagd84 And there is something fishy about her presented personality because Puck mentionend she didn't want to go help Subaru (ep 11). Either she doesn't care so much about Subaru or she is scared of dying. Actually that was mistranslation on CR's part. It should have been the inverse. Puck was one who desperately trying to stop her going after everyone. They seriously need better checkers or something, ugh. |
Iron_MawJun 13, 2016 11:32 PM
Jagd84 said: L-Ryoshi said: Funny how you seem to be the one here who appears to be up in arms for what others say about this show, . Actually I haven't. They have been several negative posts throughout this topic that I never addressed, because it was very clear those just personal opinions unlike you who is trying pass your off as facts. Plus you are the addressed me first. Like said before, will say all on this matter to you and provided points and examples about my position from the anime. In the end this an ongoing story every character interacts, reacts, develops at one point or another depend on circumstances like any good story. Arguing about order of developments, whether a character has traits or not is absolutely dumb. Everyone will get their time to shine regardless, especially this early on the story. Where and when things should develop along with whom is entirely up to the author and it is impossible to write a character without characterization anyway. If you have a problem with how any part of the story is running your free to drop it, hell your free to be selectively ignorant about it's content. But don't cry when something that should been obvious happens. I'm just gonna enjoy the adaptation and let show develop at it's own pace. Thing is, you're taking this story as one that developed from a book which you've read and enjoyed, and hence should be following the pace of the book when developing characters. I'm taking this from the view of someone who has never read the LN and am just trying to enjoy the show as an anime adaptation. What I've seen thus far is poor development on the part of the main female lead of this show based on the consideration that this show only runs for the first three arcs and there's an obvious possibility that it won't extend beyond that. As by the book that this show is being adapted, it still doesn't take away from the fact that Emilia feels less of an actual character and more of a plot device used to motivate Subaru whenever he's in pain or becomes despondent. You cannot deny that in the current arc, all she has done is pop in and out of the show at intervals to offer an exposition or to allow Subaru to talk himself into a motivated state. Even during the resolution of this arc, she was hardly to be found till the very end. I do recall some viewers also taking issue with this. She functions more like a mana or health potion that pops up in the dungeon every so often when the player's mana or health is low, as opposed to a party member with a back story who can actively heal/restore your mana. And in regards to why I watch this show. There's a term called schadenfreude which I'm not sure whether you've heard or not. I may not like Barusu's antics all that much, but I enjoy watching Barusu getting into fatalistic situations on the account of his own stupidity and misfortune. Don't mistake my having an opinion of how this show develops as a sign that I dislike this show. I'm enjoying it thoroughly, and am looking forward to his many deaths and despair in the coming arc. |
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| @MonoReaper Dude don't post spoilers here or at least use tags. And correction @L-Ryoshi I don't particular care what you think of Emilia or any other character. I'm merely telling you the truth of what is there. If can't accept and you're suddenly confused about some stuff is your problem. Many WN and LN readers have been just fine with how the plot has the characters and story so I don't buy your excuses/position. Your complaints are useless in light of coming events and where the story is. There will be far more character and many of current cast will all get development. The story doesn't care who goes first, its not race and the plot does not end with her. So this end ups being much ado about nothing. As by the book that this show is being adapted, it still doesn't take away from the fact that Emilia feels less of an actual character and more of a plot device used to motivate Subaru whenever he's in pain or becomes despondent. You cannot deny that in the current arc, all she has done is pop in and out of the show at intervals to offer an exposition or to allow Subaru to talk himself into a motivated state. Even during the resolution of this arc, she was hardly to be found till the very end. I do recall some viewers also taking issue with this. Except I can because most of lighthearted and comedic scenes have been between him and her so wasn't just emotional help. She also never offered much exposition and most of her conversations with Subaru were small talk just like with the twins. You got more exposition from Ram and Betty then Emilia. And she wasn't in the resolution of the arc because Puck had stopped her from going. The whole point of the date in he epilogue is a simply a book end and a callback to the beginning of the arc where he could finally spend some time with her LIKE ACTUAL FRIENDS DO. Please don't use terms you don't know. That not how it works. Emilia can't be a plot device when she took a backseat in this arc and the incident end without her influencing things directly. The goal of this arc was solve the mystery of Subaru's death, his date Emilia has nothing to do with that is just minor subplot. Betty and Roswaal would be a better example of plot devices and even then it still wouldn't be true. Her role was simply to be a supporting character here this time because this arc isn't about her. |
Iron_MawJun 14, 2016 2:57 AM
Jagd84 said: @MonoReaper Dude don't post spoilers here r at least use tags. And correction @L-Ryoshi I don't particular care what you think of Emilia or any other character. I'm merely telling you the truth of what is there. If can't accept and you're suddenly confused about some stuff is your problem. Many WN and LN readers have been just fine with how the plot has the characters and story so I don't buy your excuses/position. Your complaints are useless in light of coming events and where the story is. There will be far more character and many of current cast will all get development. The story doesn't care care goes first, its not race and the plot closes or ends with her. So this end ups being much ado about nothing. You say you don't care, and yet here you are writing a reply with underlying insults and an air of superiority simply because you read the LN and know what is to be coming (you've referenced it enough). You write to express your opinion and yet when others do it, they're idiots because they don't match yours. Hypocritical much? And for god sake fix your grammar. Your last two sentences make no sense at all. |
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L-Ryoshi said: Jagd84 said: @MonoReaper Dude don't post spoilers here r at least use tags. And correction @L-Ryoshi I don't particular care what you think of Emilia or any other character. I'm merely telling you the truth of what is there. If can't accept and you're suddenly confused about some stuff is your problem. Many WN and LN readers have been just fine with how the plot has the characters and story so I don't buy your excuses/position. Your complaints are useless in light of coming events and where the story is. There will be far more character and many of current cast will all get development. The story doesn't care care goes first, its not race and the plot closes or ends with her. So this end ups being much ado about nothing. You say you don't care, and yet here you are writing a reply with underlying insults and an air of superiority simply because you read the LN and know what is to be coming (you've referenced it enough). You write to express your opinion and yet when others do it, they're idiots because they don't match yours. Hypocritical much? And for god sake fix your grammar. Your last two sentences make no sense at all. Except I haven't written any insults to you, just pointed out your flaws here and there. Yes part of the point in my reply is because I know what is coming, but most of it is just common literature sense. But I know you don't even like this show so there little wonder that why you are so biased. So yeah I should stop because it is a wasted effort on such a discussion. |
L-Ryoshi said: MonoReaper said: Well a show that has a strong focus on his MC is no suprise? After all the standard concept of a movie/series/book`s and so on is to follow a lead protagonist. I'm not saying it's bad to focus solely on the lead protagonist. My comment is and always has been that the supposed female lead has been pretty much relegated to a plot device that pops in every so often when things are going bad for the lead protagonist as opposed to a genuine character that people would want to care about. Its not bad to focus on lead protag. But this show has also shown that it can focus on BOTH lead protag and other characters - a lot of this arc focused on Subaru and yet it also gave BRILLIANT development to Rem, Ram, Beatrice and even Roswaal. Emilia is the one that stands out as getting zero depth or relevance beyond being prize. So its less "oh its focus on protagonist" and more of "Oh its NOT focusing on her" for whatever reason. |
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| This inferiority complex was so depressing it made the episode better for me. This little incident was really stretched out but is finally over. At least, they connected it to the main female story and gave an heavy hint toward the direction (well, we figured it out before, but it's nice). I am sure many of the things left here and there will be cleared/explained in ulterior chapters but I am still quite annoyed about one thing: the hero was so much in the middle of the action that he's back to his "no questioning about the weird things happening" state. Without Roswald there would be nothing about the beasts origin, and Subaru is so happy he forgot he was murdered several times (proof that whatever bonding he makes is pretty weak and isn't reliable). Also, did he clear every murder's whereabouts? 4/5 |
Jagd84 said: L-Ryoshi said: You say you don't care, and yet here you are writing a reply with underlying insults and an air of superiority simply because you read the LN and know what is to be coming (you've referenced it enough). You write to express your opinion and yet when others do it, they're idiots because they don't match yours. Hypocritical much? And for god sake fix your grammar. Your last two sentences make no sense at all. Except I haven't written any insults to you, just pointed out your flaws here and there. Yes part of the point in my reply is because I know what is coming, but most of it is just common literature sense. But I know you don't even like this show so there little wonder that why you are so biased. So yeah I should stop because it is a wasted effort on such a discussion. Keep telling yourself that. Anyone who's been following your conversations can sense the arrogant and insulting tone that you throw out at people who don't agree with your viewpoint. Just because you barely stop short of calling everyone either ignorant, unobservant or biased doesn't mean that we can't sense your tone. Oh, wait... you actually DID say those things about not just me, but others as well. I could go back and grab stuff out of your previous posts, but I'd rather not waste my time with your ridiculous denial. If you want to act like a downright asshole, then just go ahead and go through with it. Don't track back like you're doing because I'm calling you out on it. You look dumb enough trying to play the victim here when what you've been posting has been pretty much the tone of the arrogant aggressor. |
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Rei366 said: but I am still quite annoyed about one thing: the hero was so much in the middle of the action that he's back to his "no questioning about the weird things happening" state. Without Roswald there would be nothing about the beasts origin, and Subaru is so happy he forgot he was murdered several times (proof that whatever bonding he makes is pretty weak and isn't reliable). Also, did he clear every murder's whereabouts? 4/5 You're forgetting one thing though. He's still only been this world for a short time. He wouldn't know what "normal" here is. It make a lot more sense for Roswaal and Ram to muse on it because they have actually lived here. As far as Subaru knows the dog who could use magic, kill people through curses, turn into a giant and break barriers is the culprit like most of viewers initially thought. So standard common sense doesn't apply. Does that make sense? L-Ryoshi said: Keep telling yourself that. I can say the same about everything you have said up til this point. Let's drop it already and just agree to disagree. If that is how want to interpret the show fine. And calling you biased isn't an insult. That is exactly what your argument has been like because you selectively deny what the show has showed, implied or hinted at even when someone brings it up. |
Iron_MawJun 14, 2016 3:35 AM
| @Jagd84 Thank you. One interrogation less. ^^ (I never thought about it like this, because I had the impression we were supposed to suspect one of the "dog's kids" from the start) |
Jagd84 said: Rei366 said: but I am still quite annoyed about one thing: the hero was so much in the middle of the action that he's back to his "no questioning about the weird things happening" state. Without Roswald there would be nothing about the beasts origin, and Subaru is so happy he forgot he was murdered several times (proof that whatever bonding he makes is pretty weak and isn't reliable). Also, did he clear every murder's whereabouts? 4/5 You're forgetting one thing though. He's still only been this world for a short time. He wouldn't know what "normal" here is. It make a lot more sense for Roswaal and Ram to muse on it because they have actually lived here. As far as Subaru knows the dog who could use magic, kill people through curses, turn into a giant and break barriers is the culprit like most of viewers initially thought. So standard common sense doesn't apply. Does that make sense? I can say the same about everything you have said of up til this point. Let's drop already and just agree to disagree. If that is how want to interpret the show fine. To be perfectly honest, I'd never had that big of an issue with the show. Said it before and I'll say it again, I love watching Barusu waddle in death and despair. I do have an issue with you and your arrogant tone though. I don't mind having different interpretations of the show with other people, but I don't take lightly to people insulting others when opinions differ. Just because you know a little more than the average viewer doesn't mean you can call their opinions ignorant, unobservant or biased. Learn some etiquette and humility, keyboard warrior. |
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Fai said: L-Ryoshi said: I'm not saying it's bad to focus solely on the lead protagonist. My comment is and always has been that the supposed female lead has been pretty much relegated to a plot device that pops in every so often when things are going bad for the lead protagonist as opposed to a genuine character that people would want to care about. Its not bad to focus on lead protag. But this show has also shown that it can focus on BOTH lead protag and other characters - a lot of this arc focused on Subaru and yet it also gave BRILLIANT development to Rem, Ram, Beatrice and even Roswaal. Emilia is the one that stands out as getting zero depth or relevance beyond being prize. So its less "oh its focus on protagonist" and more of "Oh its NOT focusing on her" for whatever reason. Ahhh okay. 1+ I am also curious about Emilia and her backstory and overall character. What is the relationshipt between her and Puck and how did they end up together. We saw a lot of Subaru x Combat skirt maid time and the whole curse arc. But i understand the logic behind Emilia is busy because all that stuff is happening in the Kingdom. The royal bloodline is wiped out for some reason^^. The royal election is near, her emblem/crest is stolen and than that lip licking lady goes rampage. Subaru is headlong in love with her she is his....hope i guess? It feels like she is left out. But not much time passed. For us weeks for them only 8 days in "Subaru lives timeline" Sooooooo it doesnt bother me that much because nothing big happend so far. Subaru has no clear goal so far and is trying to survive. And this is only the introduction/world-building Arc. At least that`s what i think |
Rei366 said: @Jagd84 Thank you. One interrogation less. ^^ (I never thought about it like this, because I had the impression we were supposed to suspect one of the "dog's kids" from the start) No prob. The fact the you pick up on it early just shows that you are more observant than others. L-Ryoshi said: To be perfectly honest, I'd never had that big of an issue with the show. Said it before and I'll say it again, I love watching Barusu waddle in death and despair. I do have an issue with you and your arrogant tone though. I don't mind having different interpretations of the show with other people, but I don't take lightly to people insulting others when opinions differ. Just because you know a little more than the average viewer doesn't mean you can call their opinions ignorant, unobservant or biased. Learn some etiquette and humility, keyboard warrior. Like I said before, I don't have problem with you disliking or liking any character or one thing in the show. What my issue is you parading around your opinions as fact. At least that is how you come across to me. I admit that my tone may be abrasive sometimes, but I don't really insult people. At very least I don't view calling someone "biased' as an insult, just a descriptor MonoReaper said: Subaru has no clear goal so far and is trying to survive. Actually he told Emilia back in episode 4 when she ask him about this that his goal at moment is to simply build a stable life for the time being. Taking the job as butler is part of the reason he did that and the other being he can be somewhere with people he knows. he's got nowhere to go anyway. Yes Emilia is supposed to mysterious to extent for the time being. She one few characters has things gradually revealed about her in each Arc. In Arc 3 in particular something interesting regarding the nature between Emilia's and Puck's contract will be revealed. |
Iron_MawJun 14, 2016 4:00 AM
Jagd84 said: Rei366 said: @Jagd84 Thank you. One interrogation less. ^^ (I never thought about it like this, because I had the impression we were supposed to suspect one of the "dog's kids" from the start) No prob. The fact the you pick up on it early just shows that you are more observant than others. L-Ryoshi said: To be perfectly honest, I'd never had that big of an issue with the show. Said it before and I'll say it again, I love watching Barusu waddle in death and despair. I do have an issue with you and your arrogant tone though. I don't mind having different interpretations of the show with other people, but I don't take lightly to people insulting others when opinions differ. Just because you know a little more than the average viewer doesn't mean you can call their opinions ignorant, unobservant or biased. Learn some etiquette and humility, keyboard warrior. Like I said before, I don't have problem with you disliking or liking any character or one thing in the show. What my issue is you parading around your opinions as fact. At least that is how you come across to me. I admit that my tone may be abrasive sometimes, but I don't really insult people. At very least I don't view calling someone "biased' as an insult, just a descriptor Interesting insight, at what point did I post my opinion as fact? Heck, what "fact" did I post up that you consider as an opinion? Would you like to find a post of mine that did so? Seriously stop twisting your story around to look like a victim. |
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| Geez, a lot of bad blood here. I think it's kinda ironic that most of the problems some people have here ( *cough* Emilia ) will be solved and go puff anyway. Only a matter of patience and realizing that this is still at the start of the entire story, has nothing to do with poor writing which is a throwaway argument is used here very lightly. :). |
Fappa said: Geez, a lot of bad blood here. I think it's kinda ironic that most of the problems some people have here ( *cough* Emilia ) will be solved and go puff anyway. Only a matter of patience and realizing that this is still at the start of the entire story, has nothing to do with poor writing which is a throwaway argument is used here very lightly. :). If you take a character on a boat journey and then forget about him for 3 seasons(yes, i am still salty about GOT and bad writing that surrounds that mess) as everyone else does stuff relevant and grows in some way, then yes it is a bad writing. If you take a 100 hour story and for one of supposed key characters, for 80 hours in row you literally just have this on repeat before anything about the character becomes relevant more than that, then yes it IS bad writing. "Oh its introduction" does not mean that one of key characters should be reduced to literally prize scenes. That fate did not befell felt. Or rem and ram. Or Roswaal. Or any other character. Its a problem isolated around Emilia. Roswaal is just as mysterious of a character, but his scenes serve a purpose, they are not about subaru or pandering. Emilia literally had nothing but literally variations of same support scene play out in this arc. If you put up a character as literal trophy for MC for like 10+ episodes, then it IS bad. Not to mention that Subaru's(and the show's) worship of her purity is REALLY grating. |
AhenshihaelJun 14, 2016 4:25 AM
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Fai said: Fappa said: Geez, a lot of bad blood here. I think it's kinda ironic that most of the problems some people have here ( *cough* Emilia ) will be solved and go puff anyway. Only a matter of patience and realizing that this is still at the start of the entire story, has nothing to do with poor writing which is a throwaway argument is used here very lightly. :). If you take a character on a boat journey and then forget about him for 3 seasons(yes, i am still salty about GOT and bad writing that surrounds that mess) as everyone else does stuff relevant and grows in some way, then yes it is a bad writing. "Oh its introduction" does not mean that one of key characters should be reduced to literally prize scenes. That fate did not befell felt. Or rem and ram. Or Roswaal. Or any other character. Its a problem isolated around Emilia. Not to mention that Subaru's(and the show's) worship of her purity is REALLY grating. Hahahah that Berserk joke. I love it. But why so mad bro? I know we had a lot of that 12 episode block shit. In the good old days with 37 epsiode shows or 17, 21, 64 episodes. It was amazing. A story told in a 12 episode format is most likely faster told and rushed as a long running show. Sooooi i can`t understand that much drama about nothing xD. |
MonoReaperJun 14, 2016 4:24 AM
L-Ryoshi said: Interesting insight, at what point did I post my opinion as fact? Heck, what "fact" did I post up that you consider as an opinion? Would you like to find a post of mine that did so? Seriously stop twisting your story around to look like a victim. Ironic, you just complaining about me condescending, but then turn around and say that. Then you dare to get me on me about it? *rolleyes* Look man I don't really don't get into this again: There are plenty of examples but I'm just gonna this one here and leave. As by the book that this show is being adapted, it still doesn't take away from the fact that Emilia feels less of an actual character and more of a plot device used to motivate Subaru whenever he's in pain or becomes despondent. You cannot deny that in the current arc, all she has done is pop in and out of the show at intervals to offer an exposition or to allow Subaru to talk himself into a motivated state. Even during the resolution of this arc, she was hardly to be found till the very end. I do recall some viewers also taking issue with this. This not post of who recognizes that his interpretations are just opinions, don't kid yourself. Okay then, good-bye! |
Fai said: "Oh its introduction" does not mean that one of key characters should be reduced to literally prize scenes. That fate did not befell felt. Or rem and ram. Or Roswaal. Or any other character. Its a problem isolated around Emilia. Again what are these prize scenes? She treated as entirely normal by everyone in the mansion. She ignored most of Subaru's usually flirting and even gotten annoyed at him on occasion about it. Otherwise she been presented as normal fairly sensible person with a mysterious past. Not to mention that Subaru's(and the show's) worship of her purity is REALLY grating. So the compliant is that he's smitten with her? That's in no way her fault and you should be annoyed at Subaru instead not the other person in question. If he was doing this Rem or Betty what difference would it make? He would just be calling Rem RMT or Betty BMT then. Subaru's otaku so no surprise he express his feelings in a otaku like manner. That is only way he knows how. Like when pointed he pointed how awesome Rem and Ram's maid attire was, or Rem had bigger boobs Ram. Or how he would to se Rem in a dres to motivated to work harder. There nothing to say about all his loli theme nickname and jokes of Betty. In fact he's pretty much like that everyone except Roswaal. He's doesn't mean any harm by it and his feeling are genuine, but it is gonna be a love or hate it thing depending on the person. But otherwise the show isn't putting up any airs about her, just Subaru. |
Iron_MawJun 14, 2016 10:49 AM
Jagd84 said: L-Ryoshi said: Interesting insight, at what point did I post my opinion as fact? Heck, what "fact" did I post up that you consider as an opinion? Would you like to find a post of mine that did so? Seriously stop twisting your story around to look like a victim. Ironic, you just complaining about me condescending, but then turn around and say that. Then you dare to get me on me about it? *rolleyes* Look man I don't really don't get into this again: There are plenty of examples but I'm just gonna this one here and leave. As by the book that this show is being adapted, it still doesn't take away from the fact that Emilia feels less of an actual character and more of a plot device used to motivate Subaru whenever he's in pain or becomes despondent. You cannot deny that in the current arc, all she has done is pop in and out of the show at intervals to offer an exposition or to allow Subaru to talk himself into a motivated state. Even during the resolution of this arc, she was hardly to be found till the very end. I do recall some viewers also taking issue with this. This not post of who recognizes that his interpretations are just opinions, don't kid yourself. Okay then, good-bye! Suit yourself mate. I used the words "feels like". When was my opinion a definite "this is fact"? Try again mate. Perhaps you should learn more about the nuances of the English language before taking every word at literal face value. As for acting condescending, it's just a tiny fraction of what you blasted at me for a few pages. I could tell you to take your arrogant attitude and go screw yourself, but I'd rather not stoop down to your level. You have a nice day, mate. |
L-RyoshiJun 14, 2016 4:50 AM
HESTIA APPROVES |
| Ep was as meh as the rest of the series. Emilia has been shafted for how long now? 1.5/5 |
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| Finally the final episode of this arc and the best arc comes next. BTW....Will arc 3 get finished by the time this season ends?? |
jbuster213Jun 14, 2016 5:01 AM
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jbuster213 said: Will arc 3 get finished by the time this season ends?? Yes. It's basically the entire 2md half of the show. |
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