German Parliament recognizes the Massacres of the Armenians as a Genocide - and Erdoğan acting salty again

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Jun 3, 2016 12:02 PM

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Well done Germany, I was real pissed when you let that comedian face prosecution for making fun of Erdogollum but now I have slightly more faith in you

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Jun 3, 2016 2:20 PM

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It was about time. Good job.

Jun 3, 2016 2:26 PM

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System of the down will make a song about this

Jun 3, 2016 2:42 PM

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Lol at even trying to keep on the denial in this day and age.

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Jun 3, 2016 2:56 PM

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Erdogan should just accept the fact it happened... and like Japan and US,never apologize.

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Jun 3, 2016 4:22 PM

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FiftyCentsArmy said:
Erdogan should just accept the fact it happened... and like Japan and US,never apologize.

In that case, no apologies for Western colonialism, and no letting in the entire third world. Right?

Jun 3, 2016 5:07 PM

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Altairius said:

In that case, admission for Western colonialism, and no apologies for ruing the Middle east. Right?

fix that for you.

Anyway, I was being sarcastic.

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Jun 4, 2016 4:05 AM

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Comic_Sans said:
Well done Germany, I was real pissed when you let that comedian face prosecution for making fun of Erdogollum but now I have slightly more faith in you

Actually, I found the Prosecution pretty legit. There's a big Difference between Making Fun of someone and insulting someone.

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System of the down will make a song about this

Aren't they called "System of a Down"?

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Lol at even trying to keep on the denial in this day and age.

I thought the Problem was with recognizing it as a Genocide.
I liked the Statement of one of the Members in Parliament who had said that you shouldn't believe everything you're being told, including what is written in the History Books and not even what was being said during the Session in the Parliament. He also encouraged the People to read the Original Sources.

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Jun 4, 2016 4:33 AM

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Noboru said:
Actually, I found the Prosecution pretty legit. There's a big Difference between Making Fun of someone and insulting someone.

So what? It was satire and he has freedom of speech

I'm just going to go ahead and quote this post because it sums up my opinion on the matter pretty well:

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Oh please, every western ideal under the sun has been endlessly ridiculed and satirised to the point where it's not even seen as remotely controversial or interesting to satirise them any more.

As long as the satirist in question isn't slandering Erdogan, Erdogan is obviously fair game for a slew of insults.

For the record, slander is making claims about another which are definitely false. Insulting someone isn't slander.

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Jun 4, 2016 5:15 AM

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I'm actually not surprised it is denied. I have never met another person who is even aware of the genocide against the Armenians.

Oh, and my stance on it is that it was indeed genocide.

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Jun 4, 2016 5:50 AM

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Comic_Sans said:

Noboru said:
Actually, I found the Prosecution pretty legit. There's a big Difference between Making Fun of someone and insulting someone.

So what? It was satire and he has freedom of speech

With that Logic, I could easily offend anyone and say that it were Satire.
Freedom of Speech has its Limits and that's where other Rights are restricted for Example. I'll also quote myself from another Thread.

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Human Dignity is considered the most important Basic Right in the EU. That's why it's the very first Article of the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights:

The dignity of the human person is not only a fundamental right in itself but constitutes the real basis of fundamental rights.[...]
It results that none of the rights laid down in this Charter may be used to harm the dignity of another person, and that the dignity of the human person is part of the substance of the rights laid down in this Charter. It must therefore be respected, even where a right is restricted.

There's a big Difference if you use the Freedom of Speech to just get your Point across or if you abuse it in Order to humiliate someone. The former is okay, the latter isn't. I don't see any Problem with something like that, but this here really takes Satire too far imho.

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I'm actually not surprised it is denied. I have never met another person who is even aware of the genocide against the Armenians.

It doesn't surprise me either, considering that only one Genocide out of the umpteenth ones that were completely normal in Human History gets in the Spot Light.

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Jun 4, 2016 6:20 AM

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Nobor6 said:
With that Logic, I could easily offend anyone and say that it were Satire.

What kind of strawman is this? I was talking about Böhmermann (I think that was his name) and Böhmermann only. I wasn't talking about insulting people in general

Freedom of Speech has its Limits and that's where other Rights are restricted for Example.

"Freedom of speech has its limits"? I think the first amendment of the U.S. constitution would like to have a word with you

I'll also quote myself from another Thread.

Noboru said:
Human Dignity is considered the most important Basic Right in the EU. That's why it's the very first Article of the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights:

Except that Böhmermann did use his freedom of speech to get his point across ("Erdogan, you are a dumb tyrant") so your claim is BS

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Jun 4, 2016 8:28 AM

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I was talking about Böhmermann (I think that was his name) and Böhmermann only. I wasn't talking about insulting people in general

It's the same Thing altogether. Just because it was an official Show and the one who was offended a Person of public Interest doesn't make it right to abuse the Freedom of Speech for such Purposes.

"Freedom of speech has its limits"? I think the first amendment of the U.S. constitution would like to have a word with you

First of all, we're living in the EU as well as Böhmermann and therefore, EU Laws apply to us.
And secondly, even the First Amendment doesn't include absolute Freedom of Speech. Types of Speech Restrictions.

Except that Böhmermann did use his freedom of speech to get his point across ("Erdogan, you are a dumb tyrant") so your claim is BS

All I saw was him using low down Expressions without any Basis. I don't criticize what he wanted to convey, but rather how he did it and I just find it going way too far. There are other Topics like the actual Subject of this Thread to criticize Turkey and Erdoğan about, but the Böhmermann Case isn't one.

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Jun 4, 2016 9:01 AM

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