| I mean I don't really get it. Does anyone know about this? Why are they preferred over hand drawn animation? EDIT: Just in case you were wondering where this question came from: |
Gesu-May 19, 2016 5:28 AM
| Unlimited space, limitless ink,unbreakable pencil, and eraser that doesn't leave a mark. |
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| Its faster in every single way :3 All dem colors, helpful tools and other junk is already there :3 |
| Paperless, and possibly tableless |
KaiserNazrin said: Unlimited space, limitless ink,unbreakable pencil, and eraser that doesn't leave a mark. Robiiii said: Its faster in every single way :3 All dem colors, helpful tools and other junk is already there :3 But is it really worth ditching hand drawn animation all together & buying a brand new computer for that? Watch the video.. |
| The saving of time and money. When you acquire the ability, the computer is generally more fast than draw-hand, and especially if you have to paint, you haven't spend moneys for colors and whatever other tool. And you can correct the drawing infinite times. But this it isn't always good, because it can push the artist at mania of perfectionism, and if you're learn to draw, this could get slower your learning, the error is more important than a drawings without errors(and I remember than the perfect drawings doesn't exist, so the perfectionism is useless). Maybe the limit of a computer is to seems more cold in the final drawings respect to a draw-hand, with a bit of attention you can distinguish the pc drawing with a hand drawings. Anyway I think each one use own method, sure a complete artist sholud to be able to use both technique |
| what everyone else said. also, it saves a LOT of time. |
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| Basically, all the virtual tools are perfect. Ideally flat colors which never fade. Pens as thin or as thick as you want. You don't have to waste time scanning. Really, there is only one problem - you have to get used to using that electronic pen, it's markedly different from real pencils. |
flannan said: . Really, there is only one problem - you have to get used to using that electronic pen, it's markedly different from real pencils. That's what I thought. I used a Graphics tablet the other day just to try it out & the electronic pen didn't have that tactile feel you get while using a regular HB pencil.. |
| Well, one of the benefits is that you can draw on a 3D plane, whereas with hand drawn animation, you're only able to draw on a 2D plane; then there's productivity that software tools provide, undo and redo options if you messed something up, whereas in hand drawn it's kind of hard to undo something that you messed; then you have colors, effects and lighting effects that are easier to add and/or use than when using hand drawn animation; and lastly, there's the labor required and how time consuming is hand drawn animation. I'd say these are some of the benefits, altho, both animation styles have their pros and cons. Japanese animation, and, probably most animations nowadays are using a mix of both, hand drawn with CG. |
ourielMay 19, 2016 6:08 AM
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| It saves a lot of time and a lot of money in the long run. As long as you got a good/decent tablet that you take care of and the drawing/animation software can be updated, then it can be used for a long time without spending so much money on paper, ink, colors, erasers, rulers....etc. all those art tools. Plus, the ERASER THAT DOESN'T LEAVE A MARK and the awesome bucket tool ;___ ; +100 HAHA I've been practicing using a graphic tablet for a while now, and I do notice that it is easier to draw using a paper and pencil because of the paper's texture, but once you get used to using the tablet, your art does get better. |
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Gesu- said: KaiserNazrin said: Unlimited space, limitless ink,unbreakable pencil, and eraser that doesn't leave a mark. Robiiii said: Its faster in every single way :3 All dem colors, helpful tools and other junk is already there :3 But is it really worth ditching hand drawn animation all together & buying a brand new computer for that? Watch the video.. You make it sounds like digital drawing require high end computer but in reality any computer that can run Paint can do it, all you need is a tablet and its not that expensive either. Nope. |
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KaiserNazrin said: Gesu- said: But is it really worth ditching hand drawn animation all together & buying a brand new computer for that? Watch the video.. You make it sounds like digital drawing require high end computer but in reality any computer that can run Paint can do it, all you need is a tablet and its not that expensive either. Nope. It does require a high end computer(i7 or equivalent, nVidia Quadro or equivalent, 32gb or 64gb of RAM), else CG animated movies wouldn't take so long to make. Studios like Pixar have very big render farms. For example, a simple 3D 1080p animation reel that is 2-5 min. long can take to render one or more months. |
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ouriel said: KaiserNazrin said: You make it sounds like digital drawing require high end computer but in reality any computer that can run Paint can do it, all you need is a tablet and its not that expensive either. Nope. It does require a high end computer(i7 or equivalent, nVidia Quadro or equivalent, 32gb or 64gb of RAM), else CG animated movies wouldn't take so long to make. Studios like Pixar have very big render farms. For example, a simple 3D 1080p animation reel that is 2-5 min. long can take to render one or more months. I said digital drawing. Animation company would've no trouble getting such computer and would save a lot more than traditional animation. |
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| erasable layers, and leaves no mark when you erase something, and easier coloring |
| The computer exisists in digital space. Your artwork on it is nothing but small pixels on an illuminated screen. One of the many things I hate about the complete mistake that is the anime industry is the use of computers as they are easier to use. A real pencil and paper is and always will be the superior way. If you wanna be a lazy slug, use a tablet. If you want to be a superior human use the materials our lord Allah provided us when the world was made, use traditional. Fuck |
prxsaic said: erasable layers, and leaves no mark when you erase something, and easier coloring How exactly is it easier? Okay, if we were to talk about filling colors in, then yes, I agree. But how is cel & plastic shading carried out? |
Gesu- said: prxsaic said: erasable layers, and leaves no mark when you erase something, and easier coloring How exactly is it easier? Okay, if we were to talk about filling colors in, then yes, I agree. But how is cel & plastic shading carried out? You could look at tutorials depending on what software you use though... it's easier depending on what software you use. (It's easier to do in Clip Studio paint btw... well imo) Like in Sai, the airbrush + eraser/transparent color and in Clip Studio Paint.... they actually have this feature that lets you do that there's also one in Adobe Illustrator .... http://smallbusiness.chron.com/flat-shade-adobe-illustrator-35929.html |
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KaiserNazrin said: ouriel said: It does require a high end computer(i7 or equivalent, nVidia Quadro or equivalent, 32gb or 64gb of RAM), else CG animated movies wouldn't take so long to make. Studios like Pixar have very big render farms. For example, a simple 3D 1080p animation reel that is 2-5 min. long can take to render one or more months. I said digital drawing. Animation company would've no trouble getting such computer. Depends on the software you'll be using, Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, Maya, 3ds Max or AutoCAD; Photoshop might not require much resources, but when working with big images, it'll require a decent computer, same with the other Adobe softwares; with Maya or AutoCAD, you'll need a high-end computer, especially if you're working with Maya, 3ds Max or AutoCAD because you'll need the power to render the image or the object that you have created and this requires a lot of power. :) Edit; I was/am basing this on an individual level, not on a corporative level. |
ourielMay 19, 2016 7:40 AM
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ouriel said: KaiserNazrin said: I said digital drawing. Animation company would've no trouble getting such computer. Depends on the software you'll be using, Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, Maya, 3ds Max or AutoCAD; Photoshop might not require much resources, but when working with big images, it'll require a decent computer, same with the other Adobe softwares; with Maya or AutoCAD, you'll need a high-end computer, especially if you're working with Maya, 3ds Max or AutoCAD because you'll need the power to render the image or the object that you have created and this requires a lot of power. :) Yeah, 3D graphics really makes your PC laggy if it doesn't have enough resources, but as what the prev person said, for digital drawing like normal anime drawing/manga making... a high end pc is not really necessary.... just one with a really big Ram (not that expensive), good video/graphics card (heck I don't even use one lol), updated drivers.... as long as your software is compatible to it, you're good to go. |
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| I'm bad in art myself. In both analog and digital medium But when I see someone's illustrations made by some illustrator , I cannot help but be dumbfounded. Analog painting creates noise and if anything goes wrong, you have to start from the beginning. Digital art doesn't have these limitations. |
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Thug_Gou said: ouriel said: Depends on the software you'll be using, Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, Maya, 3ds Max or AutoCAD; Photoshop might not require much resources, but when working with big images, it'll require a decent computer, same with the other Adobe softwares; with Maya or AutoCAD, you'll need a high-end computer, especially if you're working with Maya, 3ds Max or AutoCAD because you'll need the power to render the image or the object that you have created and this requires a lot of power. :) Yeah, 3D graphics really makes your PC laggy if it doesn't have enough resources, but as what the prev person said, for digital drawing like normal anime drawing/manga making... a high end pc is not really necessary.... just one with a really big Ram (not that expensive), good video/graphics card (heck I don't even use one lol), updated drivers.... as long as your software is compatible to it, you're good to go. But, anime nowadays are being made as a mix of 2d and 3d, and even if we're using a software like Illustrator and Photoshop, then Sony Vegas or After Effects and Premiere for animation, effects and editing, the render is once again going to have an impact on the computer; it doesn't have as much data to render as a 3d model will have, but it'll still take a lot of time and resources. :) |
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ouriel said: Thug_Gou said: Yeah, 3D graphics really makes your PC laggy if it doesn't have enough resources, but as what the prev person said, for digital drawing like normal anime drawing/manga making... a high end pc is not really necessary.... just one with a really big Ram (not that expensive), good video/graphics card (heck I don't even use one lol), updated drivers.... as long as your software is compatible to it, you're good to go. But, anime nowadays are being made as a mix of 2d and 3d, and even if we're using a software like Illustrator and Photoshop, then Sony Vegas or After Effects and Premiere for animation, effects and editing, the render is once again going to have an impact on the computer; it doesn't have as much data to render as a 3d model will have, but it'll still take a lot of time and resources. lol your examples are not Japanese anime, I mean they are technically anime----animations, but they're uh 2D + 3D. I was only referring to simple 2D (Japanese) anime, that doesn't use that much resources. For example, I don't think Tonari no Seki-kun uses 3D technology. (ooor or or or does it? O_o) I mean, it's clearly just 2D right? (While in this clip, it does feature a mix of traditional and digital animation, he's still using his PC to color and actually animate it, but that's not the point of this example xD) I don't think making this anime uses a lot of computer resources... ~~Also some artists in Pixiv make simple and short animations, using not really high end hardware and software. |
Thug_GouMay 19, 2016 8:23 AM
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| I agree with every other posters said, no need for me to retype everything back here. What the benefit of a hand drawing has over a digital one is the authenticity imo, that is probably what Miyazaki intended to keep. This is unrelated though but I ever read about some ideologist Hollywood directors prefer using film camera to digital, it might be for the same reason. A good hand drawn product is a pure result of a meticulous and passionate work from the skillful animator, unlike the digital one which partly is helped by the program/computer itself and what Miyazaki said in that video, an animator who wasn't good to begin with will become lousier and lousier if he just using digital technique but with hand drawing the more you draw the more you develop your skill. |
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| Everything can be done faster u can make all the mistakes you want Can find and mix ANY colors Layers so u can do one thing w/o ruining something else U don't have to sharpen pencils or worry about smudges If it's not obvious by now idk what to say lol |
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Thug_Gou said: ouriel said: But, anime nowadays are being made as a mix of 2d and 3d, and even if we're using a software like Illustrator and Photoshop, then Sony Vegas or After Effects and Premiere for animation, effects and editing, the render is once again going to have an impact on the computer; it doesn't have as much data to render as a 3d model will have, but it'll still take a lot of time and resources. lol your examples are not Japanese anime, I mean they are technically anime----animations, but they're uh 2D + 3D. I was only referring to simple 2D (Japanese) anime, that doesn't use that much resources. For example, I don't think Tonari no Seki-kun uses 3D technology. (ooor or or or does it? O_o) I mean, it's clearly just 2D right? (While in this clip, it does feature a mix of traditional and digital animation, he's still using his PC to color and actually animate it, but that's not the point of this example xD) I don't think making this anime uses a lot of computer resources... ~~Also some artists in Pixiv make simple and short animations, using not really high end hardware and software. Well, neither you, nor @KaiserNazrin are wrong, when it comes to drawing in 2D plane, the thing that requires resources is the rendering process, it doesn't have to be the highest end computer, but you'll need a decent computer to render it, depending on how many details you have in the animation and on how many frames is being made in. :D However, I don't know, but I think this anime is a mix of 2d and 3d; 2d characters in a 3d environment. Someone that is more versed in the animation than I am can probably give you a better answer. :) With the two examples that I used, I wanted to say that anime nowadays is using that style, a mix of 2d and 3d; Ufotable is making an illusion so that the animation looks like it's 2d, but it's made in 3d. |
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| if we are talking about either drawing or computer i prefer drawing obviously but in the end it comes to money. enough budget or not. He said it will save them some money if they use hand-drawing instead of computer. but if you actually use computer, it would save much more money than before i guess. so in the end. it's about fucking money. this is why i hate money! especially if they used CGI which many people don't even want to see from anime. but i guess if they use computer, it would result for a bad animation or it would ended up as CGI maybe (?) if they keep using hand-drawing, it would at least look a little bit better, maybe (?) but i think, still in the end, it's the matter of money/budget. Edit : and i think it's more fun to do if they made it hand-drawing. then they put the detain on the computer. and i don't think they will change it into digital drawing. cause it has already been their habit or more like culture. if they changed it, they would felt like they just changed their culture into a different culture. maybe that is what the guy was talking about in the vid. inb4 ModernTech = Cancer |
YizelTroMay 19, 2016 10:09 AM
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| i draw on the pc because i can simply do more with it than i can with traditional drawing |
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