Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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May 17, 2016 1:14 PM
#751
Jagd84 said: Cabron said: Ninjasander said: He's actually saying "daisuki", as in "I really like you/something". This is also what he's trying to say at the beginning of the episode before his throath was slit. It was translated to "I like you" instead of "love" that time, before he was literally cut off, so I'm not sure why the subbers decided to change it the second time around. "Daisuki" is a word of affection, but not with as many romantic connotations as a simple "suki" or the literal "I love you", "Aishiteru", would have. "Daisuki" wouldn't really have been used in a romantic context. "Like"/"Love" in japanese is very reliant on the context it is used in. But I don't know, it's that scene that made me cringe. You heard wrong he said "Ai" not daisuki. There different words for love in Japanese. He has no romance feelings for twins at all. The point is that he like them more then friends less than lovers. Not sure how you heard that, but I've rewatched both scenes. It's "daisuki", which is more appropriate when talking about familiar "love". It would make even less sense if he said "ai". "Ai" is usually a deep love that japanese people rarely use to express themselves. If you use "ai" instead of "suki" it has a much stronger implication, it's not something to be said lightly. Read this for more details about the use of "ai" and "koi". http://japanese.about.com/od/japanesecultur1/a/The-Japanese-Words-For-Love.htm |
May 17, 2016 1:47 PM
#753
Ninjasander said: Jagd84 said: Cabron said: Ninjasander said: I know that.He's actually saying "daisuki", as in "I really like you/something". This is also what he's trying to say at the beginning of the episode before his throath was slit. It was translated to "I like you" instead of "love" that time, before he was literally cut off, so I'm not sure why the subbers decided to change it the second time around. "Daisuki" is a word of affection, but not with as many romantic connotations as a simple "suki" or the literal "I love you", "Aishiteru", would have. "Daisuki" wouldn't really have been used in a romantic context. "Like"/"Love" in japanese is very reliant on the context it is used in. But I don't know, it's that scene that made me cringe. You heard wrong he said "Ai" not daisuki. There different words for love in Japanese. He has no romance feelings for twins at all. The point is that he like them more then friends less than lovers. Not sure how you heard that, but I've rewatched both scenes. It's "daisuki", which is more appropriate when talking about familiar "love". It would make even less sense if he said "ai". "Ai" is usually a deep love that japanese people rarely use to express themselves. If you use "ai" instead of "suki" it has a much stronger implication, it's not something to be said lightly. Read this for more details about the use of "ai" and "koi". http://japanese.about.com/od/japanesecultur1/a/The-Japanese-Words-For-Love.htm Oh? I've heard that daisuki=romantic love, while Ai= was the opposite. Thanks for clarification then. |
May 17, 2016 2:13 PM
#754
kamisama751 said: iRels said: Rolls eyes... 'Fitting'? There'd be no story if Subaru wasn't the simpleton, romance-seeking, gamer needy-for-affection that he is. Isn't it obvious that he was brought there just because he is who he is? For him to get involved with Emilia... hoping to live a fairy tale. (She's also one in need of affection, which makes this even easier...) This isn't being 'sh*tted on'. This episode already made it clear that there's some mastermind responsible for bringing Subaru to that world... Not only, but that person is related to the other characters... It's obvious that he was brought there, at the exact moment of Emilia's theft, to end up getting involved with those characters... It HAD to be someone like him... You know that if it were someone like us, the story wouldn't go the way it did. WHICH IS WHY HE WAS CHOSEN. WE WOULDN"T FIT THE 'STORY' (A.K.A: MASTERMIND'S SCHEMES). 'WE' WERE NEVER SUPPOSED TO BE GIVEN FREEDOM OF CHOICE, BUT TO BE CHOSEN. What Subaru was given doesn't appears to be a gift... He was chosen as a tool for a purpose. And it can be justified, as he was feeling detached from his own world (depressed and such.) (In case someone doesn't knows what I'm referring to: It's about conditions in incantations/magic of fantasy. It isn't hard to think that one condition might be that the person had to be feeling detached from his own world for some teleporting spell to be able to bring said person to another...) *grabs popcorn* I think you missunterstood me. What I mean is the comedy doesn't fit in the serious situations. What has that to do with why he is bough to that world? Who says that it doesn't fits? You, right? Well, Subaru does think it fits. And like I said, HE was the chosen one. Someone with your mentality wouldn't be chosen. Get it? You wouldn't fit. Why then you think he's incorrect in his way of be, if it was because of this that he was brought there? It's HIS story. Not YOURS. It was never supposed to be the way YOU think it should. Get a clue. |
May 17, 2016 2:17 PM
#755
Jagd84 said: Ninjasander said: Jagd84 said: Cabron said: Ninjasander said: I know that.He's actually saying "daisuki", as in "I really like you/something". This is also what he's trying to say at the beginning of the episode before his throath was slit. It was translated to "I like you" instead of "love" that time, before he was literally cut off, so I'm not sure why the subbers decided to change it the second time around. "Daisuki" is a word of affection, but not with as many romantic connotations as a simple "suki" or the literal "I love you", "Aishiteru", would have. "Daisuki" wouldn't really have been used in a romantic context. "Like"/"Love" in japanese is very reliant on the context it is used in. But I don't know, it's that scene that made me cringe. You heard wrong he said "Ai" not daisuki. There different words for love in Japanese. He has no romance feelings for twins at all. The point is that he like them more then friends less than lovers. Not sure how you heard that, but I've rewatched both scenes. It's "daisuki", which is more appropriate when talking about familiar "love". It would make even less sense if he said "ai". "Ai" is usually a deep love that japanese people rarely use to express themselves. If you use "ai" instead of "suki" it has a much stronger implication, it's not something to be said lightly. Read this for more details about the use of "ai" and "koi". http://japanese.about.com/od/japanesecultur1/a/The-Japanese-Words-For-Love.htm Oh? I've heard that daisuki=romantic love, while Ai= was the opposite. Thanks for clarification then. I totally get your confusion. It's probably because how ambiguous "suki" can be. It gets even more confusing for us non-native speakers who aren't used to the contexts they are used in. Glad I was able to clarify it! |
May 17, 2016 2:37 PM
#756
There's a lot to like in this episode, but I just couldn't get fully immersed in it because I just can't relate to Subaru in the least. The last scene, for example, was supposed to be powerful and yet I felt nothing because there's just no reason to see him have such feelings for the one who literally killed him brutally a bunch of times. The thing about him not being able to talk about his "revive by death" was quite intriguing, though. |
5 main aspects I base my ratings on: 1. Did DramaEnthusiast make a thread about it? 2. Is it better than Breaking Bad? 3. Did MellowJello recommend the shit out of it? 4. Has it caused a (very entertaining) shitstorm on MAL? 5. Is it actually good? Scratch the fifth point, it's not very relevant... |
May 17, 2016 3:12 PM
#757
They only killed him twice and wasn't even intentionally brutal. That's just way a ball and chain would leave it's impact. It's not fundamental difference getting chopped in half be a sword or axe. More importantly their reasons which never considered until now, but he knows people treated well wouldn't attack him without due cause. |
May 17, 2016 3:41 PM
#758
my first real problem with this anime - they did not set up the general hatred in this world for this witch & the smell well enough for me. It's been there so they've been working it in from ep1 with Emilia using Satella as her name. Kenbu said: murder Subaru over petty suspicions even though he has done nothing to confirm them |
May 17, 2016 3:53 PM
#759
awditty said: my first real problem with this anime - they did not set up the general hatred in this world for this witch & the smell well enough for me. It's been there so they've been working it in from ep1 with Emilia using Satella as her name. Kenbu said: murder Subaru over petty suspicions even though he has done nothing to confirm them I don't see why need to have done yet. They implying that Witch of Envy and anything relating her is taboo and gradually giving us more info about her in every epiosde. We are definitely going get more information about her in next couple now that connection between her and Subaru has be realized. |
May 17, 2016 5:26 PM
#760
I've been watching this show and finding it pretty good, though not at all as amazing as seemingly the whole world is. But this episode right now, oh man... outstanding! |
May 17, 2016 5:31 PM
#761
May 17, 2016 5:33 PM
#762
awditty said: my first real problem with this anime - they did not set up the general hatred in this world for this witch & the smell well enough for me. It's been there so they've been working it in from ep1 with Emilia using Satella as her name. Kenbu said: murder Subaru over petty suspicions even though he has done nothing to confirm them 1.It was made perfectly clear that the name Satella and subsequently the witch is a big taboo when Emilia treated Subaru harshly and the crowd reaction in episode 2. Plus Ram was pretty clear on not talking about the witch from the story book back in episode 6. So yes there has been adequate build up and foreshadowing. 2.Yes Ram acted on pure emotion after her sister was dead after Subaru was acting suspicious...it's almost like she reacted like any human would *gasp*. |
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May 17, 2016 5:57 PM
#763
iRels said: SuperKirei said: Emilia is the biggest Mary Sue in anime. She just has to be flawless and get along perfectly with everyone - even when the rest of the house is turning on each other. Subaru is still an annoying Okabe ripoff, and those maids do a complete character 180 They never had any emotions. Now they're screaming lunatics and trying to kill people because "they might know something" *Narrows eyes* "A Mary Sue for female characters, and Gary Stu, Marty Stu or Larry Stu for male characters, is an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character, a young or low-rank person who saves the day through unrealistic abilities. Often this character is recognized as an author insert or wish-fulfillment." She's simply pure-hearted. Perfect? She's a well-taught noble. You're doing this just for the sake of doing, right? Emilia isn't 'low-rank', nor is she saving anyone through 'unrealistic' abilities. She died in one loop, and almost died in another. What 'wish' would that be fulfilling? I don't even... Subaru isn't Okabe. Okabe doesn't practices exercises and plays games, does he? He's a mad scientist. He's also delusional. Subaru was never. The maids have emotions, but were taught not to show it. Why would they? They're SERVANTS. They're not supposed to disturb the residents. They're not supposed to start pointless conversations and laugh. It's Subaru that is. Why do people start conversations with other people? Because they want to get something out of it - they want to be SERVED. Those maids were well-taught, it's this simple. Even so, with Subaru's insistence, they started interacting with him more than they normally would... Anyway. You must not have seen many anime if that's your understanding of how Emilia isn't Mary Sue. What anime do you watch? Bleach? She is a Mary Sue. To deny it because she died in an alternate timeline is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. I don't care if they're servants, that was their character until now. By your logic, it's impossible for anyone to ever act out of character. |
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May 17, 2016 7:10 PM
#764
SuperKirei said: iRels said: SuperKirei said: Emilia is the biggest Mary Sue in anime. She just has to be flawless and get along perfectly with everyone - even when the rest of the house is turning on each other. Subaru is still an annoying Okabe ripoff, and those maids do a complete character 180 They never had any emotions. Now they're screaming lunatics and trying to kill people because "they might know something" *Narrows eyes* "A Mary Sue for female characters, and Gary Stu, Marty Stu or Larry Stu for male characters, is an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character, a young or low-rank person who saves the day through unrealistic abilities. Often this character is recognized as an author insert or wish-fulfillment." She's simply pure-hearted. Perfect? She's a well-taught noble. You're doing this just for the sake of doing, right? Emilia isn't 'low-rank', nor is she saving anyone through 'unrealistic' abilities. She died in one loop, and almost died in another. What 'wish' would that be fulfilling? I don't even... Subaru isn't Okabe. Okabe doesn't practices exercises and plays games, does he? He's a mad scientist. He's also delusional. Subaru was never. The maids have emotions, but were taught not to show it. Why would they? They're SERVANTS. They're not supposed to disturb the residents. They're not supposed to start pointless conversations and laugh. It's Subaru that is. Why do people start conversations with other people? Because they want to get something out of it - they want to be SERVED. Those maids were well-taught, it's this simple. Even so, with Subaru's insistence, they started interacting with him more than they normally would... Anyway. You must not have seen many anime if that's your understanding of how Emilia isn't Mary Sue. What anime do you watch? Bleach? She is a Mary Sue. To deny it because she died in an alternate timeline is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. I don't care if they're servants, that was their character until now. By your logic, it's impossible for anyone to ever act out of character. Emilia isn't perfect. She's lacking in many areas. (You're making me repeat... Sigh.) ALL that she is, is JUSTIFIABLE. She's a rich noble (was taught well, meaning not ordinary). Not only but is a half-elf. If you've read enough fiction about elves you'd know that they're told to be more educated than humans; prouder of themselves by nature... She's serene, composed etc... She's pure-hearted, which is even shown by her apperance... White. Color of purity and peace. "To deny it because she died in an alternate timeline is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard." Then you're pretty dumb. Because I'm sure that I've said more than that. But you didn't wanna see, huh? Why's it? Beyond your comprehension? I should think not... She dying means she's losing. Someone perfect doesn't loses like this. If that definition of Mary Sue is correct, she doesn't fits. Again, her background justifies how 'perfect' you see her as. Oh she's a strong magician, too. Because elves. How unrealistic was it for her to hold Elsa back? It wasn't. Reason was already given. She even had help from the spirit. She's not saving anyone. "I don't care if they're servants, that was their character until now." Don't care what? It answers why they behave PROFESSIONALLY. "By your logic, it's impossible for anyone to ever act out of character." What? That's not my 'logic'. They had no reason to start befriending Subaru. Why'd they do that? And much of what they shown might not even be their character, but their personality... ("If personality is your mind, character is your soul. Source: http://theydiffer.com/difference-between-personality-and-character/") They might actually be affable, joyful etc... But don't find themselves allowed to show it to others. Because? Again, their job. They're no ordinary maids. They're serving important people. Thus they keep neutral behavior near residents. (Still, they've taken liberties of making fun of Subaru, if you remember...) They're not cold. Just not particularly motivated. It was also told that they had an unfortunate, painful past... This would darken one's personality. |
May 17, 2016 7:14 PM
#765
This is seriously grating on my nerves now. It's dragging so much and Subaru's reaction is just... uuurgh.. dude's getting more & more annoying each episode. I'm cutting half my score for this anime -___- yeah, it's that bad. What a waste of potential. |
May 17, 2016 8:50 PM
#766
Very deep! Not gonna lie, quite a few feels seeing Ram like that! |
May 17, 2016 9:07 PM
#767
Guys, I think Subaru's left hand is cursed. Remember where the dog bit him? Now, in the latest ep, who was holding his left hand when Subaru is having a nightmare? Rem is the one who hold that hand I want some answers damn it! When's the next episode?! ARRGHHH! I'm going loco waiting for it!!!! |
May 17, 2016 9:07 PM
#768
Jagd84 said: smoct_ai said: There is one obvious problem with your reasoning. It could be that he had already died in his sleep before Rem entered his room to kill him - pretty much possible - . I have already thought that yes possibility, but that would be pointless wouldn't change the fact she didn't kill him. But my points are based on what has been depicted in story and not just conjecture. Then you may answer : But in the second loop, Rem attacked him while he was still alive, suffering severe pain from the curse. If this is your reply, I'd say your reply depends on one unreasonable assumption, that is, every single event occurred in the second loop perfectly matches with those of the first loop, including the exact timing of the events. Expect this isn't a assumption, it's exactly what happened in the 2nd loop. Anything beyond that is speculation. And remind what I wrote in EDIT: It is strongly implied in the novel that Rem smelled it even in the first loop. Also implied and outright stated she don't anything in the first loop in both the novel and anime. If she did the author would have directed that out. Only thing we know in the first loop is she noticed something was odd about him which might mean that she caught smell a bit of the scent by that speculation. Nothing known beyond that other the fact Subaru was done in by the curse. So you admit the possibility that rem hated him and went out to go to him and kill him in his sleep, but only found him to have already been dead. If you admit the possibility, you can not deduce that Rem failed to smell it and did not hate him in the 1st loop from the fact that Subaru was kiiled by the curse. In other words, your reasoning that Subaru not being killed by Rem proves Rem not hating him in the 1st loop, this reasoning is plainly wrong. |
May 17, 2016 9:24 PM
#769
smoct_ai said: So you admit the possibility that rem hated him and went out to go to him and kill him in his sleep, but only found him to have already been dead. If you admit the possibility, you can not deduce that Rem failed to smell it and did not hate him in the 1st loop from the fact that Subaru was kiiled by the curse. In other words, your reasoning that Subaru not being killed by Rem proves Rem not hating him in the 1st loop, this reasoning is plainly wrong. Not sure what you're trying get at her. All your listing that are on same lines of speculation how Emilia could have killed Subaru back in loot house over the misunderstanding of insignia theft had Elsa not shown up. Point is there not enough information and chances are too low given factors that lead to his death in other loops are either minor or ambiguous. The fact is that curse what killed him directly just as did Rem. Anything is coming out from your ass. |
May 17, 2016 9:49 PM
#771
Koyomo said: How is Emilia a Mary Sue? At this point dude just seems to be trolling. Honestly, if Emilia was a Mary Sue, she wouldn't have been losing in her fight against Elsa. Dude doesn't seem to remember that it was Reinhardt that saved their arses at the last minute. If there's any Mary Sue in this show, it's Reinhardt that's closest to the definition, according to what I've heard from WN readers. |
May 17, 2016 10:15 PM
#772
Like the re: zero forums on mal are a couple of people actually talking about the current episode and the rest are spoilers or shitposters. This along with Boku hero 7 and koutestu no kanebari episode 4 are some of the most impressive episodes of anime I've seen in a long time. I don't think subaru is a retard but he really should have asked beatrice more about the jealous witch. |
Q: The world won't change, you must change yourself in this world. Now, how will you change yourself? A: Become the god of the new world. |
May 18, 2016 1:56 AM
#773
Pretty good episode I must say, looking forward that it clarify things up. |
May 18, 2016 3:21 AM
#774
Valaskjalf said: Someone needs to make a "Allahu Akbar" or "This is sparta" clips with that scene where he jumps of a cliff lol. Is this close enough? This was fun to make. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5OgKRe_It0 --- About the episode, it really made me glad to see most of the scenes were kept intact from the source material. The feelings I had were felt yet again. Fantastic adaptation so far! |
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May 18, 2016 4:20 AM
#775
Jagd84 said: smoct_ai said: So you admit the possibility that rem hated him and went out to go to him and kill him in his sleep, but only found him to have already been dead. If you admit the possibility, you can not deduce that Rem failed to smell it and did not hate him in the 1st loop from the fact that Subaru was kiiled by the curse. In other words, your reasoning that Subaru not being killed by Rem proves Rem not hating him in the 1st loop, this reasoning is plainly wrong. Not sure what you're trying get at her. All your listing that are on same lines of speculation how Emilia could have killed Subaru back in loot house over the misunderstanding of insignia theft had Elsa not shown up. Point is there not enough information and chances are too low given factors that lead to his death in other loops are either minor or ambiguous. The fact is that curse what killed him directly just as did Rem. Anything is coming out from your ass. not enough info? It's equivalent you agree you don't know for sure if she smelled it and hated him in the 1st loop or not. But given that Subaru has the smell more or less, it's a detault assumption that she smelled it even in the 1st loop. yes, it's a speculation but way more probable than your lame deduction - I know for sure she didnt hate him because he was killed by the curse! - EDIT: remind you. Though you wrote it's outright stated that rem did not do anything in the 1st loop in the novel , it's wrong again. Seriouly, are you really a source reader ( not manga but the japanese novel)? |
smoct_aiMay 18, 2016 4:41 AM
May 18, 2016 4:29 AM
#776
Sometimes791 said: xEzioAuditore said: crx07 said: xEzioAuditore said: Haha! But I don't think the great majo will run out of her mana. She's very powerful that she is able to decide to invest her powers to a potential mana waster.PS: The Majo:"Stop the fuck you're doing Sobaru ! I'm running out of Mana because of revivng you over again and again" I liked the " A potential mana waster" lol But I'm still wondering who's the curse caster. The only one I suspect now is Roswaal. He killed him the first time. The 2nd was the Blue-Hair. The third also was her. The 4th Roswaal ordered her to kill him the forth night but she couldn't so he punished her (We all knows maids like punishement) But my hypothesis still illogic. And the motive for the curse? In case of Rem it wouldn't make sense. Make use of the three mystery questions: Whodunit, howdunit, whydunit. This is why I said my hypothesis was illogic. Anyway, Sobaru could call Reinhard the next time he'll awake & the job is done :D |
May 18, 2016 5:16 AM
#777
Waxon said: No, sorry that person didn't say a word in what arc that may take place. So this picture was true after all? This show always surpass my expectations ! |
May 18, 2016 5:39 AM
#778
Yes this is official light novel art and it's from the third arc. We will see that scene including the character :) This only gives a really really small taste but things get disturbing on a really crazy scale. |
May 18, 2016 5:51 AM
#779
Fappa said: Yes this is official light novel art and it's from the third arc. We will see that scene including the character :) This only gives a really really small taste but things get disturbing on a really crazy scale. That's good. I love seeing characters going through crazy and disturbing events. *sadism strikes again* |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
May 18, 2016 6:49 AM
#780
Probably best episode this far. Soundtrack is the best part, looks like white fox start taking this series seriously. Story improved far from before, yet still confusing. But i like that. It made more mystery than before. The main character certainly as dumb as always. But at least he reduce the cringe. Then he came back annoying when he decided to suicide from the cliff! Looks like he can only be either annoying or scared. Well, the soundtrack itself deserve 10/10 from me. Only would like to see a more clever character from this series. |
May 18, 2016 6:58 AM
#781
some fail from this episode -rem fall only by a little push at the first one mnute -subaru ran from the exploding room is too easy -stupid how he try to touch rem soon as he enter the room -the end dialogue was too long and cringe -the jump at the end is lol. So he flying? I know its not important, yet it still disturb me that white fox is too lazy to made a more realistic scene there. |
May 18, 2016 7:18 AM
#782
May 18, 2016 10:18 AM
#783
wetkancut said: some fail from this episode -rem fall only by a little push at the first one mnute -subaru ran from the exploding room is too easy -stupid how he try to touch rem soon as he enter the room -the end dialogue was too long and cringe -the jump at the end is lol. So he flying? I know its not important, yet it still disturb me that white fox is too lazy to made a more realistic scene there. 1)She's small and weighs less than Subaru. 2)Roswaal was busy dealing with Beatrice, which was in the way of Ram. 3)He has affections for Rem. He wants to get close to her to get a better, last look at. 4)Your opinion. 5)No. It was impressive in ways. 6)Just another (inferior) opinion. (Check the poll.) |
May 18, 2016 10:19 AM
#784
iRels said: SuperKirei said: iRels said: SuperKirei said: Emilia is the biggest Mary Sue in anime. She just has to be flawless and get along perfectly with everyone - even when the rest of the house is turning on each other. Subaru is still an annoying Okabe ripoff, and those maids do a complete character 180 They never had any emotions. Now they're screaming lunatics and trying to kill people because "they might know something" *Narrows eyes* "A Mary Sue for female characters, and Gary Stu, Marty Stu or Larry Stu for male characters, is an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character, a young or low-rank person who saves the day through unrealistic abilities. Often this character is recognized as an author insert or wish-fulfillment." She's simply pure-hearted. Perfect? She's a well-taught noble. You're doing this just for the sake of doing, right? Emilia isn't 'low-rank', nor is she saving anyone through 'unrealistic' abilities. She died in one loop, and almost died in another. What 'wish' would that be fulfilling? I don't even... Subaru isn't Okabe. Okabe doesn't practices exercises and plays games, does he? He's a mad scientist. He's also delusional. Subaru was never. The maids have emotions, but were taught not to show it. Why would they? They're SERVANTS. They're not supposed to disturb the residents. They're not supposed to start pointless conversations and laugh. It's Subaru that is. Why do people start conversations with other people? Because they want to get something out of it - they want to be SERVED. Those maids were well-taught, it's this simple. Even so, with Subaru's insistence, they started interacting with him more than they normally would... Anyway. You must not have seen many anime if that's your understanding of how Emilia isn't Mary Sue. What anime do you watch? Bleach? She is a Mary Sue. To deny it because she died in an alternate timeline is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. I don't care if they're servants, that was their character until now. By your logic, it's impossible for anyone to ever act out of character. Emilia isn't perfect. She's lacking in many areas. (You're making me repeat... Sigh.) ALL that she is, is JUSTIFIABLE. She's a rich noble (was taught well, meaning not ordinary). Not only but is a half-elf. If you've read enough fiction about elves you'd know that they're told to be more educated than humans; prouder of themselves by nature... She's serene, composed etc... She's pure-hearted, which is even shown by her apperance... White. Color of purity and peace. "To deny it because she died in an alternate timeline is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard." Then you're pretty dumb. Because I'm sure that I've said more than that. But you didn't wanna see, huh? Why's it? Beyond your comprehension? I should think not... She dying means she's losing. Someone perfect doesn't loses like this. If that definition of Mary Sue is correct, she doesn't fits. Again, her background justifies how 'perfect' you see her as. Oh she's a strong magician, too. Because elves. How unrealistic was it for her to hold Elsa back? It wasn't. Reason was already given. She even had help from the spirit. She's not saving anyone. "I don't care if they're servants, that was their character until now." Don't care what? It answers why they behave PROFESSIONALLY. "By your logic, it's impossible for anyone to ever act out of character." What? That's not my 'logic'. They had no reason to start befriending Subaru. Why'd they do that? And much of what they shown might not even be their character, but their personality... ("If personality is your mind, character is your soul. Source: http://theydiffer.com/difference-between-personality-and-character/") They might actually be affable, joyful etc... But don't find themselves allowed to show it to others. Because? Again, their job. They're no ordinary maids. They're serving important people. Thus they keep neutral behavior near residents. (Still, they've taken liberties of making fun of Subaru, if you remember...) They're not cold. Just not particularly motivated. It was also told that they had an unfortunate, painful past... This would darken one's personality. you know, you'er some kind of an idiot. |
TrueKireiPriestMay 18, 2016 10:29 AM
I am the Priest of my church Yuetsu is my body, and wine is my blood I have trolled over a thousand users Unknown to sympathy, nor known to apathy Withstood Shirou to eat Mapo Tofu Yet, my question will never be answered So as I rejoice, Unlimited Kirei Works! |
May 18, 2016 10:51 AM
#785
Okay now is time to make a new theory. First loop : Both Rem and Subaru die from mana drain. Second loop : Rem dies from mana drain, Ram noticed that and automatically attacked Subaru when she saw him outside of his room. Third loop : Subaru gets out from the mansion and gets more suspicious, this is why Rem killed him. Rem dying from mana drain afterwards, however, remains unknown. Fourth loop : Subaru didn't do something he did the first two loops which is why he didn't die from mana drain. However, Rem repeated the same error. |
May 18, 2016 10:55 AM
#786
15 edgy ppl on this poll lmfao. Well this isnt new. On topic: Im guessing this witch has something to do with all this time loop. Maybe its saving him and its the one that brought him into this world to fix or do something. Hopefully we can get past this arc, while enjoyable i do enjoy progression. |
May 18, 2016 11:00 AM
#787
EtoileSosso said: Okay now is time to make a new theory. First loop : Both Rem and Subaru die from mana drain. Second loop : Rem dies from mana drain, Ram noticed that and automatically attacked Subaru when she saw him outside of his room. Third loop : Subaru gets out from the mansion and gets more suspicious, this is why Rem killed him. Rem dying from mana drain afterwards, however, remains unknown. Fourth loop : Subaru didn't do something he did the first two loops which is why he didn't die from mana drain. However, Rem repeated the same error. Sorry to say but your theory could not be more wrong. Curse and mana drain are entirely different things. Mana drain is what Beatrice used at Subaru, curse is the doing of a witch/shaman that is supposed to be in the village where Subaru gets bitten by the dog. And that dog bite is the cause of Subaru getting cursed and thus the reason why he died in first loop. 2nd loop again he got cursed he would have died anyway but instead he got killed and the reason I don't know why. Edit: But yeah mana drain can kill people if too much is drained. Mod Edit: Added spoiler tags; please hide plot details. |
ShockedMay 18, 2016 12:24 PM
May 18, 2016 11:09 AM
#788
Subaru's character is getting less bearable with each episode (I'd much rather him act like he did for most of this episode rather than his usual attitude, it got old really fast... ), but other than that this continues to be pretty good. |
May 18, 2016 11:09 AM
#789
SPOILER FOR FUCK SAKE Vokoca said: Subaru's character is getting less bearable with each episode (I'd much rather him act like he did for most of this episode rather than his usual attitude, it got old really fast... ), but other than that this continues to be pretty good. If he didn't you still would have people complaining that he is too perfect and that it doesn't make sense anyway. |
May 18, 2016 11:17 AM
#790
SuperKirei said: iRels said: SuperKirei said: iRels said: SuperKirei said: Emilia is the biggest Mary Sue in anime. She just has to be flawless and get along perfectly with everyone - even when the rest of the house is turning on each other. Subaru is still an annoying Okabe ripoff, and those maids do a complete character 180 They never had any emotions. Now they're screaming lunatics and trying to kill people because "they might know something" *Narrows eyes* "A Mary Sue for female characters, and Gary Stu, Marty Stu or Larry Stu for male characters, is an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character, a young or low-rank person who saves the day through unrealistic abilities. Often this character is recognized as an author insert or wish-fulfillment." She's simply pure-hearted. Perfect? She's a well-taught noble. You're doing this just for the sake of doing, right? Emilia isn't 'low-rank', nor is she saving anyone through 'unrealistic' abilities. She died in one loop, and almost died in another. What 'wish' would that be fulfilling? I don't even... Subaru isn't Okabe. Okabe doesn't practices exercises and plays games, does he? He's a mad scientist. He's also delusional. Subaru was never. The maids have emotions, but were taught not to show it. Why would they? They're SERVANTS. They're not supposed to disturb the residents. They're not supposed to start pointless conversations and laugh. It's Subaru that is. Why do people start conversations with other people? Because they want to get something out of it - they want to be SERVED. Those maids were well-taught, it's this simple. Even so, with Subaru's insistence, they started interacting with him more than they normally would... Anyway. You must not have seen many anime if that's your understanding of how Emilia isn't Mary Sue. What anime do you watch? Bleach? She is a Mary Sue. To deny it because she died in an alternate timeline is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. I don't care if they're servants, that was their character until now. By your logic, it's impossible for anyone to ever act out of character. Emilia isn't perfect. She's lacking in many areas. (You're making me repeat... Sigh.) ALL that she is, is JUSTIFIABLE. She's a rich noble (was taught well, meaning not ordinary). Not only but is a half-elf. If you've read enough fiction about elves you'd know that they're told to be more educated than humans; prouder of themselves by nature... She's serene, composed etc... She's pure-hearted, which is even shown by her apperance... White. Color of purity and peace. "To deny it because she died in an alternate timeline is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard." Then you're pretty dumb. Because I'm sure that I've said more than that. But you didn't wanna see, huh? Why's it? Beyond your comprehension? I should think not... She dying means she's losing. Someone perfect doesn't loses like this. If that definition of Mary Sue is correct, she doesn't fits. Again, her background justifies how 'perfect' you see her as. Oh she's a strong magician, too. Because elves. How unrealistic was it for her to hold Elsa back? It wasn't. Reason was already given. She even had help from the spirit. She's not saving anyone. "I don't care if they're servants, that was their character until now." Don't care what? It answers why they behave PROFESSIONALLY. "By your logic, it's impossible for anyone to ever act out of character." What? That's not my 'logic'. They had no reason to start befriending Subaru. Why'd they do that? And much of what they shown might not even be their character, but their personality... ("If personality is your mind, character is your soul. Source: http://theydiffer.com/difference-between-personality-and-character/") They might actually be affable, joyful etc... But don't find themselves allowed to show it to others. Because? Again, their job. They're no ordinary maids. They're serving important people. Thus they keep neutral behavior near residents. (Still, they've taken liberties of making fun of Subaru, if you remember...) They're not cold. Just not particularly motivated. It was also told that they had an unfortunate, painful past... This would darken one's personality. You know your pointless text walls are sickening. You find some mediocre (at best) show and defend that “IT’S PERFECT” to the very end. Are you honestly like this for every anime you see? “if it’s shit or good, no matter; because I’ll think it’s the best show evarr”. You’re some kind of anime whore that jumps from anime to anime riding the bandwagon. But hey, that might be a good thing. If shit tasted good we would’ve solved world hunger! Nah, it's simply within my preference more than too many others. Dude, did you even read the source (I didn't)? You calling this mediocre based on what? Its start? Are you dense? Can't you see what's happening? How much have you realized about the plot? I don't think enough. You're funny... But no, it shouldn't be excusable that you gave no facts about the character you were trying to criticize. You haven't understood them enough, yet still tried to diminish them. So you didn't accept Emilia and Beatrice, etc...? Based off clichés? Don't you see... that in this fantasy world, those clichés don't apply to them the way you'd want them to? You call Beatrice a 'loli', right? I did the same, but my reason was that I had forgotten her name once... She's a magical being. Meaning she could be a hundred years old. Meaning again, that you made a bad judgement. Emilia's too perfect? She's elven. Elves are said to be more intelligent than humans, and more dignified... Their race is respectable... (Even if envied by the humans.) Her lineage is noble. She's being educated to be fit to assume the position of Queen. The maids? Their position in the hierarchy...of their environment. Hahahah... What you said... Oh maybe I should update my list of watched anime and give them scores and such... Maybe it's being unfair of me to not show more of my preferences... Ah, I don't want to think so... I loved Hunter x Hunter (2011). It opened my mind in many areas... Something I hadn't even found necessary myself for the shows I was watching... But if you insist in knowing more (ugh), I don't really read mangas, light novels and such. I'm not too interested in realistic stuff. Just now when I was replying to this user named 'wetkancut', trying to find his age... (Because his post was just...) I then took a look at one of his mangas. He had given it a 10. It made me curious then. I went to find a little more about it... (More than what the description had given me... From it, seemed like the protagonist was...abused of? In a sexual way? Eh. Sh*t.) So I took a look at some panels of the manga, online. And... 'Well, sure. Realistic. Is this what people are after? This certainly doesn't appear in anime (as much as maybe I'd want it to)." "Too dark? Possibly... Even there, symbolism seemed to be used in censoring..." STILL. It...didn't impress me enough. I mean, lemme put it like this: I know what's possible in reality... and to me, it appears too ordinary. (More in depth, the patterns to people's motivations makes it easily possible for me to predict outcomes. I then end up understanding 'it all' too easily... How would someone else view this as? Not too sure... But the problem is that I don't enjoy many of the outcomes. In this mordern age (how do I sound? too cocky?) where mystery is scarce, and people's behaviors are so easily understood... I find more enjoyment...in political stuff. More complex, I guess... While in fantasy, I find more interest in something more...spiritual... Because there, the supernatural actually has an effect. It creates more possibilities and outcomes... Understand what I mean? Hope so.) ... I'm more interested in something that goes beyond... which is why, fantasy. So, what else to say? ... I wish I haven't had to even... *Laughs* Feel free to correct me. I welcome it... |
May 18, 2016 11:26 AM
#791
May 18, 2016 11:31 AM
#792
Tony_SansNom said: Vokoca said: Subaru's character is getting less bearable with each episode (I'd much rather him act like he did for most of this episode rather than his usual attitude, it got old really fast... ), but other than that this continues to be pretty good. If he didn't you still would have people complaining that he is too perfect and that it doesn't make sense anyway. Lol, exactly. Some people just can't be happy with something against their view. And yet keep watching and complaining and hating. |
May 18, 2016 11:37 AM
#793
May 18, 2016 11:39 AM
#794
bittersweetlove said: Why Subaru smells like the witch everyone talks about? I guess there's a lot more to come, but I am afraid 12 episodes won't be enough... It's a 25 episode season. |
May 18, 2016 11:58 AM
#795
_Yato_God said: Curse and mana drain are entirely different things. Mana drain is what Beatrice used at Subaru, curse is the doing of a witch/shaman that is supposed to be in the village where Subaru gets bitten by the dog. And that dog bite is the cause of Subaru getting cursed and thus the reason why he died in first loop. Yeah I just mistaken both. xD |
May 18, 2016 12:53 PM
#796
May 18, 2016 1:26 PM
#797
ibraheem234 said: Seriously!!!! How does a bite activates a curse.... I know.. I know I shouldn't be surprised but I am I think you're referring to future events. Probably next episode more will be explained about the nature of the curse which should make this question of you clear. Besides we're in a fictional world where illogical and unrealistic things like magic exists, why are you even surprised? :D |
FappaMay 18, 2016 2:31 PM
May 18, 2016 1:32 PM
#798
Fappa said: ibraheem234 said: Seriously!!!! How does a bite activates a curse.... I know.. I know I shouldn't be surprised but I am I think you're referring to future events. Probably next episode it will be explained that for a curse to be cast on someone it requires physical contact. Besides we're in a fictional world where illogical and unrealistic things like magic exists, why are you even surprised? :D Probably YatoGod's fault. He didn't put the spoiler tags for future events. That's why he knew it. Luckily, it's heavily implied that this is the reason why he's cursed and that the author didn't just throw in a convinent excuse or explanation. And seriously, stop bringing up the source material (@ all) to explain or excuse the logic and events of this series. We have enough viewers, that are able to logically explain them with that, what we've seen so far. If they just want to rant on the series without bringing up any arguments or very flawed ones, just ignore them. Else we could up with a disastrous spoiler. And if it's shown later on, just ignore them as well. The series isn't even half way through. |
Bernkishi07May 18, 2016 1:46 PM
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
May 18, 2016 2:08 PM
#799
Sometimes791 said: Probably YatoGod's fault. He didn't put the spoiler tags for future events. That's why he knew it. Luckily, it's heavily implied that this is the reason why he's cursed and that the author didn't just throw in a convinent excuse or explanation. And seriously, stop bringing up the source material (@ all) to explain or excuse the logic and events of this series. We have enough viewers, that are able to logically explain them with that, what we've seen so far. If they just want to rant on the series without bringing up any arguments or very flawed ones, just ignore them. Else we could up with a disastrous spoiler. And if it's shown later on, just ignore them as well. The series isn't even half way through. Agreed. Of what I've been posting around the net, I've been trying to clear up misconceptions people have had with stuff we've seen so fr, but some people are just being too bullheaded to actually listen and continue to go around stirring up crap with their logic simply because they get off to people trying to correct them only to become butthurt later on down the chain. And I've read the translated manga so far as well as the summaries of the arcs all the way up to arc 6. This is really only just the beginning and people are already trying their damnedest to kill this show just because it rubs them the wrong way. |
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