| I mean, I was watching Musaigen no Phantom World and after finishing I was thinking about the genre of the anime. I was totally convinced that it is a sci-fi because of the ill of the phantoms in the brain and the story is a nearly future (in the anime), but in MAL the genre is fantasie. Can someone explain me? What do you think? |
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| Sci-fi is mostly futuristic/space related, so aliens, space travel, futureristic cities and all. Fantasy has a lot to do with things that wouldn't be able to be real, so magic, dragons etc. |
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| Examples: Sci-fi: aliens and futuristic stuff Fantasy: elves and dragons |
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| Fantasy is basically make-believe where what wouldn't be real would be. Sci-Fi is Fantasy made real.....WITH SCIENCE! |
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Milk_is_Special said: Sci-fi is mostly futuristic/space related, so aliens, space travel, futureristic cities and all. Fantasy has a lot to do with things that wouldn't be able to be real, so magic, dragons etc. Talking about the example, I am not totally convinced that Musaigen no Phantom World is about fantasie |
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| Sci-fi is science related genre that happen in fantasy setting. Fantasy is a full fantasy setting without any scientific explanation whatsoever. |
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Atlas77 said: But Phantom World has phantoms, ghosts, and some sort of magic, which means fantasy.Milk_is_Special said: Sci-fi is mostly futuristic/space related, so aliens, space travel, futureristic cities and all. Fantasy has a lot to do with things that wouldn't be able to be real, so magic, dragons etc. Talking about the example, I am not totally convinced that Musaigen no Phantom World is about fantasie |
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| there is also a Fantasy/Sci-Fi mix genre f.e Star Wars.. Has a lot of both. |
| If it is explained with science -> sci-fi If it's just magic -> fantasy The two are quite close and sometimes not easy to differentiate. There's this one show, which looks like fantasy for almost all the episodes, until it's revealed to actually be sci-fi. |
Milk_is_Special said: Atlas77 said: But Phantom World has phantoms, ghosts, and some sort of magic, which means fantasy.Talking about the example, I am not totally convinced that Musaigen no Phantom World is about fantasie But it have a cientific sustentation, doesn´t it count? |
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| Sci-fi is the improbable made possible, fantasy is the impossible made possible. |
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Atlas77 said: Can someone explain me? 1) First of all, sci-fi and fantasy are similar. With some technobabble, you can turn fantasy into sci-fi. Make your sci-fi unscientific enough, and it will be fantasy (like Star Wars or Warhammer 40k). Remember: sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from technology. Thus, the border can be pretty vague. And there is no reason why you can't have both, like in To Aru Majutsu no Index. 2) Musaigen is a classic "urban fantasy" setting, with some technobabble added to give the presence of monsters some plausibility. It never raises to the level of full-on sci-fi. If somebody in the setting used technological means of interacting with phanoms, it might have earned itself the title of sci-fi. 3) Like some people have said, sci-fi is about scientific facts, unusual inventions, future or futuristic societies. Fantasy is about the past, mythological creatures and magic. Urban fantasy is about the near-present, but with mythological creatures and magic. Preferably with some magical battles for good measure. In most cases, it's easy to tell which it is. But for shows like Nanoha (where a civilization uses magic instead of technology) the classification breaks down. |
phreeak said: there is also a Fantasy/Sci-Fi mix genre f.e Star Wars.. Has a lot of both. May be you are right, but star wars is like 80% sci-fi and 20% fantasie? And for the fantasie do you mean the force? |
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| Like its name suggests, science fiction refers to speculative stories that features futuristic technology or scientific concepts. Normally, these are works that maintain a sort of logical consistency within the realms of science, but the genre can be very expansive, going from incredibly pulp soft science fiction that does not really maintain a rigorous faithfulness to science itself to very hard science fiction that tries to be purely scientific in every single manner. Tropes you will often see in science fiction include extraterrestrial life, time travel, multiple dimensions/universes, futuristic weapons technology, etc. On the other hand, fantasy is a purely imaginative speculative fiction that relies almost exclusively on magic, myth, and legends. Events in a fantastical world are left unexplained scientifically in favor of more fantastical, magical, or surrealistic explanations. Once again, fantasy branches off in multiple areas from urban to epic fantasy, but this is something that is relatively consistent across the board. I would say Musaigen no Phantom World rests comfortably as fantasy, because while it is certainly set in the present and the plot is sort of underscored by some scientific disaster, it never has any real science outside of the introduction to really justify it being a science fiction work. In addition, the powers that are introduced in the story have no scientific basis and thus it is probably best to identify it as fantasy. |
Atlas77 said: Milk_is_Special said: But Phantom World has phantoms, ghosts, and some sort of magic, which means fantasy. But it have a cientific sustentation, doesn´t it count? depends on what you see as 'scientific'. I'm not watching Musaigen but many anime have magical systems that are explained in quasi-scientific ways within their universe but that doesn't make FMA or whatever sci-fi. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| Fantasy series tend to take place in alternate worlds, Sci-Fi series tend to take place in a modern/futuristic world. Milk_is_Special said: Magic isn't only part of the fantasy genre. If the setting is modern or futuristic, it'll be considered supernatural.Sci-fi is mostly futuristic/space related, so aliens, space travel, futureristic cities and all. Fantasy has a lot to do with things that wouldn't be able to be real, so magic, dragons etc. Examples: Kara no Kyoukai, Mahouka, Index, Fate, Monogatari, and Shinsekai Yori. |
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| The very definition that deviates between Sci fi and Fantasy is that Science fiction is based on monumental principals involving fictitious technology and scientific development but have enough a clear understand that the principal foundation of all that technology at the very least has a basis on real scientific basis. Where as fantasy would usually incorporate elements that defy the natural order even by scientific standards and have no real basis from any existing information or actual exisiting foundation and in so it is there simply cause it is there hence why magic is usually associated with fantasy. this is how i distinguish between the two at least. |
masterofgo said: Like its name suggests, science fiction refers to speculative stories that features futuristic technology or scientific concepts. Normally, these are works that maintain a sort of logical consistency within the realms of science, but the genre can be very expansive, going from incredibly pulp soft science fiction that does not really maintain a rigorous faithfulness to science itself to very hard science fiction that tries to be purely scientific in every single manner. Tropes you will often see in science fiction include extraterrestrial life, time travel, multiple dimensions/universes, futuristic weapons technology, etc. On the other hand, fantasy is a purely imaginative speculative fiction that relies almost exclusively on magic, myth, and legends. Events in a fantastical world are left unexplained scientifically in favor of more fantastical, magical, or surrealistic explanations. Once again, fantasy branches off in multiple areas from urban to epic fantasy, but this is something that is relatively consistent across the board. I would say Musaigen no Phantom World rests comfortably as fantasy, because while it is certainly set in the present and the plot is sort of underscored by some scientific disaster, it never has any real science outside of the introduction to really justify it being a science fiction work. In addition, the powers that are introduced in the story have no scientific basis and thus it is probably best to identify it as fantasy. I think you convinced me, thank you very much |
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Atlas77 said: phreeak said: there is also a Fantasy/Sci-Fi mix genre f.e Star Wars.. Has a lot of both. May be you are right, but star wars is like 80% sci-fi and 20% fantasie? And for the fantasie do you mean the force? No, all the science in Star Wars is quite bogus. Force fields, lightsabers, guns shooting colored lines, spaceships whooshing past, FTL travel... Some of these things can be talked away, but the authors clearly never thought about scientific plausibility too much. Atlas77 said: Milk_is_Special said: But Phantom World has phantoms, ghosts, and some sort of magic, which means fantasy. But it have a cientific sustentation, doesn´t it count? That was 50% technobabble, 50% philosophy of perception. |
| Anime sci-fi is often pretty indistinguishable from fantasy. Take Noein, for example, which embeds its story about "parallel universes" in the "many-worlds" interpretation of quantum theory. Regardless of the pseudo-scientific background to the story, many of the events depicted are more fantastical than scientific. Shinsekai yori also inhabits this border land. Humans have developed telekinetic powers, but there's a large dose of fantasy in the story as well. |
| uh.... fantasy is obviously anything not real but i guess in the MAL definition and general definition, it would be a non realistic world sci-fi is technically fantasy.... lol |
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| So much repetition.......................... |
| This is not a distinction that can easily be made. Generally, however, science fiction deals with concepts that are physically possible, while fantasy says "Laws of Physics? What are those?". |
| Anyone who doesn't hate anime hasn't watched enough anime. - Anonymous |
| Phantom World constantly breaks the laws of physics without even attempting to within a scientific framework, neither does it portray the effects of technological advancement in society; so it's clearly fantasy. |
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