| I simply don't get it. Aren't women suppose to take the man's last name? You're suppose to become one and you have different last names? Why doesn't she just keep her last name if she loves it so much? My dad and every man in our family would disown me if I allowed some shyt like that and the worst of it is that your kids will have a different last name then you. I knew a chick who had a last name of Jackson-Jackson ffs. So to all the MAL members who want to get married, explain your stance on this. |
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| Well for one I'd only get married if I literally lost my mind and I certainly wouldn't marry someone ashamed to take my last name. She gets half of my money, car, house, kids ffs if she's not willing to take half my name she can find some other hyper progressive cuck whole acknowledged her wonderful independence when she also divorces him and suddenly has no issue taking half his shit then. |
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| If you like your last name just keep it. Honestly, I'd want my kids to take my last name. |
| I think you are weak for thinking it is weak. Are you really that threatened feeling by someone wanting to keep their family heritage in name? |
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| I don't see it as a sign of weakness tbh. My last name is pretty average so if I have the chance to change it I'll probably do it. |
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| As expected. Watch how many weak, shiftless, hand licking, cowardly manginas come in and say " I could care less if my wife take my last name or not "  |
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| I would only care if my kids took my last name tbh |
| I don't care if my wife prefers her last name and uses it in general social interactions. But bitch once it comes to legal documents and shit you better use my damn last name. I ain't dealing with 2 last names when it comes to shit like that. |
| Did you forget to take your medicine today, OP? |
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traed said: Are you really that threatened feeling by someone wanting to keep their family heritage in name? Yeah op shouldn't feel "threatened" she just wants to pretend to not have his last name and hey who cares if she chooses to not wear her wedding ring at social events shes a strong independent woman OP should have to respect her 100% but she doesn't need to change or anything for him. Sure marriage is more than name, its legally binding assets and making sure the man has to pay his wife half of everything, give up his kids and maybe house if they divorce not like the man, showing his love for her by agreeing to something far huger and worse than taking someones last name. I mean the guys a total asshole if he just expects her to take his last name only its such a huge commitment to make to someone, not like that whole male side of the legal stuff that shits easy. |
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| My last name is so quintessentially English just hearing it will make you want to drink tea and shag the Queen. I don't blame her if she doesn't want my last name. |
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| @Spooks So you think people should not be allowed to decide their own name just because of tradition even when their spouse doesn't care or prefers it and even though it is a tradition in some families and cultures to hyphenate names? |
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| i'd even take a woman's last name, idgaf |
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traed said: @Spooks So you think people should not be allowed to decide their own name just because of tradition even when their spouse doesn't care or prefers it and even though it is a tradition in some families and cultures to hyphenate names? When did I say tradition? marriage is outdated and stupid from the get go. I'm saying its about levels of respect give and take rather than just take. If people have to do the marriage thing then why is it so sad or lame or "threatened" to expect the wife to take the last name considering the male is expected to give a whole lot more for the marriage not even just based in tradition but law. If she's not even willing to change names for a guy who is willing to agree, legally to give her half of everything he owns and only asks she takes his name, what does that say about the willingness to sacrifice or respect each other. That ones sides is giving farrrr too much. Shit like that is why marriage is decreasing every year and a good thing too. Hopefully one day the idea of marriage will be gone for good so this isn't even an issue anymore. People can keep their names, keep their property and just live together without the chains of marriage to hold them together. Until then we want to talk respect and progress she doesn't want to take his name why not sign a prenup so she agrees she keeps her own shit and he keeps what he earns if they split. A women unwilling to take his name but willing to take half of everything if they split isn't worth marrying. |
SpooksMar 22, 2016 3:06 PM
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| This thread makes me want to slash my wrists. If you don't want to take the man's name, don't get married and stay common law. All the benefits, none of the downsides to real marriage. How does that sound? |
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Spooks said: traed said: @Spooks So you think people should not be allowed to decide their own name just because of tradition even when their spouse doesn't care or prefers it and even though it is a tradition in some families and cultures to hyphenate names? When did I say tradition? marriage is outdated and stupid from the get go. I'm saying its about levels of respect give and take rather than just take. If people have to do the marriage thing then why is it so sad or lame or "threatened" to expect the wife to take the last name considering the male is expected to give a whole lot more for the marriage not even just based in tradition but law. If she's not even willing to change names for a guy who is willing to agree, legally to give her half of everything he owns and only asks she takes his name, what does that say about the willingness to sacrifice or respect each other. That ones sides is giving farrrr too much. Shit like that is why marriage is decreasing every year and a good thing too. Hopefully one day the idea of marriage will be gone for good so this isn't even an issue anymore. People can keep their names, keep their property and just live together without the chains of marriage to hold them together. Until then we want to talk respect and progress she doesn't want to take his name why not sign a prenup so she agrees she keeps her own shit and he keeps what he earns if they split. Fuckin' ROASTED. I agree with you 100% for once and it feels nice for a change. Common law "marriage" is the way to go, all of the benefits, far fewer downsides. The only upside to legal marriage is tax reductions and returns on children/dependents which I don't think you can claim the same if you're only common law |
| Vor uns liegt MAL, in uns marschiert MAL, und hinter uns, kommt MAL! |
| I say the concept or marriage should just be symbolic, and we can remove the benefits. That money could go to something else such as a grant to repair our crumbling infastructure in the US. |
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Spooks said: When did I say tradition? marriage is outdated and stupid from the get go. I'm saying its about levels of respect give and take rather than just take. If people have to do the marriage thing then why is it so sad or lame or "threatened" to expect the wife to take the last name considering the male is expected to give a whole lot more for the marriage not even just based in tradition but law. If she's not even willing to change names for a guy who is willing to agree, legally to give her half of everything he owns and only asks she takes his name, what does that say about the willingness to sacrifice or respect each other. That ones sides is giving farrrr too much. Shit like that is why marriage is decreasing every year and a good thing too. Hopefully one day the idea of marriage will be gone for good so this isn't even an issue anymore. People can keep their names, keep their property and just live together without the chains of marriage to hold them together. Until then we want to talk respect and progress she doesn't want to take his name why not sign a prenup so she agrees she keeps her own shit and he keeps what he earns if they split. A women unwilling to take his name but willing to take half of everything if they split isn't worth marrying. @Lothloran There is no law that forces married people to share bank accounts. A shared bank account is known as marital property or joint property, while the non combined are separate property. In the event of a divorce only marital property is divided in most cases not separate property. Marital property is not the property of the person who made the money, it is the property of both people equally by legal status. The ex wife would take part of what the ex husband made because he does not have sole property of the money in a joint bank account and neither does she. If the ex wife was the person with the job it would go the same way, the husband would take half because they share the ownership of the money in a joint account. A married couple can have more than one bank account, a joint account and individual accounts. In the event of a divorce they would keep all the money in their personal account even if they had a joint account as well. |
traedMar 22, 2016 3:36 PM
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I am not sure how I feel about marriage but I would discuss options
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| Firstly most of the MAL community won't get even married. secondly If her surname is cool why nut? Don't see much importance in this. |
| I won't mind taking my husband's last name, until it's really ridiculous one, because there are names over here that really suck. In such a rare case I'll want to keep my own and I may offer him to take mine, because there are actually men who don't mind that. If he strongly insisted I have to take his last name no matter what without actually considering my opinion about it, I think I would start to question the future of our relationship. Well, I don't think I would end up in relationship with such a dominant man in the first place. I'm amazed some of you guys act like woman doesn't bring anything into marriage and she just takes half of husband's property once they divorce. It's like women don't own anything or earn money for household... What century do you live in? |
| No, it's not weak. Though I doubt I would hyphenate my name, you know, since it's hyphenated already. Would I mind if she asked me to take her name...not sure, probably. Though thinking of it our kids wouldn't have to face the hell that is job applications, city-wide tests, bank cards, dick managers that get cursed out for intentionally off-shooting my name or teachers who told me to "pick one name" just to confused with another person that has the same given name. |
QWERTYFish25Mar 22, 2016 4:13 PM
traed said: In the event of a divorce only marital property is divided in most cases not separate property. Failing to mention regardless which side produced most income into the property and its known that still the male side of the marriage puts in around 60-70% of all the income into joint owned property. Divorce also comes in as one of the leading causes of bankruptcy, make of that what you will. Also divorce courts are still extremely bias against dad is family matters. Do you know over 83% of all divorce child rulings land on the mothers side? 83% against dad now nobody can sell that in all those cases the dad was the worse parent/provider for the child. So marriage for men comes with: - Risk of financial assets of which you have paid most into been decided either given to the wife or split/sold. Doesn't matter if you say paid everything into the joint property as society tends to pressure men into been the provider she will still get half instead of taking into account the in going costs like a sane society would. - Divorce court, price of divorce itself - You're probably not winning the rights to have your kids if you're male and will have to agree to visitation times with the mother who you're divorcing because she will 83% of the time win custody of your kids. "I do" right guys. Women's responsibilities by law: - Good chance of winning custody of kids regardless of actual ability to care for them - Will receive half the jointly owned items and property regardless if you didn't even pay a penny into it "I do" right ladies Guy asks you to take his last name, no you've gone too far and asked too much! I believe in doing away with inequality and sexism in society. Its why im not a feminist and believe marriage is wrong from the ground up and should be done away with. Its bias and flawed in its own reasoning. |
SpooksMar 22, 2016 4:32 PM
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| Doesn't matter to me. My mom actually still have her last name and I don't see the problem either. It's not a tradition in Chinese culture to suddenly change your surname just because you marry. Even though I'm pretty much whitewashed, this is something I'm completely indifferent on. |
| So a woman is weak for taking the mans last name? This thread is dumb |
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| Well if both the guy and the girl want to keep their own last name, then the kid just gets the hyphenated name and the parents can then pass each of their last names on to future generations. The kid might get bullied for having a hella long name but it's worth it |
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Spooks said: traed said: In the event of a divorce only marital property is divided in most cases not separate property. Failing to mention regardless which side produced most income into the property and its known that still the male side of the marriage puts in around 60-70% of all the income into joint owned property. Divorce also comes in as one of the leading causes of bankruptcy, make of that what you will. Also divorce courts are still extremely bias against dad is family matters. Do you know over 83% of all divorce child rulings land on the mothers side? 83% against dad now nobody can sell that in all those cases the dad was the worse parent/provider for the child. No, I made it quite clear it does not make difference who made the money when it gets placed in a joint account. It works the same no matter who makes their income or if both make their income. When you make a joint account you are waving your legal sole ownership rights of the money. No one forces you to merge bank accounts. When you get married it is not an automatic process and it is not legally required. It's your own choice to do so. It only effects men more because men usually have jobs more than women do in a marriage due to tradition stuff and personal desire differences. All they have to do to avoid that is keep their accounts separate or have a prenuptial agreement. There is little reason for someone to combine bank accounts so it is not something that is a must to be done. The legal tax penalties for two income and separate bank account marriages should be removed. Not everyone who gets married has kids and not everyone with kids is married. So that point is not relevant to marriage even though it is a related topic. |
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traed said: Not everyone who gets married has kids and not everyone with kids is married. So that point is not relevant to marriage even though it is a related topic.  Only reason you're calling that massive point about marriage none relevant even though its clearly incredibly relevant to marriage is because you know as well as I that that 83% court hearing statistic would have a huge impact of choosing to marry and the outcomes on the male side of things considering divorces. Disregard quite possibly the biggest issue towards the males when it comes to divorce and marriage if you want but we both know its a major major issue. 52% of children are born during marriage and that number doesn't include people who go onto marry after having children which goes on to be 48% of people who have children before marriage go onto marry withing 5 years of having kids. So yes children is a major point when talking about marriage I laughed genuinely at your want to completely disregard it, because its clear why. |
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| People actually think this is a problem? Get over yourselves Seriously |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| I literally wouldn't care at all. It's the most superfluous aspect of marriage. |
| ^ What does "not thinking that wanting to keep your maiden name instead of switching to your husband's name is a huge deal" have to do with white knights and political correctness? You're basically doing what the SJWs are doing and using the oppressor card although it's of complete irrelevancy, except that in your case it's the "ur just an SJW" card instead of the "ur just racist/sexist" card |
Comic_SansMar 22, 2016 5:35 PM
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| People are naive and think it doesn't matter. It's designed to undermine the male headship in the family. Nowadays you got kids with hyphenated last names. That's a deal breaker. If a woman can't take my last name, she can't be with me. Plus it would tell me what type of woman she was. Don't need that feminist shit. I have a lot of family members who come from a very old school thinking. If a women refused to your last name then it is a sign of major disrespect. A lot of men would simply cancel the marriage completely because the women isn't all in. |
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People are naive and think it doesn't matter. It's designed to undermine the male headship in the family. Nowadays you got kids with hyphenated last names. Both of my parents decided to keep their own family names and as far as I am aware my father's headship hasn't been the slightest bit "undermined", and my brother and I just got our father's last name instead of a hyphenated one, so...No, I don't see what the problem is |
Comic_SansMar 22, 2016 5:57 PM
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: People are naive and think it doesn't matter. It's designed to undermine the male headship in the family. Nowadays you got kids with hyphenated last names. Both of my parents decided to keep their own family names and as far as I am aware my father's headship hasn't been the slightest bit "undermined", and my brother and I just got our father's last name instead of a hyphenated one, so...No, I don't see what the problem is That unacceptable. If I pulled something like that, I couldn't imagine the scrutiny and disgust my family members would give me. Your father doesn't think it is a big deal but to others it is major deal. I just think a woman who is committed to me and going to be wife should take the responsibility of taking my name. |
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| I can't help but smile at people seriously considering a "surname" something to make a fuss over. O'well, atleast such people can masterbate to their own surname as much as they want until a female or male figure takes pity on them for putting stock In something so inherently worthless. |
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That unacceptable. If I pulled something like that, I couldn't imagine the scrutiny and disgust my family members would give me. Your father doesn't think it is a big deal but to others it is major deal. I didn't say "it wasn't a big deal for my dad so it's not a big deal for everybody else"My point is that "not feeling the need to force your wife to take your last name because you don't think it's a huge deal" doesn't necessarily mean your "headship" will be "undermined" and that you're "weak" because of that I just think a woman who is committed to me and going to be wife should take the responsibility of taking my name. Good for you |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Eylandos said: People are naive and think it doesn't matter. It's designed to undermine the male headship in the family. Nowadays you got kids with hyphenated last names. That's a deal breaker. If a woman can't take my last name, she can't be with me. Plus it would tell me what type of woman she was. Don't need that feminist shit. I have a lot of family members who come from a very old school thinking. If a women refused to your last name then it is a sign of major disrespect. A lot of men would simply cancel the marriage completely because the women isn't all in. Disrespect? It's pretty clear that you have no respect for women, so why would you expect respect in return? |
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| Let's get this out of the way guys, we all know we're going to die alone anyways. What's the point of imagining a future where you get married? The closest thing we'll ever marry is our waifu body pillow. |
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| I'm going to look real dumb if this turns out to be a successful troll...ooh the perils of online conversation. Elegade said: Let's get this out of the way guys, we all know we're going to die alone anyways. What's the point of imagining a future where you get married? The closest thing we'll ever marry is our waifu body pillow. Man's gotta have a delusion. |
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Spooks said: Only reason you're calling that massive point about marriage none relevant even though its clearly incredibly relevant to marriage is because you know as well as I that that 83% court hearing statistic would have a huge impact of choosing to marry and the outcomes on the male side of things considering divorces. Disregard quite possibly the biggest issue towards the males when it comes to divorce and marriage if you want but we both know its a major major issue. 52% of children are born during marriage and that number doesn't include people who go onto marry after having children which goes on to be 48% of people who have children before marriage go onto marry withing 5 years of having kids. So yes children is a major point when talking about marriage I laughed genuinely at your want to completely disregard it, because its clear why. Actually it is more so because I didn't want to bother having to research and fact check with sources all sited to give a proper response for a topic I am not very passionate about. When I say that I do not mean about equality and fairness, I mean children and divorce. You gave no sources yourself which makes it so I can not point out how accurate what you say is or is not which gives little to respond to. I did not even disagree that women receive custody more often than men do so you painting a narrative out of it is pretty unfounded. Those statistics alone does not paint the full picture without more details on why they had the custody unfortunately and I would rather not just assume. More detailed stats would clear that up more. This still has nothing to do with names though. It is a choice that is between the person(s) who's name(s) is/are to be changed and between the couple themselves not anyone else. |
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Tylaen said: Fun things are fun, and internet arguments are one of themI'm going to look real dumb if this turns out to be a successful troll...ooh the perils of online conversation. Elegade said: Let's get this out of the way guys, we all know we're going to die alone anyways. What's the point of imagining a future where you get married? The closest thing we'll ever marry is our waifu body pillow. Man's gotta have a delusion. |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
I didn't say "it wasn't a big deal for my dad so it's not a big deal for everybody else" My point is that "not forcing your wife to take your last name" doesn't necessarily mean your "headship" will be "undermined" because of that She can always choose someone else who will be willing to allow her to take her last name. No one is forcing anyone but this is an important issue some men won't budge on. Does that mean a man who doesn't feel the need to oblige his wife to take his last name because he doesn't see that as a big deal automatically is weak? In the olden days stuff like this wouldn't be questioned but today everyone is a special snowflake who wants to deviate from the norm. In my opinion yes he is weak but I am guessing he isn't weak at all in yours correct? |
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She can always choose someone else who will be willing to allow her to take her last name. No one is forcing anyone but this is an important issue some men won't budge on. And others do not think it's a huge deal and don't care, that doesn't make them weakIn the olden days stuff like this wouldn't be questioned but today everyone is a special snowflake who wants to deviate from the norm. In my opinion yes he is weak but I am guessing he isn't weak at all in yours correct? Speaking from my own experience, no, I don't think it's a problem |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
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