| Maybe not the most unbiased source. But it's something to think about: |
| Yes, because a fetus is not a child. After the point where it develops into an actual baby, then it gets a little more complicated. Sure, you could look at it as preventing a child from being born, but the same could be said for contraception, or not having sex, but it's not murder, because there isn't anything yet to murder. |
blahkabelisonFeb 25, 2016 3:27 PM
| This is a truly hard question. I mean, if you want to have an abortion, you are obviously not ready for a child. But if you gave a birth to that child, how hard would it's life be? I honestly don't think there is a single good answer to this question. In my eyes, I don't know how to feel because I myself wouldn't be in a situation like this. |
| Ad Astra Per Aspera |
| Abortion isn't the same as murdering a young child. A developing fetus in the early stages can barely be qualified for life, and it hasn't developed a conciousness or a nervous system for the first 10-11 weeks of development, so it's incapable of feeling pain. Abortion is pretty much required in some cases, such as when either the parent or child (or both) are at danger of losing their lives during childbirth. Not to mention contraception isn't always 100% foolproof, condoms break, and the pill doesn't always work even when taken correctly. If someone isn't ready for a child (especially financially), and the pregnancy wasn't planned, there's nothing wrong with terminating the pregnancy. And then of course there's rape... But I'm not going to go down that road. |
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| I don't have any qualms with it as long as it's done pretty early on. Even then there are plenty of good arguments for late term abortions being allowed in individual cases. |
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| As for your understanding of abortion, here is a good analogy. If you knew you could save many people by pulling a lever and killing few of them, would you do it? Now after you decided, if you could save many people by killing one with your own hands, would you do it? Now see how long it took you to answer first and then the second question. This is, in a way, much like abortion. You feel easier because you don't do it directly, and that is the difference. |
| Ad Astra Per Aspera |
| Women should have the right to terminate their child up to the 8 year stage. I see some annoying little brats running around sometimes. |
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| There are pregnancies that got started from rape. If the child is unwanted, I see no reason why abortion shouldn't be allowed. |
| Of course it's okay. In the early stages of pregnancy it isn't even remotely akin to a human baby. |
 It's an entirely different kind of flying, altogether! It's an entirely different kind of flying. |
FrozenWhiskers said: Yes it is. You shouldn't be forced to carry a parasite and then waste your life raising it. Is that your final answer? Ot It depends if you care about the sanctity of life I guess, and how far you think that sanctity extends. |
| I've been here way too long... |
| I do agree with abortion, actually. If a parent decides to make an abortion then it's obvious that that child isn't wanted, so in my opinion it'll be better if that child isn't born at all rather than be born and not get the love it deserves. Also, as other people have mentioned, killing a developing fetus isn't the same as killing an actual child. |
EelllOct 9, 2018 3:53 PM
| Yes it is. There is nothing wrong with wanting to abort a child that was either unintentional or if the family cannot afford the child. |
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| im all for it Abortion could be a result of rape, incest, not being able to provide a emotionally stable life for child(being abusive or having an abusive spouse, not being able to support your child financially, living in an unsafe environment, being under 18 and pregnant(or simply not ready) are all viable reasons to have an abortion, and are likely the most common ones(this is from my perspective but in any case abortion is the mothers choice and no one should impose on it) If the woman is forced to give birth she should have fully paid leave and can immediately put it up for adoption if she wishes to, at the BARE minimum. |
ashishkaull said: Temmie said: im all for it Abortion could be a result of rape, incest, not being able to provide a emotionally stable life for child(being abusive or having an abusive spouse, not being able to support your child financially, living in an unsafe environment, being under 18 and pregnant(or simply not ready) are all viable reasons to have an abortion, and are likely the most common ones(this is from my perspective but in any case abortion is the mothers choice and no one should impose on it) If the woman is forced to give birth she should have fully paid leave and can immediately put it up for adoption if she wishes to, at the BARE minimum. "Why indulge in unsafe sex in the first place , if your are Economically and Socially poor and can't have Kids . Aborting also needs money . " How much weight this statement hold ? Abortion costs a fraction of what childbirth and raising a child costs If you're just attacking one thing I'll assume you think the rest is okay,which solves this issue |
| I would not consider abortion acceptable if the baby is: 1. Younger than 3 months old minimum. (Unless any of the next 3 requirements are met.) 2. Concieved out of rape. 3. The parent's are completely unable to support the child and give it a proper standard of care. (Though I believe people need to pass some basic standardized testing to recieve a permit to concieve a child.) All these poor people breeding like rats is fucking disgusting and just wrong. People who cant raise a child they willingly gave birth to are fucking scum. 4. The woman or child is in danger of death during birth. I believe that the rights a living thing/robot/anything capable of though deserves is based off of its sentience. A fetus is not a sentient creature. It is just about as intelligent as a worm. Consider this example, you have an advanced robot capable of being programmed into a sapient robot. But at the very moment it is hasnt been programmed. Would it be morally wrong to take destroy this robot? Of course not. Because it doesnt have its programming yet, at the moment it is nothing but a hunk of metal. Likewise, an undeveloped fetus is nothing more than a hunk of flesh. |
| Only when the partner is in danger of losing her life. |
| I think rape is ok in cases where the mothers life is in danger, or in cases of rape or incest. |
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| I have no problem with it what so ever . If the mother doesn't want the child and can get rid of it without any problems , what's the point of not doing so ? But i can't say i care about that child anyway, as long as it is not mine Also @Dimitrije1606 , your anology doesn't really work as i answered both questions pretty easly: I would save no one.If they can't save themselves, what's the point of me interfiring? |
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| All human beings have a right to life so I don't agree with abortion under any circumstance with the exception of both the mother and child will die no matter what. The only case I see this happening is with ectopic pregnancies. |
| If you force a woman to bring to term a child she is hugely against having, what on earth makes you think she won't try to get rid of it through inducing a miscarriage (through heavy drinking, smoking, excessive exercise etc)? Desperate times call for desperate measures... And what if said child ends up being born anyway but is now deformed & brain damaged (because of the mothers attempts to get rid of it herself throughout the pregnancy)? What if the mother is now psychologically damaged? What if the mother ends up dying or seriously physically damaged through the labour etc? What if out of desperation the mother attempts an abortion herself and ends up dying? Honestly I can think of few things more inhuman than a forced pregnancy. Its like reducing an intelligent human being into no more than a mere cattle-like incubator. Pregnancy is no walk in the park and it can scar someone for life etc. It can even prove fatal at times (and its hard to predict when a pregnancy may prove fatal- unexpected things can happen like a major vein hemorrhaging and the woman bleeding to death etc). If an abortion is performed within the legal limits, I have no issue with it. Safe legalized abortions have massively reduced the amount of women dying from botched abortions, dying from dangerous pregnancies, ending up mentally or physically scarred through forced pregnancies, reducing the amount of children born into poverty or with terribly inappropriate parents (meth addict prostitutes or underage kids) etc... |
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ashishkaull said: No matter how I look at it . My religious views overshadow my Logical view on this case . Killing an unborn is equal to killing a grown up . Parents agree for abortion . Abortion happens but Parents and Doctors aren't labelled as Murderers . Couple agree on Killing their young child . They Kill their child and are labelled as Murderers . I think elective abortions ie abortions for what ever someone feels like having them should be banned. I support abortion if carrying the baby to term will result in the mother losing her life and multiple doctors have confirmed this.I do not support abortion for rape and incest because it's not the child's fault one of the parents is a piece of shit. |
| No, abortion is not okay. But neither is having an unwanted pregnancy. And forcing a woman to carry is even less okay |
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| It's okay. It's a persons body why must you be against what happens to their body? It will in no way affect you. Also think about rape victims who were impregnated. Are you suggesting they live their life raising their abusers child? Take a step in their shoes and then tell me if you still think it's not okay. |
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| I think abortions are merciful. Life is horrible and pointless. Forcing people to exist is cruelty. It's better never to have been. |
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| I HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS TYPE OF DISCUSSION BEFORE! OT: I'm just going to leave this here |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: I hate it when this happens and I recognize the words and feels like a tape-recorder is unwinding in my head.I HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS TYPE OF DISCUSSION BEFORE! OT: I'm just going to leave this here I'VE NEVER FELT LIKE THIS BEFORE! |
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| Let's just all admit it. Abortions are obligatory. |
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Kurtmo said: In all honesty a little population control would go a long way.Let's just all admit it. Abortions are obligatory. |
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| I personally dislike the concept of abortion as I see it as cheating someone out of a chance at life. That being said I definitely wouldn't ban it as people living under certain circumstances wouldn't be able to raise a child properly. And of course the option should definitely be open to rape victims. |
LoveLikeBloodFeb 25, 2016 2:25 PM
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Candy said: That's probably because you've seen that specific post beforeComic_Sans said: I hate it when this happens and I recognize the words and feels like a tape-recorder is unwinding in my head.I HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS TYPE OF DISCUSSION BEFORE! OT: I'm just going to leave this here I'VE NEVER FELT LIKE THIS BEFORE! |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
TheBrainintheJar said: I think abortions are merciful. Life is horrible and pointless. Forcing people to exist is cruelty. It's better never to have been. I swear you are a male version of me >_> |
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| I don't believe there are many cercumstances where taking the life of an innocent is justifiable. There are plenty of alternative options to raising the child should you not have the means or will to provide for it. You have all benefitted from having the right to exist. How any of you have the audacity to argue that taking other peoples rights to life away is in any way justified when you yourselves actively benefit with every breath you draw from having not been aborted is utterly disgusting. It's really incredible the ways in which people perform mental gymnastics in order to justify what should obviously be murder. |
BigSleeveSheevFeb 25, 2016 3:52 PM
ModeratelyHuman said: That robot still has the potential to be a programmed robot. There would be an extra financial cost to build another robot .I would not consider abortion acceptable if the baby is: 1. Younger than 3 months old minimum. (Unless any of the next 3 requirements are met.) 2. Concieved out of rape. 3. The parent's are completely unable to support the child and give it a proper standard of care. (Though I believe people need to pass some basic standardized testing to recieve a permit to concieve a child.) All these poor people breeding like rats is fucking disgusting and just wrong. People who cant raise a child they willingly gave birth to are fucking scum. 4. The woman or child is in danger of death during birth. I believe that the rights a living thing/robot/anything capable of though deserves is based off of its sentience. A fetus is not a sentient creature. It is just about as intelligent as a worm. Consider this example, you have an advanced robot capable of being programmed into a sapient robot. But at the very moment it is hasnt been programmed. Would it be morally wrong to take destroy this robot? Of course not. Because it doesnt have its programming yet, at the moment it is nothing but a hunk of metal. Likewise, an undeveloped fetus is nothing more than a hunk of flesh. |
"Fuck this shit, fun things are fun!" |
| I don't think fetuses are life - they are things turning into life - so the comparisons to murder I find are a bit silly. That said, I wouldn't really complain if it was illegal since I'm a responsible adult, but it should always be permissible in cases of rape. I also hope that the super conservatives are aware and okay with the fact that forcing unplanned births to occur will significantly increase the amount of people who require welfare and other forms of government aid. |
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 Are you guys so bored that your deliberately making these intensely debatable threads about the same shit just see everyone yell at each-other? |
chokingasuka said: Are you guys so bored that your deliberately making these intensely debatable threads about the same shit just see everyone yell at each-other? Topics that are debated endlessly like abortion and religion are debated endlessly for a reason. They're discussions worth having. |
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finestseeker17 said: chokingasuka said: Are you guys so bored that your deliberately making these intensely debatable threads about the same shit just see everyone yell at each-other? Agreed! This topic is not even casual. That discussion with a girl asking MAL users about her new bonsai's name is casual. Or that discussion where a person asking how often you wash your hair, that is casual. Maybe this site should make a special room for "serious" discussions. I wasn't really thinking of it like that but yeah, your right. This isn't "Casual Discussion" this person had made 2 threads about "Death Penalty" and "Abortion" both in the same Catagory of "Casual Discussion" like I don't care about those topics, people make them every other week and I dont want to see it anymore, they get met with mostly sarcasm at this point, nobody want's to debate about this shit anymore. |
| It has no memories, no knowledge, no nothing. Religion is for stupid people to get on with living. |
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