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Feb 16, 2016 1:09 PM

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The new design looks pretty sweet, nice work!

Now if only you would add a
<meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width,initial-scale=1">
tag to the head. Seeing as the @viewport rule is still only a draft and has very poor support.
Feb 16, 2016 1:10 PM

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For all the people who keep going on about the old list being better...
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Will it be possible to re-create old list design through CSS?
Most likely, yes. MAL hasn't changed much of the general structure of the list.
Feb 16, 2016 1:11 PM

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It looks really good thanks for the great work you guys have been doing lately keep it up! c:
Feb 16, 2016 1:14 PM

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Xinil said:
Second, we’re providing the ability to revert and keep your list in the old format/design. New users and members that are using the ‘default list style’ will be automatically switched to the new design. If you’re using a custom list, your design should be untouched and stay as-is.

best part of this update, so there is hope for future updates to be more considerate to old members
(even if there is little left which hasn't been already changed with no "classic" option)

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Feb 16, 2016 1:29 PM
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I agree with the user that said you should try to unify the terminology used ("Currently Watching" => "Watching").

I probably won't switch until we can edit the CSS because

1) I tried the dark versions and the colors hurt my eyes. The purple is too bright for me.

2) Long text doesn't seem to wrap. Add this ("Ano Natsu de Matteru: Bokutachi wa Koukou Saigo no Natsu wo Sugoshinagara, Ano Natsu de Matteiru.") to your list to see what I mean.

It takes some time to load as well for longer lists.

I'd like to test run the functionality by using the new list for my manga and my current one for the anime part. Is that possible?

Other than that, good job :)
Feb 16, 2016 1:31 PM

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Doomcat55 said:
For all the people who keep going on about the old list being better...
Simplo said:
Will it be possible to re-create old list design through CSS?
Most likely, yes. MAL hasn't changed much of the general structure of the list.


It would require some heavy editing though, it will break a lot of designs that arent updated. tbh a lot of people probably wouldnt be bothered to recreate their designs and just make a totally new one, including me.



Also could this be updated to include the "title" attribute in the links again, especially because the lists arent separated so we cant see exactly how many shows are in each section without checking the Statistics on our profiles. I was using the title attribute in the old design for a tool tip for how many entries are in each section.
ShixmaFeb 16, 2016 1:36 PM
Feb 16, 2016 1:33 PM

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Thanks for giving us the option to keep the old feature.


Not a bad update but if you have a decent list it takes ages to load (even without images). Also not everyone has a big internet connection.
EratiKFeb 16, 2016 2:21 PM
Feb 16, 2016 1:39 PM

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I prefer simplicity however I do appreciate the change. It makes customizing your list a lot easier I think, compared to before which is good for those that want to change things up. Really glad we're allowed to stay with the old theme even if it's only until the kinks are worked out for this new theme. The cover/intro is really large, I think it might be better to shorten it in future updates.


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Feb 16, 2016 1:44 PM
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EratiK said:
Not a bad update (except the header) but the fact there's no option to deactivate images kind of ruins it.

You can deactivate them, you can also get rid of the header
http://myanimelist.net/editprofile.php?go=listpreferences
Feb 16, 2016 2:03 PM

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after checking it, the new list isn't that bad, using the status colors to separate the status categories looks neat
if only that stupidly huge banner wasn't there, the list should start in about the first 20 pixels from the top, not after 300px
good, that banner can be removed

the 300 loading limit may become a problem later, but i use my lists only to track what i'm watching/reading, anything else doesn't matter if they don't load

i'll need to go save the setting of my old edited manga-list, and reproduce that once there are more "easy list design" options, until there are more editing options i'll continue to use the classic

complains:
- the edit link for the tags is a bit awkward, you shouldn't have two lines if they can fit on one
- when you sort(by score) in "ALL" it would be good to still have the separation of categories
--- or being able to choose if to have the sorting working over everything, or only inside the specific status categories while keeping the separation


Simplo said:
povsuduvolosy said:
Yeah, I'm ok with old one, it's more compact. So I wont move to new one.

Problem is that they will remove the old design in the future. Why the hell will they do it is beyond me.
was ready to say that once they'll remove the old mode i'm ready to move to aniDB, but if they manage to give "at least" the same editing options of the old lists it may not be that bad
still agree they gain nothing from removing the old one, the only thing they gain is pissing off some members

wish it was possible to have modern on animelist and classic on mangalist, i would be fine with just that (never cared anything about the animelist looks, but still like my edited mangalist more)
ZeandoFeb 16, 2016 2:09 PM

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Feb 16, 2016 2:04 PM
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Love the new list layout. <3 Never got around to add cover art to my lists but now that won't be something for me to worry about. Thanks MAL!
Feb 16, 2016 2:07 PM

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@Zeando They will be adding the same things you can do with the old design, so Advanced CSS etc. Although I still don't want them to remove the old design as I cant be bothered to make another design all because they forced a design on me, I also don't like that they removed the title attribute from the links, as I use them for tool tips in my designs.
Feb 16, 2016 2:07 PM
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Oh gosh, thanks so much for allowing us to keep the classic at this time.;; I wasn't ready for a change in that aspect of the site and am using my list so frequently at the moment that I don't have the time (patience) to work with a new list style.;;

I'll see if I can work with the new layout in order to give it a chance and maybe help look for bugs possibly this weekend or next weekend (or if I have free time during this week). Maybe I'll try for the time between anime seasons to work with it?? Seems like a lot of drawing I'd have to do to make something I'd like, ha hah.

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Feb 16, 2016 2:15 PM

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just noticed there is discrimination over the classic :u
classic has 402Kb as size limit for background images while modern has 1Mb
wonder what is the tecnical reason..
(hope the updates on more editing options will be soon)
ZeandoFeb 16, 2016 2:27 PM

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Feb 16, 2016 2:19 PM

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Shayon said:
You can deactivate them, you can also get rid of the header
http://myanimelist.net/editprofile.php?go=listpreferences
Alright thanks, I see the image one.
Ah, header is in customize the theme...

Nope, it's better but it's still taking 15 seconds to load my list, not good enough.
EratiKFeb 16, 2016 2:22 PM
Feb 16, 2016 2:23 PM

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Really like it! It feels more organised and clean. For me who ins't experience with CSS, it's a lot easier to get it to look nice. Thanks!
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Feb 16, 2016 2:40 PM

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Really loving the new re-design of the lists, its soo cool!
Feb 16, 2016 2:43 PM
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See how peaceful it is when you don't force new updates down our throats and actually let us have an option to chose from? Glad you guys learned your lesson after the whole profile update mess that happened a few months ago.
Feb 16, 2016 2:44 PM

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flash0101 said:
See how peaceful it is when you don't force new updates down our throats and actually let us have an option to chose from? Glad you guys learned your lesson after the whole profile update mess that happened a few months ago.


They still might, they said they wont discontinue the classic design yet. So I still expect them to remove it after they iron out the new design. Although I really hope they dont remove it as I dont want to have to make a new design to accommodate MAL shoving unwanted updates down my throat.
Feb 16, 2016 2:44 PM

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Zeando said:
Xinil said:
Second, we’re providing the ability to revert and keep your list in the old format/design. New users and members that are using the ‘default list style’ will be automatically switched to the new design. If you’re using a custom list, your design should be untouched and stay as-is.

best part of this update, so there is hope for future updates to be more considerate to old members
(even if there is little left which hasn't been already changed with no "classic" option)
Feb 16, 2016 2:48 PM

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It's pretty cool actually, gonna switch to the modern design when I find a good, not too used layout.

Enjyu said:
It has the potential to be really cool but as the previous user said the topper thing is too big, I like the idea of making the anime list rows higher so it's easier to read titles, but pictures is too much, it also takes forever to load 700 images, as other users already mentioned separate sections for the All anime section would have been a good move.

It has a number of really good points and the best one is we can revert to the old design! Please do not remove it, my poor machine here can not handle something so heavy as the new design, it lags and crashes before loading 300!

You must have a pretty good machine then xD

But once all the pictures are downloaded for the first time it won't matter much since you'll need to download the new ones. If you do not clean your cache obviously. And I doubt there won't be an option to disable all those pictures.

NOOOOOOOOOW! IS MAL TAKING OVER THE OTHER ANIME COMMUNITIES? It is and it won't take much longer for MAL to be larger than all of them combined. Good work, for I while (for like 4 years) I thought you guys wouldn't change shit in the website but it turns out in the last year you guys did an amazing job at improving it, impressive.

Keep up the good work.
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Feb 16, 2016 2:51 PM

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I really like the new list design. Gonna stick with it.
Feb 16, 2016 2:53 PM

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I'm glad we can keep our old list style :)
Feb 16, 2016 2:57 PM
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Tyrel said:
The few new list shortcomings are a primary reason we have not discontinued the old design yet.


Please consider addressing the Control-F issue with the current design before you drop support for the old design. If you are viewing a MAL with 1,000+ entries using the new design, you have to scroll down to the bottom of the Web page multiple times so that it would load the whole list. You can't use Control-F reliably until the whole list has been loaded.
Feb 16, 2016 3:04 PM
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Scabon said:
Tyrel said:
The few new list shortcomings are a primary reason we have not discontinued the old design yet.


Please consider addressing the Control-F issue with the current design before you drop support for the old design. If you are viewing a MAL with 1,000+ entries using the new design, you have to scroll down to the bottom of the Web page multiple times so that it would load the whole list. You can't use Control-F reliably until the whole list has been loaded.


its dynamic/lazy loading that is done on all modern sites to help poor internet speed users like me, so dont change it please MAL devs, the reason it helps poor internet speed is that it only loads the rest when you scroll down as you said

i also explained the same on this thread http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1482766
Feb 16, 2016 3:04 PM

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I usually make my list design with CSS coding but when I don't feel like coding, I will check out this feature.
Feb 16, 2016 3:06 PM

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Hayth said:
I really like the new list design.


Ye, but i have a question: Can i enlarge the anime thumbnails?
Feb 16, 2016 3:10 PM

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Another issue with the design, bad support for screen readers. Your icons shouldnt be done like that. Upload the svg files to something like icomoon.io and create a font with the icons. Glyphs are much better as it reduces page file size and when done properly screen readers wont try to read out the icon.
Feb 16, 2016 3:21 PM

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I don't like it so I love that you let us use the old one. But, can I turn off the stupid announcement that tells me the list was redesigned?
Feb 16, 2016 3:22 PM

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Who tested this?
It doesn't have any restrictions on file size or do any resizing. Trying to upload a massive file just gets a connection reset error, probably because the server restricts size but the application doesn't.
And if it has options for CSS you may as well allow complete restyling.
Feb 16, 2016 3:25 PM

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j0x said:
Scabon said:


Please consider addressing the Control-F issue with the current design before you drop support for the old design. If you are viewing a MAL with 1,000+ entries using the new design, you have to scroll down to the bottom of the Web page multiple times so that it would load the whole list. You can't use Control-F reliably until the whole list has been loaded.


its dynamic/lazy loading that is done on all modern sites to help poor internet speed users like me, so dont change it please MAL devs, the reason it helps poor internet speed is that it only loads the rest when you scroll down as you said

i also explained the same on this thread http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1482766


Easy: Give us the possibility to choose if we want partial loading or not.
If you want, use the settings to enable it, and then every list you open will be partial loaded.
And if I don't want, I'll disable the option and all lists that I open will full load in just one go.

This way MAL helps members with low internet connection AND members that want everything loaded to use CTRL+F.
But... it's MAL we're talking about. Giving ideas to benefit everybody is just a waste of time.
Feb 16, 2016 3:26 PM

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Who tested this?
It doesn't have any restrictions on file size or do any resizing. Trying to upload a massive file just gets a connection reset error, probably because the server restricts size but the application doesn't.
And if it has options for CSS you may as well allow complete restyling.
If you read, CSS will be available in the future but not yet because of the flexibility it does not provide yet for CSS users.
Feb 16, 2016 3:33 PM

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Tyrel said:
Jacquelin said:
Who tested this?
It doesn't have any restrictions on file size or do any resizing. Trying to upload a massive file just gets a connection reset error, probably because the server restricts size but the application doesn't.
And if it has options for CSS you may as well allow complete restyling.
If you read, CSS will be available in the future but not yet because of the flexibility it does not provide yet for CSS users.

Ah, my bad, I did not read.

Now I get an error message if the file is above 1MB (IMO too small) but it will still upload the whole thing before returning an error if the file size is somewhere between the application limit and the server limit (I think 10MB). I don't know what you are using in the backend, but surely you can send back the error before actually reading all the bytes.
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Oiacz said:
j0x said:


its dynamic/lazy loading that is done on all modern sites to help poor internet speed users like me, so dont change it please MAL devs, the reason it helps poor internet speed is that it only loads the rest when you scroll down as you said

i also explained the same on this thread http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1482766


Easy: Give us the possibility to choose if we want partial loading or not.
If you want, use the settings to enable it, and then every list you open will be partial loaded.
And if I don't want, I'll disable the option and all lists that I open will full load in just one go.

This way MAL helps members with low internet connection AND members that want everything loaded to use CTRL+F.
But... it's MAL we're talking about. Giving ideas to benefit everybody is just a waste of time.


cannot you people just use the built-in search feature?

Feb 16, 2016 3:40 PM
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or enable lazy loading for the mobile site only.


i do not have a smartphone and only using a old desktop computer with poor internet speed

if they provide an option then i hope they consider my case too
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Tyrel said:
Jacquelin said:
Who tested this?
It doesn't have any restrictions on file size or do any resizing. Trying to upload a massive file just gets a connection reset error, probably because the server restricts size but the application doesn't.
And if it has options for CSS you may as well allow complete restyling.
If you read, CSS will be available in the future but not yet because of the flexibility it does not provide yet for CSS users.


Do you have any idea when we will be getting support for Advanced CSS?
Feb 16, 2016 3:43 PM
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@j0x
The built-in search function currently doesn't even have a working search button. Painstakingly navigating to the top, clicking on the icon and pressing enter is so much slower compared to Ctrl-F.


the magnifying glass image icon is the search button? or if you want to push the button then just press enter on your keyboard?

CTRL+F is for desktop only as far as i know, this new list design is intended for mobile too
Feb 16, 2016 3:45 PM

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Tyrel said:
If you read, CSS will be available in the future but not yet because of the flexibility it does not provide yet for CSS users.


Do you have any idea when we will be getting support for Advanced CSS?
My guess is as good as anyone else.
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j0x said:
Oiacz said:

Easy: Give us the possibility to choose if we want partial loading or not.
If you want, use the settings to enable it, and then every list you open will be partial loaded.
And if I don't want, I'll disable the option and all lists that I open will full load in just one go.

This way MAL helps members with low internet connection AND members that want everything loaded to use CTRL+F.
But... it's MAL we're talking about. Giving ideas to benefit everybody is just a waste of time.


cannot you people just use the built-in search feature?



No, we can't. As I said in this posts:




If I want to reach the bottom of my list, I'll have to load everything while scrolling down.
In the old format, I just need to press End and Home to navigate through the list.

If I want to reach some part of my list, like letter P, I'll have to load it while scrolling down.
In the old format, I just need to use CTRL+F, search for some anime name near the area that I want to see (for example, Pokemon), and yay, I'm there.
And using CTRL+F I won't see just "Pokemon", but everything that I want to see. Using the search function... I'll see just Pokemon.

Well, I'm giving the possible best idea that will please EVERYBODY. Giving us the possibility to choose if we want partial loading or not, my preference won't disturb your preference, so being against it is illogical. My full loading won't get in the way of your low connectivity, and your partial load won't get in the way of my CTRL+F.
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Thank you guys!
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j0x said:
its dynamic/lazy loading that is done on all modern sites to help poor internet speed users like me, so dont change it please MAL devs, the reason it helps poor internet speed is that it only loads the rest when you scroll down as you said


Dynamic loading is fine when you don't need the ability to search, e.g. when scrolling through Google's Image Search results. However, it's a whole different story when you are viewing a list of shows. Losing the ability to search within a list is a big deal.

As far as internet speed goes, if your internet is slow, you can disable image display in the new design. Besides, the main problem with the old design was that it was very bloated. My MAL contains fewer than 700 anime yet my old anime list was 2.93 Mb (!!) in size. That's 4.2Kb or more than two pages worth of regular text for every anime displayed. Making the HTML/JS more compact would go a long way.
Feb 16, 2016 3:49 PM

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It looks alright, but

- An option to scale it down a little would be nice. Everything seems massively magnified currently


That's my problem as well. With the old design it's easy to see all at once (or at least a big part). The new design makes you scroll, scroll, scroll, and scroll some more.

I might be in the minority, but I prefer things small and clean over big designs.

Edit: Tried it without pictures & header now, and it's much better. But - it doesn't really feel like an improvement over the old design.
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Scabon said:
j0x said:
its dynamic/lazy loading that is done on all modern sites to help poor internet speed users like me, so dont change it please MAL devs, the reason it helps poor internet speed is that it only loads the rest when you scroll down as you said


Dynamic loading is fine when you don't need the ability to search, e.g. when scrolling through Google's Image Search results. However, it's a whole different story when you are viewing a list of shows. Losing the ability to search within a list is a big deal.

As far as internet speed goes, if your internet is slow, you can disable image display in the new design. Besides, the main problem with the old design was that it was very bloated. My MAL contains fewer than 700 anime yet my old anime list was 2.93 Mb (!!) in size. That's 4.2Kb or more than two pages worth of regular text for every anime displayed. Making the HTML/JS more compact would go a long way.


that bold part, you do not lose the ability to search at all, since they provided a built-in search feature, i already have a screenshot of it too in previous replies to another user
Feb 16, 2016 3:50 PM

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I think @j0x didn't understand my idea. My idea isn't that the Devs disable partial loading because we don't like it, but to give us an option in the settings so that each person can choose if they want or not partial loading. This way you can have partial loading while I can have full loading if we want. Everybody happy.
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Well, sorry old is 100x better. I'm not a big fan of MANY new websites. They make no sense to me, everything is bigger, especially useless stuff and you have to scroll and scroll and scroll all the freaking time to get to anything you want. I know it's more user friendly for smartphones and tablets, but it's dumb for pc.

Your new list is big. Half of my 15" screen on laptop is this huge place for some picture or something + some links at the top. All big, all the least important thing on the screen. So to get to the stuff that you are actually interested in you ned to scroll down. And there they are. All rows are so big, for me it does not make them more clear or anything, just a lot of unused space. Well, it's a trend in webdesign and as i said eariler, i don't like it at all.

THX for giving us the option to stay with old design, it's perfect, don't take it away from us :)
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Oiacz said:

Well, I'm giving the possible best idea that will please EVERYBODY. Giving us the possibility to choose if we want partial loading or not, my preference won't disturb your preference, so being against it is illogical. My full loading won't get in the way of your low connectivity, and your partial load won't get in the way of my CTRL+F.


ok sure, i just dont want this dynamic/lazy loading to go away completely
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j0x said:
Scabon said:


Please consider addressing the Control-F issue with the current design before you drop support for the old design. If you are viewing a MAL with 1,000+ entries using the new design, you have to scroll down to the bottom of the Web page multiple times so that it would load the whole list. You can't use Control-F reliably until the whole list has been loaded.


its dynamic/lazy loading that is done on all modern sites to help poor internet speed users like me, so dont change it please MAL devs, the reason it helps poor internet speed is that it only loads the rest when you scroll down as you said

i also explained the same on this thread http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1482766
So get better internet. You're really arrogant. You have bad internet, so people with good internet can't use it?
Connection speeds are RISING with time, not dropping. Limiting amount of data makes no sense.
Not to mention the lists are mostly text, so loading them isn't really hard.
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The images that are being loaded are larger than the actual size displayed. So there is a lot of waste when you are loading thousands of them.

On top of that it doesn't seem that they are being cached. Or at least they are being retrieved again when I reload.

I'm not sure that showing images by default is very useful anyway. It slows down page load a lot. It takes only 1.5-2 seconds to load without images, and then images take another 20 seconds for me.
When I look at someone else's list I am not interested at looking at pritty pictures that I can't distinguish at 70px height, I just want to skim through the text. It doesn't work too well when I can only see a dozen entries at a time.
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j0x said:
cannot you people just use the built-in search feature?
No, it's utter shit compared to easy ctrl+F, takes too much time and is a small box.
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veluk said:

THX for giving us the option to stay with old design, it's perfect, don't take it away from us :)


try reading the first post more, and many replies on this thread already said that the old design will be removed eventually

if you want the old design that much, then you can create your own or request other users to make one for you when there is a CSS editing feature for the new design
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