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beast_regards said: Kiriae88 said: I usually play priest class in MMO games and I quite often get in the front lines. If it's just a regular grind I will fight along with everyone else, healing every now and then(I keep track on team mates hp and heal when its nearing 50%).I believe it is better to get the mob before the mob gets your teammate instead of doing nothing and only healing the teammate after the mob gets him. First choice makes the mob dead and doesn't require any healing if done properly. Second choice forces you to heal the teammate while dealing with the mob jumping around, still attacking.. Problem of the show is that it isn't an anime adaptation of this or that MMO and doesn't bother to explain why priest is supposed to act the certain way - it keeps reminding to us what world is real (fantasy) world where you die when you are killed, not some Mass Multiplayer Game. Protagonists of the show doesn't even know what MMO is! This brings us to the question why priests indeed does need to be dressed in silk - in MMO, it's game mechanic, yet basically you can still get an armoured healer in some other ones, capable of some combat even when solo. I never cared about type of armor in my games - I just use arcane one in my priests as other armors decrease healing powers(except from one game where healing power wasn't much depended on stats and most useful battle priest skills depended on strength). And it doesn't prevent me from being a combat healer. If you know what you are doing and assess the situation fast you don't have to be tanky to survive front lines - you just need to not get hit and be ready to self heal/fall back fast in case you get hit. About protagonists not knowing what MMO is - it's not much of a problem. I don't start MMO games thinking "I'm a priest so my role is this and this" either. I choose priest because of their ability to heal others but everything else is me learning the character and the world. I don't expect I can't do something just because "priests usually can't do it". I learn my skills, try various things and then decide what I can do and how to use it in unique way. There is no rules except for very basic game mechanisms which are not different from physic laws in real world - once you learn them you can even operate them like any other tool (see: exploit). The armor thing... I am not sure if it was explained in the anime but I am pretty sure I read mages can't use heavy armor there because metal interferes with magic. Healing powers are also magic - therefore priests cannot use heavy armor either. I can also see why priests cannot use light armor - light armor usually contains leather which is made of dead animals, priests probably cannot wear something with such aura of death. It is also possible silk has some properties allowing priests to access their powers so wearing silk is a requirement. It doesn't mean the silk clothes wouldn't be customized though. For example using wood. I would MacGyver something up if that's the case. BTW. Despite what I say I actually like Mary. Not very much but she is still better than most of the team. She is too rude and acts high and mighty but it's understandable - she is doing them a favor. They need a priest and a team like that won't get one easily. Group of strangers who just lost their priest. She doesn't want to do much or risk her life for them yet. She will calm down after some bond and trust gets made. I really love how she deals with Ranta. |
pkmngodarceus said: Bphantom said: Personally, i loved this episode. Can someone who has read the LN tell me if Haruhiro and Yume are going to become a couple in the future? Make sure to put it into a spoiler tag tough. Really? |
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| Communication is key for the party now. It seems that the party just falls in shambles without Manato. Manato was definitely the rope that tied them together, without him the party can't seem to get along. This week, we get a new edition to the party; a preist, Mary. It's obvious that Mary isn't a Manato replacement despite being a priest. Manato's strategy prowess, leadership and bond with the party is lost. Obviously Mary could care less about the party instead of Manato's altruistic character. Mary seems to be more matured in her thought process and tried to protect herself first at all cost rather than risking her life to save others. Haruhiro's party needs to realize that they have been relying on Manato too much and need to man up. I also thought that Haruhiro rejecting Renji's gold piece was vital, especially if they don't want to continue being complacent. They need to start to learn being better and stand up on their own two feet without Manato. |
I laughed pretty hard at that part. For anyone with any rpg experience this is a great joke. Ranta was going to tell Mogzo exactly what I felt before he cut him off in anger. Maybe if he channeled a bit of that anger into bravery and actually using his armor and size to tank maybe there healer wouldn't be dead. |
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| Mary seems like a cool promising character. I'm keeping an eye on her. Lol I'm liking that Yume x Haru scene! I wish there would be more. |
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bored_bored said: rub it moreee rub it rub it more , i hope im not the only one who noticed it for a few sec well im kinda hoping for them to be paired up but i know thats not likely to happen,read way too much spoiled everything for myself You're not the only one. I don't mind the ship but it ruined the moment.  This is supposed to be a sad moment but this.. it's kind of strange. |
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I see. So basically Anyways, thanks so much for those informations. |
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| lol Haru x Yume ship has sailed |
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Angrayu said: hlubkoj2020 said: Get over it already...people will die one way or another...btw is Haruhiro gay? Haha Well good to see Mary join the party. Yume is acting like a cunt now... please grow up already. why should he be gay? And why is that laughable for you to begin with? You mad bro? I have the right to my own opinion and I can do what I like. If you don't like, don't read, it's that simple! |
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| This serie gives me depression lol I got over Manato's death ,but now I'm so sad again ._. Yuma x haru tho <33333 |
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hlubkoj2020 said: I get what you're saying but you've giving off a kinda internet tough guy vibe.Angrayu said: please grow up already. why should he be gay? And why is that laughable for you to begin with? You mad bro? I have the right to my own opinion and I can do what I like. If you don't like, don't read, it's that simple! |
QWERTYFish25 said: hlubkoj2020 said: I get what you're saying but you've giving off a kinda internet tough guy vibe.You mad bro? I have the right to my own opinion and I can do what I like. If you don't like, don't read, it's that simple! I'm sorry if my OPINION hurt you people. Now have a good day. |
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| ;_____; oh my god this was such a great episode, what a feeltrain. Sad stuff, sad stuff and laughs a bit too, SUPER sentimental stuff and some lightheartedness. Perfect/5 (HaruYume OTP :333333333) |
| Man i love the chill nature of this show and the feels and art style really add to it I do find Mary a bit cold and calculating/slightly sassy but we have only seen her for a bit so to early to judge quite a sad ep how everyone is getting over Manato's death hopefully they pick themselves up a bit and remember him in a good way but carry on adventuring happily want to see more of the other volunteers that white haired guys seemed badass :D also Haruhiro x Yume is now a strong ship haha |
| Great episode, coming to grips with someone's death is entirely different than just knowing it happened. Clearly talking it out is helping them overcome this loss. I really don't see why people are complaining about the pace, I'm enjoying it being slow. I think it works out really well. Not a big fan of Mary so far. Not much of a team player. Oooooooooooooooooooh snap. Manato x Yume is happening. That was a really nice scene between them though. Very emotionally powerful. |
hlubkoj2020 said: QWERTYFish25 said: I get what you're saying but you've giving off a kinda internet tough guy vibe. I'm sorry if my OPINION hurt you people. Now have a good day. MY FEELINGS!!1! Q_Q |
| This team of complete noobs needs a character like Mary to shape them up at least a bit. I mean, really - a Priest... in light clothing... who's job is to heal... going to the front lines... and tanking? Get a clue. Wouldn't say I'm a fan of overly dramatic scenes, but I have to say this is conveying the characters' feelings well. Hopefully there is a lot of Mary from now on. 4/5 Oh, I'm liking this. |
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| Right, manato's dead become longlasting drama, full 1 eps to be precise. This eps is 1/5 eps where i'm on ranta's side. At least he can think logical, while haruhiro trying to be that lame generic male lead, reject renji's gold. *sigh* Wut? You need it, living, sleep and eat needs money. Even underwear become a thing a few eps ago, huft.. Well, at least it was OK thanks to late yume x haruhiro scene, before that, MEH. ================== priest/healer on frontline, and using that staff to attack? Pfftt.. Beats me. |
| Episode 1 -3 "WHAT WOULD WE DO WITHOUT YA, MANATO" Episode 4-5 "WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITHOUT MANATOO!" Jokes aside, decent episode. I want to see this Mary character more as she's pretty straight-forward with how things need to go, in other words priest not being on the front-lines and everyone playing their classes how it should be. I wish it didn't take so long, but I'm glad we may finally be getting to the part where we'll see some progression. |
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| Overall a solid episode, though the break from emotion at the very end was kind of disappointing. But the scene where Haru was just weeping in Yume's arms, and the piano in the background became louder... perfect. Now that Manato is gone, Moguzo has become the new best guy Mary seems pretty static though compared to our other characters... I hope either she gets more dynamic or leaves. |
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| Holy fuck this is so good. Boku Dake needs to up its game. |
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| If being a priest makes you susceptible to being targeted by enemies, why didn't the guilds instruct the newcomers to walk along with 2 or more priests in their party. In such a world, "that should be common sense"! It's as simple as: "If we have only one healer and he/she get's knocked down, who's going to heal the healer? Hence, we need more than one healer." I hate this when they try to "justify" killing a character, but then ignore how such a world would face such "reasoning". They didn't need to come up with that excuse ("enemies also know priests heal, so they target them"). Just "the enemies target those who are left behind, the more vulnerable ones" would be enough. But then, they come up with another dumb excuse on top of that ("I'm a priest and won't fight") instead of having them think straight and bring 2+ healers with them. Hope they stop with that nonsense soon... kevkn said: Lots of here complaining Mary being a bitchy ass priest. Do you even play MMO games? when did you see priest doing frontline in party grinds. Did you ever play any Final Fantasy-like games? You could have more than one priest in your party and have them heal each other, which allows them to be in the frontline and act as tanks. Unfortunately, Mary (and everyone in this show) is as narrow minded as you. |
BlowITAFeb 9, 2016 11:15 PM
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| The staff who are animating these deserve a lot of credit. All these small detailed movements are really bringing the characters to life. Not to mention the fantastic backgrounds with that water drop color, beautiful. This is definitely unique take on the transported to RPG world. It does everything so realistically in how people would actually react and I am loving it. A-1 pictures killing it with Grimgar, Erased and Gate. |
Blow said: kevkn said: Lots of here complaining Mary being a bitchy ass priest. Do you even play MMO games? when did you see priest doing frontline in party grinds. Did you ever play any Final Fantasy-like games? You could have more than one priest in your party and have them heal each other, which allows them to be in the frontline and act as tanks. Unfortunately, Mary (and everyone in this show) is as narrow minded as you. That's the thing, Mary is the only healer in the party so there's still no reason for her to be in the front line. Not sure why they told her to when they were informed about healers being targets.. |
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Well. Thanks alot for the correction. It's really appreciated. |
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Blow said: Hope they stop with that nonsense soon... I don't think it will stop - they are subject of many restricting RPG tropes that doesn't make sense in "realistic" approach |
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Yaido said: lizebutnotrize said: Lmao even in a supposedly emotional scene they still manage to sexualize/objectify the shit out of Yume. Also where the fuck is her supposedly flat chest? Well yes, that is what we men like, you got a problem with that girl? "Objectification" did you leak from tumblr? what's with the nonsensical concepts. I never even noticed the sideboob. TO me it makes sense that she'd look like in that world, at that time, and in that place. Screaming sexual objectification at everything is pretty stupid imo. |
| Didn't Manato have a journal he was writing in, in a past episode? How come no one has noticed that yet? He might of wrote some important things in it... [Unless I'm totally remembering wrong...] |
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Necromia said: Blow said: Did you ever play any Final Fantasy-like games? You could have more than one priest in your party and have them heal each other, which allows them to be in the frontline and act as tanks. Unfortunately, Mary (and everyone in this show) is as narrow minded as you. That's the thing, Mary is the only healer in the party so there's still no reason for her to be in the front line. Not sure why they told her to when they were informed about healers being targets.. It makes sense anyways. We're supposed to be looking at this with classes and specific roles in mind. Hell, this episode confirmed it with that guy telling them, "Isn't it obvious the enemies would aim for the priest first? That's why the Warrior, etc. protects them." Forget the staple FF games, look at FFXI Online. That game was brutal to its core if you didn't have well-defined roles in your party to fight off monsters. If they mentioned something like beocming an 'advanced class' where he could become a Paladin or something, sure I'd be inclined to say go for it; However, he wasn't, Manato was just your standard cleric. |
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| Really beautiful episode :) |
| mary is the only one with combat sense. |
| That was a rather depressing episode. Its sad to see how far they have fallen since Manato died. I'm glad they lightened up the mood a bit at the end, I felt it was kinda needed after having the dark mood. Wow Mary is annoying. |
| Its weird. I feel like this episode took both a giant step forward and a giant step backward. In terms of plotline, nothing happened. If anything, the group went backward. They are back to where they started. On the other hand, the group realizes that they have a teamwork problem that needs to be fixed. They aren't unified. Mary was interesting. I honestly feel like she is a cardboard cutout compared to Manato. That had better changed. Also, I totally ship Haruhiro and Yume. I did at the beginning and I definitely do now. Also, that last scene was hilarious! I loved how Yume didn't realize anything was wrong until 30 seconds after the incident...classic! |
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nogitsunechaos said: The sexualizing and fan service with the two main girls annoys me. It was a good episode. I am sad about Manato but I love the new girl. Hopefully she wont get too sexualized. Are you gay or something? who doesn't enjoy a good bit of fan service. Hopefully you're not one of those cuckolded nu-male feminist types. |
YaidoFeb 10, 2016 9:40 PM
Necromia said: Blow said: Did you ever play any Final Fantasy-like games? You could have more than one priest in your party and have them heal each other, which allows them to be in the frontline and act as tanks. Unfortunately, Mary (and everyone in this show) is as narrow minded as you. That's the thing, Mary is the only healer in the party so there's still no reason for her to be in the front line. Not sure why they told her to when they were informed about healers being targets.. Also note that in this world, mana is similar to energy and stamina in real life. They have no way of knowing how much mana they have left except for when they're feeling tired which means their mana is already too low and that means trouble when you're in deep shit. There's also no speedy mana regen in here like in MMOs. Saying that they need to be a tank and needlessly wasting their mana is stupid when they should've been preserving it for emergency like what happened with Manato. The part about having 2 priests in a party is pretty plausible but that seems like a waste since if you're smart enough to be careful, you should've been able to avoid most injuries and be contented with just one priest. In a veteran party, there may be a Priest who's strong enough to tank, but in a trainee party like them, Priest being a tank is pretty stupid by wasting their mana when they didn't have enough in the first place which would defeat the purpose of a Priest when they can't even heal. |
| Well Mary seems cold but it seems they can learn some shit from her since she obviously has more experience on how things must be done. That other dude really is to the Archer look. lizebutnotrize said: Lmao even in a supposedly emotional scene they still manage to sexualize/objectify the shit out of Yume. Also where the fuck is her supposedly flat chest? This ain't Tumbir, no one likes your objectifying bullshit. |
| Great. This episode was so realistic, I loved it. Now, they surely understood why Manato is dead. The despair was really strong in this one. Haru and Yume have to end together. Yume is clearly the best girl. |
EasyGo-er said: Also note that in this world, mana is similar to energy and stamina in real life. They have no way of knowing how much mana they have left except for when they're feeling tired which means their mana is already too low and that means trouble when you're in deep shit. There's also no speedy mana regen in here like in MMOs. This is the mechanic no one bothered to reveal in story. It hasn't been mentioned before and it wasn't an viable part of strategy, perhaps there was a single hint in chapter 4, but no one bothered to take a lesson in that either. Manato as a priest obviously didn't had a clue despite the fact he should be first one to be told this. Ironically enough, mage girl didn't had a clue about this part either and if Manato didn't had a reason, she should be first one to point out in order to keep her boyfriend (or rather crush) safe. No one in party had a clue about it either and it wouldn't be ever brought if Mary didn't appeared. This in general feels like someone or something trolls the s*** out of them by randomly adding and removing RPG elements. |
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beast_regards said: EasyGo-er said: Also note that in this world, mana is similar to energy and stamina in real life. They have no way of knowing how much mana they have left except for when they're feeling tired which means their mana is already too low and that means trouble when you're in deep shit. There's also no speedy mana regen in here like in MMOs. This is the mechanic no one bothered to reveal in story. It hasn't been mentioned before and it wasn't an viable part of strategy, perhaps there was a single hint in chapter 4, but no one bothered to take a lesson in that either. Manato as a priest obviously didn't had a clue despite the fact he should be first one to be told this. Ironically enough, mage girl didn't had a clue about this part either and if Manato didn't had a reason, she should be first one to point out in order to keep her boyfriend (or rather crush) safe. No one in party had a clue about it either and it wouldn't be ever brought if Mary didn't appeared. This in general feels like someone or something trolls the s*** out of them by randomly adding and removing RPG elements. Why should they explain this? Just from watching the past episodes, you should have already known that there's no HUD or whatever being displayed in their minds even though there's RPGs elements here and there. This world is more of a fantasy than a game. They can't even remember what a game is in ep 1. The people in this world is totally oblivious to the concept of a game, health points or mana points. Danmachi also did this but of course no one is complaining since there's no death in that anime. |
EasyGo-erFeb 11, 2016 8:56 PM
EasyGo-er said: Why should they explain this? Just from watching the past episodes, you should have already known that there's no HUD or whatever being displayed in their minds even though there's RPGs elements here and there. This world is more of a fantasy than a game. They can't even remember what a game is in ep 1. The people in this world is totally oblivious to the concept of a game, health points or mana points. Danmachi also did this but of course no one is complaining since there's no death in that anime. This is actually part of the problem - world described in Grimgar is an actual fantasy universe as real as any fantasy universe can get. RPG games aren't even mentioned and there is no suggestion world itself was a game. There are plenty of issues that come from mixing RPG elements, attempt for realism and general tone of the story ... There are plenty of illogical stuff, but let's go to healer question first - As far the story goes ... - it is possible to learn magic - yet, people who are taught magic aren't taught the magic theory art is based on, which is illogical on realistic worldview story used - it's not coming from game, magic is part of the natural laws of this universe, hence logically priests and mages needs to be told from where energy for their spells actually comes and under what condition - yet, Manato didn't had an idea about this! - trainers are not teaching protagonist any viable strategy and no one bothered to told them what is priest's role in combat, preferable strategy. If stamina is used to cast spell, then necessarily to not tire yourself as seems even running depletes your potential to cast spells etc. etc. - all those things should be part of the training for many classes, even non-magical ones as they have different niche to fill ... |
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| Even this time, with hard work, it adds another small piece of history. All the time until near the end, a sense of rage invaded me, the fault is due to the fact that the characters were crying on him instead of reacting in front of Manato death, fortunately at the end there was the resolution to problem. Pretty good drawings and animations, shame that today we have not made many steps forward to find out the character of the protagonists, oh well! |
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beast_regards said: This in general feels like someone or something trolls the s*** out of them by randomly adding and removing RPG elements. beast_regards said: - trainers are not teaching protagonist any viable strategy and no one bothered to told them what is priest's role in combat, preferable strategy. If stamina is used to cast spell, then necessarily to not tire yourself as seems even running depletes your potential to cast spells etc. etc. - all those things should be part of the training for many classes, even non-magical ones as they have different niche to fill ... That's exactly what bothered me the most in this show. They try to represent a realistic/plausible world, yet they neglect/disregard how those rules/elements would influence the whole way of thinking/acting of the dwellers of such world. EasyGo-er said: Also note that in this world, mana is similar to energy and stamina in real life. They have no way of knowing how much mana they have left except for when they're feeling tired which means their mana is already too low and that means trouble when you're in deep shit. There's also no speedy mana regen in here like in MMOs. Saying that they need to be a tank and needlessly wasting their mana is stupid when they should've been preserving it for emergency like what happened with Manato. The part about having 2 priests in a party is pretty plausible but that seems like a waste since if you're smart enough to be careful, you should've been able to avoid most injuries and be contented with just one priest. In a veteran party, there may be a Priest who's strong enough to tank, but in a trainee party like them, Priest being a tank is pretty stupid by wasting their mana when they didn't have enough in the first place which would defeat the purpose of a Priest when they can't even heal. They never explained anything about mana/stamina in this show. Everything you're saying are assumptions based on your gaming experience, and hereby are what I considered lame excuses in my previous post. Also, I never asked them to play the role of tanks, I only pointed out that "there exist games in which healers can also act as tanks", but my point there is that Mary's point ("I'm a priest and I won't fight") is a lame excuse, because there're other (more plausible) ways of managing that situation (such as having 2 healers in the party). EasyGo-er said: The people in this world is totally oblivious to the concept of a game, health points or mana points. Danmachi also did this but of course no one is complaining since there's no death in that anime. Do you know what "Deus Ex Machina" means? By using "Deus Ex Machina" from the very first episode, Danmachi gave up on representing a realistic world and decided to follow an actiony plot. They used some RPG elements here and there, but that show summarizes to a simple "Deus Ex Machina". Hai to Gensou no Grimgar, on the other hand, tries to go on the opposite way and gives explanations on things such as the death of a main character, but they use pretty lame excuses ("enemies aim for priests" and "priests shouldn't fight at all") instead of accepting simple facts ("the priest was [somewhat] left behind, and his death was a fatal event caused by negligence/lack of experience of the team"). In such a world, they could even go for clever solutions, like having 2+ healers and have them heal each other when such events occur. But no, they decided to keep going with the lame excuses ("priests don't fight in the frontlines") in order to have the plot work well with Mary, the bitchy character who doesn't take risks due to her "role". |
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