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| more total shit, what a surprise. |
InsertanamehereJan 12, 2016 7:18 AM
| expect every episode someone will die, "Muv Luv Alternate" logic |
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| pretty disappointed but will continue watching a bit to give it a chance. 15 year olds operating high performance military hardware is a bit hard to look past. |
Grunkalunka said: pretty disappointed but will continue watching a bit to give it a chance. 15 year olds operating high performance military hardware is a bit hard to look past. They have no alternative to that.Humans are going extinct faster than they grow up. Pilots and overall soldiers have extremely low life expectancy. To add to that, not every person is compatible with being a pilot. Thus using child soldiers, especially in terms of piloting, etc is common in this setting. |
AhenshihaelJan 12, 2016 10:07 AM
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| Do I need to have watched muv-luv alternative :eclipse to watch this? |
| Not a bad start to the series, though I've always been confused with all the alternate timelines in this title. And they were totally blatant at teasing a certain character in the post-credits there. |
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ANGRY2011 said: Well, it is a start. I'm not familiar with the story of this spinoff, so maybe it will be pretty decent - Total Eclipse left me feeling like I wasn't sure what exactly they decided they wanted to make when it was all said and done, and it certainly didn't give me the joy that Muv Luv should have. Here's to hoping that this one will deliver better. As for everyone who hasn't read Muv Luv and Alternative: I would really prompt you to do so, and not watch the spin off animes beforehand. I know people probably won't, simply because they don't want to read a VN or invest any time/effort into their entertainment, but you're missing out. BGMaxie said: So umm seems you seem to be the most experienced of all people here regarding Muv Luv, can I ask: 1) What is or are the main series about. 2) What's the idea or differences between Total Eclipse and Alternative. 3) Where is THIS series placed at. 4) If possible a brief description of each. Onegaishimasu. I'm not Fai, and I'm guessing he's more knowledgeable than me, but I've read Muv Luv and Alternative as well as watched Total Eclipse, so I can give you my trimmed-from-spoilers version, if you wanted. Fai said: BGMaxie said: 1) What is or are the main series about. War, bonds between people, cruelty of life, awfulness of human nature, value of love and the price of making sacrifices. The main series consist of two games, Muv Luv and Muv Luv Alternative. The first game is separated into two parts Extra and Unlimited - Extra deals with the main characters life and interactions before he gets fully involved in the conflict, while Unlimited deals with the actual war. To say more would be spoiler. 2) What's the idea or differences between Total Eclipse and Alternative. Total Eclipse is spin off visual novel that follows different cast during the events of Alternative. The anime version is non-canon fuck up while the visual novel is at least partially canon. It is known to be way lighter and fanservicey than the main franchise and is believed to be the worst part of muv luv franchise. 3) Where is THIS series placed at. Its a prequel to the events depicted in Alternative, set in 1983, less than a decade after the BETA invasion started. It depicts a series of events that sets in motion certain event in Total Eclipse visual novel. 4) If possible a brief description of each. Muv Luv is set in after 2000 and focuses on a normal highschool boy who wakes up one morning only to find out a beautiful girl right next to him. The mystery that transpires slowly draws him into a war that has lasted decades already. Muv Luv Alternative is a sequel to that covers the last years of the war and the sacrifices to be made for betterment of humanity. So to sum it up. There is Muv-Luv and then Unlimited that first deal with highschool setting and somehow the other is parallel in which they fight "something". Then there is the Alternative line that composes Schwarzenmarken, Alternative and then Total Eclipse in THAT chronological order, that deals with the BETA invasion. So basically most of this VN deals with war and a lot of conflict. That it? And apart from that the adaptation of Alternative is it? Is on popular belief to be awful to watch, but is it needed to watch it? Did I nail this right? |
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WhipItGood said: Do I need to have watched muv-luv alternative :eclipse to watch this? Judging from the 1st episode, I say you don't need to watch muv-luv. Also, all the characters are new But I still recommend watching muv-luv because it is good |
| apocalipseee goreee boobs are real globes in that uniform I can smell some romanticism here and there........ |
| This looks good but how gory is it? I'm ok with blood and corpses....not so okay with seeing guts and other internal organs. lol |
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WhipItGood said: Do I need to have watched muv-luv alternative :eclipse to watch this? Not at all. Most people would also say you probably shouldn't, because it's not particularly good. Whether this will turn out better than Total Eclipse remains to be seen. I really hope it'll be a good series, but the first episode is best described as "meh" to me. I can easily see this turning into a train wreck, but the visual novel and light novel seem to be have good ratings so perhaps it will become more engaing. That being said, only 20ish have read them so these ratings aren't exactly reliable by any stretch of the imagination. It's just an indication that this could actually be a good story. Chiibi said: This looks good but how gory is it? I'm ok with blood and corpses....not so okay with seeing guts and other internal organs. lol The visual novel seems to be much more graphic, so I believe if you can handle something as brutal as this, you should be able to handle the series without much trouble. They'll most likely censor the natiest stuff, so I don't think it'll get worse than the picture below. There are no "guts" in it, but it's as brutal as it gets imo. This does spoil one of the scenes in the first episode, so it's up to you whether you care about it. I don't think it's a big deal, but I think it's a fair warning. Here's the screenshot, which is obviously nsfw: |
FlamepriesTJan 12, 2016 2:30 PM
FlamepriesT said: WhipItGood said: Do I need to have watched muv-luv alternative :eclipse to watch this? Not at all. Most people would also say you probably shouldn't, because it's not particularly good. Whether this will turn out better than Total Eclipse remains to be seen. I really hope it'll be a good series, but the first episode is best described as "meh" to me. I can easily see this turning into a train wreck, but the visual novel and light novel seem to be have good ratings so perhaps it will become more engaing. That being said, only 20ish have read them so these ratings aren't exactly reliable by any stretch of the imagination. It's just an indication that this could actually be a good story. Chiibi said: This looks good but how gory is it? I'm ok with blood and corpses....not so okay with seeing guts and other internal organs. lol The visual novel seems to be much more graphic, so I believe if you can handle something as brutal as this, you should be able to handle the series without much trouble. They'll most likely censor the natiest stuff, so I don't think it'll get worse than the picture below. There are no "guts" in it, but it's as brutal as it gets imo. This does spoil one of the scenes in the first episode, so it's up to you whether you care about it. I don't think it's a big deal, but I think it's a fair warning. Here's the screenshot, which is obviously nsfw: That's not too bad. Okay. Domo arigatou Mr. Roboto :'D |
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BGMaxie said: Did I nail this right? Mostly? |
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ixarising said: SPOILER Neat. Didn't know that. I'd say the relation is completely unimportant, but cool. Also, spoilers. |
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| Katia looks like Misuzu. XD Hopefully she won't die. :/ |
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| BETA 0____0 I hope Theo gets along well with Katia. Even if she looks like his sister |
| I'm quite interested in this as a whole more so than I was in Total Eclipse from the get-go, altho I felt TE's slower start was a bit better. The cold war atmosphere, besides the BETA war is more interesting than one who's main purpose is to test a new TSF. Theodor doesn't seem to be a mechaphile like Yuuya, which is a + for me(tell me he isn't) and he prob had the best line this ep "Insane pilots need to stay off the battlefield." I don't care how good or genius that pilot is, if they can't control themselves, they're a threat to their comrades, as seen. |
| Oh yes this is much better than Total Eclipse although I'm having a hard time liking the main guy ! |
Bibimbapski said: Kazuboredlife said: can i watch this without watching muv-luv ? Same question. Should I watch Muv-Luv and Total Eclipse first before watching Schwarzesmarken? I can pretty much catch the drift of the story but it's not really reeling me in as of yet. @this question and all like it. There is no Muv-Luv anime. Total Eclipse was the only MLA side story adaptation released prior to Schwarzesmarken. Seeing TE is optional - though there are some things that TE explains that Schwarzesmarken doesn't. Reading the source VN's is more comprehensive and informative. Again, both are optional. I personally don't think TE was as bad as some are proclaiming in this thread. Could it have been better? Yes. It's your call. |
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| A very eventful first episode! Might turn out being just another mecha-drama anime, but we'll just have to wait & see! |
| the eyelashes are bugging me |
| My Guitar Covers: Playlist I CAN ALWAYS SHOW MY EVERYTHING TO YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUU |
| realy good start tho, 1983 with mechas and automatic door, why not? |
HiirodaJan 13, 2016 1:49 AM
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soluuloi said: ...And what's with Katia? I know she's supposed to be UN pilot but god, she's dumb...or she's actually smart and is the spy of UN? ... I think she is dumb. She looks like exactly like a typical dumb/annoying character. |
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BGMaxie said: And apart from that the adaptation of Alternative is it? there's no such thing |
Insertanamehere said: BGMaxie said: And apart from that the adaptation of Alternative is it? there's no such thing tLDR: THERE'S no adaptation at all. Total Eclipse anime is a botched "thing" with most of content removed that does not even cover everything 52 episode Muv Luv Extra/Unlimited adaptation by Sunrise when? |
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| Looks like this show will be depressing as hell. Plus, such amount of pretty girls I'm sure it will include fanservice as well. I don't actually care but I hope they focus on battles and plot development rather than other things. This... Katia girl seems really persistent though. I don't think she has a realistic view on what's going on around her. Deserved bitch slap. Her attitude seems annoying although that may be because she's innocent in spirit. We'll see how she wakes up later on. Main guy Theodor seems to have lots of personality problems but he seems cool. He looks a whole lot like Lindo from Dance with Devils for some reason... Anyway, I like him. If they can make him grow up as a person and companion later if would be fucking great. Also voiced by Suzumura Kenichi so that's one huge extra point. Art is nothing special but does good at battling scenes. Also, the german and war setting seems really interesting, as well action shots. Anyway it was a good start. It began directly with violence and deaths from the beginning so that managed to convince me enough to keep watching and interested. |
HeiizeJan 13, 2016 6:18 AM
| I really liked the first episode but couldn't keep up with all the characters names lol so many |
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Seiya0890 said: soluuloi said: ...And what's with Katia? I know she's supposed to be UN pilot but god, she's dumb...or she's actually smart and is the spy of UN? ... I think she is dumb. She looks like exactly like a typical dumb/annoying character. She's not dumb. She's 15, bro. "Insane pilots need to stay off the battlefield." I laughed at that. Theodor seems like one of those guys who is easily annoyed and everything pisses him off and those can be pretty fun characters. |
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| This one already darker at start. Musics and battle scenes are awesome though. |
| Pretty good episode, a bit melodramatic though. |
Chiibi said: Seiya0890 said: I think she is dumb. She looks like exactly like a typical dumb/annoying character. She's not dumb. She's 15, bro. "Insane pilots need to stay off the battlefield." I laughed at that. Theodor seems like one of those guys who is easily annoyed and everything pisses him off and those can be pretty fun characters. Lol, age has barely anything to do in anime. You think it's normal to send a little girl at the battlefield ? In anime, characters are usually created according to their settings (you probably have heard the word "sette" many times in animes). The age does influence it, but is not that relevant. Here Katia experienced death situation, killed alive creatures, this should be more important to forge the personality. |
Seiya0890Jan 14, 2016 12:23 AM
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| Dark atmosphere right from the start. Also those history related stuff sounds really convincing. |
FlamepriesT said: WhipItGood said: Do I need to have watched muv-luv alternative :eclipse to watch this? Not at all. Most people would also say you probably shouldn't, because it's not particularly good. Whether this will turn out better than Total Eclipse remains to be seen. I really hope it'll be a good series, but the first episode is best described as "meh" to me. I can easily see this turning into a train wreck, but the visual novel and light novel seem to be have good ratings so perhaps it will become more engaing. That being said, only 20ish have read them so these ratings aren't exactly reliable by any stretch of the imagination. It's just an indication that this could actually be a good story. Chiibi said: This looks good but how gory is it? I'm ok with blood and corpses....not so okay with seeing guts and other internal organs. lol The visual novel seems to be much more graphic, so I believe if you can handle something as brutal as this, you should be able to handle the series without much trouble. They'll most likely censor the natiest stuff, so I don't think it'll get worse than the picture below. There are no "guts" in it, but it's as brutal as it gets imo. This does spoil one of the scenes in the first episode, so it's up to you whether you care about it. I don't think it's a big deal, but I think it's a fair warning. Here's the screenshot, which is obviously nsfw: Damn...the anime censored the death scene too much. |
| Meh, the show is edgy enough. Any more gore and you can expect Terra Formars tier censorship. |
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ixarising said: karmenmeghan said: You don't know how thankful I am when I saw your comment ixarising. You're welcome. Thanks |
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| Total Eclipse had a really good first episode too... before it turned harem. I'm hoping this one sticks to the action. Great music too. |
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| This show takes itself too seriously for my liking |
Fai said: They have no alternative to that.Humans are going extinct faster than they grow up. Pilots and overall soldiers have extremely low life expectancy. To add to that, not every person is compatible with being a pilot. Thus using child soldiers, especially in terms of piloting, etc is common in this setting. Yea that reason gets used alot in animes. I get it. But it just doesn't sit well with me. It seems like a lazy reason and also just allows them to use children in order to get a larger/easier target audience (children). Not every person is compatible - really? who the hell engineered these machines in such a way that a % of the population can simply never use them due to an 'incompatibility' which good training cannot overcome. And there are plenty of adult soldiers around. I saw what looked like several thousand pointlessly die in the first episode. They can't spare 6 soldiers every now and then to train a squad? |
| Average start for the show but I'm sure it's only gonna get bloodier as we go. Looks like Lise is in Stasi from the looks of the epilogue while Irisdina and Beatrix are the main leads for fanservice if they choose to go the extreme. |
ShanaFlameJan 17, 2016 7:35 AM
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ixarising said: They didn't make the TSF to be compatible to certain %, they intended to make it compatible to all but not everyone has the amplitude to pilot the TSF, just like there are some people who can't ride roller coasters, planes etc. There are just people who can't get the required amplitude for that and are placed as infantries or other post instead. But mentally unstable 15 year old girls do have the "amplitude"? Riding a roller coast or in an aircraft is a terrible comparison: those are passive activities where you have no input at all. In the military, people are selected for advanced training. And yet somehow it's just a bunch of kids that manage to meet selection criteria to operate these machines. I'm fairly sure you could find more suitable candidates within a standing military force that will have the "amplitude" to operate these machines. Especially one that has been at constant war for quite some time. I get what you're saying though. It is understandable that the equipment would have a steep learning curve and due to time and resource constraints: only those who truly excel in what would be a huge variety of aptitudes would be selected to undergo training. My issue is that there is no way in hell kids would realistically even be considered for selection. Many other people who like this show clearly don't mind. Its my personal thoughts and feelings on the matter. I doubt there is any explanation you can give regarding this universe that would make me say "oooh okay, that makes sense - I can totally see why they would put children in charge of the world's most powerful weapons to head the fight against an impossible enemy where losing just a single battle could be such a significant strategic loss that it means total annihilation" Dab1za9 said: you realize the series is originally an Eroge targeted for +18 ? they sure are not targeting children lol No, I don't realise that. And I don't care. It's irrelevant what it was 'originally' targeted for. All I was saying is that by using all these irritating childish characters they appeal to a younger/less mature target audience. |
GrunkalunkaJan 17, 2016 9:07 AM
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